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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

What the hell is going on at Microsoft?

By | July 1, 2010, 6:48am PDT

So, two months following launch, Microsoft pulls the plug on its Kin platform (can’t call it a smartphone … phone maybe, or dumbphone … suggestions please). The handset was aimed at tweens and teenagers, but was pricey and came shackled to a painfully expensive contract. It was Microsoft’s latest “me too” product, and now it’s all but sunk without a trace.

What the hell is going on at Microsoft?

Sidenote: I can’t think of another Microsoft product, or one from such a high profile company, that got the legs knocked out from under it as quickly as Kin got toppled.

It’s hard to know for sure why Microsoft pulled the plug on the handset. I tend to agree with Jon Honeyball over at PC Pro who thinks that the death of Kin coming mere hours before the end of the financial year for the Redmond giant is far from a coincidence. After all, the whole project can’t have been cheap. Microsoft spend $500 million acquiring mobile services company Danger, and could have easily spent another $500 million on the project as a whole. That’s a huge bonfire of cash. I can see why Microsoft would want to draw a line underneath the project if it was a commercial failure. But the sudden pulling of the plug shows that Microsoft had no long-term faith in being able to turn things around. It realized that Kin was a mistake - a big mistake - and put an end to it.

Another problem with Kin was that the project pushed Microsoft way outside of its comfort zone in terms of core competences. The tweens and teens market is a new one for Microsoft, and it blundered in seemingly with little clue as to what it was doing. My guess is that Microsoft was trying to make a follow-on to the Sidekick, but Sidekick was cool a few years ago, before the iPhone and before the Droid. Times have changed.

Also, lets face it, the two Kin handsets were ugly bits of engineering. Might seem superficial, but considering the market they were aimed at, it was a critical point.

This isn’t the first product to erode from under Microsoft this year. Earlier we had Courier and the HP Slate. Looking back I’m not entirely sure if either of these products were actually serious products, or more of an attempt at FUDing away some of the iPad hype.

The death of Kin leaves me with some important questions for Microsoft relating to Windows Phone 7. First is how can developers, who Microsoft are hoping to entice over to the WP7 platform, have any confidence in that platform? Sure, Microsoft is giving all sort of reassurances that its energies are now being diverted to WP7, but until yesterday the message was that it was pushing Kin and WP7 as separate platforms (with some vague convergence point somewhere in the future). Words …

Another question is who now, knowing the fate of Kin, will be happy to be a WP7 early adopter? It’s not so much questioning the validity of WP7, but more Microsoft’s approach to the hardware side of things. Microsoft is only really interested in the licensing money for the OS, which means it farms out the hardware to a bunch of third-party OEMs. These OEMs want to make the cheapest product possible so farm out manufacturing to the lowest bidder. What does this all mean? That ultimately there’s little or no difference between a WP7 handset from one vendor or another, making the whole endeavour a race to the bottom.

Thirdly, how has this soured relations between Verizon and Microsoft? Hard to imagine there being no fallout on that front.

Finally, what do shareholders make of this? A billion dollars down the pan is a lot of dough to blow on a project that sees light for two month.

The sudden rise and fall of the Kin is a clear pointer to the fact that Microsoft has no clear mobile strategy. The company is flailing wildly, throwing money about like it’s a solution to everything. It isn’t. the phrase that lingers in my head to describe Microsoft’s current mobile plan is “here today, gone tomorrow …”.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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They have a clear strategy now
MrViklund 13th Jul 2010
Kin was funny. I hated the name. The phones looked somewhat stupid but I can't help it, i still liked liked them. They look very cute somehow. And if they ever came to Sweden I would pick one up.

I think Microsoft didn't have a clear line with it's Mobile Strategy. I thin they thought they had to kill Kin to create one. We don't know what Microsoft wanted to kill Kin, they might have felt it was necessary to gain the markets trust for their strategy that so far have been less than successful.

I'm looking forward to Windows Phone 7 (sounds stoopid) and what it will bring. I wish Microsoft lots of success, it would be fun for the market.
This just reinforces with developers and OEMs that Windows Mobile or Windows Phone 7, or whatever marketing wants to call it is NOT viable.
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@DonnieBoy

Double post? I'm guessing you have nothing else to say? Lol, Donnie-Donnie silly
This will just cement in the minds of OEMs and developers that Windows Phone 7 is going NOWHERE. This will force MS to PAY millions to release Windows Phone 7 phones. This will force MS to PAY millions to iPhone developers to get them to port applications to Windows Phone 7.

