Cisco asks European regulators to impose conditions on Microsoft-Skype

By | February 15, 2012, 10:06am PST

Summary: Cisco is asking EU antitrust authorities to impose interoperability guarantees on Microsoft around its coming Skype technologies and integrations.

Microsoft rival Cisco is asking European antitrust regulators to impose conditions on Microsoft regarding its Skype acquisition on February 15, four months after the European Commission approved the $8.5 billion Microsoft acquisition of Skype.

Cisco made the case for interoperability requirements in a February 15 post on the Cisco Corporate blog. According to the Cisco post, a European ISP, Messagenet, has joined with Cisco in its appeal to the EC authorities.

Though a headline on AllThingsD – “Cisco Appeals Europe’s Approval of Microsoft’s $8.5 Billion Skype Acquisition” — at first made me think Cisco was asking the EC to rethink its approval, the story makes the point that this isn’t the case. Cisco is instead focusing on the “without conditions” part of the EC approval of the merger.

From the AllThingsD story:

“Cisco doesn’t want the merger rescinded, but rather wants the EC to impose some interoperability conditions on Microsoft. Part of Microsoft’s plan with Skype has been to combine it with its Lync video and voice calling software for businesses. Both Lynch and Skype use their own proprietary calling technologies and so aren’t compatible with other video and calling services.”

EU regulatory clearance of the Microsoft-Skype deal was announced in October 2011 — just a couple of weeks after an Italian Skype rival raised concerns over Microsoft’s bundling plans for the technology. U.S. antitrust authorities  granted their approval of Microsoft’s Skype buy in June, 2011. Microsoft took over the operation of Skype in October 2011.

Microsoft is expected to launch a Skype app for Windows Phone in the early part of this year, possibly at the Mobile World Congress show in Barcelona at the end of this month. Lync-Skype integration is also in the works, as is Xbox Live-Skype integration, Microsoft officials have said.

Update: A Microsoft spokesperson sent the following statement regarding Cisco’s action today:

“The European Commission conducted a thorough investigation of the acquisition, in which Cisco actively participated, and approved the deal in a 36-page decision without any conditions.  We’re confident the Commission’s decision will stand up on appeal.”

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RE: Cisco asks European regulators to impose conditions on Microsoft-Skype
AS147 Updated - 16th Feb
The Skype product supports multiple platforms now and one of the codecs is an open source item. I suspect the real problem Cisco have is their CEO's demand that they drive to be number one or if not number two in their strategic markets is being threatened by some healthy competition.

No one batted an eye lid when Cisco purchased Tandberg and in one fell swoop became the number one video conferencing provider and started to squeeze out Polycomm!

BTW when Cisco had to release the codec they did so in their own sweet time and not until they integrated all the features into their own offerings first. This put all competitors at a disadvantage that they had to catch up on just to get to a level playing field.

I suspect Cisco don't think they will get far here but what it will do is add delay (which for them is usually the plan).
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time to break up M$
The Linux Geek 15th Feb
so it can compete fairly.
@The Linux Geek
Time for you to go troll somewhere else.
@The Linux Geek
Hey, that's cool! You used a dollar sign to represent the "S" in Microsoft. Like it's a company that makes money or something. Clever!
@The Linux Geek
go and bang your head on the wall... so that you may have a chance to get some common sense back...
Both Lynch and Skype use their own own proprietary calling technologies and so aren???t compatible with other [proprietary?] video and calling services.???
I used to be a big fan of Cisco, but after reading this not anymore. Cisco wants to end competition before it even starts so they can get the majority share of video services. I'm also betting Cisco is not going to open up their video and calling services. Lets hope the EU does not side with Cisco, but given that its a complaint against Microsoft they probably will.
@Loverock Davidson- ... I really don't take it that way. As MJF points out, the point being argued is that they want Microsoft to have to "play well with others" by making the Lync-Skype video codecs available to competitors to use for interoperability. That's actually a good thing, because it would allow the competing products to play together instead of against each other. I'm OK with that.
@GoodThings2Life
The problem is that MS spent $8.5 billions for the customer base, patents, and codecs. It seems strange for them to open up the codec for anyone to implement at no cost, unless of course, Cisco is willing to license it at a cost. Besides, Cisco had a chance to ask for conditions before the purchase was approved. Now, they're crying and wanting an appeal. You may be okay with it, but I'm not so sure if I would be okay with it if I were in MS position.
and this is why we cant have nice stuff, specially being a Microsoft user.

