Warner Bros. recruiting students to spy on file sharers

By | March 29, 2010, 1:52pm PDT

Summary: Students are being enticed with a $26k a year internship at Warner Bros. to spy and gather intelligence on their peers who share or download copyrighted material,

Warner Bros. Entertainment UK are providing internships to students with a computer/IT related degree to be actively part in reducing piracy on the web. The internship at £17,500 (around $26,000) a year, will not only give these students an insider knowledge into corporations fighting copyrighted file sharing, but an opportunity to potentially spy on their fellow students.

The company, with many wide ranging subsidiary brands and companies, will give the “lucky” student tools, knowledge and training to search the Internet for links, posts, torrents and information which will assist efforts in bringing cease and desist notices, DMCA orders and other legal means to remove content. The intelligence acquired could also be used later in a court of law if sites do not comply.

The job description, aimed particularly at University of Manchester students, and presumably others also, states:

  • to monitor local Internet forums and IRC [channels] for pirated Warner Bros. and NBCU content in order to gather information on pirate sites, groups and activities;
  • create new and maintain existing accounts on private sites:
  • scanning for links to hosted pirated Warner Bros. and NBCU content to issue take-down notices;
  • maintaining and developing bots for Internet link scanning system (see here)
  • performing trap purchases of pirated products and logging result;
  • inputting data and other intelligence into “the” (their own) forensics database
  • periodically producing research documents on piracy related technological developments.

Softpedia suggest a similarity between Warner Bros. and the Chinese government, saying that both organisations look for those who are willing to spy on their peers. Of course, this internship does not necessarily state to spy or collect intelligence on one’s direct peers, but as we are all of the same generation of a border-less Internet, we are all a collective here.

Though as Gizmodo point out, there could be wider social implications to consider before applying for this role. As the Generation Y have been brought up on accessing digital media and illegal content, if your torrent-addicted friends and colleagues find out the job you do, being ostracised from a friendship group could be the least of your worries. As the tech world will be quite aware of, the online community can be particularly ruthless on the social network to the wider “anonymous” web.

Some background information that I have written about before might be of use to students in regards to legalities, illegalities and suchlike. More can be found here.

Torrents are the main issue to worry about. In this context, downloading files through peer-to-peer or HTTP/FTP transfer is “a little illegal”, whereas the corporations have a major issue with users who actively share the files. Torrents generally only work on a basis where the files you download are also shared with others to maintain the seed/leech ratio, to enable others to download as you have. These can, and do get tracked.

HTTP/FTP transfers of copyrighted material are illegal, though not deemed as bad as actively sharing content like with torrents. These cannot be actively traced, as such. The only viable way to trace a download from a server like through MediaFire or RapidShare is to seek a court order for the server and/or transfer logs to be sought. A court order can also be issued to your ISP which record every site and file you access, though these are secure and unreadable by the vast majority of ISP employees. This of course is far more difficult to do as some evidence is required before a court order is issued.

The offer closes on 31st March 2010, tomorrow, according to TorrentFreak.

Are you a student? Would you apply for this job knowing the wider implications? In this economy, is a job a job regardless of what it is? Have your say.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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Zack Whittaker

I worked briefly with Microsoft UK in 2006 but no longer have any connection with the company. Regardless, I remain impartial and unbiased in my views.

I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

I was involved with Kent Union, the University of Kent's student union, undertaking voluntary, non-salaried, elected positions between early 2009 and mid-2010.

No other company, body, government department, non-governmental organisation or third sector organisation employs me or pays me a salary in any capacity whatsoever.

As a freelance journalist, whenever expenses are given and taken by a company that is not CBS Interactive, these will be disclosed in each relevant post to ensure transparency.

I currently work with a UK law enforcement unit, but this is an entirely separate position which bears no connection to other work.

