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As more Windows Phone 'Tango' info leaks, questions resurface

By | February 15, 2012, 11:09am PST

Summary: New leaks about the next version of the Windows Phone operating system make me wonder if the Tango1/Tango2 rumors from last year are going to prove true, after all.

I haven’t blogged much recently about Windows Phone “Tango,” the Windows Phone operating system release slated to follow “Mango” but precede “Apollo.” The main reason is that since last summer, I haven’t heard a whole lot about Tango.

But in the past week or so, new Tango information has begun leaking from a variety of sources.

Paul Thurrott posted an article on February 10 to the Windows SuperSite detailing more alleged Tango information from unnamed sources. Thurrott said Tango will likely be called Windows Phone 7.5.1 (indicating it is a minor update to the Mango handsets which are known as Windows Phone 7.5 — running an operating system known as 7.1). He said Tango will be optimized for lower RAM requirements, and will support low-end Windows Phone handsets with just 256 MB of RAM, half of the 512 MB that is more common today. In addition, certain “resource-intensive background tasks” on Tango handsets will be disabled, Thurrott said.

More from his post:

“Developers will be able to target Tango or Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango) going forward, or both, and users of the new low-end systems will basically be able to access a subset of the existing Windows Phone Marketplace apps selection. (That said, I’m also told that Tango users will be able to browse, but not download, incompatible apps….)”

On February 15, alleged Tango screen shots and information appeared on WMPoweruser.com (via WP7Forum.ru). The screen shots and details corroborated reports that Tango is an OS update targeted primarily at bringing Windows Phones to a new class of users in primarily developing countries.

But there’s a new twist in WMPoweruser’s info. Tango also may include some new features, like the ability to manage contacts directly on the SIM card and to export contacts to the SIM. This is to allow users to more easily transition from a feature phone to a smartphone. There will be more granular roaming settings, WMPoweruser said, and “users will be able to make multiple attachments to one MMS message, including pictures, sound and video.”

The MMS multiple-attachment feature is one that would likely appeal to all Windows Phone users, not just those with low-end handsets. So if Microsoft is planning, as Thurrott has heard, to make Tango an update on low-end handsets only, and not universally across all WP handsets, existing Windows Phone users wouldn’t get these new features.

Unless — and this is just an attempt to piece together previous clues on my part — Microsoft really is planning two different Tango updates, as originally rumored. Remember Tango1 was supposed to be “TangoMango” (according to a confusion translation of a tip from months back)? What if that means the new features coming to Tango go to all Mango handset users?  And Tango2 ends up being the update that is expressly for new low-end Windows Phones?

In any case, hopefully Microsoft officials will finally share more about the long-rumored Tango at the upcoming Mobile World Congress (MWC) at the end of this month. And maybe even some tidbits on “Apollo,” too, though I wouldn’t be surprised if the Softies attempt to put the Apollo genie back in the bottle, at this point, so as not to dampen the market for the new generation of Mango phones due to hit in the next few months….

One more tidbit re: Tango from Thurrott’s write-up that may be of interest to Windows Phone developers. Thurrott said in his write-up that a new version of the Windows Phone software development kit may be out by April 2012.

This new SDK “will let developers test apps on both 256 MB Tango devices and mainstream 512MB handsets in emulation. Developers can choose to opt out of Tango going forward if they’d like, though that might not be desirable if these devices sell as well as expected,” he said.

OK… one more thing: Rumors have it that among the Nokia announcements at MWC will be a new low-end Lumia 610 Windows Phone handset running Tango.

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nokia sales were saved by windows phone 7
oneillwfx 24th Feb
if it wasn't for windows phone the nokia sales would have been close to zero. and it has only been a few months in the UK, they arent out in the US yet.
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5% of the market rejoices...LOL
SamWilkinson 15th Feb
Although only 3% are on WP7.

Sad...just sad...
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Where'd you get that number?
HollywoodDog 15th Feb
@SamWilkinson ... MJF recently reported that Windows Phone has 1.5 percent of the market.
@SamWilkinson

Wp7 going backwards fail like KIN
@SamWilkinson

Better give up on Linux desktop then and OS/X isn't that far above 3% so they're doomed too. WP7 is simply better on every level as the phone becomes a tool rather than a toy, status symbol, data collection for an ad company or consumer device. That said, I don't really care how many they sell as long as they keep supporting and upgrading it - I still have the best phone wink
I think what happened here is called being hoisted with one's own petard.
Game set and match to Tony.
@tonymcs@...
"WP7 is simply better on every level..."

You just keep telling yourself that, Tony.
Your assertion/opinion is NOT the same as fact.

A good thing you still have one hand free to play with your phone.
@SamWilkinson Flagged me again Loveschlock?
@SamWilkinson
Nope, that was me happy
@SamWilkinson
I enjoy my WP. Sure beats the snot out of the competition.
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This will fail.
Even now, developers are strugling to get every hertz of performance and every byte of memory out of current devices.
Windows Phone needs either: drastic optimalization of Silverlight runtime, or better hardware support, so hardware manufacturers can use more powerfull hardware.

Noone is going to write apps for even weaker hardware. Especialy not in highly-abstracted enviorment like .NET and Silverlight.
@Falhar source? windows phone 7.0 had a min memory of 256MB. so tango is no different. as an app dev, MSFT told everybody to keep their apps at 90MB for the base case. no devices shipped with that little memory, but it was never an issue. most apps struggle to go that high. maybe some heavy games might.
@Falhar

Except even a casual inspection of someone using an iPhone or some fancy dual core Android is that they aren't as smooth as WP7 even with lower hardware, and their UI seems designed to make you take as long as possible doing any function.