Stupid Cisco, only because they didn't buy skype now or dont have something equivalent to skype in marketshare for how too many people use it... well now they complain about what Microsoft can do with their software... so stupid.
Dear EU, we know we can't really compete so please force the competition to do everything for us....
@NoAxToGrind let's wait for christmas and see who has been the bad boy..
Yes we could have bought Skype, but its sooo much nicer having someone else foot the bill for us...
Are there standards for video calls now and does anyone follow them? Is Lync or Skype currently compatible with the Cisco equivalents? I don't think so.. I think that this is just a grab for part of the pie that they didn't think was necessary before.. You lose in the marketplace and now want the lawmakers to enforce others to give up their market share that they either earned or purchased a great product that is a market leader.
I guess it never hurts to ask, they might say "Yes".. If you don't ask, you don't get.
Don't know what's the problem of Cisco.
For voice, both Lycn and Skype (thru Skype connect) support SIP integration and Cisco already covered both area:

http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/business/skype-connect/#t_overview
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps11390/index.html

Unless Microsoft changed something that would breaks current Skype or Lync customers, I don't see what Cisco is worrying about.

Oh yeah, WebEx stinks. (Althought MS Livemeeting sucks more)
I'd rather use gotomeeting.

As for video calling. We don't have "standard" protocol (codec yes, protocol no) so what makes it more different than now? Even Cisco themselves doesn't integrate well with others and now they decided to cast the first stone?
@Samic I cannot _imagine_ Microsoft changing the implementation of a "standard" which would cause other "compeitor's" software to no longer work. That would never happen....
Video calling needs to be standardized so you don't have to worry about who's got skype, face time, google talk etc.
@rshol I do not see why. it is standartized to the point that it can play on iPad, Android, Win8, iOS. There has to be something to be able to compete. Only a client software is not enough to win the market.
@pupkin_z Given Microsoft's past actions, I think it's reasonable to ask for some kind of guarantee that Microsoft will not use Skype as a cudgel against competitors.
@rshol

So, then, the greater marketshare should then 'win'. I don't recall EVER using a Cisco equivalent. Skype, check. Lync, check. FaceTime, check... This seems like a push for least common denominator in tech and share.

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Why can't he be in one picture where he doesn't look like George the Animal Steele in a dress shirt?
@SamWilkinson Another flag by Craprock Davidson...
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Or, you could post "on topic", with at least a hint of constructiveness to spice up the criticism. "Your feet smell" (the equivalent to your post, and now mine unfortunately) adds nothing in the form of active critical thinking to this entire conversation. It's more like dogs barking while someone's on the phone.

No, I didn't flag you, yet I do agree with whomever did so.
Yes, I will post in opposition to such mundane comments, in hope against hope that the quality of content people decide to post increases eventually.
@FuzzyBunnySlippers No, it doesn't matter if you post on topic or not, if it's derogatory towards MS at all, he flags it. He's a paid ZDNet/Ziff Davis shill....if you've been here the past 10 years you'd see that.
Dang Cisco should've just bought Skype dang..Umi was joke no one bought it
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Easier solution ...
pmshah@... 15th Feb
What happens with Android platform when (not if) M$ kills Skype on that platform? They have already cancelled the license on a very widely popular and installed open source based voip Asterix hardware.
So, Apple has Facetime as an equivalent, right? Why doesn't Cisco just go for that?

The reason, of course, is that Skype has a dominating presence so it would be easier and cover more ground for Cisco to try and just ride the coat tails of Microsoft. They are going to try and force Microsoft's hand to turn over the keys to Skype after Microsoft has invested in the company and raised its corporate legitimacy - likely so it can keep its webex offering more relevant compared to Lync combined with Skype.

Then again, Cisco could have done the same as Microsoft and beat it to the punch for Skype, but didn't. So is Cisco going to turn out to be shrewd or screwed?
@achilles heal

+1 Good point. I don't think it's quite as popular to question Apple these days, as it is to question Microsoft, at least in the public eye. FFWD if Cisco does win, will it grow to include the degradation of FaceTime, etc, into something Cisco feels is 'fair'? (hence my earlier comment about least common denominators).
When Cisco bought Tandberg they had to give up their proprietary codec to a standards body to ensure the market thrived... (at the behest of the EU & others)

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2008499/ec-clears-ciscos-purchase-tandberg

Seems like the shoe is on the other foot and Cisco is asking to ensure a free market exists.

What are your thoughts?
The Skype product supports multiple platforms now and one of the codecs is an open source item. I suspect the real problem Cisco have is their CEO's demand that they drive to be number one or if not number two in their strategic markets is being threatened by some healthy competition.

No one batted an eye lid when Cisco purchased Tandberg and in one fell swoop became the number one video conferencing provider and started to squeeze out Polycomm!

BTW when Cisco had to release the codec they did so in their own sweet time and not until they integrated all the features into their own offerings first. This put all competitors at a disadvantage that they had to catch up on just to get to a level playing field.

I suspect Cisco don't think they will get far here but what it will do is add delay (which for them is usually the plan).

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