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Allowing users to 'vote' for browsers could be Microsoft's worst nightmare

By | June 8, 2009, 10:54am PDT

There have been a couple of leaks of late in the ongoing Microsoft antitrust trial in the European Union that could spell bad news for the Softies if they’re true.

A couple of weeks back, the Wall Street Journal reported that the European Commission was leaning toward requiring Microsoft to distribute other vendors’ browsers with Windows as one piece of the possible remedy in the case brought by Opera Software. Given that Opera originally sought some kind of distribution deal to “level the playing field” among browser vendors, that kind of requirement wouldn’t be a surprise.

But on June 8 Bloomberg reported that the EC has distributed a survey to a number of PC makers, asking them about a possible “ballot screen” that it might require Microsoft to include with Windows. There aren’t a lot of specifics as to what such a screen might look like, but one can guess it would offer users, at installation, a choice of Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, Chrome and possibly Safari. It’s also not clear whether the actual browser bits would be on the disk/DVD or users would be required, via a ballot-screen prompt, to download their choice from the Web.  (Microsoft isn’t commenting on this alleged remedy, or pretty much anything involving the EC antitrust case, for what it’s worth.)

Having just returned from a demo today of Firefox 3.5 — a new interim test build of which is due out this week, with a Release Candidate and then final code expected to follow shortly — I’d say Microsoft could be in some serious trouble if users really are encouraged to choose proactively based on features and functionality, rather than take the easy way and use what’s provided by default. The new Firefox has a number of features, from “tear-off” tabs, to souped-up JavaScript performance, to audio/video integration directly into the browser window, that aren’t in IE. (Granted, IE 8 has several features, like granular private-browsing settings, that Mozilla is just getting around to now. But the new capabilities Mozilla is touting for its 3.5 release are the kinds of “demos-well” features that could convince fence-sitting users to jump.)

If the EC simply requires PC makers to provide a check-box list of browsers, Microsoft’s known-quantity status might keep some customers from switching to lesser-known competitors. But many less-savvy users don’t know there are browsers other than IE out there. They might be inclined to try a browser from Apple or Google simply because they know Apple makes iPhones and Google delivers Web search. And if there is any kind of “trailer” or mini-demo allowed as part of the “balloting” process, via which each browser vendor could submit a two-minute clip of what each browser could do, Microsoft might have some very serious competition on its hands.

As I’ve said before, I’m somewhat surprised the EC agreed to pursue Opera’s case, given Microsoft has been allowed to claim for years — with next-to-no challenge — that IE is part of Windows. (I say “somewhat” because the EC sems hard-pressed to find any anti-Microsoft case it doesn’t like.) But the case is forging ahead, with Microsoft’s proactive move to allow the “removal” of IE from Windows 7 seeming to have done little to blunt the court’s enthusiasm.

Instead of debating the usual “the EC is right/the EC is wrong,” I’d like to hear what you think of the possible “ballot screen” remedy.

Up until now, I’ve felt the EC Microsoft browser-bundling case was more pro-competitor than pro-consumer. But if Microsoft isn’t forced to distribute its competitors’ products, and, instead, is required to offer customers a choice of brower at startup, might that option be a boon to customers and not just the competition?  Do you think more users would choose non-Microsoft alternatives if offered a choice at installation? Would this kind of remedy allow the best browser to win?

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RE: Allowing users to 'vote' for browsers could be Microsoft's worst nightmare
dsfwrryd4101-24353678324541271121611409328105 11th Nov
huujbb,good post!
I?d say Microsoft could be in some serious trouble if users really are allowed to choose browsers based on features and functionality.

Your blog makes it sound as if they are not.
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Although that is a matter of marketing, then again where do you get a marketing budget for a product that must be made available for free to compete?

IE doesn't need marketing because it is there by default. How many joe blow users know what IE really is?
...they may be aware of. If people are unaware of the alternatives that's not Microsoft's fault.
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According to most anti-trust statutes
Michael Kelly 8th Jun 2009
is IS Microsoft's fault, because they illegally leveraged their way into the market by piggy-backing it to a monopoly product.

You can disagree with the logic of the statutes all you want, but that does not change the fact that they do exist.
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Two different concepts.
ye 8th Jun 2009
You're referring to tying. I'm referring to lack of awareness to alternatives. They are not the same.
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I understand that
Michael Kelly 8th Jun 2009
However the reason we are going through this charade in the first place is because of the tying. Once that happens we are free to jump to many conclusions, including one which assumes that the market has been so cornered by a monopoly product that should a potential competitor try to so much as release an advertisement they encounter so much resistance due to their lowly status that it can put them out of business.

