Analyst: 'It is game over for Microsoft in consumer'

By | December 11, 2009, 5:05am PST

Summary: What if Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie and other leaders at Microsoft are wrong and integrating the consumer and business worlds doesn’t really matter? One very influential market watcher, Mark Anderson, author of the Strategic News Service newsletter, is betting that instead of a melding, there will be an increasing chasm between the consumer and business market.

Microsoft started out its life as a consumer/developer-focused company. The company subsequently switched strategies and became a largely enterprise-focused vendor. These days, consumer is king for Microsoft — at least as far as corporate strategy and where its ad dollars go.

But what if Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie and other leaders at Microsoft are wrong and integrating the consumer and business worlds doesn’t really matter? One very influential market watcher, Mark Anderson, author of the Strategic News Service newsletter, is betting that instead of a melding, there will be an increasing chasm between the consumer and business market.

Anderson, whose word carries a lot of weight with corporate execs (including those from Microsoft), venture capitalists and other movers and shakers, held his annual predictions dinner in New York City on December 10. His list of 2010 tech predictions, which included a number of things that won’t surprise some tech watchers, Anderson acknowledged, were pretty dire for Microsoft. The ten:

1. 2010 will be The year of Platform Wars: netbooks, cell phones, pads, Cloud standards.  Clouds will tend to support the consumer world (Picnik, Amazon), enterprises will continue to build out their own data centers, and Netbook sector growth rates continue to post very large numbers.

2. 2010 will be The year of Operating System Wars: Windows 7 flavors, Mac OS, Linux flavors, Symbian, Android, Chrome OS, Nokia Maemo 5. The winners, in order in unit sales: W7, Mac OS, Android. W7, ironically, by failure of imagination and by its PC-centric platform, actively clears space for others to take over the OS via mobile platforms.

3. All content goes mobile.  Everything gets tagged, multi-channeled, and the walled gardens open up.  TV and movie content, particularly, break free of old trapped business models.  We are moving toward watching first-run TV and movies on phones, for a price.  Which leads to no. 4.

4. MobileApps and Mobile Content drive MicroPayments, which move from niche to mainstream payment models.  Payment for content will split along age lines, at around 35; above, pay; below, don’t pay.

5. The Phone vs. the PC: A Split Along Two Paths (enterprise vs. consumer).Note: The phone is now the most interesting computer platform, and it is driving innovation: software, business models, distribution. Netbooks are next up as drivers.

6. There will be a Cloud Catastrophe in 2010 that limits Cloud growth by raising security issues and restricting enterprise trust.  CIOs will see the cloud as the doorstep for industrial espionage.

7. A huge chasm opens in computing, between Consumer and Enterprise (government/business.), with Apple, Google and most Asian hardware companies in Consumer, and Dell, IBM, Cisco, and MS on the Enterprise side. HP will straddle both. Before 2010, talk was all about unifying consumer and enterprise. Now, talk will be about their split.

8. Microsoft loses in its Consumer play: except for gaming, it is Game Over for MS in Consumer. This will make Consumer the place to be, where the most robust and exciting change artists will work.

9. News media that survive will move to the subscription model, in whole or in part, along age lines.  (See no. 4)

10. Connecting remote data to people and things in real time will lead to a series of exciting new devices and applications. Possible examples: real time comparison and recipe-driven shopping, facial recognition (in social spaces) linked to bios, self-guided tours by phone, voice-queried information about your personal environment.  Many of these are technically proved out today, but they will start to emerge as an exciting and brand new trend in applications in 2010.

Anderson’s contention that Microsoft has no hope of redeeming itself in the mobile market is one a growing number of company watchers share. (I’m no Anderson, but I’m going to predict Microsoft still has something up its sleeve with Windows Mobile 7, due in 2010, that could pull it from the brink. Or at least keep the company’s market share from eroding toward zero. If Microsoft could at least make good on its hints to cut the time between delivery of mobile operating systems to phone partners and the delivery of those phones to consumers from six-plus months to a few weeks, that would be a good start…)

But it’s Anderson’s prediction No. 7 about the growing chasm between consumer and enterprise that could really spell doom for Microsoft, and especially Ozzie, if it comes true. (And if Microsoft doesn’t revert to focusing more on enterprises, where it’s strong and credible.

