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Microsoft gets it right with Windows 8 on ARM, and why Apple should be worried

By | February 10, 2012, 5:05am PST

Summary: WOA looks like Windows, quacks like Windows, and is Windows. Microsoft has pulled off what it promised, and has taken its desktop OS and put it across multiple platforms and onto various screen sizes.

Yesterday Microsoft published a details piece over on the Building Windows 8 blog which looked at how the company took the x86 Windows that we know, and re-imagined it for the ARM architecture. Then, early this morning I got the opportunity to take a look at a pre-release version of the Windows on ARM (WOA) code running on a real machine, and I’m now more convinced than I’ve ever been that Microsoft has got it right.

Let’s start with the official blog post. This long and detailed post (we expect no less from the Building Windows 8 blog team), we get a lot of answers to questions that have been floating around for weeks. Specifically:

  • ‘Out of the box’ experience will look and feel just like Windows 8 on x86/x64 hardware.
  • The Windows desktop will still be available on WOA devices.
  • Tools such as the Windows File Explorer and Internet Explorer will be available.
  • PC makers will ship WOA devices at the same time as Windows 8 PCs ship.
  • WOA will include Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote.
  • WOA will not support any type of virtualization or emulation approach, and will not enable existing x86/64 applications to be ported or run because of the adverse effect this would have on battery life.
  • Microsoft is working to deliver WOA PCs that will combine three features: Thin and light in industrial design, long battery life, and integrated quality.
  • WOA PCs will be clearly labeled and branded so as to avoid customer confusion with Windows 8 on x86/64.
  • WOA will not be available as a software-only distribution.
  • A WOA PC/device will feel more like a consumer electronics device rather than a traditional PC.

This is all awesome stuff. But it gets better. This morning I got the chance to take a peek at WOA running on a device. It wasn’t hands-on exactly, and I wasn’t allowed to take screenshots or photos, but what I was shown was interesting. The OS is looking good, and there’s been a lot of changes since the developer preview. The touch UI has seen a lot of improvements and refinements.

I can also confirm that Microsoft Office 15 apps exist. They’re NOT like the desktop Office applications that you’re currently using, but more like hybrid apps. From what I saw (taking into account that this is unfinished code), the ARM versions of Office seem to offer all the features of their desktop counterparts. They’re highly customized for touch, but this I’ve been told won’t result in compromises. There won’t be a gulf between Office on WOA devices and x86/x64 PCs like there is say between iWork applications on a Mac, and their equivalent on iOS devices.

And this is why Apple should be worried. So far I’ve been concerned that WOA would offer a cut-down, Fisher Price soft of Windows experience. It would look at a bit like duck, quack something like a duck, but actually be more of a platypus than a duck, and that ultimately this would be its undoing. But now I realize that I was wrong. WOA looks like Windows, quacks like Windows, and is Windows. Microsoft has pulled off what it promised, and has taken its desktop OS and put it across multiple platforms and onto various screen sizes. This changes how we look at tablets.

Apple has maintained a gulf between the Mac OS and iOS on a number of fronts. While we’re seeing some unification (in many ways with the migration of iOS features into the Mac OS), you can’t argue that there’s still a big chasm between the two platforms. While ARM inevitably introduces a difference between it and x86/x64 simply because of the lack of legacy support, it’s a much smaller gap, both in terms of usability and functionality. While I think that the iPad 3 and iOS 5.1 will represent evolutionary change rather than a revolution, if WOA devices take off (still a big if in my opinion), The iPad 4 and iOS 6.x may have to spice things up a few more notches to counter the Windows effect.

I’m still concerned about the heavy Metro UI on the desktop, and still hope that there will be a way for users to disable this on non-touch devices, and I’m sort of surprised by Microsoft’s decision to kill the Start button, but as far as that Metro UI is concerned, Microsoft has created a consistent experience across X86/x64 and ARM.

