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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

iOS 4 on a Mac?

By | June 14, 2010, 5:40am PDT

Summary: Will we ever see Apple put the iPhone/iPad iOS 4 operating system onto a Mac system alongside Mac OS X? I think we might.

Will we ever see Apple put the iPhone/iPad iOS 4 operating system onto a Mac system alongside Mac OS X? I think we might.

I was thinking about this over the weekend as I took my iPad out for its first proper flight as a working tool without the backup of a notebook. It’s taken me a while to get the iPad set up as a proper functioning tool that’s capable of doing more than allowing me to consume content. Through the careful and thought out application of apps and a few cloud services, I’m now in a position to use my iPad to keep up with the tech world, and do my job while on the move.

But in setting up the iPad (and before that, the iPhone), I’ve become increasingly aware of the gulf between fully-fledged OSes like Windows, Mac and Linux, and more bespoke, cut-down OSes like the iPhone OS, Android and Windows Mobile. While you can achieve varying degrees on integration between large and small, it’s hardly a smooth, seamless meshing.

Which got me thinking …

Acer will shortly release a netbook featuring a Windows/Android dual boot, the idea being that if you want quick access to email. browse the web or fire off a tweet you boot into Android, and if you want to do heavier lifting, you boot into Windows. It makes sense. This sort of technology, combining Windows with a lightweight Linux distro isn’t new. There’s no real integration between the two operating systems other than existing side by side on the same machine though, this is a let down.

Pre iPad, it made little sense for Apple to even think of putting the iPhone OS on the Mac, since the apps were specifically designed for a small screen. But with the iPad, Apple is now building quite a repository of apps designed for a far bigger screen. It’s not hard to imagine apps designed for the iPad such as iWorks or Documents to Go working on a MacBook, MacBook Pro or MacBook Air. Rather than being driven by a touchscreen, the OS would simply take commands via the keyboard and trackpad.

The iOS could be a dual boot OS on a Mac, but what would really integrate the iOS with Mac OS would be if iOS were also accessible via Mac OS. This leads to all sorts of possibilities.

Think this is far fetched? Maybe, but wasn’t the idea that Apple would make it possible for users to install Windows on their Macs also once far-fetched?

It makes a lot of sense too. Apple’s goal is to make iOS a credible platform. This means getting third party developers to create high quality apps for it, while encouraging as many users to actually use the OS and buy apps. Also, remember that Apple makes 30% from the sale of every app for the iPhone and iPad, a money-making trick which it can’t pull off with apps for Mac OS. Also, apps for the iPhone and iPad are usually cheaper than Mac applications, and the digital distribution framework is already in place.

I also doubt that it would cannibalize iPhone and iPad sales either, the addition of iOS on a Mac would be a value add to an existing platform, rather than a replacement for an iPhone or iPad.

Makes a lot of sense to me. What about you?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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iOS 4 on a Mac?
luiz.siqueira.neto 23rd Feb 2011
I think that it is the future, iOS will replace Mac OS X in a near future, this is a intuitive step. The true is that people do not like to manage windows and applications files. I believe that iOS is the best system in the market.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Dwayne Chapman Updated - 14th Jun 2010
Most of the stuff done on an iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch while hooked up to a Mac is with iTunes. iTunes is a piece of software no other OS maker has come close to duplicating so although it may make some sense for others to integrate their full OS with their mobile OS it doesn't make sense in the case of OS X and iOS. Also let me commend you on your lack of the use of your space bar. Seriously get that fixed man.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Jimster480 14th Jun 2010
@Dwayne Chapman Well considering that iTunes is a horrible application. I think you are right in saying that nobody else has been able to come close to making such a terrible application.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Rama.NET 14th Jun 2010
@Dwayne Chapman
Even though HTC crippled the Windows Mobile side, HTC Shift was one of the rarest device that had this capability. I am one of the long standing user of HTC Shift successfully. I take it with me wherever I go. So handy and so useful. Of course I had to liberate the Windows mobile side and burn the custom ROM from xda-developers though.
--Ram--
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
sechoinard 14th Jun 2010
Well they already do with the iPhone simulator in Xcode. Since iPhone, iPad and the Mac all run OSX already, I think it is far more likely that they will just unify their offering/experience amongst the devices. I.E., they'll bring the Mac back into the fold and the Appstore. You know, really make that Mac into the ultimate consumer machine.
@sechoinard
That would be an epic FAIL of biblical proportions. As it is, iOS is limited severely in so far as what it can do and what you're allowed to do.

