Fury Friday: Mobile devices without copy and paste

Fury Friday: Mobile devices without copy and paste

Summary: Fury Friday: I'll be jumping on the soapbox each Friday and letting rip into the things of the week that have annoyed the living daylights out of me. This week: mobile devices without copy and paste

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Every Friday, I'll be jumping on the soapbox and letting rip into the things of the week that have annoyed the living daylights out of me. Think of a dumbed down version of Peter Griffin's 'Grind my Gears'

When the iPhone 3.0 update arrived early last year, the buzz was like no other. There was so much hype and excitement, partly and mostly because one crucial feature was added to the device: cut, copy and paste.

BlackBerry's have had copy and paste for years, just as the Treo and Windows Mobile devices. It was built into the mobile operating system and allows users to work transiently on their mobile, away from the computer.

But though Windows Mobile had copy and paste, the new and improved Windows Phone 7 with an overhauled user interface and name, though vastly still the same, will be updated soon with the missing copy and paste feature.

Why did it not have it in there by standard when it was released initially?

Considering it's a touch screen device, it is arguably more difficult to type than that of a mobile QWERTY-keyboard, let alone a standard one. Plus, the vast majority of devices allow 'windows' and applications to run behind others, making task switching possible. Therefore, it would be wise to install a copy and paste function to rip text from one place and then to another.

Even as a non-developer, the code must be relatively minimal. I can't think for the life of me why there are still phones out there being released in the second decade in of a new millennium which still don't have such a rudimentary function.

Grrrawr.

Topics: Smartphones, Hardware, Mobility, Wi-Fi

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  • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

    First of all, Windows Phone 7 us not an overhauled user interface and is not a re-hash of the old Windows Mobile. It was built from scratch; a whole new OS.

    Case in point, Windows Phone 6.x was built upon Windows CE 6 Embedded, whereas Windows Phone 7's foundation is built on top of Windows CE 7 Embedded. These two foundations are totally different, like day and night.

    So it's not a matter of rehashing old code, it's a matter of re-creating the Cut 'n Paste functionality from scratch.

    As a past developer, I can tell you that this is NOT a minimal amount of code, since it must be integrated in the very base/foundation of the OS, since it will interact with everything that is installed (including 3rd party apps). Not an easy task if you really think about it.

    Additionally, there are some Windows Phone 7 devices that will have physical keyboards, but that in itself, has nothing to do with Cut 'n Paste.

    If you'd check your resources, you would discover that there has been no other phone in this "new millennium" that has launched with copy 'n paste. It's taking several generations to get there and here Microsoft is, adding it in with a simple Over-The-Air update in a few weeks into their 1st release of Windows Phone 7 (version 1.0.0). That's remarkable!

    In summary, I don't mean to sound mean, but you really should have done a little more research before making those statements. It shows how little you really know about Windows Phone 7. I expect more from ZDNet than unresearched opinions.
    gadgets@...
    • The Work-Around = Pen & Paper

      @gadgets@... You are just making excuses for why Microsoft didn't include Copy & Paste.<br><br>The iPhone was released in January 2007. Almost 4 years ago. It also didn't have apps.<br><br>It is not 2007 any more. Microsoft thinks it can repeat what was available in 2007, and release a phone with few apps, and no Copy & Paste.<br><br>It amounts to a dysfunctional phone. If you're writing an email on Windows Phone 7, you cannot swap the order of 2 paragraphs.<br><br>You cannot quote a paragraph from a web page and put it in a document. We're talking about basic stuff here.<br><br>If you buy a Windows Phone 7 handset, there is a work-around for no Copy & Paste. The answer: Carry with you some Pen & Paper.
      Vbitrate
      • Wow, what a time warp you just created!!!

        @gyepera <br>Let's go back 2 years, shall we? I'll fix up your post to make it factually accurate for 2008:<br><i>Windows Mobile was released in 2001. Almost 7 years ago. It had few apps back then.<br><br>It is not 2001 any more. Apple thinks it can repeat what was available in 2001, and release a phone with few apps, and no Copy & Paste.<br><br>It amounts to a dysfunctional phone. If you're writing an email on iPhone, you cannot swap the order of 2 paragraphs.</i><br><br>Can you remind me gyepera, did Apple manage to sell more than a handful of iPhones?
        NonZealot
      • Its only a problem when it Apple

        When it's MS it gets apologised for. Where have you been?
        Richard Flude
      • Wow. Logical fallacies and 'double-standards' from NZ. What a surprise. :|

        "Windows Mobile was released in 2001. Almost 7 years ago. It had few apps back then." Didn't gadgets@... just say that Windows 7 Phone is a totally new mobile OS, or is s/he wrong? If it is a new OS, way to drop the ball Micros~1 (yes, like Apple)! If not, why <i>drop</i> a feature that was mocked for being missed in the iPhone?

