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Barnes & Noble says Microsoft is attacking Android with its patent-infringement claims

By | April 27, 2011, 8:29am PDT

Summary: Barnes & Noble has filed its response to Microsoft’s claim from earlier this year that the Android-based Nook e-reader violates Microsoft patents — complete with allegations around Microsoft’s tactics around patent-enforcement tactics and royalty-charging plans.

Barnes & Noble has filed its response to Microsoft’s claim from earlier this year that the Android-based Nook e-reader violates Microsoft patents — complete with allegations around Microsoft’s tactics around patent-enforcement tactics and royalty-charging plans.

Microsoft sued Barnes & Noble, Foxconn and Inventec (the companies manufacturing the Nook) in March, claiming the Nook infringed on a handful of Microsoft’s patents. A few days ago, the U.S. International Trade Commission began investigating Microsoft’s complaint. (Patent-watcher Florian Mueller is expecting that the federal lawsuit is stayed for the duration of the corresponding ITC investigation.)

The Barnes & Noble response to Microsoft’s complaint, dated April 25, makes some interesting counter-arguments regarding Microsoft’s plans to combat Android, going so far as to bring antitrust allegations involving Nokia, Microsoft’s newest mobile phone partner, into it.

“On information and belief, as part of Microsoft’s recently announced agreement  with Nokia to replace Nokia’s Symbian operating system with Microsoft’s own mobile device operating system, Microsoft and Nokia discussed and apparently agreed upon a strategy for coordinated offensive use of their patents,” says the B&N filing. “This type of horizontal agreement between holders of significant patent portfolios is per se illegal under the antitrust laws, threatens competition for mobile device operating systems and is further evidence of Microsoft’s efforts to dominate and control Android and other open source operating systems.”

“Microsoft did not invent, research, develop, or make available to the public mobile devices employing the Android Operating System and other open source operating systems, but nevertheless seeks to dominate something it did not invent,” B&N’s complaint says.

As I’ve blogged before, to me, there’s little doubt that Microsoft is using its patents as a way to try to fight Android’s growing dominance in the mobile space. Microsoft sued Motorola last fall over alleged infringement of Motorola’s Android smartphones on Microsoft’s patents. And HTC paid an undisclosed amount to Microsoft in 2010 to head off potential Android-based patent problems.

I found some of the details about how Microsoft approached B&N interesting.  According to the complaint, upon telling B&N officials that the Nook infringed six patents that Microsoft claimed to own, Microsoft officials said they’d share details only if B&N officials signed a non-disclosure agreement. B&N refused to sign an NDA, claiming the patents were public and the infringement allegations were on a public product. As a result, according to B&N, Microsoft officials would only discuss the alleged infringements “on a high-level basis.”

“Microsoft nevertheless maintained that it possessed patents sufficient to dominate and entirely preclude the use of the Android Operating System by the Nook,” according to the complaint. “Microsoft demanded an exorbitant royalty (on a per device basis) for a license to its patent portfolio for the Nook device and at the end of the meeting Microsoft stated that it would demand an even higher per device royalty for any device that acted ‘more like a computer’ as opposed to an eReader.”

B&N’s complaint says that Microsoft was seeking a more than double per device royalty for the color version of the Nook — an amount B&N officials believed be “higher than what Microsoft charges for a license to its entire operating system designed for mobile devices, Windows Phone 7.”

B&N is denying it has infringed the patents highlighted by Microsoft, and is calling into question whether some of the patents in question should be considered operating-system-related at all.

The full B&N response is worth a read for those interested in the never-ending Microsoft vs. Linux wars.