It’s fair to say that I’m impressed. Very impressed.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Microsoft gets it right with Windows 8 on ARM, and why Apple should be worried
pjckmen 17th Feb
@Cylon Centurion hihi one likes playing games come on Y8
Friv
"Im still concerned about the heavy Metro UI on te desktop"

I'm not, and here's why: Windows right now relies more on "legacy" x86/64 applications, which means most users will be spending most of their time in the "Desktop Hub", than they will in the Metro environment.

Ask yourself this: How many times do you click on the 'Start Menu' throughout the day? Whatever your answer is, is how much you'll see Metro (not including starting up the PC). So, you don't even need to go there if you don't want to, simply unpin all the junk at just have your most used apps along with the desktop tile. But, according to WinUnLeaks, mouse/keyboard interaction is greatly improved.
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rhonin 10th Feb
@Cylon Centurion

There are better ways of getting where/what you need to run than the Start button......
@rhonin

Agreed, my most used apps are not launched from the Start button.
@Cylon Centurion people will get used to using the physical windows button just like using the home button on android devices. Its in almost all keyboards now so why have it take abit of your screen if you have it physically infront of you. If people keep on complaining well they could just make an option.. rightclick taskbar... show/hide start button simple..

Bigger problems in the world and the computing world than a button on the bottom left of your screen. Media just making a fuss out of nothing.
@rhonin
In fact the start button is worthless,the search bar is faster.
@soniclogic

"so why have it take abit of your screen if you have it physically infront of you."

simple - Windows always has multiple paths to the same option. SO for every GUI element you see there is likely a command line and/or powershell equivalent and likely a physical key or a hot key combination - BUT if you want to, you should be able to navigate using the pointer as well. This is just one of the things that makes Windows what it is.

So if you start hacking away chunks of the GUI, just because you don't feel a need for it to be there, what the hell are you supposed to do when your keyboard is not responding? We're not living in Apple toyland here. This is an operating system for people who USE their computers. You need options - Windows gives you options.
@SonicLogic
While I'm sure there will be a workaround, you don't consider that some of us cryps can't use a standard keyboard, mine does not have a "windows" key.
@rustek ...

Control + Esc = Windows Key
@Cylon Centurion whatever ipad is dead post win 8.
@augustus_rome

It's not going to be dead but WOA will take a chunk of the market and just in time to infiltrate the corporate world.
@augustus_rome spews: "ipad is dead post win 8"

Thanks for giving me my biggest laugh for the month of February.
@augustus_rome
hehe. I think that is is premature to predict that some iPad of the future is dead because of an unreleased OS running on tablets that haven't been built yet. Time and again we have heard stories of up and coming iPad killers from vendor after vendor. I still haven't seen one complete. God only knows what kind of hardware will be released and at what price points. Today, One Note runs pretty well on my iPad and I have heard rumors that MS is going to release an iPad version of Office. That would satisfy a lot of tablet users...
@augustus_rome
It won't be dead. Far from it because of the legion of ifanatics will ensure it survives. But that doesn't mean apple won't get hammered. The big IF is can windows devices sell well enough to take shares away from apple. If it does, then even if ifanatics props up apple sales, apple will inevitably take a hit. And the way the stock moves with big quarterly gains and revenue increases, it would only take 2 quarters of revenue dips to make the stock plummet. That is how wall street works whether people like it or not. If it does plummet, then you will see a desperation move to curb spending and that will be in support, quality and r&d.
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@augustus_rome
ask youself. in the entire computing ecosystem how many ipad users are there, really? it's in the 1-2% range. yeah, really. so, yeah, post win8 ipad is dead, not because the 1-2% will disappear or not grow, but because the win8 tab share will be so huge to make the ipad market appear utterly inconsequential.
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@Cylon Centurion If that's how you view then DON'T get Windows 8 on ARM, you NEED Windows 8 on x86_64.

This suggests that Microsoft have got Windows 8 on ARM wrong...

Personally, I don't rate Windows 8 on ARM, I can't see it addresses a real need. It doesn't offer any of the advantages of Windows, and Office running on it isn't well optimised for touch.