Now, what do YOU have to say about the Kin failure????
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@DonnieBoy

http://www.zdnet.com/tb/1-84642-1606991. There you have it.
was, and that it was a huge success, and that it would be around for a long time. Just exactly where are they????????????????
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banned from zdnet 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy
back in their cave, i suppose wink
on printers, 8.5x11 paper. WHAT A BUNCH OF FREAKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@DonnieBoy
IdiotBoy, we are here. I think calling you as an idiotboy is right for us when you started name calling us. Kin is no doubt a successful phone technically. If it wasn't with Verizon exclusivity, it would have been a successful. Everyone in the field knows about it. And we all were saying that majority of kids are not economically independent and during the times of hardship with economy no parent would let their kids have a voracious bill from Verizon for just socializing online using mobile. Verizon should have realized this and Microsoft should have negotiated with them. Were you deaf? If you really read into the original posts from us, you would have realized by now. At least Microsoft has some originality with Windows Mobile, IIN and Windows Phone. What do you same with your leader's product, it is nothing but copy cat. They simply stole ideas from Microsoft, Apple (sitting in the board, which is nothing but backstabbing).
And, no reason to cancel the phone, just move to another carrier, if Kin is any good.

But, we know the reason for all this. Kin is freaking JUNK, hardware and software. Stop making excuses.
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Another great MS product killed
Richard Flude 1st Jul 2010
right;-)
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Don't Fault the Hardware! Danger is Awesome!
i2fun@... Updated - 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy You can blame Verizon for having too many hot selling Android devices for it to compete with right now. You can also rightly blame Microsoft for their bad timing. Including the half baked last gen OS they put on it. But I don't think the party is over for Microsoft just yet. If this device would have had Windows Phone 7 on it, it would have been a different story! ....as it is, their fans are simply waiting for Windows Phone 7's actual release on a device like the HTC 1.3ghz Mondrian!

I don't care for Microsoft myself, but I love fair competition. That doesn't go out spreading nails on the road behind it.... like Apple!!! ....Steve is the king of the SUCKER PUNCH!

But they've got the whole gang after them now and the take down ain't going to be pretty. Let's see how many companies are they fighting against? ....oh about a 20 or so! haha... with names like Intel, Google, Nokia, RIM, Microsoft, Motorola, Dell, HP/Palm, Samsung, HTC, etc and so forth. One thing to remember, is people don't like bullies and they usually get beat to pulp in a dog pile gang bang!

I just hope Jobs has brains enough to take his glasses off, because it won't stop 'em from taking out their revenge on the Arrogant Little Creep! ....and it'll happen just when his iPhone4 loses it's connection as he tries to call 911!
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Should that not be iDiotBoy?
kaninelupus 2nd Jul 2010
@Rama.NET
Seems more fitting!

@iDiotBoy....
Stop your damned flaming a get a life! Better yet, climb out of your grandmother's basement and breathe some fresh air; it might help to clear those sinuses and blow away some of your bad attitudes.

How can anyone ever have an informed discussion/debate with the likes of yourself cramming the boards with spiteful ripostes?? Seriously mate; if you can't participate in an adult conversation with at least a semblance of maturity, then go put on that dunce's hat and stand in the corner with all your friends!
I had the KIN for three weeks and realized I made a major mistake with that phone. When I saw the Droid Incredible, it did everything the KIN could do social networking wise and much more. No, it didn't do the ZUNE. But, I already have ZUNE HD. Also, it has pandora and works pretty well. I made my decision to go to the Droid Incredible based on the Microsoft KIN. I realize I didn't like the direction they were going with this. And, plus, the software was crap. Application were constantly crashing. It was clearly not ready and rushed to the market. What's sad is WP7 is not ready either. For example no Cut and Paste. Really Microsoft! That's such a small feature and it will be missing. Fire Steve Ballmer and hire Ray Ozzie!
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@Rama.NET " If it wasn't with Verizon exclusivity, it would have been a successful. "

