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First generation Windows Phone 7s won't be on Verizon or Sprint

By | September 17, 2010, 6:10am PDT

Summary: Verizon and Sprint won’t be offering Windows Phone 7 CDMA models until 2011. That’s not welcome news. What’s worse, however, if News.com’s paraphrase is on the money, is that Microsoft already is working on a “major rewrite” of the Windows Phone operating system.

Word is out that the first Windows Phone 7 phones out this calendar year are going to be GSM models only (which means T-Mobile and AT&T will be the only carriers here in the U.S. out of the gate). GSM is what the majority of the worldwide carriers support. But that mean’s Verizon and Sprint won’t be offering Windows Phone 7 CDMA models until 2011.

That’s not welcome news (at least for this Verizon customer)… What’s worse, however, if News.com’s paraphrase is on the money, is that Microsoft already is working on a “major rewrite” of the Windows Phone operating system. From Ina Fried’s story from September 17:

“Microsoft has opted to delay until next year the CDMA version as it works to finish work on its major rewrite of its phone operating system.”

What does this mean, exactly? Are we talking Windows Phone OS 8? Windows Phone 7.5? Will there be a firmware update coming for those consumers who do take the plunge and buy Windows Phone 7 phones in the next six months?

(I’ve asked Microsoft for clarification, but no word back so far.)

Update: Microsoft is saying the  “major rewrite” comment is nothing but a reference to the first Windows Phone 7 operating system release that just RTM’d a couple weeks ago and isn’t meant to imply anything about a follow-on. I didn’t read the September 16 story on News.com that way, but that is what they are saying…

Paul Thurrott, Windows expert and author of Windows Phone Secrets (Wiley, 2010), said I shouldn’t read too much into the “major rewrite” comment. His guess is that any near-term rewrite might include multitasking support, among other new features.

“Microsoft has been very upfront about its need to continually update the Windows Phone OS to achieve functional parity with the competition and fill in the missing holes. The only thing major that needs to change in the OS, from what I can tell, is to add third party support for low-level features like multitasking, or perhaps sockets, or other non-managed code functionality,” Thurrott said. “But the good news is that Microsoft has also been upfront about their desire to keep Windows Phone users up-to-date. So unless something awful has happened, any v1 Windows Phones will be upgradeable to whatever Microsoft comes out with next year.”

We do know that the version of the Windows Phone 7 operating system which Microsoft released to manufacturing earlier this month is still running on the Windows Embedded Compact 6.0 R3 core — not the Windows Embedded Compact 7 one. (Windows Embedded Compact 7 is due to RTM itself some time before the end of 2010.) Among the features in the Embedded Compact 7 release are support for “the latest” ARM processors, Flash 10.1 support, improved rich-media handling and more.

I’ll give Microsoft a couple of kudo points for transparency. Unlike some other vendors, Microsoft’s mobile team at least is admitting (when probed) that there’s an operating system update coming. saying there will be updates coming to Windows Phone OS. But what’s going to be part of these updates? If it is “just” the addition of CDMA support, then that’s one thing. But we still don’t know how and when Microsoft will be upgrading the OS to include the Embedded Compact 7 bits, multitasking, etc.

But the words “major rewrite” are definitely scaring me off from being among the first to try out a Windows Phone 7 Version 1.0 device. You?

I’ll add more from Microsoft if/when I hear back about what “major rewrite” is meant to imply…

In related news, Microsoft officials said this week that the company has no plans to make another smartphone itself, after the failed Kin debut this year. Too bad no one asked whether Microsoft planned to make another portable media player itself….

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WP7 is a Major rewrite....
kridek@... 17th Sep 2010
But maybe the phrase ?Microsoft has opted to delay until next year the CDMA version as it works to finish work on its major rewrite of its phone operating system.? means that the rewrite (from mobile 6.x to phone 7) is not fully finished: no copy paste, no CDMA, etc, etc.
@kridek@... Totally agree. To me I think they were saying basically...."we delayed the CDMA version while we polished off WP7 which was a major rewrite of our phone OS".
@mobilepaddy I think this does sound certainly plausable with WP7 being 'the major upgrade' and the CDMA version will come once GSM is released and working in the field.