Now I'm not saying I interpret it that way (in fact, Firefox has done quite nicely, and it DOES advertise, though not on TV or radio). But when you do something illegal you open yourself to speculation of your motives and future plans. I agree that forcing Windows to ship other browsers is absurd, and I certainly do not side with the EC on this matter, but MS could have avoided this situation by following the law.
They are free to choose thus the wording was misleading. MJ has corrected the wording so I have not more objection.
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@MK: you say...
thx-1138_@... Updated - 12th Jun 2009
"...but MS could have avoided this situation by following the law."

It seems you have this thing in your mind that the law is *somehow* right. Otherwise why would you be pursuing an ongoing discussion about 'what the law (purportedly) stands for'??

If you were being even remotely logical about this, you would see how p.c and B$ the whole EU case is from square-one.

This isn't even to mention that you don't acknowledge people's right to choose *whatever browser* they damn, well please. It's irrelevant whether they 'know of others or not'. I mean really? Can you Google "internet browser"? If *any* schmoe can't perform a task that a 5 year old could perform, they've got bigger problems than just reading and writing difficulties.

Frankly, tell us with *all honestly*, "how?" for the life of Brian, this is MS's fault???
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Arg!
medezark@... 8th Jun 2009
Thank goodness that the EU didn't decide to weigh in on file management GUI's, the BASIC computer language (You know commodore computers had a version of BASIC built in, stifling competition in the programming language market), Disk Operating Systems (What do you mean you include a copy of DOS 6.2 with your PC's? You should give your users a CHOICE!!) And on and on and on. Or maybe we should hit Ford with a lawsuit because they insist on putting TIRES on their cares when they sell them. My GOODNESS you meant if I buy a microwave it has a pre-installed magnetron that I can't remove and replace with whatever brand magnetron I want to use?? RESTRAINT OF TRADE!! MONOPOLY!!

Maybe Nvidia should stop writing drivers for their video cards, 'cause you know that stifles competition in the driver market.

The convergence and incorporation of utility programs into the core OS is in the very nature of the development and evolution of the computer. The core of the computing experience is, more and more, BECOMING THE WEB BROWSER. Thus it is only logical that the web browser and core operating sysetem become more and more intertwined.

Besides, there is nothing preventing the end user from installing and using an alternate browser, except apathy. In Windows 7, microsoft has even included a simple check box allowing the removal of internet explorer, in a counterintuitive move to address these laputian complaints.
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Re: Arg!
justanitguy 9th Jun 2009
Can't you just see it happening now? Aunt Sally goes to uninstall IE without having any other browser installed; how does she get another browser downloaded? I can hear the screaming now; "Microsoft has screwed me! I don't have internet access!"
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Re: Arg!
jasonemmg 9th Jun 2009
Then Aunt Sally should do the following:

1. Go back to school
2. Re-install IE from the CD/DVD
3. Get her nephew or niece to download FIREFOX for her.
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You missed the definition of monopoly ...
terry flores 9th Jun 2009
Your argument is baseless. If you don't like the tires on a Ford, you can buy GM, Toyota, Nissan, etc. If you buy a PC (any PC) at Best Buy, it will come with Microsoft Windows on it. The only alternative is to buy a Mac which had 10% market share last time I checked. That's the definition of monopoly.
Then don't buy from Bestbuy.... Get a PC from Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, System76, Apple, Pystar (though legally questionable), etc. that includes a Linux distro, FreeDOS, etc., is unformatted, or build your own. There are alternatives. The percentage of the population chooses them is irrelevant. If you don't like IE and never want to open it, then don't. Use a terminal, external medium, or connect to another machine on a local network to obtain builds of another browser as you could on Mac OS X or Linux. Apple bundles hardware with their OS, why exactly don't I see everyone going after them?
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How does your definition now applies to IE?

And more so,you could as well install Linux on
your PC!
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Monopolies aren't illegal...
artzm 9th Jun 2009
Lets blame MS for Apple having a terrible EULA
that doesn't allow you to install software you
bought from them on hardware unless you also
bought it from them. They also sell Macs at
Best Buy. Let me remind you it isn't illegal to
be a monopoly, it is illegal to "use" that
position. MS doesn't stop you from changing the
browser, the average consumer chooses not to
because it works the way they need it to.

