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A working list of apps not working on Vista

By | September 27, 2006, 5:29am PDT

Summary: Microsoft may be reticent to provide a list of what’s not working on Vista, but that isn’t stopping others from going public with their findings.

Microsoft may be reticent to provide a list of what’s not working on Vista, but that isn’t stopping others from going public with their findings.

The folks over on IEXBeta.com have published as a Wiki a list of applications that work (mostly) well; work somewhat less well and don’t work at all with Windows Vista Release Candidate (RC) 1.

(Caveat: While this is not a Microsoft-certified list, I found it via a Microsoft blogger who pointed to it.)

First off, there are a lot more apps listed as working than not on IEXBeta’s list. But cutting to the chase – the section marked “Heavy Problems, Currently Incompatible” – here’s IEXBeta’s partial list, comprised by their site’s members, of applications aren’t doing so well on the Vista compatibility front. In no particular order:

• Crystal Reports

• Microsoft Expression Web (“Quartz”)

• Oracle Developer Suite 10g

• Oracle Workflow Builder

• Cisco Security Agent firewall

• Windows LiveMail Beta (with Rhapsody support)

• Diskeeper Professional Premier

• HP OpenView Service Desk

• Novell Client

• Symantec/Norton Partition Magic

“Currently incompatible,” for these purposes, means everything from “installation fails,” to “installs but doesn’t work,” to “crashes when run.”

Surprises on the list?

Many antispyware and antivirus applications do work just fine, in spite of – or maybe because of – the outcry of many of Microsoft’s competitors.

According to the IEXBeta testers, AdAware SE Personal, McAfee Enterprise Spyware, McAfee VirusScan Enterprise, Norton 360 Beta, Symantec Antivirus (version 10.2.0.199), Trend Micro v14.56.1008 (32 Bit) and Trend Micro PCC14.56EN VistaBeta2 (64 Bit) all work fine with Vista RC1.

Not surprisingly, many popular games are encountering at least some problems when tested on RC1. IEXBeta groups the majority of games under the “working” category, but notes the various quirks testers should expect to encounter when running them (resolution problems, rogue warnings and more).

In the “sort-of, kind-of works” with Vista RC1 category, there are some interesting entries, too. Adobe Photoshop CS2 encounters a number of problems, many of which can be alleviated by manually installing the program, according to the list notes. Microsoft Office Communicator (version 1.0.559) experiences “random crashes.” Trillian (version 3.1) isn’t working correctly with Aero Glass. Firefox Beta 2, IEXBeta’s listing says, “(i)nstalls fine. Runs great. After the first restart of Vista it will not open.” VMWare Workstation (version 5.5.2) requires users to run as Administrator – a Vista no-no — for “full functionality.”

On a related note, Microsoft released last week a new 91-page whitepaper that includes more app-compatibility guidance, specifically around how to develop and tailor applications to accommodate Vista’s User Access Control (UAC) functionality.

“Whether or not your application will be affected by UAC depends on the application’s current state,” the UAC paper notes. “In a number of cases, no changes will be necessary to comply with Microsoft Windows Security requirements. However, some applications, including line of business (LOB) applications, may require changes to their install, function, and update processes to properly work in a Windows Vista UAC environment.”

Thanks to readers who’ve been sending me their own Vista app-compatibility testing results. Keep ‘em coming. Meanwhile, I’m curious: Do your tests back the IEXBeta members’ findings?

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RE: A working list of apps not working on Vista
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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slight correction
kilkenny 27th Sep 2006
Microsoft Expression Web Designer = "Quartz", not "Sparkle" (that's Interactive Designer).

I hate those corporate names for those porducts, btw. Expression is a good name for the suite, but Quartz, Sparkle & Acrylic are much better app names than Web Designer, Interactive Designer & Graphic Designer.
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slight correction on code names
Mary Jo Foley 27th Sep 2006
Thanks, KilKenny. You are right. I changed Expression Web to "Quartz." Thanks.
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This is clearly the fault of the software companies not keeping up with Microsoft's constantly improving source code in its new superior operating system. It is the lack of proactiveness on the part of these programmers that is the reason they are incompatible with Vista's rock-solid source code, and if they cannot keep up with the times it isn't Microsoft's problem.
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NT
:o)

you are getting good
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You are not qualified
No_Ax_to_Grind 27th Sep 2006
to judge anything...
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Neither are you(nT)
DarthRidiculous 27th Sep 2006
.
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I agree
not of this world 27th Sep 2006
complete amateur ranting with no basis.

i guess you "really" cant grind if you have no axe. now that makes sence and now i understand completely.
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Give the man credit , when the credit is well deserved .
I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . 5th Oct 2006
I'll say ole chap , you are doing extremely well here in the caves . You are doing an exceptional job one responses . I'll give you a 10 for a well composed satirical story . I checked out your response on another board and you did an even better job on L.D.

