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Are the Microsoft layoffs over now?

By | November 4, 2009, 7:57am PST

Summary: When Microsoft announced in January that the company was cutting 5,000 jobs, it wasn’t clear how many waves it would take to realize that count. It looks like the cuts aren’t done yet, based on an initial report of November 4 layoffs by TechFlash and a follow-up, claiming 800 jobs are being eliminated in this round, by PaidContent.

When Microsoft announced in January that the company was cutting 5,000 jobs, it wasn’t clear how many waves it would take to realize that count. It looks like the cuts aren’t done yet, based on an initial report of November 4 layoffs by TechFlash and a follow-up by PaidContent.

(PaidContent is reporting Microsoft is going to cut 800, citing a company spokeswoman. It sounds like those being cut will be notified starting today. I’ve asked Microsoft to confirm this report and have yet to hear back. and have gotten a call back confirming the 800 figure.)

Microsoft officials haven’t been willing to provide a tally when asked for a count as to how many jobs had been cut by certain dates. The first round of layoffs was 1,400. At that time, Microsoft officials said to expect the “net headcount … to decline by 2,000 to 3,000 over the next 18 months.” (Some of those let go would be hired in other divisions, plus Microsoft planned to continue to hire in certain divisions, like Online Services, officials explained.)

In May, Microsoft made its second major wave of cuts but officials wouldn’t say how many individuals were let go. At that time, CEO Steve Ballmer said that Microsoft reserved the right to cut more than the originally announced 5,000, if need be.

(Since then, Microsoft has shed a couple of thousand employees by selling Razorfish, but is set to acquire up to 1,000 Yahoos if and when its Yahoo partnership is consumated.)

Microsoft has been making cuts across the board — in sales, marketing and the product groups. Products and teams from Flight Simulator, to Office Accounting, all have been hit.

So is Microsoft done? Wall Street analysts have been bullish about the company’s cost-cutting measures — maybe bullish enough to spur more.

In Microsoft’s 10-Q statement, filed at the end of October, company officials implied layoffs were over. From that statement:

“In January 2009, we announced and implemented a resource management program to reduce discretionary operating expenses, employee headcount, and capital expenditures. As part of this program, we announced the elimination of up to 5,000 positions in research and development, marketing, sales, finance, legal, human resources, and information technology by June 30, 2010. We have now completed this program and reduced our overall number of positions by approximately 5,000 and headcount by approximately 4,600.”

It’s unclear if the beancounters had taken into account the new wave of 800 as part of those figures or if this week’s cuts are going beyond the 4,600 who’ve been let go already.

Update: Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos said that prior to today’s announcement, Microsoft already had cut 5,000 positions but only 4,600 people, since about 400 of those cut found new positions at the company. He said it’s not clear how many of the 800 cut today will be rehired. He said that Microsoft has now cut 5,800 positions total since January and indicated that — while no one is willing to say definitively that no more cuts are coming  — Microsoft has exceeded its headcount reduction commitments.

Also no word yet on which teams/groups are part of this week’s cuts. If I hear more, I’ll update this post.

Update No. 2: Don Dodge of Microsoft’s Emerging Business team is one of today’s casualties.

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RE: Are the Microsoft layoffs over now?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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I hope so
Cylon Centurion 4th Nov 2009
I hate seeing "SoandSo killing X amount of jobs" in the news =/
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His reklessness to ignore the FOSS and cling to the proprietary model drove M$ into the ground.
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Q1 revenues of $13Bn generating $3.5Bn in net profit ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2009
... would tend to refute your statment.

How would MS giving away the source to its products INCREASE sales, revenues and profits?
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RHT n/t
n0neXn0ne 4th Nov 2009
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RedHat are nowhere
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2009
RedHat's stock is currently trading at around $26 per share - off somewhat from their high point of $105 in late 1999. Their market cap is currently $5Bn.

To put it into perspective, Microsoft has a market cap of $250Bn and generates more than RedHat's entire market cap in net profit 4-5 months.

