Ubuntu Version 7.04 availble for download on April 19

Ubuntu Version 7.04 availble for download on April 19

Summary: Have I forgotten about Linux? Oh no, it's just that I've been eagerly waiting for the release of Ubuntu Version 7.04. I don't have long to wait - Ubuntu 7.04 will be out on April 19.

TOPICS: Open Source

Have I forgotten about Linux?  Oh no, it's just that I've been eagerly waiting for the release of Ubuntu Version 7.04.  I don't have long to wait - Ubuntu 7.04 will be out on April 19.

To be honest with you, I'm really excited about Ubuntu 7.04.  I've been playing with pre-release versions pretty extensively and I've been very please with what I've seen.  However, rather than spent time commenting on pre-release versions I thought that since 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" was so close to release that I'd wait for it to hit the download servers.  So far I've been pretty pleased by how well it supports diverse hardware and platforms that I've been using have been very stable and usable.

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Some of the most successful posts that I've made on ZDNet have been about Linux and I've had more feedback from people about Linux than on any other topic.  There's a great interest in having a free alternative to Windows that has broad hardware support and where the learning curve is shallow.  Maybe Ubuntu 7.04 will fill this niche.  I'm hoping that it just might.

I've also been receiving a lot of feedback from people who are interested in what Linux has to offer but who need to convince someone else (Mum, Dad, brother, sister, husband, wife, partner, significant other, work colleague, boss ...) that Linux is an alternative to Windows and that it's worth at least investigating.  It seems that convincing yourself to give Linux a go can be a lot easier than convincing others.

What advice would you give to people who want to experience Linux but need to convince someone else that it's worth the hassle?

Topic: Open Source

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  • Ubuntu is the satan of open source community

    and it'll hurt the open source in the long run. In fact there's little difference among the linux distributions from the technical standpoint, same kernel, same libs and so on. Ubuntu's only advantage is it ships proprietary drivers, illegal audio/video codec etc and it give Linux a bad name.
    So if you really like to try Linux and get to know the real gem of open source, try Redhat/CentOS/Fedora/Suse/Novell/FreeBSD or Solaris!
    • Wow

      Ummm, OK. Whatever. Considering that it is currently the most popular distribution for download, I would assume that it was more of a saint (in people's eyes) not the sinner.

      But, what do I know? Apparently not much in your estimation. (I kinda like the eye candy that comes with proprietary video drivers.)

      //Written in Firefox running on Ubuntu with Nvidia drivers and Beryl.
    • Well Said

      I agree that ubuntu ships proprietary drivers but thats what people want, If people stop complaining about linux not supporting my hardware, then may be ubuntu will stop shipping those drivers

      And Ubuntu does give you the option to not use these drivers.

      Ubuntu's main market is at the desktop users side and for which it needs to get these kind of hardware working so people wont complain. If it is anyone's fault it is the hardware manufacturers fault as they do not support linux.

      If people buy hardware completely compatable with linux then all the problems will be solved.
    • Well, see you can't have your cake and open source it

      The FSF diatribe ensures that.
    • Obvious you know don't know jack ...

      The restricted drivers/codecs in Ubuntu are not shipped with the distribution under the terms of the GPL. In order to use these drivers/codecs you have to enable the restricted and/or universe repositories, then download and install. So you can [b]CHOOSE[/b] to download them or not depending on how free or open you want you particular machine. It's about choice and choice is good.

      Fedora is the community versus of Redhat, a commercial OS. Novell is Suse, another commerical OS, unless it's OpenSuse. FreeBSD is is a different license with limited driver support and not viable for the average user. Solaris is from Sun which until recent was a commercial OS with the same limitations as BSD, limited driver support, not viable for the average user.

      If you want a completely free and open distro you need to use one of the following according to the Free Software Foundation:

      * gNewSense
      * Ututo
      * Blag
      * Dynebolic
      * GNUStep
      * Musix

      May I suggest that you brush up on your knowledge of current distros:

      • re:Obvious you know don't know jack ...

        Also, http://iso.linuxquestions.org/.
      • How curious you missed out on...

        the FSF-friendly Debian, of which Ubuntu is based...
    • Grandma don't care distro from DOS6.22

      Make a Linux distro that does everything that Win3.11 would do, with current hardware. Make it an easy install. Make it secure enough that an eight year old with a Fischer Price PC and a copy of Mirc can't own it in ten minutes. Make it so hearing about twenty new critical flaws a week has the same impact as the weather in Elk Mountain WY.

      And every high end Gamer Geekboy will be unloading Vista and loading that distro on the new machine grandma just got. Cause 99 44/00ths percent of the computer market don't care squat about AERO nuthin.

      Remember, grandma was a hippie in her day, and if you think that legal software is important to her because big business not getting it's dime just isn't right............
      Calling it satan might be a selling point.
    • you make Linux look bad...

      ...with all your purist spouting. Read articles with Mr. Shuttleworth's comments on Ubuntu.

      he's losing money making a damn fine distro... and there's actually going to be a purist version of ubuntu with Feisty, as I recall.

      true, it's not the default version, but that's because of what the others have commented.
      • Making a bad look

        Oh come on. He isn't making Linux look bad. Linux is currently in the position where ANY press is good press. Just as long as the name gets spelled right.

        On a funny note, tomorrow at this time I'll be installing 7.04 on my first line machine to see if this is the distro that granny (and the dozens of others that W2K is becoming too dated to keep using) will be using for the NEXT five to ten years.