If I were thinking about Windows 8 I'd probably be looking at Lenovo's Yoga (or a traditional PC, and trying to ignore Metro as much as possible). Agree?
@jeremychappell

I might go for an WoA tablet regardless, depending on price, but the thing about WoA, is that it is a FULL, no compromise operating system, and not a watered down, mobile OS. This fact already gives it a leg up on iOS. Hey, look, I can finally haz proper multitasking!
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Pie in the sky
ScorpioBlue 10th Feb
I can also confirm that Microsoft Office 15 apps exist. They???re NOT like the desktop Office applications that you???re currently using, but more like hybrid apps. From what I saw (taking into account that this is unfinished code), the ARM versions of Office seem to offer all the features of their desktop counterparts. They???re highly customized for touch, but this I???ve been told won???t result in compromises. There won???t be a gulf between Office on WOA devices and x86/x64 PCs like there is say between iWork applications on a Mac, and their equivalent on iOS devices.

Pie in the sky. There will be compromises. Whenever anybody promises the moon, that's exactly what they get. The moon.
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@Cylon Centurion: Without the ability to run legacy applications, WoA is exactly what you say it isn't, a "watered down, mobile OS." Quite literally, it's stripped of almost everything that makes Windows, Windows.
@vulpine

Not really. Not if developers port their desktop apps to ARM. If Windows only apps move to ARM, that will be a game changing killer right there.
@vulpine@...
WoA WILL be FULL Windows...NOT watered down.
The only thing that is missing is the legacy support of OLD Desktop apps.
But here's the kicker ( the thing that will trump everything else ).....
ANYTHING applicataion that was created to run on the "legacy" desktop, could be re-written / recompiled to run on WoA via WinRT.
So NO, WoA will NOT be a watered down version of Windows. It is FULL Windows.
Its just that currently, there aren't any METRO ( WinRT ) styled apps that come from or based off of the legacy win32/64 counter-part.
I would imagine that every app that runs in win32/64 would be re-written to run on WoA ( if the developer/company) decided to.
Still, point is that WoA is still full blown Windows.
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ScorpioBlue Updated - 10th Feb
@Cylon Centurion: Without the ability to run legacy applications, WoA is exactly what you say it isn't, a "watered down, mobile OS." Quite literally, it's stripped of almost everything that makes Windows, Windows.

If they go that route, then you're right. If they go the full-blown desktop OS route, than expect a repeat of those hideous XP-like PC "tablets" (with the breakable swivel screens) that we've been seeing since 2002. I'd hardly call that revolutionary. lol...

The form factor and current battery technology still stand in the way.
@Cylon Centurion et al:
"Not if developers port their desktop apps to ARM."
"ANYTHING applicataion that was created to run on the "legacy" desktop, could be re-written / recompiled to run on WoA via WinRT."


The fact that they have to be recompiled to run on WinRT tells you that they're unable to run un-changed. WinRT is not the full desktop Windows, though just like WinMob (6.5 for instance?) it's going to LOOK like it is. For that matter, I just got a call from a route salesman who uses WinMob on his handheld and lost an entire day's worth of sales data when it crashed last night. Fortunately he had paper copies of every sale, but he still had to call his clients to get their payment info.

Now, I'm not saying WinRT is going to be crash and buggy, what I am saying is that it's different enough from desktop that existing desktop apps Will Not Run.
@Cylon Centurion You'd be wise to read those specs again - multitasking on Metro is much like that on the iPad. Desktop is a different story (that's like Windows 7).

So there is no Flash and limited background processing (like iOS). Now I'd argue that these things are needed, if you're going to get the responsiveness required by a multitouch UI. Now Metro is firmly like I'd suggest it needs to be, but it sounds like you want something different.
@Cylon Centurion "Not really. Not if developers port their desktop apps to ARM. If Windows only apps move to ARM, that will be a game changing killer right there."

If it was really so easy. Apps won't be able to just be recompiled and spit it out, it will need to be rewritten, the UI, base code, the whole shot, not to mention the cost of retraining their software engineers into WinRT. Not to mention the lag in acceptance.