Anderson doesn’t believe that Ozzie’s “beautiful world” of three screens and the cloud will ever come to pass. Part of the problem is Microsoft cannot recover from its mobile failure, Anderson claims. But the whole story of the importance of connecting front-end platforms that can integrate tightly to a strong back-end platform isn’t resonating. Instead, customers are more interested in the fully-integrated user interfaces (with apps, marketplaces and the like) with an OK, but not great, back-end integration story. Apple, Android and others are better positioned here and going to win, Anderson told dinner participants last night.

Anderson, who noted that Ozzie is a friend of his, said he wouldn’t be surprised for Ozzie leaving Microsoft some time in the relative near-term. Ozzie hasn’t found it easy fitting in culturally in Microsoft’s dog-eat-dog culture. And if Ozzie’s three-screens vision and “consumer experiences first” push don’t resonate with users, will he want or need to stay?

I’ve never been a big believer in the consumerization of IT theory. And I’ve said a few times I felt Microsoft has been spreading itself too thin and risked alienating its enterprise users with too much attention going to consumer. If Microsoft were two different companies — a consumer-focused one and an enterprise player — it might better serve its users and be less scattered in its focus, I think.

Anderson’s track record on predictions is pretty darn impressive (95 to 97 percent accurate on his 2009 list, he claimed last night). Do you think he’s right about the growing chasm between consumer and enterprise? Is Microsoft’s three-screens strategy nothing but a perfect world in a bubble?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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Microsoft's game launch
docekt Updated - 10th Jan 2010

keen to play new games.
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Open_Source is the erosion from beneath
linux_kernel Updated - 11th Dec 2009
Google stock = $590 +/- some change
Microsoft stock = $29 +/- some change

You can't make money with Open_Source now can
you?

I converted to Open_Source about 8-9 years ago
and when I achieved my RHCE I really knew from
that point on, Windows is no longer an option.

Career wise, Open_Source technologies is what
companies want someone to be imaginative and
utilize THEIR BRAIN and put together an
ecosystem that is not hinged on licenses,
renewals and leaning on their employees
strength to keep the company running, not
some MEGA corp like Microsoft telling them
to re-register, license, activate, pay them
money!
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Stock price?
Salonikios 11th Dec 2009
You are using stock price for what reason?
Any argument you make after that is diminished by the fact that you make a senseless attempt at making some sort of point by using stock price as a frame of reference.
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It's game over for consumers
LBiege Updated - 11th Dec 2009
US consumers will go through a tougher time than those in 1930's. Trust me this depression is that much worse than the last one. If consumers are gone, so are any companies relying on consumers' lavish spending. It's about time to think of a new market instead of trying to get US consumers buy more of your products. They are gone. Not gonna be back in a decade.
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Google stock = $187 billion market cap, P/E 38.15
Microsoft stock = $265 billion market cap, P/E 19.41

What was your point again? That Google makes money with open source? Um, no. Google makes money with advertising. Lots and lots of advertising.
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NOT by using code and rhetoric and anti-competitive tactics to force sell to Joe Bloggs.
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Stock Price?
medezark@... 11th Dec 2009
If I remember correctlym ENRON had a pretty hefty stock price for a while as well. . . .

Stock Price True Value of Company
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Erosion takes time. Lots of it.
Cayble Updated - 11th Dec 2009
Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with open source. Its great that open source software exists and is widely available but its hardly the be all and end all.

Its always the same; someone who has been won over by open source for a number of years always seems to gradually slip into some kind of world where they lose sight of what the vast majority of the real world is doing and using and they drift off into this fantasy land where they have visions of open source stomping MS and the like into the ground. Thats not real and its not going to be real any time soon, if ever.

