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Online piracy laws: Is it just about the money?

By | March 18, 2010, 9:29am PDT

Summary: The online piracy bill is even closer to becoming law. Some argue it is political, some say it has been rushed and not considered properly. I say it’s about money.

British Telecom - the UK’s telecommunications provider, TalkTalk and O2 - two major ISPs, Google and YouTube, the British Library, eBay, Yahoo!, the Open Rights Group, and Facebook, along with tens of thousands of citizens if not more, but also the biggest, richest and most influential organisations in the world oppose the UK Internet piracy bill which could force users offline if caught downloading material.

But one industry likes it. The music industry.

The House of Lords have passed this legislation which means this new bill could become law before the general election in the next couple of months, amid criticisms that it has been rushed and not thought through properly.

Students and the Generation Y have been built up on this technology and I am a strong advocate of Pandora’s box theory. The consequences of cutting off access to the web to individuals with little, non-substantive or no evidence are huge not only morally and economically but legally.

Universities are facing potentially disruptive action as IP addresses traced to on-campus machines are forcing these institutions to take responsibility for illegal file-sharing when they can either blame the student or knuckle-down the network and infringe upon academic freedom.

The new law will work, basically, like this:

But there is so much more to it than the black and white of “legal vs. illegal”. Focus on political leverage and positioning with corporate giants and money, and you’ll probably get to a clearer answer.

An interesting debate between the Featured Artists Coalition and the opposition shows some artists seeing the Internet as a benefit rather than a threat, using the web and social media to start their careers and spreading their own work naturally without the need of the music industry backing. One could argue this is the main threat to the music industry - artists not needing or wanting the assistance of the sector unlike a few decades ago where physical records and capitalist function was the end result.

But the “illegal downloading” definition is still sparse, undefined and loose at least. I don’t use torrents unless absolutely necessary as they are not always dependable as other people may not have a high connection, or the file may simply not be available. Yet through RapidShare, MediaFire, FilesTube and more, these web hosted areas offer HTTP downloads which are as fast as you can download. These, unlike torrents, can still be traced but with more difficulty as court orders must be issued, server logs searched, and frankly this is a legal mindfield and rarely happens.

As far as I am concerned, downloading copyrighted material through a HTTP service like RapidShare is your best way of avoiding detection. Though I don’t advocate anonymity systems which are available to use, there are ways of bypassing detection through use of torrents. On to Figure 2.

Public consumer group Which? Computing is investigating claims that a law firm has sent letters to over 150 people who it claims have downloaded files illegally without providing evidence. Many are worried that some could be wrongly accused and finding proof of such activity is difficult enough as it is anyway. While in a court of law you are granted a defence, it is impossible to prove that you haven’t done something as proving a negative cannot be done.

So as I see it, Lord Mandelson, a politician who was sacked from the Cabinet twice before and brought back by a dying Labour government as a member of the House of Lords as a non-elected representative, to now attempt to rush through these draconian measures to cut off illegal downloaders before the General Election.

But why?

I believe many will agree that not knowing something is worse than the result itself. An unknown illness which brings you down for years is relief to know just what it is, rather than anything else. Simply knowing something - an answer, a reason or a diagnosis - can be enough to settle most minds. But getting hard, descriptive answers from a politician is harder than squeezing blood from a stone. If Mandelson explains the reasons honestly and frankly, perhaps we could regroup and take stock for another plan of action.

But I can bet my lucky stars it will not happen. Frankly it feels like I’m banging my head against a brick wall whenever I write about this subject because no matter how hard we shout, the government doesn’t listen. We can only hope and pray that this controversial piece of legislation will be political suicide and the succeeding government will drop the plans or at least refine them to bolster public interest and spirit.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

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Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from the Huffington Post, Business Insider, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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Cardhu 20th Mar 2010
so we can't understand why anyone would either, if that's your point.
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Without getting into the merits of this particular legislation:

Pirates get their music for free, because they are too greedy to pay for it. It's just another form of shoplifting/theft.
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Ever hear of
Cardhu 18th Mar 2010
"Due Process?"

