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Linux Foundation chief says battle with Microsoft over ... and that Linux is victorious!

By | April 6, 2011, 8:40am PDT

Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin claims that the war with Microsoft is over, and that while Linux is ready to admit defeat in the desktop market, it has managed to outpace Microsoft in the server and mobile sectors.

“I think we just don’t care that much [about Microsoft] anymore,” Zemlin said. “They used to be our big rival, but now it’s kind of like kicking a puppy.”

“I think that on the 20th anniversary, it’s worth reflecting back on where we came from,” Zemlin said in an interview with Network World. Linux had a “humble start as a project for a college student in Helsinki, to something today that runs 70% of global equity trading, something that powers, really, the majority of Internet traffic, whether it’s Facebook, Google or Amazon.”

Zemlin went on to say that “Linux has come to dominate almost every category of computing, with the exception of the desktop … The good news is the traditional PC desktop is becoming less important, and areas where Linux is very strong in terms of client computing are becoming more important.”

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Microsoft vs. Linux ... who was victorious?

Is the desktop still king, or are the server and mobile markets more important in the grand scheme of tech nowadays?

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RE: Linux Foundation chief says battle with Microsoft over ... and that Linux is victorious!
garegin 6th Dec
it sucks on desktop, because the desktop is not a close platform. to make it work you have to follow standards. i have a simple new years resolution for canonical. on every release, let them test the distro on every intel mac and make sure that it works. so that the freaking framebuffer is not broken on a mac mini. instead the distros ship pre-alpha-grade broken products without a trace of remorse.
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Not even worth commenting really...
happyharry_z 6th Apr 2011
Sent From My Windows Desktop
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re:Not even worth commenting really...
Return_of_the_jedi Updated - 6th Apr 2011
@happyharry_z

And posted on a Linux Server.

PS. Case in point.
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which is frought with issues
Will Farrell 6th Apr 2011
@Return_of_the_jedi

Case in point.
@Return_of_the_jedi - that email server recently hacked -- did it run Linux?
that email server recently hacked -- did it run Linux?

You mean the one that had Outlook Exchange on the front end?
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Linux "WON" the server space????
xuniL_z Updated - 6th Apr 2011
That was a Unix monopoly, so to speak, as well as most businesses and Windows server has cut into that like a hot knife on butter.
Most Unix installs, or Unix/netware combos in the majority of businesses are long extinct and are happily on Windows Server domains.
The backbone of the internet is still *x, sure Linux is going to be the logical and easiest path forward for all of that passive processing.
That's the key, if there were any complexity or business needs involved, that would be Windows too.

So yes, Linux is fine for passive devices. YEAH!!
Linux Won and MS is like a puppy they are tired of kicking. LOL!!
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Desktop Linux is a piece of garbage. Server Linux is fine, but fewer people pay for it than for Windows Server. Did Linux win? I don't think so. Will it ever win? Well, unless some for profit company gets behind it, it seems that it won't win anything except the award for having the most ridiculous marketshare on the desktop after 15 years or so.

Sent from Internet Explorer 9
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@Will Troll

ZDNet is overrun with MS trolls and shills;
otherwise it works just fine.

Your assertion that it is "frought (sic) with issues" doesn't make it so. However it would seem that your MS spelling checker has some issues of its own.
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Passive devices you mean...
cosuna Updated - 8th Apr 2011
@xuniL_z :

So yes, Linux is fine for passive devices. YEAH!!

If by passive you mean the Blue Gene/L and the Tianhe-1, both of which are used for climate prediction, advance material research and economic forecast.

Ahh, you mean business critical enterprise applications. Created on Windows? Nahh. Those are still on IBM Midrange (AS/400), on Unix clusters (AIX or HP-UX) or, yep Linux (SAP, PeopleSoft, etc).

So if you mean simple reduced usage server apps for middle management, yep, those are .NET and classic ASP, running on Windows.

BTW. C level executives are using iPads and could care less what the other levels use on their desktops.
Nobody Won

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Cosuna...
xuniL_z 11th Apr 2011
You mean the unix/linux servers that are hacked regularly, like the VA or the defense department losing 20 years of a super secret, super modern aircraft to hackers who go beyond planting malware but outright walk away with top secret data.