(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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Zack Whittaker

Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from the Huffington Post, Business Insider, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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Internship: Spy on kids
jonnieli 21st Oct 2010
Interesting idea, to get interns to try and monitor other young masses. I wonder what the bonus scheme looks like? Free movie for every cease and desist notice you can send? Maybe the International internship program would have more success if they had the participants spreading news about why piracy is bad. Aren't half of the population downloading illegal movies under 16 anyways? Maybe they just need some guidance.
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Sounds like Warner Bros:
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 29th Mar 2010
is taking a play right out of the Hitler Handbook. Turn in your fellow citizens, even if they are your parents, as it is the patriotic thing to do.
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Bugs Bunny with a swastika on an armband.
AllKnowingAllSeeing 29th Mar 2010
Yeah, I'd run from that happy
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Sure but,
Beechcraft 30th Mar 2010
Does the U.K. have a witness relocation plan?
They might need it if they start turning in a large number of people, as I am sure someone will wish to take out a little revenge.
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Just like communists got neighbors to spy on each other, here we are in our free society with exactly the same issue.

What exactly was the Cold War for?
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Corporate Capitalist, actually
mdemuth 29th Mar 2010
If they were communists, they would share
everything freely. That is kind of the
definition.
Obama made a huge mistake tackling healthcare
first, when people like you show how bad the
education system is.
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How clever of you
croberts 30th Mar 2010
to insist on using an idyllic definition of communism that never existed when you knew full well I was referring to actual communism as it existed in Eastern Europe, where neighbor spied on neighbour to ensure no one stepped out of line.

And since you bring "Capitalism" into this, you might want to consider that true capitalism is about competition, win or lose. After the corporate handouts in 2009, I wouldn't think someone could use the term with a straight face.
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Croberts: you are confused
RedRoman 30th Mar 2010
I think that you are confused.

Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism are economic systems.

Representative Republics (what we think of as Democracy), Totalitarian states, Fascist states, et al., are systems of government.

Your opionion seems directed at Totalitarian/Fascist states (like the former Soviet Union). Getting a person to spy on another person has nothing to do with Communism or Capitalism. In states with both Communist and Capitalist economic systems, stealing is almost universally illegal and punishable. And in both types of states, government has the ability to, and often does, spy on its own people.

I think that Warner Bros may be onto something here. There is no way that Tools (like copy protection) will ever stem the tide of pirated media. However, driving people to help stem the tide using the same thing that drives others to create the tide (greed) seems like a plausible additional method of control.
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bildr 31st Mar 2010
negative
socialism and communism are not both economic systems


socialism is economic
communism is political

either way, i think we all knew what he meant, let's not start a terminology flame-war
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Loss of revenues?
Serpamac 30th Mar 2010
As far as I know, Warner Bros and all the major movie companies have
not reduce their greed, nor their Board of Directors, and neither the
famous actors/actresses that are paid millions for a few weeks work.

I would balance more on the piracy side than on the anti-piracy
considering the extravaganza of Hollywood style of life, and this goes
also for music companies. You thought slavery was a fact of the past?
Wake up, it never disappeared. Look at the Holy American Banks
laughing to your faces...
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I think you misunderstand
cymru999 30th Mar 2010
Communist states did not practice communisim but totalitarian control - the USSR and China are not examples of real communism - these totalitarian states are wrongly quoted as being "communist" and it is these police states that this is being compared to - I certainly agree that it is
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Ya mean like the US?
mdemuth 30th Mar 2010
Under McCarthyism you were supposed to turn in
'fellow travelers'.
I see signs in NY 'If you see something, say something' (It has been a while; not sure if they
are still there)
So police states like we have here, where you are
encouraged to spy on your neighbor? Is that what
we are comparing to?
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Ok, let's agree that's what we are comparing too
croberts Updated - 31st Mar 2010
Except in Communist, Totalitarian Eastern Europe, it was the government creating the police state.

In the so-called west, we created an environment through law whereby corporations can take it upon themselves to create just as much of a police state.

