Ban BitTorrent if they don't comply

Ban BitTorrent if they don't comply

Summary:  I know many broadband Internet users who, when you ask them their number one reason why they upgraded from dial-up will answer "because I want to use BitTorrent."BitTorrent is a wonderful publishing distribution tool, but they have this reputation of being a facilitator for the unapproved swapping of copyrighted music and movie files.

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I know many broadband Internet users who, when you ask them their number one reason why they upgraded from dial-up will answer "because I want to use BitTorrent."

BitTorrent is a wonderful publishing distribution tool, but they have this reputation of being a facilitator for the unapproved swapping of copyrighted music and movie files.

Earlier this week, as a result of talks with the ever copyright-vigilant Motion Picture Association of America, BitTorrent creator Bram Cohen agreed to strip links to pirate movies out of his bittorrent.com search engine.

Obviously, that will take a little time to happen.

So tell me this: why, when I enter, say, "Broken Flowers" into the BitTorrent search field, do I get this? (Notice the proud "thepiratebay" moniker in the associated BT search results)

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Far as I am concerned, BitTorrent is on a short leash. Let's see how effectual they are in removing this stuff.

If time drags on, and they either show they are incapable of, or unwilling to, do the type of policing the MPAA expects, the BitTorrent site should either be taken down, or approached for some sort of fee-based access - with proceeds going to a honeypot for legitimate copyright holders.

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  • well no and no sir

    you see you cant impose your law in other country aka sweden. (homeland of the best place to find sci-fi show that you miss last night )

    so neither you redo all the law of all country out there or just forget it....

    anyways if and i say if usa can pull a move like that poeple will go back to the old chat room like in the early 90 i cannot be stop. only put back in the shadow.

    wake up man usa/miaa is not that powerful ...

    And that not all country in the world that obey usa period

    well that deserve a beer
    tf
    toxicfreak
  • not only copyrighted materials

    BitTorrent has been used for massive distributions of adware and spyware too.

    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1828633,00.asp

    http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2005/06/aurora-install-source-revealed-and-175.html
    Suzi_z
    • Firefox, Suse Linux, Ubuntu Linix, and other Foss also

      The torrents have been used to distribute a bulk of FOSS software. It is also being used to distribute creative Commons content. Many Linux distros are distributed via the torrents.

      Sure some people abuse it but people also abuse HTTP and FTP (AKA the Internet).
      Edward Meyers
      • The problem is NOT bittorrent the technology ...

        The problem IS with the various 'front ends' that provide access to the torrents. The have a moral (and one would hope, legal) obligation to clean up their content. The same should apply to Google and other search engines. This is not censorship anymore than the fact that stores are expected to refrain from stocking heroin or bazookas on their shelves. Some products are simply not allowed to be make available to the public and if one makes them available then one has commited a criminal act. There are large gray areas and I suspect spyware and adware fall in that category. But search engines should provide filters to attempt to remove such, but their is no excuse whatsoever for a search engine offering access to pirated content ... none. AND email needs to be similarly policed!
        George Mitchell
        • Best place to find Torrent

          Of TV shows at least is Google. Just type the name of the show and BITTORRENT into the google search and you have dozens of torrents to choose from.
          voska
    • I've used BT to download plenty of legit content

      Independent films often use BT and the link is right on thier site. They want you to see thier content.

      I admit I have used BT to get TV show that I missed. But I see no harm in that. I still watch the shows on TV and still buy the DVD Box sets for the shows I really like even though I have already downloaded them. A simple download it not good enough for collectors and only collectors buy TV shows.
      voska
  • Hmmm

    As near as I can tell, it's your point of view that it is the channel's
    fault when people misuse it. There are hundreds of chops shops
    disassembling stolen cars; these parts are shipped across country
    to buyers who congratulate themselves on how they don't pay the
    amounts the suckers pay for the factory authorized parts. I gather
    you would endorse addressing the problem by shutting down
    highways and roads unless all traffic is verifiably not illegal or illicit.
    DannyO_0x98
    • exactly right

      I am of modest means, I got two kids in college and when one of my or my kid's cars break down sometimes we get parts from the salvage yard. I know that in the industry most salvage yards get parts from cars the insurance companies have "Totalled" So a car hit from the back end was not worth fixing, I get an alternater from the front end. Do I know where those parts came from? No. Do I think or believe it was chop shop? No. But could it be? Yes. It is a state licenced yard, and if I had to pay the Buick dealer $300 for an alternator instead of $25 at the salvage yard, I doubt either one of my children would be going to college. (no 275 doesn't make the difference, but three cars times many repairs does.) Should the salvage yard be put out of business because some are unscrupulous? No. So I agree, go after the car thieves and the chop shops, the rest will even out in the end.
      Seenidog
  • Stupid Idea