And ya, as posted above, your stock quote has little relevance to the predicted extinction of MS.
... but rather its diminishing leverage power on the consumer market, sans the video game one.

When people compare Google with Microsoft they tend to do an apples-vs-oranges comparison.

Most focus on the fact that Google is no threat to MS immensity. Others say that open source is a dream and has had no dent on MS-wall.

These are slanted arguments that don't shed light on the real truth. Just as the market cap of I.B.M. was once N-times bigger than Microsoft, but started receding once IBMs products became niche players (nowadays IBM is considered a Services company... go figure!?).

Same might happen (or could already be happening) with MS market share. Windows sales were never greater than mainframe/midrage money values, but growth and penetration were way higher. Same way, Google could charge $10 bucks for Chrome OS and still make more money than MS in netbooks. Why? Because MSFT model *depends* on >$40 OEM prices, and lower cost netbooks reach a sweeter spot.

My two cents.
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In a nutshell ...
fr0thy2 11th Dec 2009
... people are too strapped to keep blindly throwing money at Billionaires, no matter what bullsiht comes out of that Billionaires mouth.
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People are always too strapped...
Cayble 12th Dec 2009
And everyone doesn't stay strapped forever. Nothing has changed.

Yet.
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Google's search engine is proprietary
connor33 11th Dec 2009
Their open source efforts are funded by ad revenue. The vast majority of profits in the software world are from proprietary endeavors.

Open source can be useful but when people describe themselves as "converting" it makes the whole thing sound like a tech religion.

Software is a tool, don't turn it into a religion.
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They will become a consumer company and will have to leave the business technology field.

The one size fits all model is no longer appropriate. Companies are developing systems that work precisely how they work. Companies would rather pay developers the same amount of money to build systems suited to their needs (on FOSS) than to keep throwing money again and again at Microsoft (the source of many of their woes - insecurity, failures, unreliability, an army of mouse wielding monkeys, disruption at some foreign monopolies dictation etc etc).

That said, the Red Ring of Fire, and the fact that Microsoft can no longer be fashionable, to name just two, are hurdles which the company must overcome.

Note to Steve Bullmer, sorry Ballmer. Lies don't help in the long run.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they lose.
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It's an invalid comparison. All the same, MSFT's problems are self-inflicted. Their products have shown a progressing lack of quality and stagnating innovation. Their working atmosphere is toxic and that problem stems from very top.

I mean, what does it say about MSFT that Vista is actually the superior product to Windows 7?

Windows Mobile is the laughing stock of the industry. Anderson is right that segment of the market will elude them.

I agree that Google is the superior company and that will continue as long the management at the two companies remains the same.
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Why do people still use Windows?
apexwm 14th Dec 2009
I honestly don't know why people still use Windows. After the debacle of Windows Vista, and now Microsoft demands its customers shell out more cash to upgrade to Windows 7 to fix the Vista issues, people still follow like lost puppies, and PAY Microsoft yet AGAIN. Why? My only guess is that they do not know about Open Source, GNU/Linux. Personally I migrated to GNU/Linux (Fedora/Red Hat) a year and a half ago, and I've been FREE. Free of constantly paying, free of quirks, bugs, and the whole plethora of problems. Goodbye Microsoft, you lost this customer years ago!
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Because it works
rtk 14th Dec 2009
There was no Vista debacle, it gained 20% of the overall market, 7 times OS X's share and 20 times that of linux.

Vista works fine, as does Jaunty and Leopard. Win7, Karmic and Snow Leopard are just better.
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Made me laugh so hard...:-)
eldernorm 14th Dec 2009
Again with the market share. 70 % share of netbooks where you lose
money with each one,,, is NOT a good thing. happy

People use Windows cause they need to use something on those
cheap pc units and MS had the industry pretty much where it wants
them.

Mac OS only runs on Apple machines so that leaves HP, Dell, etc pretty
much out in the cold.

