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Windows 8: App Store will be the only source of Metro apps

By | September 19, 2011, 1:33pm PDT

Summary: Microsoft has confirmed that its App Store will be the only place to get Metro apps for Windows 8.

Color me unsurprised - the Microsoft App Store will be the only way to get metro apps for Windows 8.

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This was confirmed by Microsoft at its BUILD conference last week.

Ted Dworkin, lead director for the Windows Store development team, spilled the beans at a BUILD session:

“We will be the only store for distribution of Metro-style apps.”

The reason, according to Dworkin, is security:

“We will examine every application that will be submitted to us, we will run a virus check and a malware check on every application.”

But Microsoft has an ulterior motive - cash. A 30% cut of all sales, a norm that Apple has established with its own App Store. Microsoft isn’t talking specifics yet, but Windows blogger Long Zheng uncovered Microsoft’s plans in an MSDN document (which has since been changed to remove the reference to the revenue split):

Following industry norms, developers pay a nominal yearly fee to upload apps to the Store, and receive 70% of the gross income from those apps (for paid apps and in-app purchases that use the default commerce engine). With this basic cost structure, the Store has many benefits…

The document also made reference to an activation limit for apps similar to that offered by Apple:

Any customer who pays for an app can install and use that app on up to 5 Windows Developer Preview devices, so that the app can engage that customer across a range of form factors.

There will be a free listing service for traditional non-Metro apps, as outlined by Antoine LeBlond, the VP of the Web services group:

We’re giving these Win32 apps a free listing service and exposing them to all of the hundreds of millions of Windows users.

Also mentioned are trial versions of apps and in-app purchasing.

Is any of this fixed in stone? Don’t bank on it. Here’s what’s right at the top of the document:

[This documentation is preliminary and is subject to change.]

While I think that Microsoft might make some cosmetic changes to how its app store works, I don’t expect the model to be that different to Apple’s iOS or Mac App Store. Devs will have to pay up to to get apps in the store, and there will be a revenue split.

One way that Microsoft could encourage devs to puts apps in the store is drop the revenue split on Metro apps for a period of time and allow devs to collect 100% of the revenue.

Did I hear someone say ‘walled garden’?

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Really? Extortion?
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 2nd Dec
@dsf3g, It is called markup. The difference in this case is that the dev controls the price.

Used to be pretty common for stores to have a 30% margin for profit, before big box retailers started cropping up. If both companies are making a profit than it is win-win in the trade. And so long as it is profitable you're not going to close shop.

You also seem to forget that it isn't just storing and distributing of the app, Apple and soon Microsoft will also be the payment processing center. The reality is that Apple's profit on that 99cent app is probably closer to 10% after paying the credit processors and etc. This is why this model has been so successful, and not just for Apple, but for individual devs. Devs can focus on making great apps, while Apple deals with Advertising, distribution, sales, credit processing, good grief you make it sound like they are being shook down. Apple has better leverage with credit processors than what individual devs could hope to get on their own.
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Even if they don't lower it to 0%
Michael Alan Goff 19th Sep
They should lower it to 10-15%, which would still give people the incentive to make the app for Windows.
@Michael Alan Goff I agree. All they really need to do is make it lower than Apple and devs will gladly build apps for Windows. It is already easier to build for Windows than Apple and being able to collect more for their apps would seriously encourage developers to build Windows apps.
@G Computer Network Easier?!
Visual Studio is already more fun to work with than the alternatives, at least for me.
@Jeremy-UK
>>Easier?!
nope, it is the easiest.
@G Computer Network
you guys.. must just be really familiar with Windows programming. Comparing ObjC/Cocoa with Xcode to Anything on Windows... including Visual Studio... I'd go the Apple route every time. Its MUCH easier, almost to the point of overwhelmingly simple.
@G Computer Network The volume will make the profits much larger anyway. Windows market share positively DWARFS all other OSes. Isn't this an anti-competitive issue for MS though since they are a monopoly?
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Bad choice. Especially now that even Google is admitting Javascript is inadequate and looking for their own SilverLight-like solution.
@LBiege

Likely because they will be better for tablet apps. Also, Metro is going to go places... so says Microsoft.
@Michael Alan Goff

100% agree. Apple's 30% cut is extortionate! I could see a 30% cut on 99 cent apps (because it costs Apple money to store and distribute the app) but on software taht sells for more than $10.00 the cut should be closer to 10%.
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Really? Extortion?
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 2nd Dec
@dsf3g, It is called markup. The difference in this case is that the dev controls the price.