"In a world without walls and fences , who needs windows and gates."
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A bigger concern
No_Ax_to_Grind 27th Sep 2006
Microsoft wrote and distributed (WinXP) a control called MSWebDVD that hundreds (thousands?) of applications use internally.

For reasons not explained they decided to remove it from Vista and it can not be installed from previous versions.

End result, LOTS of broken apps.
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It was gone in Beta 1...
PB_z 27th Sep 2006
To be fair, MS removed it from Beta 1 and even mentioned its removal in the Beta 1 Release Notes: http://www.activewin.com/articles/2005/15.shtml

I don't like it either when MS removes stuff, but you can't blame them for not warning people; it certainly wasn't a sudden move. ISVs have had over a year since Beta 1's release to update their programs.

Personally, I don't know of any apps that use it... I can't believe that they number in the thousands. Can you point to a list?
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Almost all games
No_Ax_to_Grind 27th Sep 2006
use it to display "video" from the DVD.

I understand they removed it and warned people, but the real issue is there is nothing available to replace it. (Short of completely building your own player.)

Like I said, I can understand improving it (and other controls) but to simply take it out with no replacement is a deal breaker.

But more to the point, if MS begs developers to use their managed code/controls and then take huge chunks out and break all existing apps it will drive the developers away.

Honestly, I and lots of other developers are getting sick of constantly having to recode applications because MS changed directions, over, and over, and over...

Makes a guy want to go back to VB 5....
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So, what did they use
Joeman57 27th Sep 2006
when you played the game on win 2000?
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The dll could be
No_Ax_to_Grind 28th Sep 2006
installed on Win 2000 and was shipped with the app/game.
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odd
CobraA1 27th Sep 2006
Most games I've played do one of three things:

-Use a custom, proprietary video decoder and display the video directly onto a DirectX surface.

-Use a common video codec such as DivX, and hook into Windows Media player somehow.

-Use Bink video (despite the cost, it seems to be popular).

I have my doubts as to how often this control is actually used in games. Most games I know of use DirectX and not ActiveX.
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Actually it plugs into DirectX
No_Ax_to_Grind 28th Sep 2006
or visa versa
...when using a limited account. Because if it doesn't work as a limited user on XP, you can hardly expect it to work on Vista.

You can't blame Microsoft for the apps that fall into that category: those apps have had HOW MANY years to get their act together? In fact, in Vista MS is even trying to make it easier for those kinds of apps, through Program Files & Registry virtualization.
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OS utilities
Michael Kelly 27th Sep 2006
don't belong on this list. Versions programed for the current OS will almost never work on a newer OS, and this has been the case with every new version of Windows. So take the firewalls, defraggers, and partitioners off the list, because it's unreasonable to expect versions programmed for XP to work with Vista. I'm sure replacements will be available soon after Vista goes gold. Actually, I think it's nothing short of miraculous that AV programs are working.

The database utilities are a concern, and so are the MS programs listed. But the other ones really are OS specific.
... Vista as listed below:

NONE
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Big Deal
John Zern 27th Sep 2006
That happens with Apple every OS release they put out....
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You're kidding, right?
comp_indiana 27th Sep 2006
Dream on, hardly anything breaks when going from one verion
of OS X to another. Going from OS 9 to OS X that was a far
bigger shift than going from Win 98 to Win XP.

From XP to Vista would be comparable to going from 10.3 to
10.4 in terms of the features that have been added (which of the
planned features that were SUPPOSED to be in Vista actually
made the cut, I am losing track, though I can remember a lot of
stufff (like a new file system) that was SUPPOSED to be included.

Upgrading Macs is like a cake walk compared to upgrading
windows, that is why practially EVERY mac user upgrades and
about the ONLY time a windows user upgrades is with new
hardware.
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Ummm...
dkosters 28th Sep 2006
You have numbers to back this up??