PS, Apple can sell 1/3 the share but make 3X the profit...... And profit
is what really drives a company.
Just a thought.
en
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Why stick with Windows?
boomchuck1 14th Dec 2009
Probably because they want an OS that runs the programs they want to use, is familiar enough that they don't have to learn a new way of doing things, comes with their computer so that they can run it right out of the box, and one that just plain works. Most people could care less about Linux just because all they want is a computer that does what they want it to and that they don't have to spend a bunch of time learning to use and keep up to date. Windows 7 does all that and does it quite well.
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Windows wouldn't do ANYTHING for you, out of the box or not.

And you DID have to learn about Windows to get the Windows experience, didn't you? You were NOT born Windows capable, were you?

Windows 7 does nothing. It requires a USER to accomplish ANYTHING at all. Just like any other software.
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What?
bmonsterman 14th Dec 2009
Since when did Google=Open Source...because of the g-phone? What else is open source with Google. Don't tell me that Google cloud offerings are going to use an open standard...because they're not. In the end, they will be no different than Microsoft or Apple...they are going to want to hold on to their marketshare and they will use proprietary technology to do it.
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accuracy rate
Mary Jo Foley 11th Dec 2009
Hi. As I noted, it was Anderson claiming his own prediction success rate, not me. Also, as we all know: when predictions are open-ended and somewhat ambigiuous, it's easier to claim you are right... happy

Thanks for the link. MJ
35% is all I would give his predictions last year for 2009.
His flash based computing prediction was surely a joke.
Speech recognition breaktrough is still unseen in the mainstream world and serieus big screen TV applications are almost non-existant.

I can now see how to judge the above prediction more accurate.

Asume all far reaching predictions are a joke and all less fare reaching prediction will only come true for about 50% with only one of the predictions really getting to 90% or more accuracy.
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... wrong...
cosuna 11th Dec 2009
@IE8:

In what planet were you in 2009.

Flash based computing ==> SSD MacBook Air and Netbooks are a reality and more are coming.

Big Screen TV apps ==> XBox Live (new version)

Speech recognition apps ==> Motorola's Droid Google Search. Windows 7 has it also and iPhone 3G S.
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ha, even if he was correct about 09
eggmanbubbagee@... 11th Dec 2009
proves nothing about 10 - plenty of analysts and stock pickers and the like have a hot year or a lucky streak but such ball gazing rarely if ever gets it right consistently - unless you run a Ponzi scheme!
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It was easy to predict 09.
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 12th Dec 2009
most of my predictions came true. It was 08 that he hasn't said boo about. happy
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I predict
bmgoodman 11th Dec 2009
I'm using my amazing "wall computer" to predict that analysts in 2010 will VASTLY overestimate the accuracy of their past predictions. wink
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Not 95 or even 50% accurate
solinear 11th Dec 2009
*He* said he was 96% accurate.

1) Applications on big screens

We already had it, like predicting smartphones will come out in 2009. Anyone can predict that the tides will come in again tomorrow.

2) New, slicker phones.

Which year haven't we had newer, cooler phones in the last 20? Again, the tides are coming tomorrow prediction.

3) China GDP will "plummet" in 2009.

China's GDP didn't plummet, it continued to grow and is being seen as a growing independent market. Wrong 100% on this one.

4) Flash computing takes off.

Um... nope. He predicted a computer with no moving parts, but those already existed and were announced when he predicted it. Oh look, is that the tides coming in again?

5) 'Wall' computing gets traction.

Huh? He considers this one accurate? He's delusional.

6) Netbooks will be hot.

Oh look, the water is coming again, just like he said it would! How many times does he predict the sun coming up and claim victory?

7) LTE dominant 4G.

No idea. This might be like predicting that Intel will dominate the laptop market for all I know.

8) Widespread broadband in 3rd world.

What in the hell do you call 'widespread'? 1 city per country? Yeah, he completely lost this one.

9) Voice Recognition finally works right.

Sure, if you say so. Doesn't seem any better or worse than it was a few years ago, just being honest.

10) Internet Assistant is born.

Again? The Internet Assistant must be Christian, since it's been 'born again'. There are more internet assistants than I can count and most have been out there for 3+ years.