I'm sorry, but you are an idiot. Anyone not working for Microsoft knew this thing was DOA. It's a joke, and never should have seen the light of day.
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I never heard ANYBODY say that...
tricktytom 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy : Who said that?
@DonnieBoy

I suppose you knew it was gonna be a flop 'cause you're part of the market? When do you turn 12, anyway?
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@DonnieBoy I can't remember anyone saying Kin would be a great success. Windows Phone 7 on the other hand is a different story.
MS will have to pay them a small fortune to release Windows Phone 7 phones, just like they are paying a small fortune to get iPhone developers to write for Windows Phone 7. All MS can do right now, is throw hundreds of millions at this, and that will still not be enough to make a difference.
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The Triumphant Decline of Microsoft
OS Reload 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy

Sweet!!!
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EPIC FAIL for the Borg Collective
ahh so 1st Jul 2010
I savor any failure by the most intrusive monopoly out there.
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It's things like this, that caused me to make sure that my digital life is MS-free.
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@DonnieBoy You, *really* need to calm down a touch.
Windows Phone 7? How is Microsoft doing in Mobile?
already in shock, crying over this, and you are just rubbing salt in the wounds. Think of all the poor hapless employees in the Kin division running away whimpering with their tails between their legs.
@DonnieBoy

and start making arrangements for some sort of strategic alliance around Android or even follow HP's steps and move to something Linux based.

The sooner they put an end to the drama the better, watching Microsoft die by a thousand cuts is getting too painful.
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@OS Reload

"watching Microsoft die by a thousand cuts is getting too painful."

Actually, I was enjoying that part.

BTW, I think Steve Ballmer is the greatest CEO EVER !
of Danger. BOTH founded by Andy Rubin.

Who got the better deal???

Or, was it just that the cultures were a huge miss-match at Microsoft??? Was it Microsoft's meddling and culture clashes that were the problem, or was in that the Danger group was just that bad???
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Danger started it all!
emurmur 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy, With the T-Mobile Sidekick, Danger created the prototype for the internet connected smartphone. Great browser, great apps, great games all available over-the-air. As already stated, Andy Rubin went on to create Android, others were key players in the Palm WebOS (best mobile OS IMHO) and the rest went to Microsoft in the Danger acquisition. The issue is Microsoft and it's culture. Danger was fast, creative and agile. Microsoft is not. The SideKick was built from the ground up with Java. As you might expect, many of the Danger folks were pro-Java, anti-Microsoft guys. They loved what they had created. Microsoft came in a killed it.
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RE: What the hell is going on at Microsoft?
Loverock Davidson 1st Jul 2010
Wow, another Microsoft bashing article from AKH. Who would have thought?

(can?t call it a smartphone ? phone maybe, or dumbphone ? suggestions please)

Its called a feature phone, duh. Nothing out of the ordinary is going on at Microsoft. They had a great product and released it, Verizon essentially killed it. If it wasn't for their $30 data plan this phone would have had a chance, now we will never know. The idea of it was great, the concept was great. Market to the younger crowd who does a lot of social networking. Verizon forgot to take in the fact that people of that age can't afford the phone bill that Verizon was charging.

There is a good side to all this, now Microsoft has a building block for Microsoft Windows Phone 7. They can take the UI of the Kin and incorporate it into their plans for Phone 7, as well as all the sync stuff they had for Kin. I see this as an advantage for Microsoft.

AKH - The master of storms in a teacup. Seriously dude, what CBS exec is making you write the clickbait?
AT&T for instance. There is Sprint, TMobile. And, how stupid was Microsoft to accept the Verizon terms and not go to other carriers. I imagine that just about all the carriers wanted nothing to do with this junk, and MS had to pay Verizon a small fortune up front, and also accept the high priced plans. Really pretty funny.
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RE: What the hell is going on at Microsoft?
Loverock Davidson 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy
You completely missed whats going on here. Let me explain it to you in plain english. Verizon pretty much killed the Kin due to requiring a $30 data plan for a feature phone. The rest of the Verizon feature phone data plans are $10, yet with the Kin they are charging $30. Despite its great interface and social media capabilities, the younger crowd simply could not afford it and did not want a feature phone when they could get a Microsoft Windows Mobile smart phone for the same price of the data plan. There were no behind the scenes deals, it was simply Verizon being the big bad bully.
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just need to move it to another carrier, or renegotiate the data plan with Verizon. Verizon is NOT the only carrier in the world!!
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Loverock Davidson 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy
That is easier said than done. You can't just put one phone onto another network, especially with CDMA phones.
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Microsoft paint themselves into a corner like this? Why completely cancel the phone? Compared to everything else, making it work on other carriers is a drop in the bucket.
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Pete "athynz" Athens 1st Jul 2010
@Loverock Davidson

