Criminologically speaking: If technology is not to blame for the London riots, what or who is?

By | August 10, 2011, 2:59pm PDT

Summary: Taking the criminological perspective, I attempt to dissect the Generation Y gang culture in Britain, and see how it connects to the ongoing rioting.

People aren’t born angry. Something has to make people angry.

Technology has been blamed for the riots in London and major cities around the United Kingdom. Though social media is not to blame, nor is BlackBerry Messenger directly implicated — though it was used to perpetuate violence — technology is not the demon in this.

Technology is the middle-ground for which people use to do other things. It’s as simple as that. So, if technology is not to blame: what, or who is?

Many children today do not represent the quintessential image that adults have in their idealistic and optimistic minds. Children kicking soccer balls and skipping ropes on lush green fields and coming in for a cool drink prepared by a loving parent once the sun sets.

One of the problems with society is that we over-generalise and lump in one extreme to another.

But so many of the children and young people in the deprived areas London, Manchester, and in other British cities rioting and looting, are only so in body. In mind, they are adults, because they have been forced to adjust to the harsh realities of what life really brings.

In this rare off-topic article, I explore the younger Generation Y’s gang culture in London and theorise how rioting spread from what was initially a peaceful protest. It’s a long piece, but it offers some theoretical explanations as to why.


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Though I do not condone the violence or the criminal activity, part of my role as a criminologist is to objectively empathise — a paradox to some — in order to understand why crime occurs, leading thus into how society can prevent it.

While there is certainly “no justification for this level of violence” — a soundbite resonated through every broadcast of the day — there are, however, reasons for it.

Generation Y gang culture in London

Gangs and violence are not mutually exclusive. It isn’t just the typical young ‘youth’ boys rioting and looting, but girls also. Girls are just as likely to be involved in the gang culture as boys, and London has its fair share of gangs as will every other city on the planet.

While many vilify gang culture in London, it is a crucial part of the Generation Y’s culture in the capital. A gang does not automatically mean it will be violent, commit criminal acts and hold abusive attitudes and behaviour.

As one fellow criminological colleague of mine told me, a Londoner herself, the term ‘gangs’ is another way of saying ‘informal families’; collectives of people for familial support amongst those of their own generation, because they may not have the traditional parental reinforcement.

Gangs, in her experience, may cause violence, but the most want to give the impression that they are self-dependent though not a force to be reckoned with — merely a defensive mechanism to prevent further harm from their already fragile childhoods.

The rational choice of rioting and positive role models

One significant factor to take into account is the opportunity that rational choice theory presents us. In short, we rationally choose not to commit crime or disorder and vice versa. The lack of police on the streets of London during the initial uprising led to images of rioting and looting appeared initially to go unpunished, which can go towards partly blaming for uprising in other areas of the country.

In terms of rioting, young juveniles are more likely to commit crime in groups or with others. This is more prevalent in groups or gangs where there are no positive role models, or there has been a sudden loss of one.

This leads me to sub-cultural theory. Communities are living, breathing social organisms. Each culture — whether this be a community, a street, an ethnic group or a socio-economic class, for example — will have a deviant sub-culture. These conflict subcultures are the ones rioting — not necessarily the criminal subcultures, which deal in the black market economy in drugs and suchlike. Criminal subcultures could benefit from the conflict subcultures’ looting, by the selling of stolen goods, for example.

These deviant subcultures are in effect violent gangs and hostile groups, and can be classed by membership, short-term hedonism, and non-utilitarianism. This forms part of status frustration — a culture clash between those who seemingly have everything and those who have little, and struggle to survive in Western society.

Combining both sub-cultural theory with lacking police numbers and rational choice theory, we find opportunity theory — where crime is committed based on the opportunity presenting itself. If the car isn’t locked, it’s more likely to be stolen than one that is.

The police and the state

Though now — as over 16,000 police officers cover the streets of London to heighten the law enforcement presence to resist further unlawful activity — only now are we seeing the carrot and the stick approach, almost to ‘coax’ people away from rioting.

State housing authorities say that those caught on CCTV rioting face eviction from their houses, for example.