So again, what exactly was the cold war for? So we can be superficially free but effectively in just as much of a police state - just with different police?
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zwhittaker 29th Mar 2010
Gotta admit; think I out-did myself on the graphic this time (the top one, not the bottom one). Who needs the CBSi art team when I've got PhotoShop? grin
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I laughed out loud.
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 29th Mar 2010
I thought that newspaper one was great! happy

The one on the bottom, from "V for Vendetta" was really a good movie. You should read the comic, One of Alan Moore's more thought provoking works, more relvant to the UK then the US, which the movie seemed taken out of original context for.
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I laughed out loud too...
NormalC 30th Mar 2010
At both of them, but the newspaper one was really funny.
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BTW, you guys really need to do something about the recent spam.

It could very easily overwhelm the comments sections.
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RE: Spam
zwhittaker 30th Mar 2010
Yeah it's not an easy one that. I have absolutely no control over the comments whatsoever (makes it more fair really, because it means I can't censor anyone saying nasty things about me - which happens on a day to day basis simply for being here) so the content moderators spend most of their time pinging out bad comments and spam. Hopefully in the coming weeks there'll be a far better system in place to deal with this sort of thing, but something like IP banning would be difficuly as the editors et al don't want to block legitimate people visiting the site.
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RE:RE: Spam
D2 Ultima 30th Mar 2010
I don't understand why that would be considered "fair", as most often the authors of these stories do not reply to anything outside of maybe 1 day of its writing. Especially when people ask for a reply and they have good points to make; I never see those get replies by the authors.
Doesn't seem to me that you all actually go hunting through the comments to make many replies, so why would you go hunting through them to delete slander toward you?
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Ed Bott does
klumper 30th Mar 2010
Most often the authors of these stories do not reply to anything outside of maybe 1 day of its writing. Especially when people ask for a reply and they have good points to make; I never see those get replies by the authors.

At least the most consistently. George Ou used to on a pretty steady basis also, before he was let go when scale backs hit a few years back.

Paul Murphy and Dana Blankenhorn are known to revisit posts, Jason Perlow likewise at times. Add in John Carroll when he's not globe trotting and skipping the light fantastic. There could be a few others to boot.
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He doesn't look...
D2 Ultima 30th Mar 2010
... at comments past maybe 1 day of the posting of that particular blog. The latest I've ever seen him comment was two (2) days after the blog was posted.

Also, I've made numerous posts with the subject "please read this Ed" or "@Ed Bott" in quite a few of his blogs, sometimes on the same day it was posted. He's never replied to any of my posts in such fashion, and to a few others similar to me who make very good points in certain posts like that. I have seen him reply to other people that have less deep or impacting posts too, sometimes very near in the comment list to the "heavy" posts.

It might seem that I'm looking for attention, and there's no way I could prove to others that it is false other than me saying I'm not, but the way it comes across to me (and probably to the others who make those great "@Ed" posts) is that he is either unable to formulate a good reply to our points, or he simply picks things at random that he will read and reply to. Either way, he doesn't come out looking so good. After a couple days and commenting has died down, I simply delete the bookmark and forget about it.

I don't know about the other people you spoke about, I only see posts that come in my e-mails, I'll check good stories that pique my interest. I see Zack, Ed Bott and Aidan Hughes (if I spelt his name right). On and off I see posts from others, but it's very rare.
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Can't agree, not across the board
klumper Updated - 30th Mar 2010
I've seen him looking back and responding as much as four or five days later. Trust me on this.

I'm sure there are times he - just like the rest of us - is too busy or preoccupied to engage. If petty bickering or sniping gets out of hand, he sometimes pulls back to boot. But it goes without saying, he is not obliged to respond to one and all - or anyone.