Heck, OSX is already hamstrung enough as it is. The LAST thing Apple needs to do is do something as daft as limiting their desktops, laptops and workstations to iOS.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
John Zern 14th Jun 2010
iTunes is a piece of software no other OS maker has come close to duplicating

With all the issues people have with it, it sounds like Apple hasn't come close to perfecting itunes themselves, so I can see others going a differnt direction. happy
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iTunes is Great, Personally
Ktroje 15th Jun 2010
@John Zern

I've never seen a music application parallel to iTunes. I don't know what kind of problems people have with iTunes, I know there's very few complaints to me.

My one (1) complaint is that iTunes is still Carbon in a Cocoa environment. It can only address 3GB of RAM, and is terrible at memory management. I want it to be 64-bit already? at times, when I'm using it quickly and need to switch panes, I feel like I'm using iTunes through a block of molasses; I click, and it does't respond until a few seconds later. The perfect analogy for it is using Windows.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
imabanana 14th Jun 2010
I have to ask: Was this article written on an iPad? Why are so many words run together? e.g. Willweever, forits, nowin, seamlessmeshing, thinkofputting...
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(nt)
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
rtk 14th Jun 2010
@imabanana IThinkhisiPadhasissueswithit'sspacebar.
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I think I see one problem
donniebnyc666 Updated - 14th Jun 2010
with working on an iPad.

"Willweever, forits, nowin, seamlessmeshing, thinkofputting, credibleplatform, cantpull offwith, Ialso."

Notsurewhatitis.
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No Storage on iOS
s_souche 14th Jun 2010
Apps only have exclusive access to thei own local storage. No way to sahe data, no way to acess shared data. No way to access to the main system HDD. And apple won't give that away as it is the central point of iOS, and of the app store.
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The API's to do file sharing are there,
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 14th Jun 2010
@s_souche... developers just need to use them if they want that kind of capability. You are just not going to access the complete file structure of the device.

And there is really only a few legitimate reasons where having the capability to drill down into the file structure would be desirable, however, I have yet run into a reason why it would absolutely needed. If it is merely desire to use files between applications, in the same way you may attach elements of a file into another type of file, say a graph from a spreadsheet into a slide show presentation, All it would take there then is for Apple to create a public data store in the file structure, much the same way when you take pictures or screen shots, you can download them

By the way iOS devices do not have HDD (Hard Disk Drive), it is flash memory.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Jimster480 14th Jun 2010
@s_souche True that. The reason they can load WinCE or Android onto bigger devices is because its an actual OS with actual features. iOS is nothing. It has no local storage, no multitasking, no nothing. It can never function as anything other than a game playing / quick lookup OS on a portable device. And considering it doesn't have great games. Its not great with that either.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
s_souche 14th Jun 2010
@Jimster480
iOS has had multithreading with complex synchronization mechanism from the start. It does not non native muti tasking, i-e an app cannot run in the background, that's all. This is strictly linked toarchitectural choices, like the absence of virtual memory ( at the process level )
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Think Again
ctunk 14th Jun 2010
"Through the careful and thought out application of apps and a few cloud services, I?m nowin a position to use my iPad to keep up with the tech world, and do my job"

Not only are your typos rampant, the first sentence makes ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE!!!

Stick with a laptop if this is a result of you doing your job on an iPad. You are doing it horribly on this device. Maybe it is the lack of a robust spell checker or grammar checking bolt on. Maybe it is the fact that the input touch device is far inferior to an external keypad.

Ironically, your entire article makes gives all of a vivid illustration why we would never rely on Andriod, iPad, etc for daily computing. If this was your intent then kudos..and BRILLIANT. For all the talk about the "smart phone" market and which is better...they all are completely inferior to you Windows 7, XP, OSX, or Linux OS so I guess the argument is really about which is the best of the worse in these infant stages. I will stick to the Macbook for now! I suggest after reading this you do the same or you may find youself in the unemployment line soon. Afterall, your job is to write, not to write on an iPad!!
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
ctunk 14th Jun 2010
@ctunk
Will we ever....WOW. I admit it was a long weekend but I had no idea "willweever" was will we ever!!!!

LOL LOL. Did you even read your work man? You are supposed to be a journalist/author. There is simply NO WAY you did not see all of these typos.

So my questions are:

Are you too lazy to fix them?
Why would you leave them in the article on purpose?
Are you really that dumb and lazy to have not even caught the errors?

Any light on these questions would be appreciated.
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We seeing that most of your post is just
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh Updated - 14th Jun 2010
@ctunk... an ad hominem fallacious argument. Then you go on to berate him on some grammatical errors, when your last paragraph fails in semantics and syntax. "Inferior to you Windows 7, XP, OSX, or Linux OS so I guess the argument" As you can see you have changed thought mid-sentence and failed to use appropriate punctuation.