While these measures come from central and local government, these entities are detached from the vast majority of the young, deprived children and families engaged in the violence. It falls down to the police knowing what is best — as police are, as many seem to forget, people too — and know their local areas well. The police should be the ones dealing with those in their local communities, rather than politicians in Downing Street pontificating with wide-ranging language and “policy initiatives” which take an inappropriate broad stroke at societal smaller problems.

The UK’s coalition government has little to call its own in terms of youth-specific policy, and the policy that does target young people has been immensely unpopular amongst the younger generation.

Besides tuition fees — need I say more — many of these policies focus on schooling and education, and forget the ‘rioting generation’ as we have seen this week, are not within the conventional realms of schooling and education.

Who to blame?

Should we blame the parents? In short, yes, but not entirely. Legally, parents can be prosecuted for the actions of their childrens’ delinquency — even in middle-class settings such as school truancy. But it is the fault of those who commit acts of rioting and looting, destruction and violence — regardless of age. It is, on the other hand, just as much as it is the fault of state and local government for not mobilising policy at the smaller sub-cultures that are disaffected by wider, middle- to higher-class society.

There is clearly an inter-generational problem, particularly between parents and children. Local community leaders, such as priests, members of Parliament and youth workers, only appeal to those who are within the legitimate and law-abiding members of society, with criminal ‘underdogs’ only appealing to the criminal groups and gangs. Yet, both are just as influential as one another.

In short, we cannot just blame those on the street. Society appears as though it is breaking down, and will take time to recover, but in fact it has been broken for some time. It takes a while for the already-cracked crockery to break.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

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Anyone seen the British PM's speech response?
Shinsengumi 23rd Aug
@zwhittaker
here: http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/pms-speech-on-the-fightback-after-the-riots/

It's very illuminating. It shows several things:

1. The British politicians know a lot more than they tell us. They are more aware of the 'commonsense' issues than they will ever admit - it has been to their advantage so far to pretend they don't. 'Honest Ignorance' is a better defence than willful Ignorance.
2. They want their criminal pie (cocaine & prostitute parties, theft of tax monies, bribery, corruption, crime of all kinds) but the rioters are expected not to want their slice of the criminal pie. The old adage comes to mind "don't lie, cheat, or steal - the Government hates competition"
3. It takes violent civil unrest to force those in Government to finally pretend to be honest. It takes some terrible criminal catastrophe that rocks the very fabric of social order to force the politicians to finally say something commonsense and honest. Whether they actually do anything in line with what they say is, well, another matter entirely. Whilever the host compliantly slumbers, the parasites happily continue their feeding frenzy. I think it's a case now, of resorting to emergency measures - telling some form of commonsense truth, *gasp* - in order to calm the host down.

The PM -knows- that Police are being mis-used as tax collectors on Motorists - he admits it in his speech. He knows Police are being rendered ineffective at fighting crime due to paperwork overload. He knows government bureaucracy punishes honest citizens, and completely misses the criminal elements. He knows all of this. And, I bet the rest of the politicians with a handful of brain cells to rub together do too. But it takes complete catastrophe to force them to bother about it.

The point I make is this: It's decades of flagrant "do as we say, not as we do" from all of our 'governing representatives" which has fed this fire. Those who don't have anything to lose ask "why should we have morals, ethics, or any regard for anyone else either?" It's only the middle class, with work ethics and some morals, that is keeping society sane. This is the middle class that Govt policies are doing their best to eradicate. The middle class that bears increasing Govt paperwork and legislatory burdens; that groans under the penalties of more and more govt red tape. More and more politically-correct welfare state legislation that literally encourages people to suckle from the State Nipple and stay degradingly dependent on it.

So, the hide of Politicians getting a bit of a shock when the lower socio-economic elements they "represent" actually turn around and outwork their worldviews and mindsets, albeit in a far cruder and violent manner than they envision... it's laughable.

The sad thing is, so many decent people have tried to speak out on these issues over the decades, but the Media + Govt machine howls them down with bilious attacks, and the silent majority gives approval by their silence. Well, they're getting a harbinger of what the crop they've planted will look like...
Very nice article, thanks. Follow-up question: how did England get to where they are today?
@ScottBraden In what way, exactly? From the Roman days, or why the riots started?
@zwhittaker

effete socialism, high unemployment and an economy that cannot fund the social programs that the UK has committed to.
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Richard Flude Updated - 18th Aug
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@zwhittaker
My English husband would agree with facebook@ and Richard Flude.