So, your paragon of the "give away your products but charge for service and support" business model aren't quite the shining light you might want to believe that they are.
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The Financial Numbers Game
Ole Man 4th Nov 2009
http://articles.directorym.com/Creative_Accounting_Practices_New_York_NY-r1146449-New_York_NY.html

Creative Accounting Practices New York NY
I?d like to talk to you about another widespread, but too littlechallenged custom: earnings management. This process has evolved over the years into what can best be characterized as a game among market participants. A game that, if not addressed soon, will have adverse consequences.

http://www.exceltip.com/book-0471370088.html

"creative" accounting to camouflage deteriorating. business
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-7349363_ITM

Legal "Shenanigans' Help Companies Prop Up Their Results Creative Accounting Tracked Accountant, researcher has studied such stalwarts as Microsoft, AOL, Cisco.(INTERNET & TECHNOLOGY)(Q & A)

Schilit says some well-known tech firms use "creative" accounting to camouflage deteriorating.. business

http://www.zdnet.com.au/tag/creative_accounting-legislation-microsoft-storage.htm

Oracle: Buying into trouble
Oracle executives, customers and sales representatives have described systemic problems that begin with the need to satisfy Wall Street's dual demands of stability and growth--a schizophrenic goal that has driven some companies to practice a kind of creative accounting that has drawn scrutiny from federal regulators.


http://www.infoworld.com/t/business/creative-accounting-in-it-and-how-get-offshoring-right-872
Creative accounting in IT, and how to get offshoring right

Rubbing elbows with the big dogs: The news beat: First Bono, and now China's President Hu will drop in on Bill Gates. A Wi-Fi-related deal between Intel and Cisco could boost the quality of VoIP in wireless LANs. And IBM announced Tivoli software that continuously backs up files.

http://books.google.com/books?id=EWEOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=Microsoft%27s+creative+accounting+%3F&source=bl&ots=wSUg_3wJHj&sig=jaANjsVvDIiUrxnTUFLO591Em3o&hl=en&ei=gwvxSe2MDIbOMePUqbUP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

http://www.allbusiness.com/accounting-reporting/auditing/1025284-1.html

EU Law Fights "Creative Accounting"

AIMING TO THWART THE type of accounting scandal that led to the collapse of Italy-based food products giant Parmalat, the European Parliament has approved legislation requiring publicly listed companies to disclose all off-balance-sheet arrangements and their impact in notes to their annual and consolidated accounts.

Microsoft is not the only ones guilty, but they ARE the international champions of creative accounting.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Knowledge is a powerful (awesome) commodity.

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also quite imaginative. wink
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All of your points are orthogonal to this conversation
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2009
You can wave your arms around pointing at any number of comments and issues relating to insider dealing, improper accounting, etc., but unless they're current and documented cases specific to the subject at hand they're nothing but arm-waving trying to get the reader to associate your claims with, in this case, Microsoft. Well done. You must be proud.

Microsoft's accounting is very transparent. Much moreso than most large corporations. Microsoft was also clear in their Q1 reporting that they were not including pre-sales & initial sales of Win7 & Server 2008 - those figures will be included in Q2 reporting.

Expect very strong (and accurately reported)results from Microsoft in Q2.
You wrote a long email with a bunch of links but I don't see any actual evidence...or even the suggestion of proof...that Microsoft has ever done anything unethical or illegal in terms of their accounting practices. My understanding is that Microsoft has always taken a pretty conservative approach to accounting. They have no incentive to get 'creative' because they make money hand over fist.

Undocumented accusations piss me off.
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"I" do not have actual examples of anything
Ole Man Updated - 5th Nov 2009
However, Google has actual links to examples of practically everything under the sun.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fCVkz_mwEr0C&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=Microsoft+creative+accounting+%3F&source=bl&ots=umj9kxZzHy&sig=zxM1PohT7OzGxctb7Ld5jQRq1LI&hl=en&ei=hzvzSqGsIoz-M42s_egF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CB4Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Microsoft%20creative%20accounting%20%3F&f=false

One can use Google to research anything one is interested in. On the other hand, one can keep his/her head buried in the sand and never learn anything.

The choice, obviously, is yours.
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Typical nonsense
Wintel BSOD 6th Nov 2009
As if Ballmer had everything to do with that.

If you really believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you. Wholesale.
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Linux Geek
Raid6 Updated - 4th Nov 2009
A handful of questions, and these are very easy ones.

1) Do you push when the sign says pull?

2) Do you tie your own shoes?

3) Do you have even and odd numbered socks?
3a) if Yes, who numbered them for you?

4) What color is the sky?