Used to be pretty common for stores to have a 30% margin for profit, before big box retailers started cropping up. If both companies are making a profit than it is win-win in the trade. And so long as it is profitable you're not going to close shop.

You also seem to forget that it isn't just storing and distributing of the app, Apple and soon Microsoft will also be the payment processing center. The reality is that Apple's profit on that 99cent app is probably closer to 10% after paying the credit processors and etc. This is why this model has been so successful, and not just for Apple, but for individual devs. Devs can focus on making great apps, while Apple deals with Advertising, distribution, sales, credit processing, good grief you make it sound like they are being shook down. Apple has better leverage with credit processors than what individual devs could hope to get on their own.
to generate mea culpas from all those that posted negative comments about Apple's App Store business plan?

Personally, I don't expect to read too many comments about this topic from those pundits.
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The "walled garden approach"
Michael Alan Goff 19th Sep
@kenosha7777

it has its merits. I wonder if Microsoft will be able to make their Windows Tablet more of an "experience", like I know I can get from an iOS device?
@Michael Alan Goff

To be honest, I surely hope that Microsoft will NOT deliver the same experience as Apple does on the Ipad.

Of course I could always purchase a nice x86 tablet, and not be confined by the walled garden approach or whatever they call it.
I didn't mean the same experience, but an experience nonetheless. When I was using my iPod touch, everything just worked. There was no need for a workaround, there was no need for hoping, I knew it would just work.

I want that in a tablet.
@sjaak327
Don't worry, one of us would figure out how to break it.
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@Michael Alan Goff You get a bunch of squares. Each square does something. You can pick different squares. That's not an experience, its a big menu.
@kenosha7777 It's bad for Apple users, it's bad for Microsoft users. I guess I can give up on the wild fantasy that popped into my head that Windows 8 (or 9) could see me switching back to Windows from Linux. It looks like soon I'll be using the only OS left where the provider doesn't regulate what you can put on your PC. sad It isn't Apple I may have to render a mea culpa to; it's a man I normally disagree with, Richard Stallman.
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funny
bannedfromzdnetagainandagain 19th Sep
but, but apple had it all wrong. please pundits explain to us again, why apple had it all wrong, please.
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oneleft Updated - 19th Sep
@bannedfromzdnetagainandagain
to stop calling out the bloggers. You can argue with other posters but don't you dare call out one of the zdnet bloggers. Then you won't get banned again.
Sadly, by asking the pundits (really? uh, they're just bloggers, nothing more) to account for themselves you'll soon find yourself banned again.
Wrong move, I think 30% is excessive, that Apple does it too isn't an argument here.

Of course having used Visual Studio 2011, you can easily see that Microsoft does provide top notch developer tools. Building one of those metro apps is really easy.
@sjaak327
MS does the same thing with all its other stores (Xbox Live, WP7) and it doesnt hurt them at all, they have tons of support. Surely the most popular platform in the world that supports just about all app platforms languages can handle it.
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30% is pretty much the standard for consignment sales. The publishing industry typically grabs about 85%; the music industry about 70%. Prior to iBook, Amazon was grabbing 70% of all indie title sales.
@sjaak327

And if Microsoft came in at a lower percentage would some be crying anti-competitive tactics or claiming that Microsoft is using it's supposed monopoly to edge out the competition.