You can buy new tires for any of the vehicles
you mentioned, but that doesn't mean that any
of those companies should be required to put
the competitors tires on their vehicles.
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Microsoft was not convicted...
epcraig 10th Jun 2009
Microsoft wasn't convicted of being a monopoly, that's not illegal.
Microsoft was convicted of abusing their monopoly.
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Microsoft Halloween documents leak
Ole Man 10th Jun 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_Documents

http://catb.org/~esr/halloween/

Where will Microsoft try to drag you today?
Do you really want to go there?

http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=87183
Jury orders Microsoft to pay $388 million over anti-piracy patent

http://www.vistaheads.com/forums/security-news/1689-microsoft-convicted-fine-1-52-billion.html
Microsoft convicted to a fine of $1.52 billion

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2118681/microsoft-convicted-software-piracy
Microsoft convicted of software piracy

Delicious irony has geek community in raptures

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/Register_UK_Microsoft_Convicted_Of_Piracy_In_French_Courts/
Register UK: Microsoft Convicted Of Piracy In French Courts

Whassamatta? Don't know how to use Google, or just can't read too good?
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Nope!!!
shadfurman 10th Jun 2009
Your argument is completely assumptive and I
find actually proves that Microsoft is NOT a
monopoly.

"The only alternative is to buy a Mac which had
10% market share"

Not true, there are other options, but people
don't choose them. Same as why people choose
not to purchase Apple in as high of quantities.
There are MANY choices.

The LACK of choice is what defines a monopoly.

(does chiquita have a monopoly on bananas?)
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The only alternative is to buy a Mac...
neverhome 10th Jun 2009
The reasons Mac has an inferior market share are:

1. Very poor marketing by the mfr
2. Failure to license the architecture way back when
3. Windows is a superior product.

MS is "at fault" only for #3.
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That...
mojorison67@... 9th Jun 2009
was one of the most ridiculous posts I have read, and that is saying allot. I wouldn't even know where to begin...
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lol
shadfurman 10th Jun 2009
soon the problem won't be that they're including
IE with windows, but that they're including
windows with IE.

"Users should be allowed to CHOOSE the OS that
comes packaged with their browser"

hehehe
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I'm sorry...
LiquidLearner 8th Jun 2009
I haven't seen a single Firefox or Opera commercial. Ever. The biggest reason FF got its name out was trying to break the download record. It just goes to show that what the competition lacks is marketing. How exactly their failure to spend money on marketing, like every other company in existance, results in MS being forced into offering their competition with a MS product is beyond me. I'm not even sure how someone like you can fail to see what is so blatantly wrong.

I know MS isn't your favorite company, but when IE's competition invests in actually getting people to hear about them I do not see what business the EC has stepping in. If Firefox can reach 20%+ share by word of mouth and a couple day new channel blip then imagine what they'd do if they actually tried. So maybe the EC just needs to tell them to find a way to support an advertising campaign or shut up already.
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Here's a Firefox commercial
Zogg 8th Jun 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWDVxuhNo4A

Surely you've seen this before?!
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No...
LiquidLearner 8th Jun 2009
and bad Youtube videos don't count. We're talking something that people other than people who already know Firefox exists.
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... does not imply that the commercial has only ever appeared on YouTube. In case you hadn't noticed, a lot of TV programs seem to end up on YouTube too, in various low-quality formats. Are they all "bad Youtube videos" too?

This is a Firefox commercial. Deal with it.
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A massive, for-profit corporation vs. . .
CodeCurmudgeon 9th Jun 2009
In this case we have a massive for-profit corporation with a monopoly product vs a non-profit, a hardware company which decided to port a bit of it's system over to Windows to encourage compatibility, and a tiny for-profit company.

Of these, who has an advertising budget which which could counter Microsoft's dominance? I doubt if all of 'em put together would reach even a few percent of what Microsoft spends on projects who's principle objective is to help prevent them from attracting negative publicity on account of their profitability.