Many businesses have already moved to services that utilize mobile apps on many devices including the iPad. Fact is, Microsoft is faced with a lot of unknowns, user acceptance, developer acceptance, and enterprise willingness to invest more capital into re-writing complex apps into the new platform.

I am not saying it will be a failure, other than there is some risk there, especially given that Windows hasn't been proven on Arm architecture, whereas other OS' have.
@vulpine
If you believe that woa devices is destined to fail because the apps are watered down then you have to also agree that ipad and android tablets will fail because all of their office clones are extreme watered down version of what people in the enterprise use. So by that logic those devices can never succeed in the enterprise and will always be just a consumer product for people to jot notes and nothing more serious than that.
@jeremychappell
How long until they replace the awful "Ribbon" with an "Office Start Screen"? wink
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I agree with you, ScorpioBlue
Mister Spock 10th Feb
@ScorpioBlue
There will be compromises. Whenever anybody promises the moon, that's exactly what they get. The moon..

Hence why I have not purchased an iPad or Galaxy Tab.

Both Apple and Samsung have promise us the moon.
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And speaking of the moon...
ScorpioBlue 10th Feb
Both Apple and Samsung have promise us the moon.

But you already come from the moon, faux pointy ears. So you're not in the position of telling us anything.
@Cylon Centurion They might as well port their apps to a Linux OS, since they can be (and usually are) a "FULL, no compromise operating system, and not a watered down, mobile OS." (on several architectures, soon--if not now--including ARM)

That's not to say that that would be the best option, but it is certainly as good or better than porting to W8oA, which promises to remove many of the legacy interfaces that are present in previous versions of Windows.
@iceman357 "I would imagine that every app that runs in win32/64 would be re-written to run on WoA ( if the developer/company) decided to.
I am not sure that I have ever seen a more obvious observation in my life. I to would imagine that if the developer/company decides to rewrite it to WoA it will be rewritten. I would also imagine that every win32/64 app that the developer/company decides to rewrite for iOS or OSX will also be rewritten. Amazing isn't it, they decide to rewrite it and it happens wink

Just because it can be done does not guarantee that fiscally the right decision or will be done.
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You are forgetting one element...
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 10th Feb
@Cylon Centurion... user base willingness to accept the change. I have seen users freak out because the color scheme change between Windows XP and 7, nevermind how users freaked out from Windows 98 to XP.

Yes, techies are fine with change, so long as it is better, but non-techies, those afraid of the computer, will resist it. After all there are users who will refuse upgrading from Office 2003 because they resists the ribbon.

Any tech in the field will tell you, it is 10% of the users who will take up 90% of your time, and they are also the ones that can make your life hell, especially if they have the ear of your boss, or a bigger boss, depending on the organization.
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh
I wonder how Apple got away with releasing the iPhone that had a UI totally different from OS X?

Weird.
@toddbottom
"I wonder how Apple got away with releasing the iPhone that had a UI totally different from OS X?"

a) Because most adopters of the iPhone would have seen it as a totally different device and not expected the commonality... that came later, largely as Apple has tried to leverage the iOS user-base to grow Mac usage

b) Most iPhone users either rarely or never use a Mac, so no learning curve btwn the two, and again no expectation of commonality... much different than moving btwn "Windows" versions, or moving btwn to "Win8" architectures if not enough is in sync...
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... i've always used Win' key + E to get Explorer.

In fact, i don't use the mouse for any Explorer / Windows navigational tasks.
I'm surprised that there are people making such a fuss about losing the Start Button ... frankly, there are far easier ways (i.e. hotkeys and key combos) to accomplish the very same thing - and faster.
@thx-1138_@...
How many people know about "hotkeys and key combos"?

MS doesn't bother to "advertise" most of the actual features/options in Windows.
When people don't use them, MS then uses its telemetry as an excuse, to change the GUI (e.g. replace the menu with the "Ribbon").