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RE: Barnes & Noble says Microsoft is attacking Android with its patent-infringement claims
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to them to not let b&n or anyone else rip them off by stealing their ip. b&n should be ashamed of themselves and they should fire everyone involved in the decision to use android when they knew ahead of time that it contained ip stolen from multiple other companies including ms. I hope the other companies sue them too and they have to pull the product until they legally license what they right now have no right to sell.
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Return_of_the_jedi Updated - 27th Apr 2011
@Johnny Vegas
Being that Microsoft is the worst offender of this, I often wonder why fanboys give them a pass? If Microsoft were to fulfill your dreams and become the only supplier of Software, and OSes, they could charge a monthly fee just to access your work. Is that really the world you wish to live in?
@Rick_K
What are you talking about? It's Google fault it didn't provide patent protection and everybody else, but Google, is in trouble.

Being free and open source is not excuse for violating patents.
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@day2die
Just because I do not pray to Redmond 5 times a day, does not make what I posted any less true. Microsoft is suing OEMs for using Android. Microsoft does not want to directly sue Google. They want to charge a tax on all devices that use an OS, regardless of who writes the underlying OS.
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@Rick_K It is apparently s a peculiarity of patent law that it is the use of the infringing method or apparatus that constitutes the infringement, so it is the manufacturers (and users) of Android-based devices that are the infringers. Note that the suite Google just lost in a jury trial was for Google's use of Linux systems in its operations, not for any of its distribution or contribution of Linux software. The other defendants in that particular suit are all large content organizations (amazon.com, Yahoo!, Facebook) that use Linux in their operations.

Generally in regard to technology patents, the producer holds its customers harmless in any case of infringement and defends the action. It is part of the arrangement. That isn't available for Linux and for Android. No one is providing indemnification in that way. If Google were doing that for Android, they would have automatically stepped in on behalf of the defendants.
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dazzlingd 27th Apr 2011
@Rick_K
Why are Apple suing HTC instead of Google?
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@orcmid

"That isn't available for Linux .... No one is providing indemnification ..."

Tha's a false fact.

If you want Linux indemnification, use M$'s approved Linux (Novell Suse).
@orcmid
The lawsuit you refer to is an excellent example why this racketeering, plain and simple. The technique in question exists in textbooks from 1973 and was use as early as 1967. The patent is from 1997.
Actually I am sure Microsoft are violating this patent as well, I would be astonished if they do not use this method in lots of places.
I think MS in general have always tried to bully companies who can afford to pay and stand more to loose from any uncertainty. They never went after Canonical, Red Hat and Google who have a core business around Linux and my guess is they never will, because they will fight.
BTW, RedHat is suing Blackrock to invalidate the aforementioned patent.
@day2die
And you know they are violating patents how? Accusations in US legal system are not equal of a conviction. That used to be USSR way of doing business.
@Rick_K Don't hate the player. Hate the game.
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Linux Geek Updated - 27th Apr 2011
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John Zern Updated - 27th Apr 2011
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@Johnny Vegas

Microsoft has a job in their PR department waiting for you. No facts necessary just the ability to bully other companies with expensive litigation by having a large supply of cash.
MSFT is apparently getting desperate since their stock has been stagnant since 1998. Yes, look at the chart, it's at the same price since late 1998. If you want to support a company that cannot innovate any longer, then MSFT is your company. It's about time somebody stands up to this like B&N did.
@apexwm

"it's at the same price since late 1998"

I sure wish my pension plan had performed that well!
@apexwm : I think you're confusing things... stock price and innovation aren't directly.
": I think you're confusing things... stock price and innovation aren't directly"

Ask Apple. Great innovator and they are what, the 2nd most valuable company in the USA?
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@apexwm Adjusted for inflation, it is actually down.
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WilErz Updated - 28th Apr 2011
@ itguy08

Apple only entered the top 50 firms in terms of annual patents awarded in the US in 2010. IBM have been the top firm for nearly two decades now, and Microsoft have been steadily climbing the rankings for years. They're currently in third place, but if trends continue, they'll move into second place within a few years, and perhaps eventually overtake IBM.