Windows Server and client drives the worlds economy. It's the business apps and client tools that drive the people that create and keep the world moving foward.
Meanwhile Unix and Linux are serving files and acting as web servers that just let the malware and viruses right on through....free pass on to the end users.
That's the way to do it...put the nation's security on the shoulders of the end users...that's smart.
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LTV10 Updated - 14th Apr 2011
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Windows = Hacked = FAIL
itguy08 6th Apr 2011
@HypnoToad72

Most likely it was a Windows box that was hacked.
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Maybe and then Maybe Not
bobiroc 6th Apr 2011
@itguy08

I have not heard what they are running so you can assume all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the hackers got passed any firewalls or other security they had in place before the server. That is where the real failure happened.

Anyone know of a firewall that runs with Windows aside from the one built into the OS? Anyone? No? Didn't think so.
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Epsilon? they run on IIS
John Zern 6th Apr 2011
@itguy08
but on Citrix Netscaler.

But to tell the truth, we've read here so many times of Linux mail servers being hacked, but you never come around for those, just the MS ones.

I take it you're embarassed, or too afraid to defend Linux on those days?

Just curious.
@itguy08 When I first started at my comapany I am at, I found out that they had linux for their web server.

My job was handling the new website, so I handed the IT person in charge a list of over 250 things I needed it to do...ie, Be abe to access from anywhere in the world, make graphical changes live using drag and drop, open transaction that any interface can understand, have 20 people at once accessing and making changes at the same time to various directories, being able to access without the use of VPN...etc.

His response, the server can't do most of this, I said Microsoft can, he responded Microsoft is less secure, I said of course, your server doesn't do anything so it would be....heck a turned off server is really secure....lol

So the moral of the story, do not compare a grape to a watermelon!
@itguy08 Actually much like the majority of desktops are Windows ergo the majority of desktops hacked are - I think Linux has point on the number of exploited servers. You would be - or perhaps not - surprised at how many Linux admins thinks that Linux means they don't have to worry about security.
@John Zern
"But to tell the truth, we've read here so many times of Linux mail servers being hacked, but you never come around for those, just the MS ones."

Nah, you don't. Just the same old one that happened at Microsoft, in the same old boring way retold over and over. Linux bigot says MS Mail Server faild. MS bigot says it was Linux. Linux bigot says it's cause MS don't know how to do Linux. Nobody else really cares, but MS is still using Linux servers for certain things because they just work.

For work, use what works. For personal use, use what you like. For forums, use excessive punctuation!!!!!!!
only for servers that are passive in nature.

When any complexity is needed, like on their intranet, they use Windows Server, IIS and .NET every time internally.
Linux is good for passive processing.
Windows is good for secured but highly productive client and server apps, esp. where custom programming is needed because it's a hell of lot easier and quicker to build highly scalable and complex solutions on Windows. Many times it can be done out of the box with no code.
MS software is geared to mold to your business goals and strategies where Linux is geared to just good old fashioned passive web or file serving.
@happyharry_z I think Epsilon was using Exchange in at least some capacity. It has certain features that are condusive to doing mass mailings.

Here's the corporate site.
http://www.epsilon.com/Email_&_Digital_Solutions/p34-l1
@happyharry_z Sent from Linux Desktop! Stand up and be counted!
@happyharry_z

It's Foghorn Leghorn as Windows and Linux as the Little Henery the Chickenhawk.

Linux has always been a legend in its own mind. It's the l;ittle red train that kept saying "I think I can" while it slid backwards down the hill.

But keep saying you won, wishing might make it come true wink
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If it wasn't for Linux ....
kd5auq 7th Apr 2011
@happyharry_z
MS would be waaaaay behind OSX!
All three are about even today (except for idiocyncrasies)!
@happyharry_z

Read on my LINUX desktop happy

Mac OS is based on a BSD kernel .
BSD and LINUX are members of the UNIX-like family ;
One day something based on the LINUX kernel might
be more sucessful than iOS, MacOS or Windows ...
... ANDROID or WebOS rings a bell ?

http://pantestmb.blogspot.com/2011/03/hp-has-found-lost-soul-linux-kernel.html
@happyharry_z
Exactly... This is nothing more than a case of "to each their own". Some prefer MS, such as myself, and others prefer the other options.

And having worked in a data center I cannot forget that MANY systems are built, often symbiotically, to co-exist with [at least] Microsoft environments which puts neither ahead of the other but rather in a different position of influence and purpose.
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Real Purpose of the Poll.
xuniL_z Updated - 11th Apr 2011
It's a way for the blogger to get hits from a non-story that has no real bearing in reality but it shows zdnet marketing who their readers are too.

So this is why we get the ABM bloggers and why zdnet celebrates Linux and cannot find fault with it.