Look it up sometime.
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Only in your mind
Lerianis10 19th Mar 2010
Need I remind you: AM/FM radio.... which is free.... which makes getting something in 'higher quality' online not a big worry or 'wrong' for me, if any 'wrong' at all!
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Need I remind you:
lazerousz 19th Mar 2010
AM/FM radio is paid for by either user support or by advertising. The music played on these stations is of course licensed, in bulk, from its respective owners.

So what exactly was your point?
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it doesn't matter who else loses money?
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Wrong Premise, Wrong Question
cdmsr 19th Mar 2010
There is currently a huge conflict brewing in congress between artists and broadcasters over the nonpayment of royalties to performers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/08/business/media/08royalty.html?th&emc=th

When a radio station plays a piece of recorded music, royalties are paid to the publisher/songwriter and the record company. The artists who actually perform the piece get zilch, nada, nothing.

The USA is pretty much the only developed nation where this is allowed. In fact, US artists can't get reciprocal payments from other nations because the USA doesn't collect and pay such royalties for their artists.(Considering that this is one of the very few areas where a trade imbalance actually [and hugely] favors the US, this is stupid in the extreme.)

And the rationale that the broadcasters put forward for allowing their(exploitation)free use of the artists' product? They claim that they are "advertising" the product and, thus, increasing revenue for performers by increasing the audience size at live shows. They offer no proof, just a 'logical assumption' which would hold true and work just as well for allowing downloads. But the RIAA and the broadcasters get paid, so no big deal.

Right.
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That makes me wonder:
satovey@... 19th Mar 2010
If it is advertising, why then must radio stations pay them a licensing fee instead of them paying the radio stations an advertising fee?
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the market has changed
cymru999 19th Mar 2010
many users want to have access to large collections that they probably will never play - what are people going to fill all these shiny new 2 TB hard drives with

Free downloading is seen by many as a replacement for radio - you listen to lots and buy things you like but without the hastle of having to listen to manic DJ's follow schedules or be bombarded with advertising.

The music industry (if its really needed at all) could adapt and change direction - I know people who download movies and then still go and see them in the cinema to get the full experience - its just that they want to watch them on their own timescale not wait until they are released as a marketing ploy.

Of course the ones who stand to lose are the businesses selling over hyped rubbish that sells in millions but dissapoints audiences - oops am I talking about the music and film industries
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don't come knocking.

I'm sure alot of people look at stealing cable and satellite signals as just a replacement for free television.
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stealing cable...
satovey@... 19th Mar 2010
will get you 5 to 10 years in prison.
That always seems to be one of the first claims out of the self righteous mouths of those who claim to be piracy free.

Shoplifting or theft requires the taking of a specified thing from one entity so that they no longer possess it and the one who took the thing now has it. Its a kind of transfer of wealth which enriches the entity doing the taking at the cost of the entity thats taken from.

What this is, is copying plain and simple, and copying with permission from an individual who legally possesses the thing being copied. The only way any law is even being broken at all here is that the purchasers of copyright protected materials don't actually purchase the rights to allow others to copy the thing they purchased. It really and truly is nothing like shoplifting at all. Its a completely different animal entirely.

The entertainment and software industry likes the public to think of it as some form of theft but they know fully well it really has nothing to do with theft. For example, what is the thing being stolen? What property is being taken from anyone or anything? The only thing one might claim (and often be wrong) is that potential profit from the sale of another copy of the property is lost by the creator of that property as the person who copied it is now far less likely to purchase one of the creators copies.

That concept is poor at best. Its a well known fact that many people who download like this would never purchase anything near all the things they have downloaded and in some cases they would not have purchased any of the things they have downloaded. Its usually a case where very little potential profit is lost at all. Further it isnt that uncommon for some people who can afford it to go out after the fact and in fact purchase the very thing they have downloaded.

Where the real problem is, is where you have people copying and then selling cheap copies. That clearly indicates at least an intent on the part of the purchaser to buy the content. In that case there definitely was at least some potential profit lost. That is far more criminal then the common run of the mill P2P copying that usually goes on.
Yea freedom! Not *everyone* prohibits
downloading their content!!!

