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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Stop Blu-ray discs from phoning home with AnyDVD HD

By | October 31, 2008, 4:21pm PDT

Did you know that Blu-ray discs can report back to studios when you play a disc? Yep. The BD-Live feature (which was initially touted as a way of delivering extra content to customers - as though Blu-ray didn’t offer enough space in the first place) is being used by studios to keep track of how often you play a disc.

Just got this in from the folks at SlySoft:

Actually, the intent of BD-Live is, for example, to download several megabytes of additional content such as “extras” or “audio comments”
over an on-line connection.

In any event, these are therefore really features that the customer would have expected to find on the costly Blu-ray disc. Surely there is no lack of space on this medium for these sorts of things.

Making things particularly less certain, it remains to be considered that quite a significant number of Players do not provide the user with the option to disable this feature - the Blu-ray content itself lively fires away and without so much as a by-your-leave. And so, many a film fan sits wondering in front of their television sets, oblivious to the reason why it is taking so bloody long for the film to finally begin.

The puzzled consumer is left to rightly pose the question as to what is the reason for this foolish act.

One can only presume that the primary motivation behind this farce is “getting closer” to the customer or, in other words, the studios would like to know exactly how often and when their disc buyers are looking at which film.

Peer van Heuen, the head of development at SlySoft:
“When we took a closer look at the first of these disk types we were absolutely dumbfounded. Sometimes the films actually contacted the manufacturer and did that with the user not knowing about it or even being in a position to even recognize that this connection was taking place. I assume that a significant percentage of these film buyers don’t know what to make of the little BD-Live logo on the package or even recognize it at all.

In other words: hardly anyone expects that a Blu-ray disc ‘makes a telephone call home’ while it’s being played. The circumstances and manner whereby unwitting consumers are maliciously and insidiously eavesdropped upon might get the attention of data and security and/or personal privacy experts in some countries sooner or later.”

In the current version of AnyDVD HD there is an opportunity to disable BD-Live and in this way the personal privacy of the spied-upon consumer is restored. On top of this, the other points in the change log are impressive and worthy to mention. New variations of “region locks” can now be removed from menus and new versions of BD+ are supported as well.

I don’t know about you, but as a consumer I’m getting tired of being spied on.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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No head injury nor concussion.
Joel R 25th Nov 2008
Just a member of that new sub-species of humanity
that’s been emerging and evolving during the
Bush Administration:

Homo sapien sheeple.
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Distrubing
itpro_z 31st Oct 2008
So, how long before advertisers begin to exploit this concept, purchasing time before the movie starts, just like in real theaters. These ads, of course, could be interactive, allowing you to "Press now to order...". Another thought would be the pay per view concept that the studios have tried so hard to impose on us since the days of video tape. Imagine a disc that would play a certain number of times, then require us to pay more for additional viewing.

Sure glad I didn't buy into this Sony crap.
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I would not mind that ....
wackoae 31st Oct 2008
... if it drops the price of the media to below $5 a movie (even new releases).

I could just go to the can before the movie starts or just switch to TV or TiVo for the 1st 10 mins. Or better yet, keep the player off the net.
I love SlySoft. I do not appreciate the awful DRM schemes that are being tied into all new media. I really wouldn't be surprised if the real reason behind BD-Live is to get information about customers' viewing habits. I have a few HD-DVD's but haven't gone BluRay yet. I'm thinking I'll just stick with regular DVDs for the forseeable future. With my Oppo upscaling DVD player, the quality difference is hardly noticeable between DVD and HD-DVD on my 42" 1080p television when viewed from 10 feet.
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I don't really care
Saberr 31st Oct 2008
If studios want to how many times I'm watching their
movie, that's up to them and I don't really care... if
this becomes a problem, I'm sure in the future they'll
add some prompt where it asks if it's okay to send
information to the studios but that would get annoying
every time I log on to BD-Live.
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... of the movies you like.

There is no other reason to get this kind of info than to figure out a way to make more money out of the people who watch a movie more than once.
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I find your response disturbing...
BitTwiddler 1st Nov 2008
I sure hope the majority don't take this attitude towards privacy. It's all but shot to hell as it is (Thank you Mr. Bush).
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You will when they brick your machine.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 1st Nov 2008
Uh oh, some cracker hacked your version of player, auto-download update failed, your machine is a brick. Enjoy the experience. You do know that is the EXACT reason BD+ exists right? Also, shame that particular movie you purchased is cracked, they just updated your player barring that title from playing. Expensive coaster. Think they will pay for an updated disk for you as a replacement? You do know that is EXACTLY what AACS is for don't you?

TripleII
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That they will try and fail or try and succeed to brick my machine, breaking my machine in EITHER case somehow.

DRM simply is NOT ACCEPTABLE. CSS wasn't acceptable, AACS isn't acceptable, NO KIND OF DRM IS ACCEPTABLE!
If they really want to stop pirating, why don't they try lowering their prices from the OBSCENE highs that they have right now.
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No, it's not up to them.
Dr. John 3rd Nov 2008
It is absolutely not up to them. Their rights to knowledge or interference end at my property line. If they want to know how many times I watch their movie, they can ask. If they want to offer me additional content, they can ask. If they want to "upgrade" the firmware or software on my system(s), they can ask. If they want to do ANYTHING after I purchase the item, they can ASK.