The KIn was NOT a feature phone, it was a slightly dumbed down smartphone - almost like an introductory device to smartphones... so VZW is going to treat it as a smartphone. Maybe they should have gone to AT&T so that the KIN could be used with the $15 data plan
@DonnieBoy This in my opinion is just an example of microsoft not listening to it customers.
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Fallout
DannyO_0x98 Updated - 1st Jul 2010
What the heck. Let's speculate.

Verizon, and other sellers, will return unsold Kins and receive their money back, less some restock charge. They were bought for stocking based on certain expectations of theirs and expectations raised by the Microsoft sales team. Having been around the block, Verizon probably had a better calibration on the market and didn't overstock. If it were me, I would use the Kin bath, small as it was, as leverage to get further discounts should Microsoft try another phone.

Now to Microsoft, the 500 million for Danger cannot be costed against the one product. As to a 500 million guess for development of the Kins: I don't think it would have been that much. That's 3,434 person-years (a year being 2080 hours, 52 weeks per year x 5 days per week * 8 hours per day). As to materials, let's check iSuppli's Kin report. Oh, I can't find one. Is that a leading indicator of consumer interest?

Your colleague Mary-Jo Foley was reporting on a Microsoft phone project called "Pink" for a couple of years. I imagine some of that work was rolled into the Kin. Is that fairly described as a Kin cost?

But, let's look closely at what the common wisdom is saying about why the Kin failed. Product reviews? Great reviews may help, but, really, if a phone makes sense to a sector, they'll buy it. If not, they won't. No, it seems to come down to usage costs (and by implication, contract lock in).

Verizon charges are something Microsoft has minimal power over and that leverage exists at one moment when the exclusivity contracts are being negotiated. Did Microsoft broach a special data/service deal. If it didn't, that was a tragic oversight. If they did and Verizon said no, that might have been a clue that the product wasn't all that to the carrier.

As to other causes, I'm told the advertising campaign was off the beam. I'm not surprised; this frequently happens with Microsoft. Over the years, I've come to believe that there is a moment in the ad agency's office when the Mad man looks at the Microsoft suit and sees him or her transform into a walking talking sucker, a la Looney Tunes.

I really don't think Microsoft blew a billion on the Kin. I think these were some ideas and projects that were kicking around - perhaps parts came from Danger - and they went with the Kin to see what happens. The green-lighting may have been right around the time Google said they'd sell Android direct. Since then, Google has backed away from that. No doubt the other phone manufacturers expressed their displeasure that their os providers were going to compete with them as manufacturers.

Now that, the expensive data plan that Verizon offered the parents of Kin teens, and the pulling of the Kin, are elements of a story that I think tracks pretty well.
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RE: What the hell is going on at Microsoft?
DannyO_0x98 Updated - 1st Jul 2010
@ZDNet
Almost every time I come back from correcting grammar, etc., I find my post flagged as spam. I refresh the page and that goes away.

The irony, of course, is that ZDNet talkbacks are uniformly filled with spam.

Do the spamsters not only auto-post their sales blather but also auto-flag every other post as spam so that ZDNet engages in automatic de-flagging, which is how they survive on the pages?

Alternatively, my temporary spam flagging may be a javascript bug or it may be other readers who disagree with me.

Regardless, the system is not working.
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It's a glitch in the software
jgpeters 1st Jul 2010
@DannyO_0x98 I have this happen sometimes when I immediately notice a typo. It tells me it has been flagged as spam. if I close the browser and come back to the page I can edit it, and it never was flagged. Doesn't happen all the time, but often enough.
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@DannyO_0x98
That happens to me too, and I've tried to post it each time.
The Edit feature does not work properly at all! Glad you raised the issue too.
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Yo Adrian! What kind of crap is this?
Johnny Vegas 1st Jul 2010
Why do you pretend like you dont know tech and dont know anything about MS?

