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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?

By | May 12, 2011, 2:13pm PDT

Yesterday Google unveiled its Chrome OS devices - the Chromebook. While opinions seem divided, most people I’m hearing from don’t see the Chromebook as something that they would want. But why?

Well, here are main reasons I’m hearing why people aren’t all that jazzed by the Chromebook:

  1. Price - $28 per month for a business translates into $1,008 over three years, which is a lot of money what is essentially a netbook with very little local storage and an OS with ’limited’ capability. Even buying the Chromebook outright still costs between $350 and $500, which is a lot of money for a netbook.
  2. Hardware - Current there are two general models from two OEMs (Samsung and Acer). There’s very little choice.
  3. Cloud storage - The idea of cloud-only storage bothers people a lot. The idea that work stops if there’s no WiFi or 3G (or if Google’s servers go down) doesn’t appeal to many. On top of that, there are a lot of people who view cloud storage with suspicion and wouldn’t be happy with their data living on Google servers.
  4. Reliance on ‘apps’ - You can’t just download and install just anything onto Chromebooks. The Chrome OS works with web-based apps. Many have concerns that these apps will be limited and inflexible.
  5. Updates - Chrome OS updates will be pushed automatically to Chromebooks. Some are concerned that this automatic updating could result in problems that would be outside of the control of the end user.

Poll

What spect of the Chromebook puts you off the most?

[UPDATE: As if to underline why I don't want a Chromebook, here's what I was greeted with when I tried accessing my Gmail account ...

Ugh ...]

Despite all these negatives, some people are drawn to the upsides of Chromebook ownership.

  • Upgrades - That $28 a month, after 3 years, gets you a new Chromebook.
  • Support - Google Apps support is included, as is hardware replacements in case of problems.
  • Data safe in the event of hardware failure or loss - If, for some reason, you have to replace a Chromebook, all your data is safely stored on Google’s servers, so getting back up and running is easy.
  • Price - $28 per month per seat is the cost of Windows for an enterprise users. With the Chromebook you get the hardware, software, data storage, support and new hardware every three years.
  • Security - Google claims that security is paramount when it comes to the Chromebook. For some, the idea of a well-locked-down, secure system is appealing.

So, there are upsides and downsides. Google claims that the Chromebook isn’t for everyone and that some 25% of enterprise users wouldn’t be able to work on a Chromebook, but that still leaves 75% who could - and it is those users that Google is targeting with the Chromebook. A poll over on my blogging buddy James Kendrick’s blog indicates that some 70% won’t be buying a Chromebook, and a further 16% aren’t sure. In the feedback I’m getting, I’d say that the split of yes/no/maybe is about the same.

It seems to me that Google could might have a hard sell ahead.

What do you think of the Chromebook?

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You call THAT Secure?
alan_r_cam 13th May 2011
Strip out all wireless connectivity - wireless is compromised.
Then strip out the reliance on an cloud servers.

That leaves you with - a dumb terminal. A keyboard and screen.
hated iPod, iPhone, and iPad, but, those devices were very well received by consumers, and Apple is now worth more, has higher revenues, and higher profits than Microsoft. Truly amazing.
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@DonnieBoy There is no doubt that this is the way all technology is headed; however, I think people will demand more functionality. I think that the MacBook air is the other extreme, but better suited for what people need now. In my opinion the chrome book will be as successful as the google tv. People still want the ability to run photoshop and access and excel with out any comprimise.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
global.philosopher 12th May 2011
@apetti Agreed. Oracl NetPC was well before tis time. I think Chromebooks are still before their time. I don't think Google will ever succeed in this space because the company is starting to stink (much the same MS did over time) because of thier reliance on ad revenue and persistence in getting and using personal information about you. I think another company will come along with a true open option in about 10 years time.
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Google ain't Apple
itpro_z 12th May 2011
@DonnieBoy, Apple sells consumer electronics by virtue of their marketing clout and perceived "coolness". Google has neither.
bad, I am a propeller head too.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
tonymcs@... 12th May 2011
@DonnieBoy

The problem with Google is always too little too late and then it's beta anyway.

Bloggers have been embracing the new iToys and sneering at laptops and netbooks as yesterday's news. Now Google essentially brings out another Linux laptop (which have already failed dismally) telling us all we need for applications is some spaghetti coded Javascript and HTML (and beta of course).

There's also no point in comparing costs of Chrome vs Win PCs as one has applications and multiple functionalities and the other has Google Docs (which may as well be beta).