His 'predictions' were mostly "The sun will shine on the Earth *every* single day this year" types of predictions.

Unfortunately for him, everyone and their brother has been predicting the demise of Microsoft for years. I don't think he'll be any more accurate than the rest. Reality is that most people aren't willing to make the move to Linux or Apple. Google isn't going to magically make them dump their Internet Exploder, Microsoft Word/Excel (which they really never use) or the Microsoft OS on their consumer desktops. Sorry, just not going to happen.

Do I think that Microsoft is some amazing tech machine? Nope, they make some really stupid moves. Do I think that they're going to continue dominating? Absolutely.

He might say he's 96% accurate, but I doubt most people think that he's more than 60%, even if they count predicting the sun coming up tomorrow as a prediction.
Let's see:

1) Nope. It's still TVs leading the purchases.

2) Nope. Can you say 'Droid', 'Storm2', and still 'iPhone'?

3) Not even close.

4) It's starting, but not enough to consider it correct. That's a 'no'.

5) Is 'wall computer' really on the radar screen? No.

6) YES! Finally, that's one right.

7) Yet to be determined, but we'll give it to him. Two right.

8) ...and thus ends the 'right' streak. Nope.

9) Hell no.

10) OK, can this really be Mr. Anderson? Or is someone goofing on him and pretending to be him.


Final Score - 20%, give or take 10%.
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Wow!!!
nimrod666 12th Dec 2009
Judging by his past predictions I think I will sell the ranch and buy MS stock. It looks as though his average is close to zero and his remarks came stright from MoveOn.org. Who buys his subscriptions?
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Let's get it right, shall we?
mheartwood 13th Dec 2009
1.) It will be a big year for applications that can play on big screens.

XBox Live. A lot of other games and movies which look better on the very big screen. But did it really catch on? Were you willing to pay more for those big screen items? I didn't think so. So that makes this a fail.

2.) Similarly, the big news in the mobile world ... will be smart phone applications.

Except for DROID itself, the big news was in apps especially for the iPhone, ones that worked well, and ones that didn't. Think about Google Maps on the iPhone and how it competes with GPS navigators. That was big news. What about the app developers going to war with Apple? Big news. Yes, smart phone apps were big news, bigger than the phones themselves.

3.) The blush is off the China rose.

Definitely a fail. Yes, China's polluted. Yes, it has problems. No, they didn't take a real hit. But if the economy falters again, then watch out.

4.) 2009 will be the year when flash-based computing will really take off.

Smart Phones and NetBooks. Except a lot of NetBooks use HDD instead of Flash. So even though I have 2 flash-based NetBooks, I'm going to give it a fail.

5.) This will also be the year that wall computing gets traction.

Not 2009, and not 2010. Maybe 2011. Maybe never.

6.) Carry-along computers will be hot.

Yes, but that was too easy of one.

7.) ... LTE will be the preferred technology for 4G.

So far, nothing is leading 4G, even in Europe.

8.) ..., the less developed world will finally see widespread availability of broadband.

They have wide adoption of cell phones, but broadband is still not there.

9.) After years of failed promises, voice recognition will finally work right.

Have a Pay-As-You-Go phone? Called your ISP or Phone company recently? What about your bank? How many times did you need to repeat your phone number just to get past the login? If you're like me, you aren't repeating everything a half dozen times. You say it once and it works. About time. So he got it.

10.) The Internet Assistant will be born.

There are a lot of useful web/net apps out there, but I still haven't found one which does quite what he describes. So I'm going to say no on this one.

So that makes it 30%.
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Stock Price != Value
GoodThings2Life 11th Dec 2009
First of all, stock price does not equal overall measurable value. Stocks can be inflated and deflated based on relative interest and investments *in hopes* of doing well.

Second, Google doesn't make money on open-source. They make it on search and advertising, and everything else is just them trying to make in-roads into new markets (for now). Doesn't mean you won't be right in the future, but you're not right yet.