When you also realise the MS development tools are a couple of generations beyond Android or Apple's weird proprietary language, it's really no contest.

But hey, continue that slow, endless swiping through grids of dead icons looking for the siloed app you need to use since you lack the built-in functions of WP7 and enjoy - remember you have state of the art hardware wink
@Falhar Information? I'm a developer for WP7 and have not had any struggles getting every hertz...byte...memory out of the device. So why would you say this? Do you develop in WP7? If not, go play with your antiquated iPhone. I had an iPhone for less than a month, because I could not stand how it works. It made me frustrated that was not giving me live information. The WP7 phone is a great step to making smart phones, smart and user friendly. My wife has an android and I don't even like picking it up because it is another bad interface.
Let's call one of the releases Wango Tango and see if Ted Nugent wants to promote it. wink
@johnsharp123@... Perfect... a washed up rocker from the fringes of society is the perfect analog to promote mobile Windows. I love "Stranglehold" as much as the next guitarist-geek. Microsoft was great once too, I suppose.. though given a choice, I'll take something more modern on my phone, musically or OS wise. I'll still happy to give the chicken a good death.
@dave@... Question. Is there good modern music?
@dave@...

Tell that to Volkswagon then too because they use Stranglehold in their ads. Of course I make all my purchasing decisions based on the theme songs and music references of companies.
Would Windows Phone Tango be called Windows Phone Basic? Would there be editions of Windows Phone such as Windows Phone Premium, Windows Phone Professional, Windows Phone Enterprise and Windows Phone Ultimate? :-D
@e_mendz
LOL! But seriously, not such a bad idea... after all, over a billion people know what those editions mean!
@e_mendz
LOL! But seriously, not such a bad idea... after all, over a billion people know what those editions mean!
???Developers will be able to target Tango or Windows Phone 7.5 (Mango) going forward, or both, and users of the new low-end systems will basically be able to access a subset of the existing Windows Phone Marketplace apps selection. (That said, I???m also told that Tango users will be able to browse, but not download, incompatible apps???.)???

So the start of fragmentation on a very very small and shrinking platform...
All I know is that I have to do a total reset because of an email address change on my $.99 Samsung Focus Flash. My old Razor using "Motorola Phone Tools" via USB gave me total control of the phone. Now I have to use Zune for tranfering data and still cannot delete the first "Windows Live" account that has my old email address. Sucks
Will old phones able to work with Tango? I hope so with my Samsung Focus 1.3.
If MS cannot deliver it will an overkill specially because many Google phones can upgrade to ICS.
Let's see...iPhones are in their fourth generation plus, iPads are soon to be in their third generation. Windows Phone release cycles is still operating as if their on equal footing (in terms of market share, marketing, device style, ecosystem). Now we have the next release of Windows Phone possible being tied to the release of Windows 8. So that means no new innovations or devices until at least early Q4. How crazy is that! Just call Tango what it is; the Nokia release. Who else benefits? HTC and Samsung aren't racing to the bottom to compete with Nokia on its home field.

As Tim Cooks recently said "there's a horse in Remond that's always running". True, but did you notice that 500lb jockey on its back. I like Windows Phone but I hate that fact that it's appears to be at the mercy of Windows and the drive into the Cloud.
@windowseat
I see that as very beneficial to the ecosystem moving forward.
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WP7 a failure...?
C#2010 15th Feb
For all those individuals who are saying WP7 is going backwards... just a little reminder for you. Nokia sells 1 million feature phones a day... and MS is positioning their platform where it can take over that market. Thats why you see the lower memory requirements and multiple screen resolutions (640x480 particularly for feature phones) Yes 1 million a day!
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@C#2010
"Nokia sells 1 million feature phones a day"...........and most of them are Symbian/System60.

Nokia has globally only shifted (to retail channel) little more then 1m Lumia phones, which is a disaster.

Has been out in the UK for a full quarter, and I don;t know anyone with a Lumia phone. Indeed the only person I ever knew with any Windows Phone 7 handset ditched it for a Samsung Galaxy S2. I don't suppose Kenzie on NCIS-LA counts as knowing someone with a Windows Phone happy
@neil.postlethwaite@...
"and most of them are Symbian/System60"...Yea thats the point. MS/Nokia is positioning their tango OS to replace those devices.
@neil.postlethwaite@...
I know a few colleagues that are waiting to purchase a Lumia phone when it is available. I plan to upgrade my phone with a Lumia when my contract is up.
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if it wasn't for windows phone the nokia sales would have been close to zero. and it has only been a few months in the UK, they arent out in the US yet.
I have a Trophy, but it is hard to be impressed with Microsoft when it can't even seem to get an app out for skype.
Hmmm, and the OS will *STILL* not have any VPN.....go figure!
@tech_ed@...
That's what native sharepoint access is for.
The only issues people care about are > 16Gb memory and a MicroSD slot.

Everything else is irrelevant, except perhapt a roadmap on how WP7 and WOA (Windows 8 on ARM 8 tablet) will co-exist, as Microsoft has effectively sidelined WP7 to being a phone OS only, unlike Apple IOS and Android which does phone and TAB.

Windows tabs should be based on Windows Phone 7 XL, not Windows 8 Jr.
@neil.postlethwaite@... Windows 8 is kinda like Windows Phone Super Jumbo, The start menu has been replaced with a Metro interface comparable to Windows Phone 7's. There is still a desktop, so you can stay organized, and have commonly used files in one place.
can you say win 8 on phone sure you can
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Windows Phone = awsomeness
oneillwfx 24th Feb
Windows Phone 7 is the best mobile OS supported in our University IT department. The only drawbacks are some security features being missing, but that is going to be resolved soon.

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