Making statements list "hardly anything breaks" and "practially EVERY mac user upgrades" (your spelling, not mine) is silly.

How about when Apple changes hardware architectures (ie 68000 series to PowerPC, then PowerPC to Intel)? That's a huge shift that forces wholesale upgrades of everything.

Most of the issues aren't with the OS, it's with poorly written apps that Microsoft has no control over. I support many apps in XP that require local Admin privileges for the user. That's not Microsoft's fault.
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No clue
DarthRidiculous 27th Sep 2006
You obvious don't know anything about Mac OS.
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I obviously know enough
John Zern 27th Sep 2006
that going from one release to another we had to upgrade software packages from various vendors in order to use them on the new releases.

Whether this was the venor's fault or Apples, I can't say, all I know is it happened every time.
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broken apps.
lotta_anger 27th Sep 2006
You just made up my mind. one new hard drive and linux. Talk about TOC . Just arranging for the patches I'll need will cost more than VISTA
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Vista a disappointment
lhehe@... 27th Sep 2006
Sure, the new interface looks good, but both my test PC's ( One a Dell 4100 from the factory, the other a home grown AMD Athlon 64 3K+) puked too many apps back at me for me to make the conversion.

Forget Nero and Roxio. ImgBurn (32bit only)worked and Deepburner didn't. NTI Backup Now! fails.

What once was a fairly fast pair of PC's now crawl to their destination.

FireFox is now useless ( both), and Thunderbird frequently quits responding(32) and won't install (64).

Anyone get Norton SystemWorks to install??

My 64bit box is now the home of Suse 10.1...

I think I'll install K12LTSP on the 32bit box as a in-house server for my kids for homework.
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64 bit
markbn 28th Sep 2006
> My 64bit box is now the home of Suse 10.1...

AMD64 I guess? If so, how is your experience going up to now with
Linux on AMD64? Did you find all the drivers you need?

I am planning to buy a laptop with a Turion 64 ML processor and
want to dual boot windows 32 bit and Linux 64 bits, but I am
afraid I will not find all the drivers I need
If software makers want to keep selling software, then it's their job
to make their software work with Vista. I find it odd that the mighty
Microsoft who puts people out of business with the snap of a finger
and bullies computer makers as well as their own customers would
cave to pressures to make their operating system compatible with
all old software. If you want a better operating system than broke
down old XP, then software makers will have to update or upgrade
(upgrade actually makes money) thier software to work with Vista.
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Apps for Vista
hrosita@... 28th Sep 2006
In my opinion software vendors and Microsoft should work together to insure that when the new system is available as a production version, software that runs on XP will run on Vista.
I cannot see upgrading for cost applications like Photoshop CS2, Partition Magic, Photoshop Elements, etc. I agree that old software that was running on Win 98se should be upgraded but no way will I convert to Vista if I have to buy new versions of other applications (like Diskeeper, Vcom Fix-it, etc).
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Why do the old apps not run?
balsover 28th Sep 2006
In many cases it is because the developers wrote their software with the assumption that you would have Administrator rights when you ran their software. How many of your old applications will not run correctly without that, chances are many more than you think. As a Windows developer I actually do have a restricted login on my Windows XP workstation to verify that the software that I write does not require administrator rights, whenever I log into that account it really irritates me to see how many other applications that I have installed that complain about the restricted rights. This isn't MS's fault, they are just finally getting around to enforcing security in that way that it should have been done when XP came out.
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Funny thing is...
Ginevra 28th Sep 2006
I don't find XP so old and broken down. Of course, I only upgraded from 98SE about a year and a half ago, when my old computer died and my needs had finally outgrown 98's capabilities. I anticipate much the same thing happening with XP and Vista.

The thing MS doesn't want people to realize is that any new OS is inherently buggy and limited in its usefulness and will remain so for a while after its release, whereas its predecessor (particularly one that's been the standard for as long as XP has) will be better understood and supported by the Internet community at large, have many more compatible apps, drivers and devices available, and will gradually become less a target for malware creators as the new OS becomes more and more widely adopted.