The precise numbers for 2010 are 5896 patents awarded to IBM, 3094 patents awarded to Microsoft and 563 awarded to Apple. If Apple are so innovative, and apparently keen to sue firms who violate their patents, why are they awarded so few compared with IBM or Microsoft (or Samsung for that matter)?
@apexwm
Actually patents are representations of pure innovation. It's the companies who rip off other companies' patents who lack innovation. You got this one totally bass ackwards.
@Major Plonquer
"Actually patents are representations of pure innovation. It's the companies who rip off other companies' patents who lack innovation. You got this one totally bass ackwards. "

Yes that was the original intent of patents in general, but in the world of computer software which are based on numerical algorithms, we face companies like Microsoft which hoard patents for everything they can think of, to keep other companies from competing. Such is the reason that B&N is standing up to Microsoft because of patents Microsoft holds, that do not apply to any of their current products are and clearly being mis-used to force lawsuits and collections from other companies. I suggest you read up on the subject a little more, and check out the lawsuits against the companies that use open source and GNU/Linux. And also the deals with Novell, Amazon, etc. See a pattern?
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browser. 27th Apr 2011
@Johnny Vegas Are you the Donnie Boy of the MS world?
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John L. Ries 27th Apr 2011
@Johnny Vegas
...MS would never *ever* file a malicious or frivolous lawsuit, or submit a questionable patent application. If MS says B&N is guilty then they must be guilty.

I don't know why courts even bother with hearings or trials in such cases. The judge should simply accept MS' claims as absolute truth and act accordingly.
@Johnny Vegas Well said... if you are putting a product or product out to pasture to compete (the Nook's purpose is to compete with the Kindle) then one would be smart to do a bit of market research.

a.) Did legal do a proper risk analysis?
* Did they analyze patent infringements currently in-play with HTC, Samsung, and other Android OEMs?

b.) Whether you agree with it or not did legal find the suits were being closed on? Motorola is the only one who stood up and that is because it took the one strategy stance with Android

c.) Since there was risk what was the mitigation strategy? Was it simply to try for a smear campaign? What are the risks of this campaign? What have your competitors done?

d.) Did you put enough money in the budget to run the gauntlet?

B&N's is operating on borrowed time. They pushed through $63 Million in loses in their last quarter and they are making heavy investments in online and digital media consumption (aka the Nook.) This side of the business has shown growth but with these words the more growth that is done on account of Nook the more $$$ it's going to cost them.

With that stated by putting this kind of wording on the table they are surely going to land themselves in court. They obviously believe the smear campaign will work to damage Microsoft's creditibility and maybe weaken things for the future.

When all is said and done I wouldn't be suprised if B&N and MSFT settle in court with some fairly substantial cost ramifications for B&N. Think back license fees on every device sold and then license fees on everything moving forward plus legal costs and a whole host of other things (damages, etc.)

When Microsoft heads to court they have the money to stay the long haul. B&N just doesn't have the ability to do that. Microsoft is extremely profitable with a warchest of money waiting for just these types of proceedings.

B&N is flailing.
@jessiethe3rd

Read the patents. MS has no leg to stand on. I'll bet this settles before it gets to trial and with sealed records. Neither MS or B&N want this to get to trial. MS looses, they loose all their patent claims. B&N looses, Open Source looses.
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B&N's financial status
apexwm 28th Apr 2011
It makes you wonder if Microsoft knows about B&N's struggling financial status, and if they view that as an easy capture.
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Say What??
Havoktek 27th Apr 2011
@Johnny Vegas
Dude are you serious??
Microsoft is the biggest Offender of IP stealing!
Not saying anyone else is more right, just don't throw stones...
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DeusXMachina 29th Apr 2011
@Johnny Vegas

Which patents are you talking about?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
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The counter accusations
bezoeker 17th May 2011
@Johnny Vegas
You really red the document?
>>?Microsoft nevertheless maintained that it possessed patents sufficient to dominate and entirely preclude the use of the Android Operating System by the Nook,? according to the complaint.