I think they would.
Seriously does any one expect Microsoft to give up this revenue stream? Apple identified it, Its customers OK'd it and now the rest of us have to live with it.
As for lowering the price to get more developers to develop for the platform, are you kidding MS will sell 100's of millions of this OS just like they did Win 7. If that is not incentive enough for you then please don't bother.
@nanderto
Actually, Xbox Live's Marketplace was doing this before any iOS device ever came around. Apple did not identify it.
meaning they collected about $300 million. For a company like Apple, that's a rounding error. Apple runs the App store to sell iPads and iPhones, not to make gobs of money.
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When Microsoft does it the suddenly it is a good thing? I read all the negative comments, about how Apple was charging a tax on Apps, are the same people going to chastise Microsoft for the same thing?
@Rick_Kl I don't know about other people, but I will. A tax is a tax. I feel like there are other alternatives for developers.
@Rick_Kl

Microsoft not supporting Flash = Good
Microsoft vetting apps (walled garden) = Good
Microsoft 30% cut on apps (walled garden) = Good
Microsoft requires Zune software for syncing phones (ala iTunes) = Good
Microsoft sues Android competitor(s) = Good

Apple does it = Bad
@dave95.

No. You really mean when Apple does it FIRST = Bad.
@kenosha7777

Right. My bad wink
@dave95.

Microsoft not supporting Flash = untrue

Microsoft vetting apps (walled garden) = Honestly, I think it is bad. yet the market is demanding more of a walled garden approach. I hope that this only affects Metro apps.

Microsoft 30% cut on apps (walled garden) = Same as above

Microsoft sues Android competitor(s) = Good. Well, yes. Microsoft has legitimate intellectual property and copyright complaints. Apple is suing Samsung because Samsung made a rectangular table.
@dave95.

Microsoft does support flash. You can launch the full version of IE on Windows 8 or instantly switch your MetroUI version of IE to the full version which supports flash.

As far as the rest goes I think Apple set the standard of 30% so why should others not get the same. What most people complain about the Apple App store is not the 30% cut it is the extra things they do like wanting more for items purchased within the App and essentially censoring apps that Apple doesn't want their customers to use. The market has called for a walled garden when it comes to apps because of all the malicious people out there. It's unfortunate but true. At any rate I don't think Microsoft will make you purchase an app again through the app store even though you already purchased it once outside the app store. Then again maybe they will and I will be one of the first ones to say they are just as bad as Apple then.

All that being said I think maybe Microsoft should set the percentage lower to like 20% or less but I could totally see someone suing for Anti-Competitive tactics or something because of that. That or complaining that Microsoft is once again trying to use it's "monopoly" to edge out the competition.
facebook@...
>>Microsoft vetting apps (walled garden) = ... yet the market is demanding more of a walled garden approach.
Where is your evidence for this?
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@sackbut

It is pretty clear that customers want a safe(er) place where they can choose Apps/Applications that will work with their device. Also the fact that Malware and compromised apps are quite common when downloaded from some sources on the internet. Just look at Android for example where compromised apps were installed mainly from outside the Android Market that compromised Android devices. Or the same on iOS for people that jailbroke their phones and installed Apps from outside the app store.

It is no different than when I tell people to use a reputable site like download.com to look for applications and utilities rather than just using a search engine.
@facebook Microsoft sues Android competitor(s) = Good. Well, yes. Microsoft has legitimate intellectual property and copyright complaints. Apple is suing Samsung because Samsung made a rectangular table.

So what you are saying is that Apple has no legitimate IP and copyright complaints? Even though Samsung was not sued over the original Galaxy Tab line nor was Motorola sued over the Xoom. Even though Samsung - with it's new Galaxy line - slavishly copied the iPad right down to the very packaging? So no, the suit filed by Apple was not about Samsung "...making a rectangular table."