My friend who is an electronic technician had a Vista laptop for years (replaced it in December).
He never used the "Windows Logo Key" or "Menu Key", he always used the "Edit" menu when he wanted to copy/paste.
I've only recently managed to convince him to use "Ctrl + C" and "Ctrl + V".

He did use "Windows Logo Key + E" to open Windows Explorer though.
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@lehnerus2000 .. lazy, apathetic minds
thx-1138_@... Updated - 11th Feb
... aren't a "real" excuse for not being aware of the world around you .. or for this subject, specifically, not knowing MS Windows shortcut keys, hotkeys and key combos. What are we? Onto Windows 8 now ... we're not in Windows infancy stages, a la Windows 3.1, y'know.

Answer me this: how hard is it for any mentally apt person, anything over the age of .. say .. 10, to Google "Windows hotkeys" (without the quotes)?!? What you're essentially trying to be the 'apologist' for is plain apathetic and lazy mindedness. I mean, for real .. finding out shortcut keys, hotkeys and key combos is not rocket science.

Case in point: the very Google search i mentioned (i.e. 'Windows hotkeys') returns a comprehensive list, the first up listing mind you, for any and everyone interested to copy down and/or commit to memory ... yet you almost make it sound like that's somehow a task too complex for the average human being ... one that a well trained chimpanzee could likely learn with enough training.

I notice that you use shortcut keys and combos - which is good I.T practice .. but, i have to say, you should guard against defending the lazy, bad habits of an already, predominantly dumbed down society as it stands.

You go on and have a nice day.
@thx-1138_@...
I don't see where I defended laziness or stupidity.
People only know what they have been taught (or discovered themselves).

Should the average office worker have to memorize all of the "Command Prompt" commands?

People who like to play with their computers, will discover these functions when they are experimenting, or by accident when they read help forums.

"... one that a well trained chimpanzee could likely learn with enough training."
Poor training is to blame.
I suspect that most people have been shown ONE way to do something (i.e. double click on the icon).
People who have been "taught" to use computers at the office, will use their home PCs the same way.

When I was doing "Intro to PCs & MS Office" training, I provided demonstrations/handouts, which showed people multiple ways to:
-Select items
-Copy/cut/paste
-Start programs
Only one student complained that she "didn't want to know more than one".

To search for "Windows hotkey", you have to know that is what it is called.
If you've never heard of "keyboard shortcuts", you aren't likely to search for a list of them.
@thx-1138_@... To, in not so many words, claim your superiority over those that don't know all the hot keys and imply or flat out call them lazy or apathetic is extremely egotistical on your part. The VAST majority of Windows users are not technical people. They learn what they need to know to get their job done and don't want to dive deeper into the computer to learn more. Does that make these people lazy? Of course it doesn't. Do you think you know everything there is to know about everything you use? Of course you don't. Do you think there is somebody out there that knows more? Of course there is. Based on your statement, in your opinion that person has every right to call you lazy and apathetic and they would be 100% correct.
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@non-biased ... now you're confusing
thx-1138_@... Updated - 15th Feb
... impossibility with inability and apathy. Both you guys miss the point of my post - and prove my premise without even having to debate it.

Again, how is learning about shortcut keys as difficult as astrophysics? Either way you guys want to 'tar & feather me' i couldn't give a hoot since i don't think i'm off - as far as my take on the situation goes.

What's interesting is that you seem to think calling a spade a spade isn't O.K. Hey, whatever gets you going each day ... i couldn't give a rats what you think. My opinion on the matter hasn't changed one iota. Politically correct, egg-shell treading thinkers like you guys are the problem with a society h3ll bent on making excuses for the mass apathy, ignorance and stupidity of an entire generation.

" ... Based on your statement, in your opinion that person has every right to call you lazy and apathetic and they would be 100% correct. "

There's the difference between you and me. Based on that neo-liberal pap, statement of yours, you seem to place far too much credence on others' opinions of you. I, on the other hand, don't place any value on what others' think of me. Fact is, i know my limitations and live (and comment) within them. How about you, wiseguy?