Third, you completely ignore the facts that despite stock value, 90% of the business world is still built on Microsoft technologies, and that's not going to change any time soon-- especially if Anderson is right.
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A huge factor
Economister 11th Dec 2009
in share price is # of shares issued
How would Google be able to provide users with search and sell ads without Linux?
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Finance 101?
rynning 11th Dec 2009
The value of a company is the net present value of all future cash flow. The market (the majority being institutional buyers) actually uses math to determine how much a company is worth and campare it to share price. Sure, there are individuals who don't understand this, but their influence on the price of most companies is pretty small.

Of course, the trouble is nobody can predict the future with certainty...
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People only buy Windows because it's dirt cheap and familiar. And even those arguments are going away with Apple's increased marketshare and Linux's increased adoption.

MS won't ever get that back. Let's look at MS's initiatives:

* Zune - DOA
* Mice/Keyboards - very good
* Win 7 - OK, but poor advertising (My idea? Hah)
* Xbox 360 - decent butgarbage hardware

Yeah, they are dead to the consumer.

Now if they could just go away alltogether.
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Wow, are you serious?
GoodThings2Life 11th Dec 2009
Yes, their hardware is great in the keyboard/mouse world. You got that one right.

Yes, the Xbox 360 hardware has been notoriously problematic, BUT in spite of that it's a pretty excellent service and a phenomenally successful platform.

Zune had a rocky start, but apparently you haven't been paying attention to the Zune HD much, because it's actually doing quite well, and I've even heard a lot of radio stations in my area marketing it because of its ability to connect to their HD Radio services.

Windows 7 is already making fantastic achievements and it's hard to find any negative news that can be taken seriously (especially from antivirus vendors crying about it).

Linux's "increased adoption"? Are you serious? It's still lower than Mac OS X which is at 9.8% in the US and only 3.8% worldwide. Apple gaining a 20% increase on 3.8% is still a miserably small success, so how am I supposed to take you credibly when you make a claim about Linux's increased adoption? That's the most hilarious news I've ever heard! You'd have a case if you claimed Mac OS X was gaining ground.

People buy Windows because of familiarity and compatibility with what they're doing elsewhere. As long as Windows is successful in the enterprise, there will always be a need for Windows in the consumer world... why do you think there are so many ways to run Windows on a Mac?
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Linux
Economister 11th Dec 2009
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That's pretty pathetic.
CobraA1 11th Dec 2009
That's a pretty pathetic and depressing graph.

Because at that rate - it's gonna take Linux dozens of years to be competitive.

. . . and oh, yeah - you forgot to mention it went back down after hitting 1%. If you graph a larger time period, it looks more like the stock market hovering at a bit below 1% than like a nice clean graph.
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Keep focusing on 1%....
storm14k 11th Dec 2009
...so that you don't notice whats really going on. I'd think it quite impossible for Linux to only have 1% usage in the overall desktop world and still garner news coverage. You can barely see an article about an OS these days on the internet without Linux being brought into the picture. Nor do I believe internet establishments would start making accommodations for what would have to translate to less than 1% of their traffic especially when they aren't tech related sites. But they are. Anyone with sense would see Linux usage has been on a steady incline from looking at the overall atmosphere of the tech internet.
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"I'd think it quite impossible for Linux to only have 1% usage in the overall desktop world and still garner news coverage."

Oh - it has tech news coverage. That's for sure. But I don't really see it getting into CBS, NBC, or Fox news coverage.

ZDNet, PC World, and other tech publications tend to be publish a lot more Linux coverage than most other news outlets.

"Nor do I believe internet establishments would start making accommodations for what would have to translate to less than 1% of their traffic especially when they aren't tech related sites."

They're not. It just so happens that Firefox is popular on Windows. The fact that it helps Linux is a side effect of supporting Firefox.

"Anyone with sense would see Linux usage has been on a steady incline from looking at the overall atmosphere of the tech internet."