LEGAL D/L Do not listen to RIAA stuff no radio
no TV! Do not buy CDs! Just legal MP3 from those
who are not party to madness. BOYCOTT RIAA I
need some T shirts made up! Where is my no
copyright radio? No music that is copyrighted
played!

Time to kick this into high gear the political
jokers have bent you over! YOU WILL TAKE IT you
have no say you are worthless maggots eh?

Political rape my rights makes me sick. How
about you? Who will step up? You been beat down
already.
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No music that is copyrighted played?
satovey@... Updated - 19th Mar 2010
You clearly are ignorant of copyright law.

Once a song is written, it is automatically copyrighted by US copyright law.

While I do not currently have any copyrighted material on the net, having suffered severe financially over the past few years, I am adverse to anyone who expects me to utilize my talents for free.

Because of vial, evil, and wicked people like you, I came close to dieing.

During that period; vial, evil and wicked people like you, clamored for me to get work I could either not perform, had not chance of keeping, or had no possibility of obtaining due to a lack of experience. All the while those same vial, evil and wicked people, demanded that the talents and skills I could do, had to be done without pay.

That however, is of no concern to you. Because vial, evil and wicked people like you, want what you want for free, even if it means that the person you stole the copyrighted work from, dies.
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Oh gimmie a break... lol...
still not nice 20th Mar 2010
yabada...yabada...yabada...

Can I pull out the violins while the violets and the daffodils grow in the lush green fields and the birds keep on singing.

Hey, Cry Me A River plays in the background...

~

Now why don't you go get a real job. Washing dishes, maybe?
i agree, but I think the point the article was trying to make and should stress more, is that if you are accused of illegal downloading, how do you prove you didn't? There's no grounds for defense from accusations the way this is set-up. And forcing libraries and universities to monitor every possible avenue that a user could obtain pirated materials via the net and the institutions PCs is outright ludicrous, and virtually impossible.

This does open a new door for hackers to do DDOS attacks, force a botted Pc to download pirated material from known pirating sites and get the ISP to cut off service and have the music and/or movie industry to sue the daylights out of them, or at least start proceedings. talk about money and time lost. They do this to a few government owned PCs or PCs of high ranking government officials and then you'll see talks about revising this bill/law at the very least, though maybe making it even stricter.
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You actually think some hacker
Stan57 18th Mar 2010
You actually think some hacker is going to scare the goverment from making laws they dont like?? AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH. It might be hard to catch them, but dont think for one minute they will get away with that.
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theft prevention methods. Real thieves just nimbly dodge them with a moment's amusement.

The only people who get caught in these misbegotten schemes are the innocent.

Yet the people with real interests - like the music and entertainment companies - don't care who gets caught, guilty or innocent. It does not matter because they get to squeeze someone for "mo' money."

And no, we don't download either music or movies. We buy ours retail on CDs and DVDs.
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um, actually you do.
satovey@... 19th Mar 2010
When you go to YouTube, and you watch that video, you are downloading that video.

Question is; does that law consider that a violation?

If so, that automatically makes everyone on the net a criminal.
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I'd call you in from left field
Cardhu 20th Mar 2010
but you're too far away.

You completely missed the point.
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Define downloading copyrighted material.
No_Ax_to_Grind 18th Mar 2010
In the US at least, anything you or I create is automatically copyrighted. Every web page is copyrighted, evey blog, etc. So the question becomes, which copyrighted work is illegal and how do users know which is which? Don't we have to download this copyrighted work to see it on our PCs?

Now compound it further with both RIAA and the MPAA releasing a lot of copyrighted work for free downloads. (Think of the millions of song samples or movie trailers.) If I download and watch a 3 minute music video do I have any way of knowing if its "good" copyrighted material or "bad". Both are under the same exact copyright laws. (In the US)

Taking that further, the MPAA and the RIAA regularly use P2P networks to share their copyrighted material in order to catch downloaders (IP identification), but, they also use them in hopes of a video going "viral". Viral videos are the dream of every musical or acting artist and the companies behind them. Again, how as a user am I to make the determination on whish is appropiate or not? If the RIAA or MPAA "share" the content (regardless of why they are doing it) haven't they given implied consent?