So go get a Chrome notebook Donnie. It appears Google is trying to join the toy manufacturers, but they don't have Apple's packaging and marketing departments. Perhaps you're not old enough to remember tthe thin client scam Donnie, so it's only fair that you repeat history.
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Amazingly enough...
John L. Ries 12th May 2011
@DonnieBoy
...I don't own any of the above. What I think may not matter to other people, but it does matter to me. And, as I pointed out repeatedly, profitability matters to investors and employees, but doesn't, or shouldn't matter much at all to the consumer. If I decide I want to buy something, I buy it; I don't look at the vendor's profit and loss statement first.
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What's truely amazing is that you jump into fool mode
Will Pharaoh Updated - 13th May 2011
@DonnieBoy
right from the start!
So in you're world, anybody who offers facts and points of view as to why this isn't worth it to them, they're automaticlly "propeller heads?"

So the engineering firm that uses 3d modeling and CAD programs are propeller heads? There are TONS of people who can't use this, so they're all wrong and just a bunch of proppeler heads?

Speaking of heads, don't you think it's high you had yours examined? You really haven't a clue but you believe you do.

It's called delusional.
predicting how consumer products will sell. Case in point: iPod, iPhone, iPad, Android phones, etc. The propeller heads were all over those product releases like stink on sheeet, predicting how nobody would buy them. Of course they had "facts" to back up their assertions!!!

And, hey, I am a propeller head, I admit it!!!
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joegrrrcia Updated - 13th May 2011
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@joegrrrcia I would recommend that you read the blog entirely fist and then post the comments.
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@joegrrrcia

... ummm ... How about the bullet points just above your quote?
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 13th May 2011
@joegrrrcia I've seen a monkey wearing shoes ... your argument is invalid.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
Pete "athynz" Athens 13th May 2011
@joegrrrcia So are you a died in the wool frothing at the mouth Linux head or just some random idiotic troll with a problem with reading comprehension? Dude, he covered the upside points in his article below the poll. Reread the article - or have your mother come down to the basement and read it for you and explain it to you so that you can understand.
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@joegrrrcia if the upsides can be considered upsides, they definitely do not outweigh the downsides. so who cares anyhow?
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Thanks NA
joegrrrcia 12th May 2011
@noagenda

Thanks, it was hard getting through the first portion of the article. . . I guess, I rarely turn around to puke in a toilet I just pooped in.
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It is not a netbook
itpro_z 12th May 2011
That is the point, is it not? A netbook is a real computer, while the Chromebook is a glorified terminal. Netbooks are typically underpowered, but can do everything a Chromebook can, and thousands of things the Chromebook cannot. I can understand the attraction for the Googlyheads to a Google terminal, but I really doubt that anyone else will be attracted to such a limited (dare I say locked in) device.
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@itpro_z
Another person claiming that you can run Photoshop on 12' netbook?

Give it a break!

MS claimed that more than 90% of usertime is spend on Web BROWSING! Thats mean plenty of peaple who will be more that happy to buy solution that allow them to do just that, with no additional fuss (virus protection, updates, installation, backups, software updates, software installation).

And you can run MSOO on Chromebook try this on any netbook with similar hwd. This is for business as it require some cloud solutions, but then (private) cloud solutions are also something that have bright future ahead.
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@przemoli If 90% of my time is spent browsing the web, I'm probably at home, and just wasting time. I'd rather have an iPad... The other 10%, I'm probably doing something that I don't want to use a Chromebook for... FAIL
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Did I mention Photoshop?
itpro_z 13th May 2011
@przemoli

No, I did not. Nor did I mention Windows. My point is that you can run pretty much whatever you want on a netbook, while the Chromebook is simply a Google terminal. Netbooks can run Linux or Windows and the vast majority of applications that we use. A netbook could run Ubuntu very well, and certainly runs Windows 7 very well (I have several in my organization). A netbook can run MS Office or LibreOffice very well, or do the Google Apps or other web offerings as well. Can the Chromebook do that? What about iTunes? I am sure that some live their lives online, but for many of us what we do with our machines goes way beyond a browser.
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I would say there is nothing wrong with the ChromeBook if a ChromeBook is what you want. I'm all for it. And cached files and programs allow you to take your work and media with you on the go. So that's not much of a problem. The only problem I really see is that the subscription service is only for businesses and schools buying at least 10 ChromeBooks. I would be all over it as a lone consumer, but am sadly left with buying the computer outright. Oh well.
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@Jozozo
Some carriers may sell Chromebooks with its price included in monthly payments? That would be good. Even in my country (Poland) you can see some offerings of net+netbook bundles.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
MariaofColumbia 12th May 2011
Interesting article, similar arguments could have been made for the iPad (see below)...it seems to have worked out for Apple:
Well, here are main reasons I?m hearing why people aren?t all that jazzed by the iPad:

1. Price -Or in iPad's case - $25/month for two years plus $499 ($1099) still a lot for a netbook!
2. Hardware - Current there are three general models from one OEM (Apple). There?s very little choice.
3. iTunes - Everything runs through Apple's iTunes, apps and content. There are a lot of people who view this vendor "lock in" with suspicion and wouldn't be happy with all their apps and content tied to Apple.
4. Reliance on ?apps? - You just download and install just Apple "approved" apps onto the iPads. Many have concerns that these apps will be limited and inflexible.
5. Updates - iOS updates will be pushed out regularly via iTunes sync. Some are concerned that this automatic updating could result in problems that would be outside of the control of the end user, especially when Apple ships out newer hardware with more capability.