    That's like saying "ban email because it spreads spam". You can't blame the technology because of the way people are using it. It spreads pirate software/music/movies, but so do web pages, which is primarily where the torrent files are shared from in the first place. It spreads spyware/malware? So do spam links through IM software. What are you going to do? Ban the internet? I think the writer here has no clue as to the concepts he's talking about and should think twice about writing a column like this again.
    clarkee
  • You are clearly wrong

    That's like saying "ban email because it spreads spam". You can't blame the technology because of the way people are using it. It spreads pirate software/music/movies, but so do web pages, which is primarily where the torrent files are shared from in the first place. It spreads spyware/malware? So do spam links through IM software. What are you going to do? Ban the internet? I think the writer here has no clue as to the concepts he's talking about and should think twice about writing a column like this again.
    clarkee
  • MAke all teh meaningless analogies you want, won't matter.

    The noose just keeps getting tighter.
    No_Ax_to_Grind
    • Are you completely clueless?

      I mean try reading the article. It's not making analogies and goes on about shutting down bit torrent sites that are illegal.
      voska
      • I was speaking of the silly posts.

        Sorry, should have been more clear.
        No_Ax_to_Grind
        • Ok, that makes more sense then (NT)

          .
          voska
    • Care to Explain?

      I read all the posts here. I'm just not seeing it...

      So Far one person has pointed out that the DMCA is US Law, which they believe was poorly thought out (There is evidence of that including the Congress OMB report that stated that the DMCA is not being used for its stated purpose) and shouldn't apply in other countries, that many materials are being legaly distributed on the torrents (Which is true. OpenSUSE is being distributed this way http://www.opensuse.org/Development_Version#BitTorrent as are most Linux distros and OO and Mozilla and almost every FOSS app has a torrent for it) , that they should be going after the distributers instead of the technology that allows them to distribute as the technology is neutral to what is distributed (Again materials are legally being distributed- That Finish Star Trek Parody is another example) , and finally that they should be going after the pages that direct people to illegal content instead of going after bit torrent itself.

      I don't see anything there advocating piracy.
      Edward Meyers
  • I would go a bit further ...

    I would say that the Bittorrent Search Engine should simply not link to ANY content on ANY site that hosts contraband torrents. There are plenty of legitimate uses for Bittorrent technology. Those that aren't legitimate should be expunged completely and the easiest way to do this is to methodically blacklist complete sites as pirated material is detected.
    George Mitchell
    • The Problem

      Is that many sites which are identified as having pirated materials are actual legal sites with legal material. The BSA sent a take down notice to a University for hosting Open Office Claiming it was MS Office, The Internet Archive was sent take down notices on a series of Govt Public Service Anouncements (Which started with U) as a copy of a mediocre submarine movie from the 80's, the MPAA sent a takedown notice to the author of XFiler (a 120 Kb file manager written in 1998 for the X Graphic system) as Xfiles the TV series 5, and the list keeps going on going and going.

      A good study on this is here http://mylaw.usc.edu/documents/512Rep/

      Some of their findings (Read the whole thing as it is very good)

      " * Thirty percent of notices demanded takedown for claims that presented an obvious question for a court (a clear fair use argument, complaints about uncopyrightable material, and the like);
      * Notices to traditional ISP?s included a substantial number of demands to remove files from peer-to-peer networks (which are not actually covered under the takedown statute, and which an OSP can only honor by terminating the target?s Internet access entirely); and
      * One out of 11 included significant statutory flaws that render the notice unusable (for example, failing to adequately identify infringing material).

      In addition, we found some interesting patterns that do not, by themselves, indicate concern, but which are of concern when combined with the fact that one third of the notices depended on questionable claims:

      * Over half?57%?of notices sent to Google to demand removal of links in the index were sent by businesses targeting apparent competitors;
      * Over a third?37%?of the notices sent to Google targeted sites apparently outside the United States
      "

      Also the Register UK did a study by placing a public domain speech on 10 different websites using different US based webspace providers. They then sent out take down notices- 7 of the web space providers took down the public domain speech without any notification. 2 sent notices email notifications and took it down. Only 1 webspace provider followed the law and let them file the proper forms stating that the work was published without violating copyright.

      In essence the industry is abusing the take down notices... this shouldn't suprise anyone. If you have been paying attention they are also arguing in congress that legislation that would require clearly marking Copy Protected CDs would dammage their business. They are also arguing in congress that they need less, not more, judicial oversite for take-down notices and are fighting legislation that requires that a judge look at these notices.
      Edward Meyers
  • Aw...

    Well thats too bad. It's awful nobody gives a crap. If the government wants to arrest all Bittorent users that download illegal content, they will have to nail some 1,000,000 or more people. Bittorent is great, you can become a pirate too at www.bittorent.com. Free music and movies for all, baby.
    Del Beano