Lastly, if you two somehow thought for a second you'd get some kind of back down, well i'm afraid you'd be better off going and taking a flying leap from some tall building instead.

Y'all go on and have a good day now.
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@Cylon Centurion
Agree.

So WOA is effectively a hobbled cut-down full Windows 8.

Metro Look, Desktop feel availablie.

However out of the box, it fundamentally won't run legacy apps, won't run WP7 apps natively, and won't full desktop app's.

Makes you wonder why they even bothered.

IOS is fundamentally not OSX, WOA should be WP7 XL.

An iPad is an iPod Touch XL
A WOA tab is Windows 8 Jr.

Apple and Google get this, Microsoft seemingly still don't.
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PolymorphicNinja 14th Feb
@neil.postlethwaite@...
Apple's roadmap for iOS and OSX are to converge and integrate them together at some point.

Google's done this with the tablet/phone form factors with Ice Cream Sandwich, and will essentially roll about 90% of ChromeOS into Android with the introduction of the Chrome browser in a future build of ICS.

I'd say Microsoft is getting it just fine and doing something very similar to what Google and Apple are trying to accomplish.
@Cylon Centurion
Ya know what sucks? People have berated Microsoft over the years for being complacent, and not trying anything new.

And the minute they try to do something new, they get hammered relentlessly by all the end users still stuck in Windows 95-era user experience patterns.

I use Microsoft's products daily, not a fan-boy by any stretch of the definition for any particular brand or company. But the most vocal Windows users about Microsoft's complacency are generally the ones most resistant to change. Microsoft is merely reacting and trying to stay ahead of where the OS market is going:

iOS has proven that a device can be a consumer device exclusively and doesn't have to also provide rich productivity. Microsoft has done a great job here by approaching this duality from a level that Apple will eventually get to when they integrate iOS with MacOS, but hasn't yet... One operating system, that through configuration, will determine it's end-user's experience tailored to the form factor.

Even Google has attempted to do this within its limited reach of platforms with Ice Cream sandwich. And with Chrome browser slated to be part of one of the next builds of ICS, it will essentially consolidate ChromeOS's effort with Android.

So the Metro UI vs. the non-Metro UI.. Clearly Microsoft is only keeping the non-metro UI available for backward compatibility. Once critical software is all ported to "Metro" style, the non-metro side will inevitably disappear. Much like the Windows 3.1 specific interface/apps went away when 32-bit Win95 became prevalent. And while some paranoid end users care about it now because they have a dependency upon it, they really won't in the future as the landscape changes.
@PolymorphicNinja I see it, at least this discussion, very differently. Yes a lot of people berated MS for being complacent, not trying something new and to a certain degree I think it was warranted. If this particular discussion people are not criticizing MS for trying something new at all. What you see are people not accepting that WoA's dominance or even success is a foregone conclusion. Many people attack Apple fans as all being fanboys (some of course are) but many of these same people are saying WoA and Win8 dominance is a foregone conclusion making them basically MS fanboys. None of us can predict the future, we just have to wait and see.
@Cylon Centurion ... blog post ... ??? You mean you did a review without a working product in hand ??? How can they get ANYTHING right if it is not available to the general public for comment ?
@Cylon Centurion hihi one likes playing games come on Y8
Friv
Metro on mobile devices may have some limited success, but Metro on the desktop is going to be a big fat failure. If Microsoft wanted to keep the high desktop share they have gotten, (regardless how they got it), they should concentrate on FIXING all the issues with the current products, rather than force another upgrade to pad their wallets again.
@linux for me
"FIXING all the issues with the current products"... like what exactly?
The list of Windows 7 need fixing is still way shorter than any linux desktop today, and I use Linux and Windows desktop all the time.
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William Farrel Updated - 10th Feb
@linux for me
shouldn't you worry more about having developers concentrate on FIXING all the issues (and the list is massive) with the current Linux products, as opposed to worrying about MS?

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