As for MS caving to pressure, they've always made at least some effort at backward compatibility, with varying degrees of success. In fact, XP actually handles certain vintage Windows 3.1 apps better than 98 did and will still run some DOS programs. It's a mnumental task, I'm sure, with the years of cumulative code changes that have been implemented from one version to the next, and I for one am very glad MS makes the effort in that depertment and sincerely hope they continue the tradition with Vista.
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Kill all 8-bit and 16-bit programs.
Species8472 28th Sep 2006
Just Allow 32-bit and (64-bit if hardware supports it) boom 3/4 of your problems with Vista will be fixed.
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What the heck?!
PB_z 29th Sep 2006
First of all, what 8-bit programs are you thinking of?!

And, can you point to *any* 16-bit programs that cause "3/4 of your problems with Vista" ?!

The vast majority of the time, you probably don't have any 16-bit programs running. If you look at your Processes list in Task Manager, and you see NTVDM.EXE, you have some 16-bit program(s) running. If you don't see NTVDM, you don't have any running!

NTVDM has been virtually unchanged since the NT4 days (notice how all the DLLs in the 16-bit "system" folder are marked WOW version 4.0, and are copyright 1996). 16-bit support is quite isolated and isn't the cause of any Vista problems.
going to be there when Vista finally hits the Walmart floor.

Can someome verify that the "Aero" will be completely functional on the official Vista? 3D desktop and transparent windows is something many people are looking for in earnest.

Incidentally, some people claim that Aero is cool and others that it is hot. Is it cool or just Hot Aero?

thanks
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You've fallen for the rumors
Curelom 28th Sep 2006
Aero WILL be available in all versions of Vista. Whether your computer will support it is a different matter. If you've bought your video card within the past couple of years, chances are it will work.
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Mac, Linux, Vista -- Choose One?
gfisher@... 28th Sep 2006
The Windows versions of those apps won't run on Linux or Linux-like machines (such as BSD/Max OSX) either, so maybe the smart move is to go for the best-developed technology (Linux/BSD) and new apps rather than an untried buggy new OS that'll require buying new apps anyway.
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I am one of the Beta testers for Vista. I worry less about software not working, than my hardware. Software can be fixed by rewriting the program. Forcing me to buy a new computer is what will stop me from using Vista!

I had installed Vista Ultimate (RC1), and found my sub-1 year old $1600 Gateway laptop (P4 2.8Ghz HT/1GB/533Mhz FSB/Dual layer DVD+RW/64MB Intel video onboard video) could not burn DVD or CD any longer!

I know the Intel chip is the problem and don't need preached at, but I needed horsepower to render and create video projects and burn DVD while away from a desktop. I make them to watch on a TV, not to watch it on my computer screen. I imagined/hoped to be able to use my laptop/destop replacement system, knowing I would be limited to not useing the unwanted/uneeded "AERO" features. Fluff,bells and whistles don't do much for me.

Vista error reporting states that I do not have a "video card" with the capabilities to allow DVD/CD burning. The DVD and CD creation programs will not even start.

None of my previously XP compatible software would any longer work (Nero/Pinnacle Studio/ULead), which I expected, but neither would the Vista included DVD/CD maker programs. What does a video card have to do with CD burning, let alone DVD burning? I just don't get it. I'm not an expert in that area, I admit.

I have decided to not test or use Vista RC1 any longer, and will be hard pressed to upgrade to any Vista retail version until I can afford (and see the benefits to) buy another $1600 laptop. That will be a while Microsoft! I will not fix what ain't broken.

Microsoft needs to address this issue, as buying a new system to be compatible with a new OS, will not sell many copies of Vista. Notebooks are just now beginning to have the upgraded video "cards" and millions of laptops and destops with onboard video can not be upgraded!

Millions upon millions of computers will never be able to meet the Vista requirements to do what Vista is promoting so heavily, making multimedia experiences (viewing OR creation) such a necessary part of Microsoft's idea of a new world!

See you in 3-4 years Microsoft Vista! When XP is no longer supported, your strategy will work and I will buy a new system with your new OS on it, but only when I am forced to...
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re: Broken apps not the real killer
cbradshaw@... 30th Sep 2006
Oh! So That is what the problem is! I wondered why I could no longer use my DVD+RWs as RWs in Vista Beta 2, but as MRW Read Only, AFTER I had fixed the same problem in XP Pro. I tried the same fix for XP Pro in Beta 2, but it didn't work.