Keep in mind the columnists I mentioned earlier are what I consider the most prolific at Talkback responses, and even with them it can be hit and miss sometimes. There are other bloggers here that also have interesting things to present, only they may not be as chatty. [Adrian being a prime example, though he does comment regularly]
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I'll take your word for it
D2 Ultima 30th Mar 2010
If you say you've seen him back n forth, then I wouldn't fight you down about it. But at the very least, he seems to avoid replying to people that make excellent points (especially when directly asking him to comment). I know there isn't an obligation to reply to any comment, but there are people who take these words as law, and certain talkbacks which raise excellent points that could very much do with a reply from the poster are left to sit and rot.
Now again I can't make this a completely global statement, but it's what *I've* seen while on ZDNet for the last... year maybe? I haven't been that tech savvy for very long, so I can't talk about years ago, but that's my observation since... maybe last year march or so when I probably joined.
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RE: Spam
Telexer 30th Mar 2010
Suggestion. Put a comment rating button on the comment viewer. Readers can then rate a comment as Spam. That would at least make it easier for the moderators to find the spam comments and delete them.

Example: rating could be 1 to 5 stars for comment value. and 0 for a spam item.
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Probably won't help
lehnerus2000 2nd Apr 2010
I've had stand-alone comments deleted (not ones which were deleted because they were in a branch), that didn't violate the rules and occasionally I've been able to discover (Google search) that someone had marked them as "Spam".

Another site I visit has a similar rating system and they have people who mark every post, up or down.

I suggest that if a comment is marked as "Spam", the person complaining about it should be recorded (as well as the original post/poster). This should enable statistics to be compiled and anyone acting like a jerk could be notified and ultimately banned if they don't behave.

lehnerus2000
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Congratulations
Graham Ellison 30th Mar 2010
Zack, I'm renowned for saying exactly what I think about the quality and
bias of a lot of stuff posted on here, articles and comments, as well as
the competence of the authors.

But on this occasion I'd like to congratulate you on an amazing article. I
think you covered the entire subject with professionalism and a great
deal of insight.

It's a shame that more people aren't as concerned about the full
implications as they are when, for instance, Apple releases another
insanely great product, or only announces one!

Note to editors: Please give Zack more stuff to do on here. He doesn't
appear to be blogging for anyone but his readers' benefit... And he does
his research!
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Spy this:
TrulyDanz 29th Mar 2010
Some have said that the stimulus hasn't saved any jobs, but here is a case where at least one job was saved. Oregon State University Athletic Director Bob DeCarolis was considering firing their basketball coach, Craig Robinson, after an 8-11 start (2-5 in the Pac 10 conference). When word of this reached Washington , Undersecretary of Education Martha Kanter was dispatched to Corvallis with $17 million in stimulus money for the university. Craig Robinson's job is safe for this year. For those of you unfamiliar with Coach Robinson, he just so happens to be Michelle Obama's brother. Just a coincidence I'm sure!
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spam too
gertruded 29th Mar 2010
There are stupid political sites for this kind of stuff. This is just spam here.
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Bogus Internet Rumor
dp118 Updated - 30th Mar 2010
Bob DeCarolis, Oregon State Athletic Director, has clearly stated this is a bogus internet rumor. Two minutes of research will confirm this. Now lets get back on subject.
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OK, what is the issue???
wackoae 29th Mar 2010
I know it is not a popular idea, but what is wrong with protecting a company's product?

Regardless of what you think about the music industry, the fact is that music is protected by copyright laws. They have a right to protect their "legally" owned products.

Being appalled for the ridiculous punitive damages the music industry is getting in court for a few mp3s against little old ladies does not mean that we should be in favor of stealing. With the low cost of digital music today and the low cost of rentals, there is little reason to steal music and videos.

I understand students are broke all the time ... I was there once. I may be OK with somebody getting a copy of music/movie from a friend and maybe even downloading a single every now and then. But there are people who's computer is a giant HDD of pirated music and movies .... that is not cool.
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property - theft etc
cymru999 30th Mar 2010
I sometimes wonder how many of the people who cry "crime" at the filesharers had, in their day, large collections of cassette tapes of top 40 shows from the radio or compilations made up from various recordings either they owned or borrowed.