5) Have you ever managed to get the square peg into the round hole?

6) (more of a request), list your top five successes.

7) How many times did you put the butter knife in the outlet before you figured out that was not a good idea?


This should be interesting, that is unless you don't answer the questions.

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Zombo.com

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There will be more
LBiege 4th Nov 2009
This depreflation has just started. I don't see how they can maintain 90,000 employees in this economy.
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Think worldwide
Confused by religion 4th Nov 2009
Those jobs are not just in the US but Canada, India, Ireland, China, etc. That is not a lot of employees for a global corporation. Just look at Intel.
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Agreed. Every large company had layoffs
GuidingLight 4th Nov 2009
but not as bad as it sounds when you realize that they are spread out over many countries.
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See my post above - you DO know how strong Microsoft's business is, right?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 4th Nov 2009
In Q1 FY2009, Microsoft generated some $3.5Bn net profit from $13Bn in revenues.

THAT is how they can afford to employ close to 100,000 staff world-wide.
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And of course...
zkiwi 4th Nov 2009
Being in such a strong position is a good reason to lay off around 5k out of 90k staff.

Makes you wonder, why if they're doing so well and are so buffered they're shedding staff. Mind you, it's probably just lame "next quarter" thinking rather than thinking long term. If I could see a longer term position on staffing etc I think I'd feel happier. And I'd say much the same thing about any of these large corporates who think nothing of shedding a few thousand people here, just to satisfy Wall Street.
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Let's see if they got the right people
Userama Updated - 4th Nov 2009
Unless Microsoft layoffs got the following people, they shouldn't be
done:

1) the entire marketing/advertising department

2) whoever thought up the Windows 7 launch parties

3) whoever thought up opening the copycat retail stores

4) whoever keeps pushing the BAT (Surface)

5) whoever decided to keep the registry in Windows

6) Ballmer
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Whatever.
GuidingLight 4th Nov 2009
Not a good business person, are you? happy
or maybe sooner, we can always hope.............
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Not Mike Cox...
zkiwi 4th Nov 2009
He(?) is worth his weight in cheeseburgers, with extra fries.
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LOOK EVERYONE!!@(#@!! HE MENTIONS ME!!@#*#!!
Loverock Davidson 4th Nov 2009
Not a day goes by where I don't get mentioned. This is awesome.
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The Billionaires that made their money from Microsoft should help these people out if they all gave up a few of their billions they could save all of those jobs.

Oh what am I say that would only happen in a perfect world.
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Only in a perfect world...
mlbslugger 4th Nov 2009
and not one founded on capitalism of the most extreme nature. I'm done...
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Clever Company!
FiOS-Dave 5th Nov 2009
Isn't efficiency one of the topmost priorities in today's economy?
Microsoft is fine tuning its business.
I'm sure that if an employee is contributing more than their salary's worth, they will remain with the company, in one position or another.
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Microsoft is merely shedding products and product lines which are neither profitable nor strategic. For example, they ditched Money and Office Accounting. Why? Consumer checking is more of a loss-leader given that many folks are satisfied with bank-provided tools; Office's Accounting product - while good - doesn't generate as much cash as the rest of the Dynamics line (and its also a loss-leader).

Microsoft is big enough to run several assaults on a merket segment in parallel. They then prune the branches to focus resources on the more profitable endeavors. The only thing the recession has done is decrease the time they're willing to wait for a branch to bear fruit before lopping it off.
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I agree with the earlier comment about the people that should have gotten laid off - this list should include Kevin Turner, the moron that came from WalMart. With the new retail stores, Microsoft is becoming more of a "Sales company" and less of a technology vendor. Bungie parting ways with Game Studios (and coming up with ODST after that!), Live Mesh (which is one of the coolest things they've done in a long time) going nowhere with releases, Microsoft Research spinning their wheels while the rest of the organization focuses on pushing boxes out the door...these are all negative signs. A decent Office suite on the web and a Mac-like interface on a Linux box should just about do it...
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then it could sack all the MS shills who regularly infest every talkback and
comment blog with their ranting and raving.

That would save MS a lot of money and save us a lot of dyspepsia from
having to wade through their dross to get to the few remaining real
comments.

It would would also help to remove some of the tarnish from Microsoft's
image that these tiresome people create.
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RE: Are the Microsoft layoffs over now?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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