I do Data DVD+RWs for transfer between computers, and temporary archiving, as I have over 20 GB of 3D CGI Content archives (including software), plus some 2D CGI content.
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Apps not working on Vista?
jgmsys@... 28th Sep 2006
Hmmmm....there's a surprise.

After spending a fair amount of time with Beta 2 and RC1, I have concluded that Vista is rubbish. I have no intention of moving to this platform anytime soon. I'm sticking with XP and Linux.
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I've not had many problems
k12IT 28th Sep 2006
I've got to disagree that Vista is rubbish. It works well on my system with only 2 minor problems that are already know issues that will be fixed. I've been able to find most of the differences in the way XP handles things and Vista does. I've spent a lot of time playing with the networking and it's pretty easy once you take the time to learn it.

Most end users won't see a major difference in the way Vista works versus XP other than the UAC and the cosmetic changes. I like XP, I also like Vista. I don't expect all my programs to work in Vista and as George Ou says, some should break because they are poorly written.
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I haven't had many problems either
jddingwall 28th Sep 2006
I've found a few apps that I have that don't work with Vista--Nero 7 Ultra is one of them that I care doesn't work. However, I find programs work faster in Vista and shutdown seems at least ten times as fast as XP as is startup. I like Vista better than XP.
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Not MS's Fault
erniescar99 29th Sep 2006
A couple of points...

1. Many software companies didn't take Vista seriously until around Q2 2006... they thought it was another simple upgrade from XP. They didn't have a clue how UAC, session 0 isolation, changes to virtualization, running as standard user, etc would impact thier current apps. Most are playing catch up now that they realize how much work they need to do to run on Vista.
2. Surprisingly, most Software companies don't structure thier product release cycles around MS OS releases. They are own thier own schedules to deliver thier own enhancements and updates and because of point#1 are now struggling to adapt to Vista.
3. Likewise, not all hardware vendors are pumping out Vista drivers like they should be. Many have no 64 bit drivers. It would be nice to have everything work with drivers that ship with Vista but the reality is some you will have to download long after Vista ships.
Forget about Windows Vista because if you get Windows Vista, you will end up having to buy new hardware to be fully and completely compatible to even be able to get Windows Vista to work with all of its new fancy dancy functions that everyone does not need. And you will have to buy completely new software to get everything to work under Windows Vista. Windows Vista is a FAILURE if it isn't compatible with your current hardware and if it can't run the software that you already have. Windows Vista is only for the geeks who are addicted always getting the latest upgrades.
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Apps and Vista Beta 2
cbradshaw@... 30th Sep 2006
I have downloaded, but not yet burned the RC1 DVD. My experience is with Beta 2. The apps I was concerned most about are my 3D and 2D CGI software that I use. Most of which require OpenGL 1.5 or better. nVidia's drivers for Beta 2 work great. Most 3D apps had a minor conflict with some of Aero Glass features, which Vista Beta 2 disabled while those apps were running, and restored those features after those apps were closed. This is very nice. The other CGI apps had no problem with Aero Glass at all.

Mozilla Suite 1.7.13 runs perfectly in User mode in Vista Beta 2.

The only problems I had were with the games I had installed under XP Pro SP2. I made the mistake of doing the upgrade, and could not uninstall those games in Vista Beta 2.

The nicest surprise I got, was that my System Commander MBR was restored after Vista was finished installing.

The nastiest was losing my CDRW and DVDRW functionality, after I had fixed it in XP Pro, and the same fix didn't work in Beta 2. (Same exact problem)

Anyways, that is my report on my experiences so far.

I have to repartition my first HD, install 2k Pro, and setup a partition for Vista RC1.
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Windows Vista
Aerospaceman 2nd Oct 2006
I recently downloaded the Windows Vista RC1 advisor and it told me there were problems on my system: like my intellipoint used for my microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse. McAvee will not work, Nero will not work and Qwest DSL will not work. Windows Vista is NOT READY !!!
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...yes, but what about PS/2?
bohspa 9th Oct 2006
PS/2 has been clinging to life for the past 10 years (at least that's when I first heard it was headed for the axe), I've heard rumors that Vista was going to abandon PS/2 support (will MS pull the drivers out of Vista?) in 2008 releases. But what about Motherboard support? Will Intel and AMD finally pull the plug?
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RE: A working list of apps not working on Vista
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