And, we all know why they don't ask. They don't ask because we'd all, at least those of us not included under the heading of "sheeple", would happily tell them to sit and spin.
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"Don't Care???"
THX 1138 Updated - 13th Nov 2008
Nothing personal, but have you suffered a head injury or concussion recently? The idea of having my computer try to contact the OS provider without asking me is a nuisance, as it may be looking for updates etc,. but to have an optional program "phone home" ranks up there with key logging and other forms of spyware/malware that I did not install.
This is Big Brother at its worst, checking up on us and next, who knows, maybe we will be carded to ensure that we are allowed to watch these movies, just like theaters will do. Scary, very, very scary.

This is of interest to me as I am an AnyDVD HD user and have been ever since I had an expensive disk get trashed, so now I use one without trailers and all the junk intro that is commonly found. This is a great program for backups, and if it will get rid of this "feature", then fantastic.
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No head injury nor concussion.
Joel R 25th Nov 2008
Just a member of that new sub-species of humanity
that’s been emerging and evolving during the
Bush Administration:

Homo sapien sheeple.
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Way to go, Sony!
MGP2 31st Oct 2008
Violating privacy and other rights, one customer at a time.
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I have a novel idea...
devlin_X 31st Oct 2008
Don't play it on equipment that has connections other than power and audio/video....

No phone or broadband connection....no way to call home.
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Would that this works.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 1st Nov 2008
They can decide at any time to give you 520p. That is the maximum resolution they guarantee. Be it the broadcast flag, custom DRM added by Disney, etc, they can do anything they want. "We're sorry, we can't validate this disk or check for updates online, so we have to restrict you to 520p. To avoid this problem in the future, it is recommended that you connect a permanent internet connection to this player".

Or, simply a disk that updates keys (which is what AACS is for). You call to complain that 3 of your titles no longer work, they say "just connect it to the internet". You have absolutely no rights whatsoever with a blu-ray movie. You do not even have the right to expect that movies you buy today will work tomorrow because the movies keys can be revoked. Your recourse, nothing.

They are still being forced to play nice, and that is why it is important that blu-ray fail, because if they ever dominated the market, all the hundreds of ways they can "fight piracy" will affect consumers by the thousands if not millions.

TripleII
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Um..... I'll stick with my DVD's.
devlin_X 1st Nov 2008
Do stand alone Blue-ray players have a way to hook them to the internet?

It has gotten quite insane what they can do in the name of fighting piracy especially SONY!

It use to be you bought something, you owned it.

I don't buy DRM'd music even if I like the artists. I actually write the artist's management and let them know I really like so and so's music and would like to purchase it but due to the DRM I refuse to buy their CD's or Music downloads. Because it removes my rights to play the music on my various music devices.
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Another fly in the ointment
Ole Man 3rd Nov 2008
I was ridiculed by some "smart" people when I pointed out the primary reason for changing broadcasting to digital (other than bribe.....er...ahhhh lobbying directed at out legislators).

You don't need to connect your BD player to the internet, because your TeeVee is now digital, and it now receives a digital broadcast signal. Therefore, code of any kind (hacking, limiting, virus, whatever) can be transmitted to it.

I don't mind digital broadcasting (and TeeVees) for those who "appreciate quality", and can afford it, but dumb old me don't appreciate our dictator...er..ahhh legislators outlawing analog broadcasting (and thereby overloading landfills by killing the analog TeeVee market).

The one bright spot. Job security for those who operate landfills.
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That's not true
glocks out 1st Nov 2008
This is only the case with component video. There is no ICT with HDMI output.
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Back when I wrote my original article...
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 2nd Nov 2008
in rebuttal to 5 reason why blu-ray is the second coming, I combed the blu-ray pages, and made them an offer. I stated that if you will guarantee that you will never, ever block 1080p if a player does not have an internet connection (one of my biggest concerns) I would retract the entire story. They refused. All they would point me to is the entry here.

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_connection
Will Blu-ray require an Internet connection?


No, you will not need an Internet connection for basic playback of Blu-ray movies.


They will NOT DEFINE what basic playback is. Also, BD+ is explicitly so that studios can add their own DRM layer on top of anything that is standard. They refuse to commit to anything because there is nothing preventing Fox, or Disney, from at some time, demanding an internet connection within their extra bonus DRM infection layer.

That's just one of the reasons I am so anti blu-ray. The consumer has no rights.

TripleII
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Your brand new expensive disk won't play without an internet connection.

Isn't post purchase EULA's the meow?
so do DVDs threw explorer. to a macrovision IP' to be exact.
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LOL, are you serious?
devlin_X 1st Nov 2008
A new reason and another to add to my loooooooooong list of why I no longer run Windows.