"Microsoft delenda est!"
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you are right!
mojorison67@... 9th Jun 2009
I'm sure they are just not trying....the slackers. How are you all not seeing the point that MS doesn't have to market their browser. See the advantage?
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WHAT MONOPOLY PRODUCT?????
BernieLyons 8th Jun 2009
There are at least 4 operating systems out there that I know of and customers can choose what they want.
The European Union is run by a bunch of socialist zeolots that want to tear down anything that is successful.
Their day is coming though. The more conservative politicians are winning by the drove over there now and I think Microft is more likely to get a fair hearing once that happens.
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So the EU will get a sane government
LiquidLearner 8th Jun 2009
and the US will be stuck with the pseudo-socialist situation we're building with the bailouts. Awesome.
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thats the cycle!
shadfurman 10th Jun 2009
if only we could find a way to remember the
difference. Or maybe teach kids what socialism and
communism is... but no... we're stupid adults
stuck in the last generation hindering progress,
hating and controlling the world with our evil
monopolies (that incidentally paid for their
collage, and food stamps while they WENT to
collage, and apparently learned crap)
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The law is the law, and the people in power have made their opinions as to how they will interpret it known far and wide. You can whine about it all you want, but it won't have any bearing in the end.

It's strange, but it's the very ignorance and unwillingness to change that MS caters to in the average computer user that works against them in these anti-trust legal proceedings.
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Oh, I think it does
rtk 9th Jun 2009
At one time in the US, slavery was allowed by law.

Thankfully, the law can and does change over time.
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Completely bogus argument
terry flores 9th Jun 2009
"There are at least 4 operating systems out there that I know of and customers can choose what they want."

Where? Can I buy a PC at Best Buy without paying for MS Windows? No. So I have to pay the Microsoft tax no matter if I erase it and install one of the other operating systems.

And your comment about "conservative politicians" in the EU is highly amusing, since their definition of conservative is that they protect national interests over EU commonality. That means "conservative" politicians like Merkel are providing even more gov't support to German unions and trade protections to German companies at the expense of free trade across the Euro-zone. Do just a little more reading before you start posting.
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Is Best Buy a monopoly also?
Churlish Updated - 9th Jun 2009
You imply that consumers have nowhere else to go besides Best Buy, Walmart, Staples, etc. for their computers.

The last time I checked, there are countless outlets (brick & mortar as well as online) where people can buy new systems of ALL types ... Windows, Apple, Linux, and bare bones boxes with no pre-installed OS.

OK, let's say that Windows is sold almost exclusively at most "convenient" brick & mortar stores. Is this wrong? Should the government also intervene and tell these stores what products they should sell?

While we're at it, it's just not fair that there's a McDonalds on every corner, but I have to drive ten miles to get a real burger. Should the government do something about that, too?
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Can you buy a PC in a Mac store?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 9th Jun 2009
No - not really.

Best buy is a store that has chosen to sell only machines running Windows because that is what the market demands. Many have tried to sell Linux at retail (WalMart, BestBuy, CompUSA, ...), but customers didn't want PC's running Linux.

Apple's Mac stores choose not to ship Apple PC's and laptops running anything other than OSX. Should I be able to demand a MacBook without OSX on it? I could, but it's Apple's right NOT to sell it to me or not to discount the price of the machine by the price of OSX.

Microsoft isn't stifling anyone's ability or right to download and install whatever browser they like. THAT would be anti-competitive and WOULD get them into more trouble. In fact, Microsoft hosted the Firefox team a couple of years back, helping FF run better on Windows (changes were made on both sides).

Fact is, that this action has been brought (primarily) by a commercial browser company that doesn't know how to make money. Microsoft is under no obligation to help promote competitors at its own cost.
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Can you buy a PC in a Mac store?
Wintel BSOD Updated - 9th Jun 2009
Can you buy a PC in a Mac store?

Irrelevant. With Apple having under 10% of the desktop market, that's not considered a monopoly.

Best buy is a store that has chosen to sell only machines running Windows because that is what the market demands.

No it's not. It's based on what Microshaft demands. They have a history of anti-competitive practices.

Many have tried to sell Linux at retail (WalMart, BestBuy, CompUSA, ...), but customers didn't want PC's running Linux.

They were feeble attempts sold on old underpowered hardware. Technology at least 3 to 5 years out of date. They were never installed or offered as an option on the latest dual core and quad core machines.

Apple's Mac stores choose not to ship Apple PC's and laptops running anything other than OSX.

Apple also builds their own hardware. Microshaft does not own or build HP or Dell, so one would believe that other competing OSes (mainly Linux) would have a chance being sold under those brand names. Guess again.