The reasons that they state are why it took less than 5 minutes to determine whether we would live in the UK or the US.
@zwhittaker

Riot is only the symtom, the root cause is the in-balance of people's minds.

I think people did not meat to burn the building, they just wanted to express something.

Balance = peace
in-balance = irritation

I think social confilics is root cause;
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Tipping point
doctordawg 12th Aug
@zwhittaker Billions spent on illegal wars with no repercussions, there's enough money for billionaire bailouts but not education or healthcare, Cameron's press guy is in bed with Murdoch and his out of control wiretappers, Scotland Yard's top cop caught taking bribes, the poor PM has to cut his "vacation" short over outrage that there's no money for little Johnny's college or medication...

Nope, no idea what or who is to blame. An eyewitness claims father-of-four Duggan is shot while face down on the street. No one remembers the subway shooting of an innocent Brazilian man after 7/7 where police lied about a long black coat and wires and jumped turnstiles etc.? No?

Even though poster @Richard Flude probably attended a public school, and if not, certainly DIDN'T pay his own way through grammar school, he's never taken anything from the government - not the public education his doctors and professors received to competently take care of his needs, not the socialized military hunting terrorists in every alley, not the roads he drives or the air he breathes or the toilets he flushes or Grandma's hip operation or pandemic his health services prevented from killing him, no, he's a self-made man who chose his parents wisely.

Good on you, sir. Those rioters and panhandlers should be water-cannoned, and be done with it.
Where to you think the money comes from when your not borrowing it against my and future generations incomes.

I've never defended the bailouts, actually arguing the government should have stayed out.

The NHS in the UK is a joke, my money wasted in building it.

Now we are blamed for the riots as well!
It was the trigger-happy cop who shot an unarmed man that started it. He's a big a criminal as all the rioters.
@zwhittaker

You need to make a correction to your article. I really don't think you meant what you said in, "Gangs and violence are not mutually exclusive. " Of course they are not "mutually exclusive". It looks like you REALLY meant so say something more like, "Gangs and violence do not always go together", or "Gangs and violence are not always concomitant".

After all, the popular perception is that gangs and violence DO always go together. This is certainly easy to believe in the states where the gangs seem to all be forced into one of the great divides between very violent gangs, such as Crips and Bloods.
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@zwhittaker
here: http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/pms-speech-on-the-fightback-after-the-riots/

It's very illuminating. It shows several things:

1. The British politicians know a lot more than they tell us. They are more aware of the 'commonsense' issues than they will ever admit - it has been to their advantage so far to pretend they don't. 'Honest Ignorance' is a better defence than willful Ignorance.
2. They want their criminal pie (cocaine & prostitute parties, theft of tax monies, bribery, corruption, crime of all kinds) but the rioters are expected not to want their slice of the criminal pie. The old adage comes to mind "don't lie, cheat, or steal - the Government hates competition"
3. It takes violent civil unrest to force those in Government to finally pretend to be honest. It takes some terrible criminal catastrophe that rocks the very fabric of social order to force the politicians to finally say something commonsense and honest. Whether they actually do anything in line with what they say is, well, another matter entirely. Whilever the host compliantly slumbers, the parasites happily continue their feeding frenzy. I think it's a case now, of resorting to emergency measures - telling some form of commonsense truth, *gasp* - in order to calm the host down.

The PM -knows- that Police are being mis-used as tax collectors on Motorists - he admits it in his speech. He knows Police are being rendered ineffective at fighting crime due to paperwork overload. He knows government bureaucracy punishes honest citizens, and completely misses the criminal elements. He knows all of this. And, I bet the rest of the politicians with a handful of brain cells to rub together do too. But it takes complete catastrophe to force them to bother about it.