Looks like things worked out for Apple and the iPad. Why dont we wait and see what the market really says versus trying to set an agenda for the market.
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@MariaofColumbia

I agree one must wait and see. After all, I doubt Google is poised to drop the offering should folks here object strenously.

However, I don't think your analogy of the iPad is all that apt. Apple nor the pundits here promoted the iPad as 'the desktop killer'. The iPad was promoted as primarily a consumptive device (I don't need a list of productivity apps from the peanut gallery). This is being touted as the replacement for productivity and consumptive devices ... including the iPad.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
global.philosopher Updated - 12th May 2011
@MariaofColumbia (1000's of apps + Web) at launch vs (Angry Birds + Web). Bit of a difference.
And of course this was a new category vs Chromebook must differentiate aginst Netbooks. For schools I can see a marginal benefit in cost savings but at the expense of limiting students solely to web technologies. For businesses it just will not happen.
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@MariaofColumbia

an iPad can do a lot of things a PC can't , just a few examples:
with an iPad you can work walking around, you can read lying in bed, the touch interface allows you do all kinds of things like paint by touch, play an musical instrument etc etc

what can a chromebook do that my laptop can't?
On the other hand my laptop can do a lot stuff a Chromebook cannot like use thousands of heavy duty desktop apps like Photoshop...

in short: an iPad extends computing by adding stuff a PC cannot do, a Chromebook doesn't extend anything but is simply an inferior PC.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
tonymcs@... 12th May 2011
@Davewrite

And if you get a cheap convertible Win 7 tablet you get all the benefits of a real computer.
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@MariaofColumbia
continuing 5 or when Apple break old software with updated that should not be pushed to older stuff at all.
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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 13th May 2011
@MariaofColumbia to a point I agree with you. Apple does have a massive app ecosystem and you can avoid all iOS updates if you'd want. There's also the jailbreak route ...

I think the differenc eis that Apple built on the iPod/iPhone ecosystem, Googole is going for something new here.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
Pete "athynz" Athens 13th May 2011
@MariaofColumbia Point 1: Where are you getting the $25/m figure? The $499 iPad is a wifi only device... and if one goes with the more expensive 3G/wifi version one is NOT locked into a 2 year contract but they are on a month to month contract... your point there is flawed.

Points 2 and 3 I can understand even as one who is "locked in" as I own an iPhone... the system does have drawbacks but I can always use my iPhone if 3G and wifi is down... not for surfing the web but most all of my apps, documents, music, and other media is readily accessible.

Point 4 - There are thousands of apps for the iOS platform and what 3-4 for the Chromebook at present? And those are web-based meaning if you lose connection to the internet you are pretty much hosed.

Point 5 Apple does NOT require one to install every update - those updates are not even really pushed to iTunes but iTunes will alert the user if there is an update available with a dialog box allowing the user to download and install, download only, or ignore.

I just wanted to point out the obvious misinformation in your post. Carry on.
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For something like this to work, it will have to be very cheap. Because, even though it's not clear, I think I wouldn't be able to store or watch movies on this. Maybe I can't even listen to MP3s locally and will have to use grooveshark or google music. Plus, I can't take it to a place that does not have network coverage. Basically, I think it's too restricted in it's functionality to command $350 even
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
Cylon Centurion 12th May 2011
"Data safe in the event of hardware failure or loss - If, for some reason, you have to replace a Chromebook, all your data is safely stored on Google?s servers , so getting back up and running is easy."

I'd hardly call that safe. Google has shown us multiple times that they cannot be trusted at all. Buzz, Wi-figate, etc. Not to mention this:

h t t p : / / w w w .dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1312294/Google-engineer-sacked-hacking-teenagers-accounts-befriend-them.html

"A computer engineer used his privileged status to spy on teenagers' Google email accounts, it has been revealed."
"In a series of worrying actions, the 27-year-old spent months looking at four children's Google accounts without their consent, it was claimed by U.S. website Gawker."