My point is, trillions of bits containing copyrighted material travel the internet every second and every bit of it is copyrighted. How am I or any user to make a determination on good / bad content when EVERYTHING is copyrighted?
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ISP liability a disaster
guihombre 18th Mar 2010
Worse, they're proposing to make ISPs liable for not applying technical measures to websites accused of copyright violation.

Thus an ISP who has no way of proving the copyright status of a work, is expected to spend money defending against a claim.
Of course this will not happen, more and more of the web will be blocked in the UK, file lockers, youtube, blogs, anything accused of a copyright violation will be blocked by ISPs that simply don't want to spend on lawyers defending claims they can never possibly have the evidence to defend against.

This is a disaster for the UK.
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and can be downloaded. EVERYTHING is copyrighted.
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Copyright Misconception
Cardhu 18th Mar 2010
Re: "In the US at least, anything you or I create is automatically copyrighted."

Not quite exactly correct. See, for examples:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2123700_file-copyright-protection-online.html

and

http://www.copyright.gov/
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You need to re-read your links.
No_Ax_to_Grind 19th Mar 2010
wink
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I Did Read The Links
Cardhu 20th Mar 2010
I.e. from the very first link:

"... However, registration of a copyright can be advantageous--it can enhance legal damages in a court suit and evidences an actual copyright date."
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Missposted - Delete
Cardhu Updated - 20th Mar 2010
nt
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Music sales are INCREASING
guihombre 18th Mar 2010
Online accounts for 40% of US music sales, see 'More Music Sales Facts' section:

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/a-big-music-year-for-jackson-boyle-swift-digital-downloads-and-vinyl/

And iTunes controls 70% of those, and it's sales grow, practically doubling. Is therefore likely typical of download growth in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Store

Music should be the most vulnerable indicator to piracy, and US is likely to represent the future there because online music stores are more mature in that market.

Thus the leading market indicator shows that the item most vulnerable to piracy is GROWING, not SHRINKING.

So why are they proposing to introduce yet more laws in a rapidly growing market?
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Um, not. As a stockholder I can tell you
No_Ax_to_Grind 18th Mar 2010
that all over sales have dropped, not gone up.
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It seems rather odd they would shove something through like this. Seems like its time for the old fuddy duddys in their house of lords.. to go.
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Contributr
Bit more to it than that
zwhittaker 18th Mar 2010
It's a tradition thing, but it does seem to kind of work. The Westminster model works in a dozen, if not more, other countries, but only in certain ways. Hereditary peers don't happen anymore, but still, the Lords are considered great minds of state - former politicians/Prime Ministers, business people, figures of the community and Spiritual advisers (remember we're an Anglican country still) etc.

The Cabinet you should look at. I think over half of the Cabinet are non-elected Lords. That's why democracy doesn't work, because they aren't elected (or rather were, but aren't anymore).
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I think they forgot
satovey@... Updated - 19th Mar 2010
what happened when they pulled that nonsense with the colonies 234 years ago.

Maybe someone should remind them.
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RE: Online piracy laws: Is it just about the money?
stephenharrison@... 18th Mar 2010
This is just a Totalatarian and Communist Governement trying to close down the internet for everything apart from business. labour and Conservative Politicians do not like the idea of freedom of action or thought. I predict the end of the internet as we know it.

I have anonymizers and I value my privacy above any law put in place by a police state. The Uk is fast becoming an islamist state and these polticians including mandleson all have a hidden agenda. Police state by stealth!
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Islamist state?
zwhittaker Updated - 18th Mar 2010
Not really. Our intelligence services still uses ethnic ethnographic selective surveillance. I'd hardly call the UK government either Communist or Islamist. It just makes you sound -incredibly- racist, which I will not tolerate on this blog.
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Don't throw the racism card into this argument.
stephenharrison@... 19th Mar 2010
You really are a liberal moron. You see everything in racists not racists with no middle ground. You must be young and lacking in basic street level education.