The point I make is this: It's decades of flagrant "do as we say, not as we do" from all of our 'governing representatives" which has fed this fire. Those who don't have anything to lose ask "why should we have morals, ethics, or any regard for anyone else either?" It's only the middle class, with work ethics and some morals, that is keeping society sane. This is the middle class that Govt policies are doing their best to eradicate. The middle class that bears increasing Govt paperwork and legislatory burdens; that groans under the penalties of more and more govt red tape. More and more politically-correct welfare state legislation that literally encourages people to suckle from the State Nipple and stay degradingly dependent on it.

So, the hide of Politicians getting a bit of a shock when the lower socio-economic elements they "represent" actually turn around and outwork their worldviews and mindsets, albeit in a far cruder and violent manner than they envision... it's laughable.

The sad thing is, so many decent people have tried to speak out on these issues over the decades, but the Media + Govt machine howls them down with bilious attacks, and the silent majority gives approval by their silence. Well, they're getting a harbinger of what the crop they've planted will look like...
@ScottBraden: Your asking the wrong question. The question is how are thousands of young men learning BBM to manage riots and insurrections? It's not a simple task, so somebody's teaching BBM riot management to the lads. Just like they did in Egypt & Libya.
@ScottBraden This is a good question. Unfortunately, it is also a question which, when asked, spurs a lot of impassioned but uninformed replies.
A conservative government, stratified society where everyone is supposed to know their place, high unemployment, wars past and present and an economy in the dustbin.

Now what was your question again?
@tonymcs@... That conservative government must be really powerful if in just over a year it managed to reverse all the "good" indoctrination of a decade of Labour government.
@Shadeburst The Conservatives have shown us yet again how much easier it is to destroy than to build.
Delinquent Parents, Rampant Consumerism, years of neglect by right-wing governments a recipe for disaster.
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The Tories / Liberal Democrats coalition could hardly be described as right-wing.

You could have written :


"...year and a bit of neglect by centre-right government is a recipe for disaster.";-)
@Richard Flude Fair enough. The state cannot take the place of parents. Moral education starts at home.
@Richard Flude Any coalition with the Tories in it is right-wing. Schizophrenically so, when the coalition is with "Liberal Democrats" (who are not always so liberal, despite the name).

But on another point, sure the state cannot take place of parents, but when the parents themselves don't do it, who else will step in and at least partially fill that role?
@Richard Flude Yes, he could have written that. But he did not. Probably because he knows better. Why don't you?
@jatbains How many parents have enough education in moral philosophy to pass along anything more than a spanking? If we stay away from religion where does one find a moral code?
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Moral Philosophy
Shadeburst 12th Aug
@uaamf@... Philosophy is not a system of answers. It is a system for asking questions. What on earth gives you the notion that moral codes are exclusive to religion?
@uaamf@... I as a parent have the morals to pass them on to my children who are moral people themselves. Contrary to your belief I did not need religion to tell me how to be a good person, that came with common sense. If you were correct in your statement I would probably be the worst of criminals as I have only been to church twice in my life apart from weddings and funerals.
@uaamf@... Where else can we find it? Where do you think secular states have been finding it all these years? They found it in the Niccomachean Ethics of Aristotle and in the Lives of Plutarch, the first of which makes no religious references, the 2nd makes only those that are easily explained away as metaphorical.
@jatbains The problem with that is that the right-wing governments haven't BEEN in power for years over there. Unless you consider Labour "right wing". But no one will take you seriously if you do.
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Finger Pointing is to Blame
{i}Pan~ 10th Aug
Playing the blame game is the major culprit.
People aren't born civilized, either. Someone has to make them civilized. When that doesn't happen, you get what we have here: wild animals with really big brains who have mastered the use of fire and encrypted telecommunications.

What we need to fix this are more social programs to render adult males irrelevant in their children's lives. Last I heard, nearly half of the children still live with their biological fathers in the home. That cannot continue. We need more wild animals, more looting, and more fires. Remember, a fatherless society is a burning society.
@Robert Hahn Agreed it starts with the home. Bad parenting cannot be supplanted by the state. A sense of entitlement only adds to the problem.
@jatbains
It is when the state sets out to supplant parenting that you get bad parenting. When some 20-year-old guy's kids are better off financially if he disappears and the mother marries the state, the state is in the business of wrecking homes and ultimately creating this mess. It's all done for the best intentions, which is why they use the stuff to pave the road to Hell.
@jatbains But this is just making scapegoats out of "bad parents", who are always too easy to blame. After all, so many parents thinks they are better parents than all the parents around them, ignoring the mathematical impossibility of this claim.
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After all, the BBC offers the following opinion on why the riots may have stopped:

"after a huge police operation and bad weather helped prevent a fifth night of trouble."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk

"Fair weather rioters", it would seem... wink
@Zogg I must admit, this made me laugh! Thanks for sharing this happy
@zwhittaker But it would not be the first time bad weather put a stop to an unfortunate battle.
3rd generation on the dole, and you wonder where the sense of hopelessness comes from?
ZW completely misses the main point. The "missing character" from this play is once again a society that has seen a growing gap between haves and have nots. I the 80s, (I was there), there were riots that were conveniently characterised as race riots. They may have had racial connections, or instigating events. However, THEY WERE NOT RACE RIOTS. The media conveniently labelled them, and they were widely accepted as such because that way, no direct blame for actual and complicated causes need be laid.

Fact is, they were poverty riots. I lived in Leicester, and watched a riot progress down my street from my flat window. A crowd of people whose race matched the average diversity of Leicester at the time, were being moved down the street by a phalanx of police backed up with horses and vehicles. They turned a corner, and promptly, a van and a Range Rover pulled up below me, and masked men stepped out, I heard a window smash, and the men proceeded to load up the vehicles with TVs and furnishings.

I state those eye-witness facts, in order to set several presumptions straight.

Today, it is (amazingly) just the same situation as it was then. A neo-con government is dishing out austerity to the poor while the crooks who started the whole thing are still rich, and above justice. There is an entire subculture who did not participate in the wealth of the boom years (but were supported by it in the welfare state), who are now having their entitlements removed. They may not be to everyone's taste as a victim, but I would argue that supporting them is more palatable than the merchant banker twats that brought the whole pack of cards down on top of them.

It is just a pity that the poor are attacking the slightly richer (and hard pressed) middle classes, instead of taking it to Chelsea and Buckinghamshire.
@dimonic Could all you anti capitalism left wingers please find someplace where you can create your own country and go there. The rest of the world will sit back enjoying the low taxes due to not supporting half the nation and watch as you realize you don't have other people's money to spend anymore. I am sure there are plenty of areas big enough for all of you that are full of people willing to take responsibility for themselves and will swap places so they can work for what they get.
@non-biased I thought you billionaires (which I'm sure you're not) were going to build your own floating libertarian paradises? We ARE "the rest of the world". According to Ayn Rand we're all supposed to suffer and miss you if you go away. I'm still waiting for that to happen. Of course, I guess you won't even have a full boat because Warren Buffett just came out and suggested that the wealthy aren't paying their fair share and need to be taxed more. Bill Gates has already shared similar sentiments.
@dimonic WIth eye-witness accounts, there is always the danger of extrapolating inaccurately to over-generalize. But I think you have avoided that danger here. Yes, neocon politics are a large part of the problem, and there has been a lot of noise both in the press as a whole and even in this forum trying to cover up this fact.

Consider, for example, all those people sanctimoniously proclaiming that "moral education begins at home". Well, fine and good. But how did you forget, you who sanctimoniously declaim, that moral education does not END in the home? It continues, it grows or it dies on the vine.

"Die on the vine" sounds like an apt expression for the moral education of the criminals who swept aside the wealth of the working and middle classes in the financial crisis of 2008, pocketing it for themselves. They continue to do the same today, under cover of "austerity programs".

This is the root cause of the intense outrage, not any deficit of moral education in the home. It is the deficit of moral education in business and government that is doing it.
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Zwort 11th Aug
Speaking as someone with a qualification in forensic psychology, no. The convicts now include the daughter of a millionaire, an organic chef, an undergrad, other students, a postman, and on it goes. So no, no, no. There has for some 13 years been a permissive climate, during which punishment has receded from the list of fears, and reward has been doled out so liberally that there is now little to anticipate. You will probably know Olds and Milner and other stuff. Why don't you sit there and consider the brain chemistry here? This nice chatty stuff does not work. The family, basic source of initial discipline, has been under attack from Labour; schools are now places where teachers fear the children - a friend of mine will no longer teach because of this - and the list of socially engineered nonsense goes on, right down to the booze culture egged on by Labour's opening hours, the easy availability of credit to buy booze and whatever else our impecunious population wants. Bear also in mind from the photographs that many of these people were not teenagers, and that some of them had not even left school.