        "It is not 2001 any more. Apple thinks it can repeat what was available in 2001, and release a phone with few apps, and no Copy & Paste." Apple have since rectified this and multi-tasking (something else Windows 7 Phone is presently incapable of doing), so that is moot. Were is WM6 now Zealot?

        "...did Apple manage to sell more than a handful of iPhones?" After the 3Gs was release, including copy and paste, yes.

        Now for my 'fallacy'; you fanboys (Apple included) need to be less touchy and prissy, especially those that claim not to be Zealots.
        webmaster@...
      • That's funny

        @Richard Flude, wasn't it you making appologies when it was iPhone that didn't have cut and paste?
        John Zern
    • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

      @gadgets@...
      Windows Phone 7 is not a whole new OS. It is based on Windows CE 6 (like the Zune HD) where windows mobile 6.5 was still based on the old Windows CE 5.
      IE11
  • Don't buy the first Windows Phone 7 handsets.

    Good article. But the answer is, don't buy such a phone.

    The first batch of Windows Phone 7 handsets will be missing all sorts of things. Copy & Paste is probably the worst omission, as it is such a basic function.

    If a phone can't move text, then it should not be considered a smartphone. Moving text may not be something everyone does every day (though many do), but when you need to do it, it will be infuriating when you can't.

    Copy & Paste existed in the Apple Lisa in 1983. It is unforgivable that Windows Phone 7 still cannot do it.
    Vbitrate
    • Ah, so we've now defined the unforgivable threshold?

      @gyepera
      [i]Copy & Paste existed in the Apple Lisa in 1983. It is unforgivable that Windows Phone 7 still cannot do it.[/i]

      Devices have precisely 16 years to implement copy and paste. Any longer and it is unforgivable. Hey, what a coincidence, iPhone got copy and paste 16 years after the Apple Lisa had it!!!
      NonZealot
    • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

      @gyepera

      oops already did. Four turned up today after waiting 2 weeks (warehouses sold out on first day)

      Upgrading from my WinMo. Did a lot of work on it. Used Copy and Paste about twice. Think I can wait a few months for that really, really, important feature to appear and upgrade automatically. I'll just have to limp along until then. </sarcasm>
      tonymcs@...
  • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

    You have to ask yourself if you really use this feature, and if so how much? My phone has copy and paste but I rarely if ever use it. Those people lucky enough to get their hands on the first batch of WP7 need not worry. Copy & paste is coming, so really this complaint is moot.
    Loverock Davidson
    • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

      @Loverock Davidson I must admit, I do use it quite a lot. But that's usually from when I find bits on the mobile web, email it to people or myself for later reference.
      zwhittaker
      • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

        @zwhittaker

        You can share a link to a webpage from IE without C&P in WP7. If you expand the app bar at the bottom and select "share page" you can send the link via SMS or email.
        waltersc
    • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

      @Loverock Davidson Funny your response is much the same as most iPhone owners here when the iOS lacked this feature and yet I was told time and time again that copy/paste was a critical feature, that is was essential in any modern mobile OS... and yet here we are with WP7 being a brand spanking new mobile OS, built from the ground up and is being released without the same feature that I was told was essential.
      athynz
    • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

      @Loverock Davidson <br>It doesn't always work on iPod either. This morning I wanted to copy/paste a password from a note into an app (LinkedIn) on my iPod (original Touch 32G with current software for that model), and it can't be done. So much for using strong passwords.
      A.Sinic
  • It is Bizzare

    But there must be some level of complexity to it if neither the iPhone or WP7 had/have it at the get go. Not to worry - MS has to play catch up to the iPhone - we will see c&p and more, in OS updates, in the coming months.
    jpr75_z
    • As iPhone had to play catchup with WM6.5

      when it didn't have cut and paste.

      Yet in the end it make it there, so you're right, things come, just not as fast as some would like it would seem.
      John Zern
  • I use copy & paste daily in computer

    but in my blacberry in five months, I only used copy/paste once. Fury?
    FADS_z
  • It seems like C&P is one of those things that -sounds- good

    for SmartPhones to have. It doesn't seem like anything more than a minority use it on a regular basis, though. It seems the same with multitasking, as the older iPhones didn't have any real trouble based on that. It just seems as though these things are the types of things that techn blogs throw around.

    Does the average person care about C&C and Multitasking? They didn't care when the iPhone lacked them. I think that we're getting to the point to where a majority of smartphone users aren't the geeks that fantasize about those two features.
    Michael Alan Goff
  • RE: Friday Fury: Mobile devices without copy and paste

    Not having cut, copy, and paste is very close to a dealbreaker. The Gmail app for Blackberry still doesn't have it. Unbelievable.
    jrockefeller1@...