The tech internet is filled with fan boys/girls from their respective niches and is really nowhere near representative of the general population.
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He's doesn't have anything else to cling to.
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Now look back say 3 years?
storm14k 11th Dec 2009
Did you see it in any tech media coverage? No. And thats the point. It has been constantly trending upwards. Back then I had not even given much thought to Linux on the desktop. When I first made the switch I wasn't reading much about it. Now everytime a new release comes out there is coverage. Its obviously not going to be in widespread in mainstream media yet but again anyone with common sense would see what happening.

And what does Firefox have to do with sites having specific downloads or links for Linux? I'm not talking about the site being Firefox compatible vs IE. I'm talking about things like going to a website of a political radio talkshow and finding a "listen live" link specifically for Linux. Obviously they have seen some Linux traffic.
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re: Now look back say 3 years?
rtk 11th Dec 2009
Did you see it in any tech media coverage? No

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=886

Not seeing an upward trend. Maybe you just ignored them back then?
for the good of everybody.

The media are perhaps a tiny bit more advanced.

FOSS is years ahead of the controlling clowns.
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Been seeing it longer, actually.
CobraA1 11th Dec 2009
Actually, I think I've been hanging around here 10+ years or so - and I've been seeing Linux mentioned the whole time. Since long before Ubuntu, when most of it was command line.

Linux was a big splash - had practically front page coverage when Linux introduced it, and I remember following Linux and Open Source for a long time.

I even had it dual booting and nearly converted over.

But - in the end, I realized people were just sticking with Windows. Everything that *nix users were touting as a "big deal" wasn't really such a big deal to the average joe.

We have a tendency to blow up out of complete proportion things like security and fast boot times. They're important to us, but the average joe isn't interested in them, even if he should be.

The average user will just haul the PC to the sop to get it fixed if something happens. Not really such a big deal, as most users really aren't so tied to their computers like we techies are. As long as the web based email works, they could care less if something breaks.

They don't care much about OS trends - they just know it had better work. If it doesn't, they junk it.

Doesn't matter if a compatibility issue can be fixed with a few tweaks - nobody really wants to tweak. They want it to just work.

"I'm talking about things like going to a website of a political radio talkshow and finding a 'listen live' link specifically for Linux."

Haven't really paid that much attention, and it's hard to tell how popular it is just from a few stories and a few icons.

"Obviously they have seen some Linux traffic. "

Perhaps, but just how much traffic is it?

In addition, how much of it is from a statistical analysis, and how much of it is from the bias of the web author? Web designers are, after all, techies =).

Trying to read popularity without the real statistics is IMHO foolish, especially when there ARE places out there that try to measure it.

What am I to believe - a few anecdotal stories from somebody who may be reading too much into icons for downloads, or an actual statistical analysis by a company that specializes in figuring that kind of stuff out?

That's easy - I'll take the statistical analysis by the company every time. Even if their methodology may have flaws, it's far less flawed than the "look at a few icons on webpages and take a wild guess" methodology.
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Making something people want to use will. One
percent market share doesn't equal making
something people want to use.
I don't know who said news coverage was going to kill Windows but you may want to address your post to them. I in a nutshell said that 1% usage statistic is flawed and low. But hang on to it if you want.

And if all it takes to kill MS is to make something that people want to use then MS is already dead. I and quite a few other people want to use Linux.
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Don't lay it on too thick, Stormy
Ole Man 11th Dec 2009
We don't want them to know what hit them when Linux hits about, saaaay, 20% (which won't be too long without any drastic changes).

They'll be picking themselves up off the ground wondering "what was that"?
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As more and more organizations realize that they've been scammed over the years by Microsoft, more will learn what GNU/Linux is, and migrate away from Microsoft. This will kill Microsoft, not having customers.
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Man Bites Dog
A.Sinic Updated - 13th Dec 2009
The only reason that Linux gets any press is because "Customer chooses Microsoft" isn't news.

"City goes with Linux" is news. "Thousands of cities choose Microsoft" isn't.
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Microsoft's game launch
docekt Updated - 10th Jan 2010

keen to play new games.

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