Who exactly at Google will be looking at my data? What third parties will have access to it?
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Amazing
WilErz 13th May 2011
@ Cylon Centurion 0005

It's amazing that Google's internal security policies are apparently so weak. Yet another reason not to trust data to a firm with such reckless disregard for privacy and intellectual property rights.
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RE: What's wrong with Google's Chromebook?
roodjevz Updated - 12th May 2011
I'd like to point out something that seems to elude many writers and folks who post to articles like these - there are many more of "them" than of "us". By "them", I mean people whose daily interaction with technology is more "perfunctory" and less "academic" way. Let's examine the phrase "most people I'm hearing from" ... Hmmm, let me guess - other attendees of GOOG/IO? Other IT or Tech-journo' folks? Developers? Graphic designers? Mostly people whose job requires them to do fairly technical things or have a deeper understanding of computers and the internet? Yeeeaaaah, I thought so. "We" are still a fairly small confraternity in the massive ocean of humanity that uses computers. "We" know to open up a terminal and run "netstat -a" on our MACS to check for a properly bound IP interface or to run "ipconfig /all" in a CMD window to do the same on our Wintel Machines. "We" are the de-facto tech guys and gals our far less savvy friends and families run to for help when they get a virus or have problems upgrading. "They" don't interact with computers the way "we" do. When I was finishing up my Computer Engineering Degree many many moons ago, my CE colleagues and I thought UNIX was the best thing since sliced bread. We could've sworn it was going to take over the world. But something happened on the way to glory (and by "glory", please remember that both Android and Chrome are Linux based). While we were programming our assignments via vt100 dumb terminals, everyone that had to write a term paper (including ourselves occasionally) was using things like WordStar and WordPerfect on a PC. Indeed, there were way more of "them" than "us". "We" have had to wait this long for UNIX variants to begin to "take over the world" in earnest, and yes, "we" will complain about the shortcomings of a web-only machine... but trust me... "THEY" are going to LOVE it.
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Adoption of anything takes time and this will be the same. We need to bear in mind what laptops are still the dominant device that the majority of the population and a transition to tablets and a new device category such as Chromebook will happen over time not overnight. I agree that it is not for everyone but only time will tell
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Cloud-based OS ..
thx-1138_@... 12th May 2011
will possibly work for business. But it's a deal breaker for Jane & Joe Public.

.. mark my words.
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For me I don't want to try. The web browser I used like Avant browser ,maxthon, firefox have a feature called online store, I use it to store my bookmarks, but occasionally It will empty my all bookmarks. Good news is that there exist a way to let you find them back Is the chromebooks has this function?
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Look at TCO
John Forbes 13th May 2011
According to an Intel document I found the TCO for a laptop in a 3 year refresh cycle is about $1200, so $1,008 for Chromebook may not be so bad. I'm sure Google have done their research on this.
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More and more companies are going the way of cloud computing. Talk about invasion of privacy and losing your identity then cloud computing it is. For me I will stay with my own programs loaded to my computers and my data stored local. Better security. Cloud computing is the last thing I would want to use.
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Cloud storage???
Work stops if there?s no WiFi or 3G or server goes down.
Very suspicion of cloud storage.
Uncomfortable with classified data on servers.
Not so sure of confidentiality.
There is always H-disc backup for safety of data.
I love my stand alone system, I love my independence, I love my privacy, I love the choice of been online or offline as I wish. Why should I be confined to the web at all times? I do not adhere to continual visibility on the web (Computer, cell phone, iPhone, iPod or otherwise).
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How about Print Drivers? The limited linux print drivers out there will really be a no-go.
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The worst aspect is the (non-)security
WilErz Updated - 13th May 2011
With a corporate/organisational PC, the IT department can implement multi-level security, and identify PCs behaving strangely. When naive users give their credentials to a hacker, it's pretty easy for an IT department to spot the unusual pattern of network activity, block all traffic from the device and notify the user.

With a Google-managed dumb terminal, once an attacker uses social engineering (or, less commonly, a software bug) to steal the credentials, the game is over. The attacker can silently pull all the user's data from the cloud, maliciously modify/vandalise/delete it at will and even prevent the user accessing it. Silent theft will probably go unnoticed until the hacker uses of the stolen data in a noticeable way. For more obvious attacks (e.g. vandalism or deletion), users will remain powerless until they've contact the service provider (Google, etc.), reported the intrusion, etc.

On the whole, it sounds like a security nightmare. A laptop running Windows and using drive-level encryption is better in every way.
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You call THAT Secure?
alan_r_cam 13th May 2011
Strip out all wireless connectivity - wireless is compromised.
Then strip out the reliance on an cloud servers.

That leaves you with - a dumb terminal. A keyboard and screen.

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