Point being is don't be such a grammar Nazi, as we all fail in that at times, even I do as well.
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Grammar Nazi
levinson 14th Jun 2010
@JM1981: mind you, ctunk isn't a paid journalist. And he does have a point, especially about Adrian not proofreading his own work before posting.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
ctunk 14th Jun 2010
@JM1981
It is a fallacious argument to point out that an author that makes a living posting online articles be able to spell words withoutextremelylongrunonsthatmakeitreallyhardtoread!!!

As far as my grammar, I am not being paid and therefore did not read my post nor will I read this one. However, if I am about to send an email to my boss I will certainly check my spelling and sentences. I guess he has the same attitude that you have just so eloquently displayed. Who cares about spelling and grammar when you an AUTHOR?!?!?! I sure as hell would have read my own work if I were posing articles, especially those regarding the tech sector on ZDNET!!! But it would appear that people like you really do exist and I am sure this author simply takes on a very similar attitude. I simply will not read any more of his articles if I have to try and figure out "willweever" and the horrible way the author writes, especially on an iPad. If you can't read your work as an author I do not want to read your work. You can have an opinion but respect other people's views that this seemed blatanty lazy and ridiculous as numerous people have pointed out. It was blatantly bad! But it can be because enough people like you think it is ok.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
ctunk 14th Jun 2010
@JM1981
It was such a false arguement that they changed the article.

Good point JM1981. Keep it real and keep it dumb man.

As a matter of fact keep it real dumb. You are well on the way.

LOL!!
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If OSX is on the way out, as I've seen rumored, then count me out.

As I've said elsewhere, I *need* the OSX ability to download and run software from a variety of sources, not just AAPL.

No walled garden. Period.

For example, I need the ability to develop, test, and maintain websites for a variety of browsers.

If this is AAPL's future, then we will be out.
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Define yourself.
UrbanBard 14th Jun 2010
What is a Mac? Or Mac OSX or iOS4? Unless you define what you mean, you run the risk of confusing yourself more than you already are.

iOS4 is a form of Mac OSX designed for touch screens and the limited RAM processor chips on the iPhone platform. This means that much of Mac OSX is intentionally left out of iOS4.

Is it reasonable for Apple to produce larger forms of the iPad? I don't know, but it seems unlikely. The form factors are against it. Moving your hand across a tablet in your lap doesn't require much energy, but doing so on an upright 21 or 27 inch screen does. That is because you must lift your arm horizontally to use it.

Let's consider a trend which pushes in a different direction: technology. Moore's law suggests that the number of transistors will double every 18 to 24 months. This usually means that the cost of manufacturing a chip, such as Apple's A4 processor, will be cut in half, next year.

Apple tends not to drop prices, so it more likely to increase capabilities with a RAM Cortex A9 dual core processor at the same cost. How will this affect iOS4?

It seems likely that, as the iPad's processor chip gets faster and more capable, then increasing amounts of Mac OSX can be reintroduced into iOS4. Hence, I believe that you are looking at this ass backwards. The iPhone / iPad platform will increasingly take on more of the Mac's abilities without losing the touch screen technologies.
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Personally
Cylon Centurion 14th Jun 2010
I think the iMacs days are numbered in favor of the mobile crap Apple has going on now. They're selling more of that then they are Mac Books it seems.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
DeusExMachina 14th Jun 2010
@NStalnecker
No one cares what you think. Certainly not the market. Hint: just because mobile device sales grew MORE does not mean that mac sales did not GROW.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
rtk 14th Jun 2010
@DeusExMachina You speak for no one but yourself.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
DeusExMachina 15th Jun 2010
@RTK
I have received numerous comments to the contrary.
So, per se, you are wrong. More to the point, are you disputing my claims vis-a-vis the market? 'Cause I would love to prove you wrong, yet again.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
rtk 15th Jun 2010
@DeusExMachina Sorry Deus, I'm not wrong, you speak only for yourself. Any comment you think you've heard that gives you the power to speak for others, was misplaced.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
DeusExMachina Updated - 16th Jun 2010
@rtk
Oh really? So you have read my e-mail? Somehow I think not.

And you have yet to address the main point. Not surprising, since you are wrong.
Troll.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
rtk 16th Jun 2010
@DeusExMachina Here's what you said to NStalnecker: "No one cares what you think". That is impossible for you to know. If one person cares, that proves you were wrong.

You can claim that you don't care, or that no one should care, but you only speak for yourself.