Should I be able to demand a MacBook without OSX on it?

Once again, irrelevant. Apple is not a monopoly.

I could, but it's Apple's right NOT to sell it to me or not to discount the price of the machine by the price of OSX.

Apple has an EULA that even I find questionable, however if they had a lot more than the 10% share they have now, then I'd be alarmed about it.

Microsoft isn't stifling anyone's ability or right to download and install whatever browser they like.

There was a time in the not too distant past where the browser wasn't bundled in with the OS (1997 and the introduction of IE4, to be exact), when that was the standard practice before M$ put people like Netscape out of business through corporate shenanigans like bundling.

In fact, Microsoft hosted the Firefox team a couple of years back, helping FF run better on Windows (changes were made on both sides).

In order to avoid another lawsuit. Good for them.

Fact is, that this action has been brought (primarily) by a commercial browser company that doesn't know how to make money. Microsoft is under no obligation to help promote competitors at its own cost.

They will be under an obligation to quit bundling when the courts get finished with them. No doubt about it.
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Completely bogus(er) argument
shadfurman 10th Jun 2009
Its Best Buys option to carry whatever hardware
or software THEY want to also. Incidentally,
they also, are not a monopoly.

YES! You can go to many stores and buy PC's
without windows or macos on them. If fact many
stores sell PC's with NO operating system on
them. Best Buy is a store that caters mass
market products. And since most users CHOOSE
Windows or Mac, that is what they sell. This is
called "free enterprise". And is specifically
NOT a monopoly.

One store selling one OS is hardly an argument
for a monopoly when there are MANY MANY stores
selling many OSs.
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AH THATS IT!!!
shadfurman 10th Jun 2009
We should punish ALL companies that have a
majority market share by redifining "monopoly"
to include any successful company. (intel,
walmart, boeing) and then MAKE them help the
little guy that has poor business practices and
restrictive EULA until they have an EQUAL
share. Cause it's just not fair for one company
to be better than another.

Just because the free market has preferred
Windows as on operating system does not make
them a Monopoly.
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The microsoft tax is a bogus argument...
edwards.wb 11th Jun 2009
Best Buy is a vendor, they choose what to sell based on what's in demand... They also sell Apples (don't forgot the "apple tax" is even higher than the "microsoft tax"). MOST people (yes, that would be the demographic that they're catering to) want an operating system on their computer, they want something with a very small learning curve (sorry, so far open source hasn't gotten there), that's well supported by a single entity (sorry again open source) that they don't need to know how to use a command line, recompile a kernel, find homebrew drivers for... Most retail outlets are only going to carry products wanted by their target demographic, and last I checked their geek squad isn't very geeky, and neither are there products...

Now you and I are the kind of people that don't want to shop at Best Buy, because we don't need to be told what we want, and chances are they don't have exactly what we want... so we have a few options... We go to newegg and build our own or buy a prebuilt machine, get this, WITHOUT an operating system, or we go to the manufacturer's website, and here's another cool one, and get a machine without an operating system. If you aren't tech-savvy enough to shop for a computer without an OS I wish you luck trying to manage a community supported, open source OS. (I'm assuming you aren't looking for a Mac since you said you couldn't find it at best buy)

Now I've put linux on a few computers, used it as the OS on my main machine, but what I wouldn't do is give it to a non technologically inclined friend or family member (unless I really wanted an excuse to spend time with them while I was their live in tech support)... So just remember that WE are not the average consumer, and all the EC is doing is hurting the AVERAGE CONSUMER.
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I recently did, and it wasn't at all simple. You just can't walk into a store and walk out with a computer without Windows. Even over the internet, those few companies who offer Microsoft-free offer only a very limited range of products without Windows.

Go to the Dell main site and try to find a link to their Ubuntu offerings. I don't think you will, at least I didn't.

I haven't seen Windows 7 yet, but I like Ubuntu's Gnome desktop far better than either Vista's or XP's. And Open Office just works, where MS Office 2007 requires a translator (which only works with Internet Explorer) to find where the h*ll they hid it's functions.

"Microsoft delenda est!"
I always buy my own parts and build my own (except for a laptop) and I always put Windows on it because I like Windows, but if I didn't like Windows I would put on whatever I like except MAC OSX because I can't.
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...and neither can Microsoft.