Islamification is a fact. The UK is being islamified fact! Sharia law is being enacted and carrying out it's own justice alongside and in complete ignorance of UK law.

Ethnocide has been carried out in the UK the percentage of indigenous peoples in London is at an all time low, clashes of culture have worked to favour ethnic minorities and the cry of racist from every degraded white liberalist.

Personal Privacy is a matter of Human Rights not Ethnicity.

Logging sites visited by me is nothing to do with security. It is a matter of personal privacy!

Human Sheep all seem to think if they are doing no wrong it does not matter if we sleep walk into a surveilance society, where no real freedom exists.

I think it does matter and personal freedoms come to be more important then a copyright law aimed at making Bono, Cliff richard and Madonna even more wealthy. The poorest in society have a right to culture and music is culture and art the fact that I use my ears rather then my eyes does not mean it should cost me a penny to have access to it.
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Calling people "racists..'
still not nice 20th Mar 2010
...isn't going to get them to shut up and feel bad about themselves. Not anymore.

The race card by the politically correct went out da window a long time ago, pal...
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Though you might think you are "sticking to the man"
with these types of articles the harsh reality is that
piracy hurts small companies the most. Pop stars can
make money by touring but most small software
companies depend entirely on sales.

There needs to be a deterrent against piracy or else
you are tacitly legalizing it.

You need to ask yourself if laws should work for
pirates or the people that work hard to create digital
content.
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We Have Had Three Decades
Cardhu Updated - 18th Mar 2010
of attempts at copy protection and theft prevention in the software industry.

In all that time, just how effective have these technologies been at:

- Stopping theft?

- Not hindering or obstructing honest users?
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france say no
NETWALKER@... Updated - 18th Mar 2010
there was some one pushing for the same law in France but there Parliament refuse it because it go against the freedom of using the internet, so maybe your wish become true Zack Whittaker
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So how is the Music Industry faring?
epcraig 19th Mar 2010
It does strike me as odd that no bands seem to
strike it rich overnight any more.
Now instead of touring to promote recordings they
seem to tour to afford to record.
Nobody seems to make the bulk of their money from
recording but Michael Jackson who is, of course,
dead.
The recording industry has consolidated into
irrelevance.
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the voice and data expert
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RE: Online piracy laws: Is it just about the money?
MrMcCheese Updated - 19th Mar 2010
I'm a full time IT professional, I pay tax, NI and tax again when I want to spend it. I have a house, a car and a cat. After all things considered, I have about ?150 a month of my wages left to spend on stuff for me, which includes food, clothes, petrol etc.

The other night I went to the cinema, taking the girlfriend as you do, it cost me ?15 just for tickets. That's 10% of my monthly 'free' cash for 2 hours of, what turned out to be, shamefully mediocre entertainment (that had 20 minutes of commercial adverts at the start, but that's another story...)

I heard a new song that I liked on the radio the other day. I figured that I'd buy the album. That cost me ?10 because I happen to like owning something physical when I've paid for it. Nothing unusual there, month to month.

I have a TV licence for a TV that largely only shows mind-rotting pap, that costs best part of ?15 a month again. So that's a further ?25 PCM.

I play WoW online, there's another ?9 a month. I even occasionally rent a DVD, or worse still buy one in the sales. Shock horror. I have a degree in English lit., books are my life. There goes another ?10 a month at least.

That's nearly half (yes 50%) of my 'free' cash gone to the 'Entertainment' industry per average month; I spend less on petrol and food, for me and the cat, combined!

I went to see Metallica a few of months ago, ?50 for them tickets. Was a bloomin' amazing gig, but that was my once a year treat. Set me back the following month, financially.

So I pay my dues, BUT...

I also happen to watch some streamed (probably illegally) video online from time to time. Why? Because it's the only decent thing available to me some nights and some nights I have the urge to watch something that just isn't being broadcast.

I guess I'm a filthy, shop lifting, scum o' the Earth Internet Pirate then.

Therefore.

I'm sorry if me being a 'Pirate' offends some people who can obviously afford to go out and just 'buy the series on DVD' at a whim. But @#!& to you, I've got to eat!