        Is MS publishing any stats on OEM installs or bundles that go unregistered? I recall there was once a brisk business in XP seats that where dumped before the machine booted into an OS the first time. The anti-tamper SN tags lifted with a blow drier and pasted onto a CD made from the image of the hard drive. Then the drive zeroed and another OS used. With XP sold at a very deep discount.

        I don't think the same thing will happen with Vista however. Not because the anti-consumer protection is so advanced, but because I just don't know anybody personally who has any interest in this particular "upgrade."
  • Tried it...

    Not altogether sure how less is more. And Ubuntu is less than
    Suse, Fedora, Red Hat, Mandriva, Centos, Pclinuxos, etc.
  • You might consider...

    ...that the most recent releases have numerous bugs and as an "early adopter" you will be among the users road testing it and will invariably encounter bugs without solutions. I recently installed Edgy and there was/is a major bug (IMHO) related to dual/multi-boot installations (I cite this to reinforce that sometimes the bugs surface before you even install!)

    So my advice is to install Edgy first. You will find the community support is well documented (in other words you will rarely have to submit a post and can just search old posts related to your problem.) After you feel comfortable with Edgy then consider upgrading to Feisty Fawn. The differences in performance however might cause to to consider again...
    • Well for me Ubuntu breaks some very basic Unix /Linux Rules

      1) Normal runlevel for X Windows is 5 (Ubuntu is 2)
      2) Runlevel 2 is suppose to be for non multiuser mode
      3) Some of the config files do not follow the normal Unix/Linux naming conventions.

      These type of things make it very confusing to those of us who have 10+ years of Unix/Linux experience.
      • Not Ubuntu rules, Debian rules

        Default user run level for Debian, which Ubuntu is based on, is 2:


        Debian also has non-standard locations and files versus. You can read more about it here:


        Distros based on Debian:

        * Adamantix
        * APLINUX
        * BenHur
        * Corel Linux
        * Debian JP
        * DemoLinux
        * Demudi, http://www.demudi.org/, a multimedia distribution.
        * Embedded Debian, http://www.emdebian.org/
        * ESware Linux
        * Euronode, http://euronode.org/
        * Floppix, http://floppix.ccai.com/
        * Gibraltar
        * GNUstep LIVE CD, http://livecd.gnustep.org/
        * Impi Linux
        * Kanotix, http://www.kanotix.com/
        * KNOPPIX, http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/
        * Libranet, http://www.libranet.com/
        * Linspire, http://www.linspire.com/
        * Linex
        * Linuxin
        * Linux-YeS, http://eugene.mplik.ru/doc/lys/
        * Linux Router Project, http://www.linuxrouter.org/
        * MEPIS, http://www.mepis.org/
        * M.N.I.S. Linux, http://www.mnis.fr/
        * Morphix
        * PingOO, http://www.linuxedu.org/
        * Progeny Linux, http://www.progeny.com/
        * Prosa, http://www.prosa.it/
        * RAYS LX
        * Stonegate
        * Stormix Technologies' Storm Linux.
        * TelemetryBox, http://telemetrybox.org/
        * Ubuntu
        * Xandros

      • RE: Well for me Ubuntu breaks some very basic Unix /Linux Rules

        Title of your post pretty much says it. I have tried Ubuntu,
        Kubuntu, and Xubuntu and they have each come up short of what I
        have come to expect from a Linux Distro. Having to choose a
        distro based on the desktop you want to use is
        just.....strange. Most distros give you KDE, Gnome and 1 or 2
        other desktops by default, usually Xfce or Icewm or Fluxbox. I
        am continually puzzled about the Ubuntu 'buzz'.
        • You can change desktops very easy

          I can change the desktop in Ubuntu from KDE to Gnome or Xubuntu very easily with the package manager or I can install all three of them if I choose. On my ibook I switched from Gnome to Xfce with two commands:

          [b]sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop[/b]
          [b]sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop[/b]

          Before that I switched from KDE to Gnome with version 5.10:

          [b]sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop[/b]
          [b]sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop[/b]

          So in reality you don't have to "choose" a distro based on the desktop.
          • With CENTOS

            I can choose at install time to have both and then I can switch @ login time with a check box.
  • A lot of these points are missing the point...

    ... Adrian SPECIFICALLY asked [i]"What advice would you give to people who want to experience Linux but need to convince someone else that it's worth the hassle?"[/i]

    My advice would be that the next time Windows stuffs up and you need to insert that "Recovery CD" then why not try linux at that point.

    If your machine's already dead then what do you have to loose?

    Option 2: Try it on an older spare machine. If you don't like it then nothing's lost.
    • RE: A lot of these points are missing the point...

      >>>..."What advice would you give to people who want to
      experience Linux but need to convince someone else that it's
      worth the hassle?"...<<<

      How about a live CD like Slax, Mandriva One, Knoppix CD or DVD,
      Simply Mepis, Pclinuxos, for example.
    • Either you're joking or ...

      ... your computer do not know what's serving its owner for hard work and some complex applications.
      No one is willing to give up of the expensive applications bought with hard earned money just to "give it" a try. I know everyone in the linux community would like to see it with a greater critical mass but will that that will never happen, unless one can run any windows applications without dual boot tricks. But this would be in itself very tricky. Of course, if really unique applications are only made available to run under linux, that would help, but who is going to produce applications that will run only under linux?