No. Rethink it. I give you 4 out of ten for trying.
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Interesting parallel
sboverie 11th Aug
@Zwort
Anthony Burgess wrote a book called "The Wanting Seed" about a dysfunctional overpopulated future. A sub text of the book was about two faces of the government. The first was called "Pelagian" for the optimistic view that people are good and the other was called "Augustinian" which takes the view that people are disposed to poor behavior and need to be whipped.

What you described sounds like the Pelagian approach and the beginning of the Augustinian approach to deal with the poor and criminals. The dole was to help people but the problem remains chronic; the next step is to deal harshly with them.

The Pelagian/Augustinian concept is far too simple to apply to what is going on. But, it does shine a bit of light on how governments switch between being wet hankie do gooders to harsh police state tactics.
@Zwort What little credibility your unverified claim of "qualification in forensic psychology" gave you, you yourself ripped into shreds and threw away when you claimed that the family "has been under attack from Labour". So you don't even get a 4 out of ten.
Personally I believe that a instituting a round of "urban skeet shoot practice" might just shake up the "entitlists" and hopefully help them realize that the world is not their personal fruit tree. It's far past time for them to come face to face with some REAL authority for a change.
Another tactic would be for the police to play their own "tweet game" by sending out disguised messages inviting to a "special location" where they can be surrounded & "detained". Let the "entitlists" learn something REAL about limits on "personal freedom".
Saying technology is to blame for this is like saying that guns are to blame, not the person pulling the trigger or that cars are to blame, not the drunk behind the wheel. Technology is a tool that can be misused, don't blame the zeroes and ones.
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Re: Criminology speaking
STAN113 11th Aug
The rioters are a victim of social efforts to feed, house, and clothe people by any government. Any human that receives a vast amount of services without having to pay for the services from their own pockets will come to the conclusion that they "are entitled" to those services and more. It is a very base logic capability that any base human understands. We all know that the reality is that someone actually has to pay for those things. But some of us are not base humans and can see beyond our own selves. The point is that "Sense of entitlement" is a real thing. My sister-in-law, a retired social worker in the U. S., worked directly for 30+ years with people in need of government assistance and if the subject of, "where the assistance came from", was discussed, they wouldn't have a clue. My sister-in-law is a very compassionate person and truly believes in the expansion of social benefits therefore I trust her judgement that these people were honest about their evident ignorance.
@STAN113 - Spot on! The entitled simply watched the example set by the government and optimized the process. They reduced overhead by eliminating the middleman (the government). The process of having the government take money from those who worked for it and redistributing it to them is expensive. It is much more cost effective to "go direct" and take things.

Yes, there are people who need help. We need to help them. Governments around the world have used this to gain control over the whole of the population.
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Entitled
sboverie 11th Aug
@STAN113
Interesting point about entitlement. The fine point is determining who needs help and who needs encouragement. It is the "Give a man a fish and he will eat for the day, teach a man to fish and he can eat the rest of his life" turned upside down into "give a man a fish and he will eat for the day, try to teach him to fish and he settles for the free fish instead".

There is a dignity in earning the things you have in life. If one person works extra hours to buy a certain car, he will probably take better care of it than someone else who gets it for free. The difference is knowing the cost in sweat and appreciating the effort to make something happen instead of waiting for a handout.
@sboverie@...

You have completely missed the point. Neocon politics are destroying the very conditions that make it possible to "teach him to fish".

Worse, they are destroying much more than that. They are destroying the entire economy, taking people who really DID "know how to fish" and forcing them out into the ranks of the poor, while making those already poor even poorer.
I have not heard any reports of riots in Wales or Scotland where I believe there are high levels of unemployment
Technology has provided the "everyone" who is a winner with the ability to show a presence, without any guarantee of cogency or worth-whileness of thought. That one can bloviate in public does not establish value. Leaving edition of written works to computer programs is like parentless child-rearing.

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