Here's another example: "Everyone knows DeusExMachina is an absolute moron". Not everyone knows, many do, but not everyone.

In other words, speak for yourself.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
DeusExMachina 19th Jun 2010
@rtk
Take your on advice. This thread had nothing to do with you.
More to the point, I notice that you have no argument re:the actual market data, and the fact that NStalnecker, as usual, is making things up. I.e. his "opinion" is wrong, as shown by numerous market studies.
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I am almost positive...
alcaponelives 14th Jun 2010
... this was a purposefully crafted story designed by its author to see how many people corrected him on his runonword! it's an app, which counts the number of replies to the lesser picture. haha
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Dan Robinson 14th Jun 2010
I think it would be easy to have a Mac application like Parallels that would run iPod/iPad apps since iOS is a flavor of OS X.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
jeff.edsell@... 14th Jun 2010
I could see it as a replacement for Front Row. There has been some speculation to this effect, that iOS might become the new AppleTV OS.http://is.gd/cOXNH
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Makes sense?
techconc 14th Jun 2010
The premise of this article is absurd. Adrian seems to believe that it makes sense to have two operating systems - one (Android) for every day use and one (Windows 7) for "heavy lifting".

Windows 7 is to heavy and bloated for devices that even consider Android or iOS. Bolt on touch interfaces to existing software programs aren't exactly competitive with dedicated OS / software combinations that do it better.

As for adding iOS to Mac OS X, why? Lightweight stuff is handled through dashboard. Having lots of apps that aren't designed for your OS / hardware isn't exactly ideal either.
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Replace widgets with iOS4
bws605 14th Jun 2010
instead of pressing F12 and getting Widgets to come up (basically very small apps) lets replace that with a one stroke means of bringing up iOS4 and all those apps. Another alternative would be to use virtualization so both run simultaneous.
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It's practically there already...
vulpine@... 14th Jun 2010
It wouldn't be that hard to turn Apple's 'Dashboard' (not Front Row) into a sub-OS platform using the iOS. Since both run on UNIX, though admittedly a more basic version in iOS, nearly all of the Dashboard widgets could be more easily and economically transported to the desktop, allowing, perhaps, almost seamless synchronization of data between the two platforms. This would let the Mac user prepare the iPad for independent use even better than relying on iTunes for integration and synchronization. iTunes could still be the primary path for iPad/iPhone apps, but now they could be used on both desktop and mobile devices almost seamlessly.
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Forget the Haters!
stepheneasley@... 14th Jun 2010
Don't worry about the run on words criticism and tell us what apps and services are necessary to transform my iPad into a more effective business tool!
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Tombeck73 14th Jun 2010
I believe the iOS will get bigger and better, and one they there will be XCode for iOS and that will be the end of OS X. The Mac will be a consumer device, and you'll be able to develop software on it, for it, in iOS.
There's no reason why you couldn't develop sophisticated apps for the (future, more powerful) iPad/iMac.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
liamproven 14th Jun 2010
I don't think you really know what you're talking about.

"iOS 4" is just version 4 of OS X for the iPhone (and in time, iPod Touch & iPad.) OS X is OS X; this is just the ARM version, which is rather cut-down for the ARM devices' more limited hardware.

If you want to see the iPhone "platform" in its desktop/laptop incarnation, just play with Dashboard. Dashboard is the *Mac* OS X implementation of the iPhone UI.
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iOS should replace Dashboard
ssaha 15th Jun 2010
Dashboard widgets were a good idea that went nowhere. Having an iOS Dashboard that brings up your existing iPhone/iPad apps would give Macs added functionality.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
joshdcohen@... 15th Jun 2010
First, Macs don't need a quick start OS like Windows. My two year old Macbook boots in about 30 seconds from a cold start. And unlike Windows, it goes to sleep and wakes up again with no problem.

I don't see iOS replacing OS X from a interface and usability stand point either. Apple is very aware that different form and portability factors have different needs.

However, I do foresee a merging of technologies such as maybe a touch-driven MacBook. I bought my mother...an experienced Mac user...an iPad for Mother's Day and she said when working on the Mac she is starting to instinctively touch the screen to navigate. I can also see the AppStore finding its way to the Mac.
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RE: iOS 4 on a Mac?
Marcos El Malo 15th Jun 2010
Touch Screen Interface?
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iOS 4 on a Mac?
luiz.siqueira.neto 23rd Feb 2011
I think that it is the future, iOS will replace Mac OS X in a near future, this is a intuitive step. The true is that people do not like to manage windows and applications files. I believe that iOS is the best system in the market.

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