How clever. And it reinforces my own opinion that this site is just slashdot lite.
Your home for socialist tech news.
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Paging Loverock Davidson
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 6th Apr 2011
nt
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Come now Dietrich, even you have to admit
Will Farrell 6th Apr 2011
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
alot of people in the Linux world will say anything to sleep better at night.

Or to try and drum up more business happy
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re: admit
Badgered 6th Apr 2011
@Will Farrell even you have to admit

Um, good luck with that.....
@Will Farrell - LOL ouch.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
Loverock Davidson will not be invited to the celebration party. M$ might give him a consolation gift like some windoze bits to brag about.
@Linux Geek

5 - 6 people does not make a party.
@bobiroc
It does for Linux Geek, because that as close as he will ever get.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

That phrase is working great for Charlie Sheen, too... wink
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charlie
willyampz 6th Apr 2011
@John Zern
Charlie IS winning. When did you get to live and sleep with two goddesses. The rest of us happily settle for using linux!
What you say is what has been known for decades now, Linux users don't get any and most have never seen a vagina in real life. And if they did, you are right it woudl not be from great looking women but rather those with a "lunch lady" look, at best.
Thanks for not lumping windows users in that statement.
We are the world Linux people dream of where guys actually date great looking women or are married to one.
You chose geekdome and probably it wasn't really a choice but the best you could hope for. wink
Keep that box of tissues handy and your air pump, in other words, a linux users love life. wink
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LOOK EVERYONE!!@! HE MENTIONS ME!!@!!@!
Loverock Davidson 6th Apr 2011
Look at that, I'm being asked for by name. My popularity + 1.
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PrincessMilissa Updated - 7th Apr 2011
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate
I worked at many large companies, Windows is pre-dominant on the desktop. The server side is a different story. Any serious processing is either IBM or Unix. I personally witnessed where a Windows Server was replaced by a Unix box because of bad scalability... Windows servers are ok for a department, but try to run a data warehouse on one of those and soon you will regret it...
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Windows < Linux
shellcodes_coder 6th Apr 2011
Linux is free and open source; no matter how many copies of Windows, Microsoft is selling and will; people will continue to flock toward Mac and Linux because they are a much better platform than Windows. That means they will continue to lose customers. BTW am one of them though I still use Windows for application development and am not a fan boy plain
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disagree
RonanSail 6th Apr 2011
@shellcodes_coder I use Mac, Linux occasionally and Win7. I do not think Mac is better than Win7. They both have some stronger and some weaker points - I have managed to crash my Mac several times over the last year using VPN software. I have never managed to crash my Win7 PC. I am sure there are people with exactly the opposite story so I think it would be a very hard argument to win either way if you are any sort of rational technology professional.
@RonanSail - 100% agreed. Each person, needs, and experiences are different, but I learned the hard way that a Mac is not "better by default".
@RonanSail

"am sure there are people with exactly the opposite story so I think it would be a very hard argument to win either way if you are any sort of rational technology professional."

...Which so few of the commenters here are.
@shellcodes_coder
To linux yes .to Mac no. Linux is free and open source that's the main selling point. While Mac is actually neither.

Microsoft is pretty strong in the enterprise. and that's not going to change for a while.The world is big enough for both to coexsist.
@g@... Mac would be the worst option proprietary software and hardware!!
@g@...

Perhaps...but selling to whom?

Go to a Mac store and tell anyone who's about to walk out of the store with a Mac that they can opt to use a free-in-all-senses-of-the-word operating system instead of OSX, or any Best Buy and tell any laptop purchaser that they can do the same, and see which OS they're running the next day.

If you ever get a chance to work in sales at such a store, I encourage you to do so - you'll find yourself with a nice dose of reality that will bring you to the realization that PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE SOURCE CODE. Debate it all you want, but four years in retail will rid of you of any delusion to the contrary.

Joey
@g@...
I agree. But the interesting piece " free and open source that's the main selling point." 98% of people could careless about that. Geeks - yes up to a point.
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whatever you say
Will Farrell 6th Apr 2011
@shellcodes_coder
whatever you say happy
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Translation:
LTV10 6th Apr 2011
@shellcodes_coder you're not slavering enough like @Will Farrell is.

You've been missing too many Redmond church services.
it sucks on desktop, because the desktop is not a close platform. to make it work you have to follow standards. i have a simple new years resolution for canonical. on every release, let them test the distro on every intel mac and make sure that it works. so that the freaking framebuffer is not broken on a mac mini. instead the distros ship pre-alpha-grade broken products without a trace of remorse.

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