@Dave95 and kenosha7777 - Right on! As our MIA NonZealot would say (although not in this particular case) Cue the Double Standards.
@dave95. No, all of those things are terrible for consumers, and most people will complain about them. But they'll complain even more vehemently about Apple and most of all, you personally, and well they should. Apple invented all of these terrible things and Apple consumers declared that they don't mind getting reamed by Apple and they're all in favor of things that hurt consumers so long as it helps large corporations' bottom line. In short, the reactions of Apple users have created the Frankenstein's monster that Microsoft is about to unleash on the world. Now, bash Linux all they want, it's going to be the only free as in freedom desktop OS left where a company isn't telling you what you can and can't install on it.
Yet another reason Metro won't be running on my pc's. But if they think they can stop anybody from sideloading on a regular pc or tablet they are smoking crack.
How the heck is Microsoft going to enforce this without enforcing it for conventional Windows programs? What's to stop someone from running an installer than installs a Metro app? Will Microsoft scan the program to determine its interface? Have some type of encrypted database in place that a Metro app must be register itself to via the app store? This is crazy!
Oh, and hackers will find a way around it before Windows is even officially released. wink
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Spit it out man!
johnfenjackson@... 19th Sep
M$ corporate strategy.

1. Put a wall between x86 and METRO but leave both to keep the peasants happy.

2. Charge 30% on METRO like the Apple robber baron.

3. Migrate consumers towards METRO.

4. Migrate businesses towards public clouds in M$ datacentres.

5. Continue charging the current exhorbitant business rate despite advances in computing power.

End strategy.

Does anyone on ZDNET have the nerve to propose a counter strategy? I doubt it.
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Bring on the whiplash
Robert Hahn 19th Sep
Woe is us! Soon they will tie us to the railroad tracks and stand over us in their top hats cackling while they fondle their handlebar moustaches.
@johnfenjackson@... What is this "M$" you keep referring to? There is NO such company called M$ so why not chill with the elementary school insults and call it Microsoft? That coupled with your referring to Apple as a "robber baron" tells me that you are one of the few Linux fanboys here.

I'm sure there will be a legal workaround with this Metro app thing just like there is a legal workaround in regards to the 30% Apple is charging.
@Pete "athynz" Athens If Microsoft is locking down (half of) its OS and Apple's locking down its OS, then someone who speaks favorably of Linux isn't a "fanboy" at this point; they're using the only desktop OS left on the planet that lets you install whatever you want to. That's no more being a "fanboy" than saying Windows runs a lot of software makes one a "fanboy"; they're both undeniable truths.
Unlike with android they are protecting users from malware, apps that drain your battery, etc. 30% of gross is not bad for cheap apps but they should identify a cap whereby they aren't still doing that for $99 or $499 apps.
@Johnny Vegas
its the user's job to protect themselves. If we give up a little freedom for security we will soon have neither freedom or security. I don't want MS between me and other vendors substituting their judgement for mine.
@rshol,

"its the user's job to protect themselves"

Sure enough, but what you don't seem to except is that a users can protect themselves by buying into the wall garden. Grandma does not want to spend hours each week keeping up on the latest attack vectors. How many hours / months / years did you spend developing that judgement of your? Do you really think everybody that use a computer wants spend all that time just to be achieve similar judgement abilities?
@YaBaby for the first 350 years of Windows' existence, we didn't need a "walled garden". You went to the store and bought software. Period. There are no "attack vectors" when you're buying legitimate software from legitimate vendors. It's not an exercise that requires twenty hours a week of work.
No one's clamoring for this.
"app can install and use that app on up to 5 Windows"
usualy a normal non free app can only be innstalled on 1 pc or max up to 3. Any grater numbers ar considered business or eneterprice usage.
so, this is actullay good.

is the yearly fee for dev unlock?
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I am a developper, i really do not like to have to be taxed 30 % of my earning just to have my applications sold trough a store. I think 10 to 15 % should be sufficient enough, especially assuming the number of apps which could sold if Windows 8 takes off.
Off course i don't expect companies as greedy as both Apple and Microsoft to charge less as it would hurt their profits.
It seems to me that i will live over 99 % of my time in the desktop mode. It is however unfortunate that Microsoft will still not support virtual desktops natively on Windows 8.

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