Devlin
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First, it's spelled: t h r o u g h
tikigawd Updated - 3rd Nov 2008
Second, even if what you say is true, you don't have to use WMP to play a DVD on your computer. You can use any number of 3rd party media players.
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You Can't...
staticfive 3rd Nov 2008
You can't even use WMP to play DVD's unless you
already have a 3rd Party DVD decoder or Windows Media
Center on the PC...
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first get a life second i don't use WMP moron.
i can't help it if your a non tech. just look at netstat. when you drop a dvd in the drive it makes connection. dweeb. no playing needed.
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Hmmm, BluRay, on yeah
Boot_Agnostic 1st Nov 2008
that technology I've decided to forgo due to the war over it and DRM/SDM crap that's a part of the spec. BluRay was just an attempt to get past the lost of copy protection on DVD when it was cracked.

Now, if you're burning your own bluray discs, will they behave?
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RE: Blu-Ray is craptacular!
Wdabrock 1st Nov 2008
I'm so sick of the format, I'm puking right now! Obsene load times, constant online updates, and content that no better than 480 DVD! Not to mention the annoying ads that appear on my PS3 games. I'm getting a eye patch and a hook and disavowing ANY new formats for now on. It's a pirate's life for me!
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Was ahead of the Orwell curve on this one.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 1st Nov 2008
AACS, and Blu-Ray's BD+ are disgusting DRM infections. I stand by what I wrote over 2 years ago.

http://mostly-linux.blogspot.com/2006/06/top-5-reasons-blu-ray-will-never-be-in.html

I go actual death threats from this article, seems those who want 1984 will need ignorance don't like anyone throwing light on the subject.

TripleII
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thanks for your blog
jglmdvc@... 1st Nov 2008
I really enjoyed your blog.
It has some very good points.
What I cannot believe is how anti-consumer this
company is and how people blindly defend them simply
because they have had one or two good experiences.
Keep writing!
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Given that Blu-Ray is basically Sony's development, is anyone really surprised?

Sony also put the rootkit spyware on their music discs which added a hidden program to the consumers' machines without the consumers knowledge.

While some comments state they do not care as long as the knowledge is used harmlessly, you are not at all in charge of how the information will be used.

How can any one interested in their privacy rights not be worried about this?
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The BDA is chaired by Pioneer.

Sony licenses the format.
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"Sony licenses the format"
Ole Man 3rd Nov 2008
That's a perfect reason for anyone who doesn't like Rootkits to avoid Blu-ray like the plague.
Do you really own a PS3?
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SlySoft is hardly impartial
glocks out 1st Nov 2008
They're selling software, but you take them at their word on all of this?
Since the latter was used as the basis for Roe v. Wade, one assumes that it actually exists (though it's not explicit in the document).

AnyDVD HD obviously violates the DMCA. But it can be argued that using it for this purpose is necessary to enforce one's right to privacy.

Which right has primacy? The copyright holder's right to spy on you, or your personal right to protect yourself, no matter what the DMCA says?

Will be interesting to see what the courts have to say on this one, should they get a chance.
Or, simply unplug your DVD player from the network.
Real simple! Don't buy Sony and don't buy blu-ray. If you are like me, I have a huge library of standard DVD's. Buy a good upconvert player and enjoy what you have. No way in hell am I going to replace collection with blu-ray
Does this REALLY surprise you? After all, Sony was the no-good $%#@* who put that rootkit in their music CD's.
I rarely have time anymore to watch movies (read videos). I
was actually just going to read the article and move on
when the "intrusive big brother-ness of blu-ray struck
me". The recent 50 page FBI "guidelines" should come as a
wake-up-call. The FBI can now drive a humvee through
your front/back door/wall at any time without needing to
show any "proof" of anything- wrongdoing , intent to do
wrong, just on the "vague" grounds of "anonymous suspicious activity. man this is really scary thought police
stuff. It only takes authorization and technique to totally
rip off your rights Undercover. yeah, right, everybody is
becoming a tax/wage slave instead of a gulag inmate
(leave out guantanamo). I mean if Sony can call home who
else can? and I wonder who really owns Sony? - ?
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MOST GOOD software program make you register your software online. If you don't you can't get any upgrades.

NOT Sony But HOLLYWOOD has DEMANDED an IP port on any Blu-Ray player.

Gee.I wonder why??

a cloned movie will NOT have the features of a copy you bought and registered

Once enough player are in place. They (Hollywood) will slowly turn the tap off on DVD's
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It's not the phone
Terry Belanger 5th Nov 2008
Give you head a shake...

EVERY Movie you rented and bought had a FBI warning to NOT copy...

Guess what...Hollywood has finally found a way to Prevent it

If you hack a Blu_ray movie..they will be able to tell..it not just Sony players..it will be ALL players will have a INTERNET Port

10 years ago for everyone Two WINDOWS 98 sold one was cloned..

I wonder how many movies get copied?
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I want a toilet...
smarmybastard 13th Nov 2008
I want a toilet that will phone the manufacturer every time I "log" in. happy

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