MS has a clear mobile strategy. All mobile developers know it and all of them have every confidence MS will pursue it. Its just stupid to suggest that MS will exit the mobile space. KIN was never part of it. MS took a risk on Danger and unfortunately for them it turned out they were a one trick pony. Im sure all the smart people inside MS were against ever letting KIN be completed, let alone see the light of day. Launching it was just an oh well attempt to see if it could recoup any of the lost investment. It failed and they sensibly pulled the plug.

As far as oems go thats completely independent. that theres billions to be made there is why theres not a race to the bottom. Weve already been to the bottom with feature phones. They all want to be the next razor or iphone and they all know they need software to get there. They dont particularly care if its windows or ios or android as long as they sell billions of units. If people want windows they will give it to them.
the same code as Windows Phone 7. This brings into doubt EVERYTHING about Windows Phone 7. Remember, they are basing Windows Phone 7 on the UI for a failed music player.

THIS IS ABOUT AS BAD AS IT GETS.
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RE: What the hell is going on at Microsoft?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 1st Jul 2010
@DonnieBoy - Alas, that's where you're wrong: The Kin was a parallel effort that shares little code with that of WinPhone7.

As to why MS even bothered to release Kin ... let's just say that they were caught in contractual limbo and had to release it when they did ... even though it wasn't "right" to do so.

I for one am glad that they've cancelled the Kin quickly rather than dragging it on until after WinPhone7. Shame they couldn't have killed it before release, but as I said, they had their hands tied.
attempt at a smart phone and OS. And, YES, the Kin OS and Windows Phone 7 have a lot in common. Soon they will have even MORE in common as they will BOTH be disasters.
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@Johnny Vegas -Nice Microsoft Fanboy post.

"MS has a clear mobile strategy. All mobile developers know it and all of them have every confidence MS will pursue it."

When people defend Apple's products, they are Kool-Aid drinking fanatics. So, what does that make you when you refuse to accept the facts pointing to Microsoft's clear ineptitude in this matter?

And nice try trying to pretend that the fault lies with Danger. Microsoft bought a company that made a great little product that got positive press and media coverage and butchered this product by forcing WinCE down throats of the developers. Don't pretend you can argue that this was anything but a stupid, imbecilic move by Microsoft.
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Microsoft is showing that it has 1) lost it's ability to be nimble, 2) lost it's ability to innovate and 3) since it is so large, it has forgotten that you can make a lot of money by selling A WHOLE LOT of things for a small profit IF people want what you are selling (Google model of making money on Ads). Roll all these things together, and you understand why Microsoft is where it is at.
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@jkohut Microsoft was never nimble. It has lost it's ability to freeze entire markets by indicating it was moving in. You can tell by the way Microsoft releases every detail of everything that crosses it's mind, hoping that the mere mention of a Microsoft product will scare developers in that market into delaying products or formulating strategies to combat Microsoft's money.

But those days are gone. Microsoft makes billions of it's Windows/Office monopoly and uses the money to move into unrelated markets, but Apple, RIM and Google has conclusively shown that entire markets can be entered, won and sustain healthy competition without giving a damn what Microsoft wants to do.
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@His_Shadow

People just aren't afraid of M$ anymore. Now they explore their opportunities without worrying that M$ will "embrace, extend, extinguish".
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Makes you think twice about the reason for their so called "retirement".
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They have a clear strategy now
MrViklund 13th Jul 2010
Kin was funny. I hated the name. The phones looked somewhat stupid but I can't help it, i still liked liked them. They look very cute somehow. And if they ever came to Sweden I would pick one up.

I think Microsoft didn't have a clear line with it's Mobile Strategy. I thin they thought they had to kill Kin to create one. We don't know what Microsoft wanted to kill Kin, they might have felt it was necessary to gain the markets trust for their strategy that so far have been less than successful.

I'm looking forward to Windows Phone 7 (sounds stoopid) and what it will bring. I wish Microsoft lots of success, it would be fun for the market.

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