I've bought all my PC's (up until my last one)
without an OS. Not because I didn't want
windows, but because I already had windows (or
many years ago cause I'd just use a pirated
copy)

For the last 13 years that I've been buying
PC's I've never bought one with windows...

... I don't know why your having so much
difficulty.

As far as the "Microsoft tax" many companies
sell Windows machines for LESS, not because of
some evil deal with Microsoft, but because
other companies PAY them to put their software
on them. (emachine was renowned for this).

So you could feasibly buy a windows computer
for CHEAPER than a computer without windows.
Then wipe the HD and put linux on there.

But I honestly think you just have a grip
against Windows and made up a little story
about not being able to find linux machines.

look what happens when I google dell linux
machines. First search result.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.asp
x/ubuntu?
c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anavml&ST=dell%20linu
x&dgc=ST&cid=35222&lid=916678&acd=52183,8,0,613
55347,640251816,1244669772,,12144256,2510837211

So I'll call you out.
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Since you used Dell as an example, why would they create and pay for the infrastructure to sell Ubuntu to the seventeen people on earth who want to buy it? I wonder how long you'd last if you actually had to run a business. Sorry - at a profit.
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Sorry Shadfurman
lehnerus2000 12th Jun 2009
The EC has just ruled that you ARE responsible for his inability to navigate the internet.

Expect a demand for payment.

lehnerus2000
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Monopoly?
Churlish 9th Jun 2009
...How on Earth does Microsoft have a monopoly on operating systems?

Since most users buy a system with an OS pre-installed, there are numerous Apple and Linux alternatives available for purchase off the shelf.

And when they get the machine home, nothing stops even the moderately tech-savvy from downloading and installing one of the umpteen FREE Linux distros available.

Monopoly? Far from it. This is simply another case of government sticking its nose where it has no reason or expertise to meddle.
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Yes, monopolistic advantage.
Gary.P.Cole 9th Jun 2009
Are we forgetting that during the Browser Wars MS made sure that IE ran at O/S-level priority while no other browser could run at higher than Application priority? Are we forgetting MS' behavior in "opening" its APIs with no documentation (or with misleading documentation) and then, once vendors had reverse-engineered the APIs, changing those APIs?

MS exploited its platform dominance brutally. For the most part, MS had gotten away with it.
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How is this different...
Churlish 9th Jun 2009
...from the stranglehold that Apple maintains over its OS and platform line?

As long as there are software alternatives -- both within Windows and without -- the monopoly claim is baseless.

I'd go even further: even if Microsoft engineered Windows to give its own apps preferential treatment, why would this be wrong? It's Microsoft's OS, after all ... it's not some "public good" they're producing.
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Netscape owned the browser market... but then MS made a deal with AOL (and every other company providing dial up access) and IE became exclusive to it. This mass distribution of CDs holding the dial-up setup wrapper for IE that got installed on MILLIONS of PCs immediately catapulted IE to the top in marketshare. Then, IDIOT programmers started writing code that was geared only toward IE's functionality and at the same time.. AOL bought Netscape and BURIED it. THANKFULLY.. they splintered it off into what is now Mozilla as a non-profit organization when their downfall to broadband became apparent.

BTW, for about 5 years until Mozilla released its first browser... IE was the best available. Since it was the best, it dominated. Period. The End.

Now it isn't the best anymore, as Microsoft foolishly ignored it for too long. So Firefox is having it for lunch...Google and Apple are getting into the mix also... it seems a healthly marketplace to me.
No application wants to run higher than application priority. Infact they can't. I don't understand why you want want your browsers to run "at higher than Application priority" especially when the real benefits are at Ring 0 happy
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I Agree with Churlish
Max_in_OH 9th Jun 2009
The government needs to either stay out of a company or apply matching remedies. If MS has to put links to all the other browsers, the other browser makers need to provide a LINK and information on their sites to IE. What good for the goose...

Unless Opera is willing to compare their crap browser with IE and Firefox on their site, they need to shut up and color... Why would SAAB place information in their dealerships for Hondas? Would VW advertise for hightlight availability for Toyota? HARDLY!

Let's be real people. The EC is a leftwing band of thugs that will try anything to extort money from a successfull company.
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RE: Allowing users to 'vote' for browsers could be Microsoft's worst nightmare
dsfwrryd4101-24353678324541271121611409328105 11th Nov
huujbb,good post!

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