I have said before in these forums that collecting huge collections of music has more to do with wanting to have a "million" tracks rather than actually listening to most of it! This is where the music industry's claims of piracy equalling lost sales falls down.

I also suspect that many of the people who download movies to see them the same time as the US do probably went to see them at the cinema when the company "deemed" to release them here.

Music and films are art - they are not just a business like any other
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They conveniently forget that copyright
hkommedal Updated - 2nd Apr 2010
are rights ( as in privileges granted by society) and not properties !

Privileges / rights granted by society can be taken away again when the society becomes too upset (p...off) by the misuse of those rights.

Do not forget that the original purpose of these privileges were to stop unscrupulous publishers to publish works by someone without giving anything ( credit or money) to the author of the work.
These privileges / rights was not intended to stop individuals from having / borrowing the same works.
Public libraries were allowed and even encouraged to let the public have free access !

Compare that with the situation today: Mainly individuals are hunted down.

To abuse privileges so blatantly is a public disgrace !

One day they may risk loosing their privileges !

And most of all :
STOP calling those rights / privileges property ! It is a LIE ! !

( edited typos)
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Warner Brothers never changes
lars626 29th Mar 2010
For a historical perspective look up Warner Brothers vs. The Marx Brothers. It involved the Marx film 'A night in Casablanca'. Groucho gave one of the most famous defense arguments in court history. The Marx brothers won the suit and the Warners looked like idiots for starting the whole thing.

The Warners were mean and nasty and the corporate culture hasn't mellowed with age.
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nt
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So whats the issue?
No_Ax_to_Grind 30th Mar 2010
Sorry, don't see any real issue here.
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Nahh, ...
still not nice 30th Mar 2010
... we're just waiting for your own mother to turn you in.

wink
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Exactly ! ! (nt)
hkommedal Updated - 2nd Apr 2010
nt
Anyone being used as a spy should have the word branded into their forehead.
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khaos13 30th Mar 2010
Wouldn't it make more sense to brand the thiefs?
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nt
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If you see a pirate, warna brother
TxM2xTx 30th Mar 2010
Sounds like movie material to me. Continuation of the fact that you never know who to trust.
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ACTUALLY THEY MAKE NOTHING WORTH PIRATING!
job1866@... 30th Mar 2010
The absolute garbage that comes out of Hollywood isnt worth pirating. Seriously what movie that's out now, is worth pirating? Some of the classics maybe, but I'd rather buy them, box, labels and all. Case in point, yeah you could prob download a classic like Forbidden Planet but if youre a fan like me, wouldnt you spend the money on the box set with all the extras, the little robot toy etc?
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absolute garbage
jamesweld@... 30th Mar 2010
So hollywood makes absolute garbage? Whoever that directs it and
produces it must be a sadist. Someone that doesn't mind
embarrassing themselves in front of their peers and family because of
what they produce. However the people that go to watch it after their
friends have seen the garbage, what can you say about their minds?
Everyone that sees the film after the reviewer, like you, has stated that
it is another piece of trash, must be of lower intelligence. You went to
see it to vindicate yourself obviously but the other people, what is
their excuse. Maybe your values are too high and refined or society in
general is downgrading and you have four options, join the masses
and accept, Do something to turn this society around, Make better
movies yourself, Accept that there is nothing to do but enjoy what
nature has to offer and never watch a movie again
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Hollywood now plays to the LCD
klumper 30th Mar 2010
And is doing so increasingly as time goes on. Catching a good movie these days seems to amount to an Easter egg hunt. It's why I stopped going to cinema houses years ago (with rare exceptions); more often than not I'd leave (or walk out midway) disappointed with but another mindless, moralless flick.

Not sure if the fat cats and financiers who run Hollywood have simply become tasteless money grubbers, or feel that since society is becoming more crude and doltish, they owe it little more. My own take is that they're directly contributing to the transformation of American becoming something of a uncultured cesspool.