I'm sorry to the music industry who thinks that I want you to spend half a million pounds on a music video / promotion for some rubbish artist that never makes their money back for the company and charge the end user for it.

I'm sorry to the music executives and people in politics (who make more money a month than they spend) who don't understand what it's like to have NO money and TWO weeks left to the month without food, money for entertainment or even HEATING in the middle of WINTER.

Lastly, I'm sorry to the movie companies who feel justified in giving their 'talent' MILLIONS of pounds in wages for one film. I won't earn a million pounds in my entire working life. I will work 5/7 days for the next 35+ years on top of what I've done already, and I will NEVER see total earnings of even a single million!

I know this is a rant, but I hope it provides a counterpoint to all those out there on their high-horses. What a great place the world must be... if you've got the money that is.
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You Struck A Chord In Me
Cardhu 19th Mar 2010
- the absolutely turn-your-stomach revolting or negative-IQ stupid quality of the vast majority of the garbage produced by the entertainment industry today.

Music - yeah, trash. The most recent worthwhile artists we've found have been Enya, Celtic Woman, Celtic Thunder, and The Corrs. America is pushing bang-your-head rap.

Movies - we don't watch 'em. The movie industry has priced themselves far out of the market. We wait for them to come out on DVD, rent the few that sound worthwhile, and then sometimes buy one or two to add to our library. And yes, DVDs and not blu-ray.

Broadcast and cable TV: We only watch the Science and National Geographic channels. We miss History, History International, and Disney. We enjoy the two NCIS series, The Closer, and Monk. That's it. Even then, we are inundated with the cable ads for the Neanderthal (and that's insulting Neanderthals) wrestling and fighting shows or the latest explosive blood-splattering substanceless movies.

Yeah, finding good shows nowadays is like panning for diamonds in sewage. And the entertainment industry wonders why people don't want to buy their ... stuff? Heck, they couldn't pay us to watch it.

Cheers,
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Heck, they couldn't pay us to watch it.
lazerousz 19th Mar 2010
This always raises the question in my mind, then why in the world would you pirate stuff you wouldn't want to pay for?
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We Don't
Cardhu 20th Mar 2010
so we can't understand why anyone would either, if that's your point.
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dude,
satovey@... 19th Mar 2010
you need to start looking at the stuff that is produced for the younger generation.

Kids shows are so much better than a lot of what they claim to be for the adults.

Why?

You can't kid a kid. If it's not good, they won't return.
"Dude."
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here here
stephenharrison@... Updated - 19th Mar 2010
I am disabled and rely totally on the state for my income a paltry 600gbp per month.

So if I have the misfortune of being involved in a fire that was not my fault I have to live in a world of monetary and artistic desertification.

So I download music that I would never be able to afford so that I can involve myself in society in it's art and art forms.Movies and music. The internet is for freedom of information not just for businesses to use for business.

Copyright laws are just rich peoples way of making art only available to the rich,

Yeah social justice not and disabled people like me should be given the avarage wage to live on not a pittance to survive on!
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That is such a false statement
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 19th Mar 2010
Copyright laws are just rich peoples way of making art only available to the rich

Let me tell you a little story.

Many years ago, my sibling and I created a comic strip for a Tolkien lore type fan magazine from a small startup. After a few years it was evident is wasn't going to make it, so we were asked to tie up the strip, so we wrote the final episode, and that was it.

Many years later, with interest renewed thanks to Peter Jackson's Lord of the Ring movies, we found that the comic was going to appear in another venue: online.

Imagine how we felt, our strip being used on a site, without our permission, a site in which the creator would be making money charging for ad space, and paid links, with our material as one of the reasons people would be visiting the site?

And we weren't going to get a dime from it?

Well, our copyright/ownership of the material put an end to that.

So no, it's not to keep poor people from seeing art, its to keep rich people from profiting off of others work for free.
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Anecdote?
stephenharrison@... 19th Mar 2010
No it's not it so that the poorer people can not access works of art. That is the effect, the wealthy can purchase all the music and movie contant they wish as downloads or hardcopy.

The poor can not. Your anecdotal evidence is worth, "Dogs Spit".

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