When they resorted to this type of argument, they have no fluff in their bases. I think B&N should fire their legal counsels and recruit new one, if they want to fight strongly.
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@John L. Ries
If you read their entire complaint, they never said MSFT doesn't have patents or whatever, but they are indicating that MSFT should not litigate B&N because it is just using open source for free. If that is the case, they should give away nook for free to everyone, then MSFT doesn't have a case to proceed.
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Rama.NET: False
John L. Ries 27th Apr 2011
I did actually read B&N's response. They allege that the patents are invalid and even if valid, that they don't legitimately apply to anything in Android. They also allege that MS insisted that B&N sign an NDA before MS bothered to substantiate the claim.
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DeusXMachina 29th Apr 2011
@Rama.NET

"If you read their entire complaint"

You first.
So Microsoft has not really changed it tactics? This sounds more and more like the Microsoft of old. SPread F.U.D. and try and extract protection money. If a competitor is leading then Microsoft feels the need to handicap (Hobble) the competitor at any cost.
@Rick_K
Same thing Apple did to HTC. Why didn't they sue Google, just sued OEM. Remember if you point fingers at one, rest of them will be pointing you.
@Rama.NET
And yet there was so much outrage that Apple (A hardware company), would sue HTC (another hardware company) for using hardware IP. Yet when Microsoft sues because they are not able to impose a tax on the competition, Microsoft gets a pass? This sounds a lot like Microsofts previous protection scheme.
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Stark_Industries 27th Apr 2011
@Rick_K
Nope, if you read the lawsuit, Apple are suing HTC over software infringements e.g. swipe the screen to unlock the phone.

Thanks for playing though.
@Stark_Industries
And what part of Android are they suing over? If Apple is suing over HTC provided add-ons to Android then HTC is the one to sue. Microsoft claims to have patents on the Android OS, not HTC added bits used to differentiate it from other Android competitors. Again things added by a Hardware company. But do not let facts get in your way, typical Apple hater.
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Thank you for posting the facts
apexwm 27th Apr 2011
Thank you for posting the facts. Yes it is Microsoft's game to attack companies using software patents, because they haven't been able to simply come out with a better product. In the end, the only party that this helps is Microsoft. Using software patents like this prevents innovation, competition, and ultimately the end consumer is the one that suffers. My only hope is that the Bilski case helps us make a move to abolishing software patents once and for all to prevent this type of activity.

I made the switch to Fedora Linux years ago, because I felt that Microsoft's software is declining in quality. And by the looks of it, Microsoft knows this is true. That, and a whole other list of reasons, including ways in which Microsoft controls its users with its software. I'll never spend another dime of my own money on their software. When I read articles like this, it makes me even more happy that I made the switch, as I would never support a company or buy its products that runs like this. I don't expect them to be perfect, but open source and GNU/Linux has a LOT more to offer, and doesn't have all of the political bloat added to it.
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Poke them with a serious stick
Robert Hahn 27th Apr 2011
This won't stop until IBM sues Microsoft for ten or twenty billion dollars for trade libel in connection with Microsoft's funding of the SCO lawsuit against IBM. With a big enough discovery net vacuuming up emails, it might even be possible to prove malice, thus resetting the MSFT balance sheet to zero cash.
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Makes sense to me. After all, if B&N were to leak the details of the alleged patent infringement to the general public, other alleged patent infringers might look for work arounds, making future lawsuits less profitable and intimidating. What's worse, some anti-business socialist commentator might start debunking the claims, thus encouraging people to believe that the head of the world's largest and most successful software company is a liar. Public discrediting of MS' intellectual property claims would cause people to hang onto their supposedly infringing devices instead of exchanging them for legitimate ones, thus providing a financial incentive for renegade corporations to continue to sell and support them, thus threatening the very survival of the Free Enterprise System.

It's definitely better for successful companies to treat such details as confidential trade secrets. Doing otherwise would be a breach of fiduciary duty.
@John L. Ries
You are being ironic of course.
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Of course
John L. Ries 27th Apr 2011
@kirovs@...
But "sarcastic" is probably the more accurate term.
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