One run up through your cable tv channels says more than words can. It equates to Bread and Circuses 2.0!
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I see American movies occasionally, and usually
they're not worth the time spent watching them.
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You mean "GCF"...
fairportfan 30th Mar 2010
...the Greatest Common Factor is even lower than the Least Common Denominator in most cases.
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Good point
klumper Updated - 30th Mar 2010
And yes indeed. GFC, LCD = UGH!

Maybe French (and other foreign) subtitles should be next. What is there to lose at this point? wink 'cept yer sanity.
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Paid illegal versus illegal.
Tholian_53 Updated - 30th Mar 2010
Oh, I love this. Paying for illegal activity to catch illegal activity. I hope they have a huge legal fund....
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Nobody likes a tatle-tale
blackepyon01@... Updated - 30th Mar 2010
Got one thing right, you will get ostrasized from your social groups. A considerable amount of ordinary everyday people download illegaly, and these days, it's becomming more and more normal that people don't even see it as wrong.

Take the days of VHS for example. Most, if not all VHS decks came with a record function. Well, what are you doing to record? TV programming, of course! But, wait! That TV program is copyrighted and licenced by the TV station to be displayed only to the audience viewing, not to be copied and kept in your personal archive or passed onto your friends. But who cares? The VCR allows me to record, so why shouldn't I? Why should I pay for a movie when it's being played on CBC this Sunday night?
Set asside the issue of why VCRs even had a record button in the first place.

In the digital age, it's the same. I can download movies off the inernet. I'm not the one who ripped them, so I don't get dinged for it, right?

Wrong. Even if you aren't the one who ripped it from the DVD, you are still making a copy illegaly by downloading it, are violating copyright laws, and are costing the studios big bucks.

However, legallity and technicalities asside, there remains one large issue; the only people who truely care about illegal downloading, are the people who are being burned by it and loosing money. In other words, it is Warner Bros. who cares if their hard work and intelectual property is being stollen. The average person at home or in the college dorm only cares that they can get their entertainment for only the cost of their bandwidth, easing their already strained budget. Warner Bros. has lots of money, right? they can afford to loose a bit, right?

Well, wrong is still wrong. But Warner Bros., or any other big movie or music company and the actors and artists are the only ones that loose out on it, so why should the average joe care, if they don't get caught?

The issue is more moral than legal, in my opinion.

Just don't tattle on me, or I'll segregate you from my social circle. }:P
there legal fund is whats started this whole fiasco, there paying for someone to gain access to the file sahring network from the user end and run traces on everything, then maintian entries in there data base so they can get access to the hosting servers blocked by every uk/us isp and probably all of those other countries that have a dmc act in place.

funny thing is there going to have to not target the individuals and just go for the hosting servers or sue there own employee along with all the other sharers or end up with a case dismissed problem for double standards, and then becasue they paid them to do it any half decent lawyer will get all other sharers off on the grounds they were just following the lead of the company employee.

there are legitimate uses for torret services but there are far better storage and distribution methods around so really the goal must be to ban or block all toreent programs

which will in turn throw up other problems since so many games use those same protocols and ports in order to connect clients to servers /

just ban the use of hte software altogether and be done with it really.
Yeah, ban it and see what happens. Are you nuts? That will only exacerbate the problem not fix it. People just don't learn or memories are too short. Not really sure which but look what happened when alcohol was banned back in the '20s here in the US (as an example). Speakeasys all over the place, record number of alcoholics, it even helped give rise to the likes of Al Capone and made criminals out of almost everyone. Try banning ANYTHING and all it will do is a) strengthen the resolve of those who want it and b)create more want for the product then ever before.
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Internship: Spy on kids
jonnieli 21st Oct 2010
Interesting idea, to get interns to try and monitor other young masses. I wonder what the bonus scheme looks like? Free movie for every cease and desist notice you can send? Maybe the International internship program would have more success if they had the participants spreading news about why piracy is bad. Aren't half of the population downloading illegal movies under 16 anyways? Maybe they just need some guidance.

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