WP7 is a major rewrite already and I don't think they would do it again as there would be a major backlash from the press and the public if that happened and it would probably cause a loss in confidence in Microsoft to deliver a mobile OS.

An update to WinCE 7 would certainly be welcome but I don't think that Microsoft, who are resting their mobile future on WP7 would risk an upgrade to WinCE 7 without a decent bake-in and validation period.
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Microsoft..
atrok Updated - 27th Jul
@mobilepaddy MS seems to be jerked around by circumstances beyond its control. That is often what happens when you have not got a clue where you are going.

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@kridek@... agreed. I was going to say the same thing. WinPhone7 IS the major rewrite.

I think the best person to ask BEFORE posting such a provocative blog post is Ina Fried, as those words are from the writer and not a quote from anyone at MS.
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That is what I thought also
Economister 17th Sep 2010
@kridek@...

MS seems to be jerked around by circumstances beyond its control. That is often what happens when you have not got a clue where you are going.
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@kridek@...

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@kridek@... Microsoft is probably abandoning development for Sync/Mesh on Windows Mobile 6.x. From what we've already seen of Windows Phone 7, it has built-in support for Skydrive (similar to Sharepoint), so I don't really see the lack of mobile sync in Essentials 2011 as a big deal.

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Most likely Ina got the terminology wrong. A major rewrite? Nah. Just adding a few things here and there seems to be the case.
@Loverock Davidson Hahahaha major rewrite to a major FAIL. Not even released yet and as usual MS is talking upgrade.

How predictably pathetic, just like you Lovey.
@cyberslammer
Hey the cry baby is back!
WAaaah! Waaaah! waaaaah!
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@Loverock Davidson again, I challenge you. Post your IT qualifications...you can't and you NEVER will. You know NOTHING of IT...do you even have a degree in IT? Even have a certification?
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@cyberslammer
Pull your head out dude. Apple and Google both do it. You need to lay off whatever is impairing your short term memory. Seems if I recall correctly, Apple was talking update right out of the gate after their 4.0 iOS release... Something to fix those nasty little bugs with the proximity sensor and bluetooth issues.
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****NOTICE****
trickytom3 19th Sep 2010
@cyberslammer

Cyberslammer also goes by the name "Ron Burgundy", and possibly even "Banned from ZDnet".
@Loverock Davidson and as usual, anything anyone posts to Loverock is flagged as spam and removed, but ZDNet doesn't remove his posts. It's clear to see Loverock is a paid ZDNet shill.
@cyberslammer & @LoveRock

The two of you should get a room. It's obvious you have a love/hate relationship with each other. Get a room and get it overwith, for all our sakes. Please.
@Pollyproteus No, I'd much rather just curb stomp him ala American History X and put him out of his pathetic misery.
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You should get a WP7 and then you can practice curb stomping on Gears of War!

PS Gears of War is an XBox exclusive so there is no "App For That" in Apple's application store. happy happy happy
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So you're using "Cyberslammer" today?
trickytom3 19th Sep 2010
@cyberslammer

Good choice...it seems like a "Cyberslammer" kind of day.
@Loverock Davidson Oh dear. Mind getting over your fanboyism?
@tehpea
What fanboyism? I was just saying why this particular line about the rewrite was taken out of context and corrected it.
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No, its the rewrite to Win Phone 7
tristandyer 17th Sep 2010
"has opted to delay until next year the CDMA version as it works to finish work on its major rewrite"

Ie finish the rewrite, as in the rewrite that is (now) finished.

It may not be trivial to write the CDMA drivers, but cmon this isn't some Mom and Pop that would hardcode references to GSM code into the OS, they will have created interfaces for future radio's and alternate radios.

Are they going to have to do a major rewrite for both LTE and WiMax as well?

Cmon, they aren't _that_ stupid.
@tristandyer They were with Vista and Longhorn, so why not this?
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I do not know the facts, but
Economister 17th Sep 2010
@cyberslammer

when you have little vision and direction as well as corporate turf wars, ANYTHING is possible.

Pity the shareholders, but I guess they can sell.
@cyberslammer vista is longhorn, dont try and give yourself extra 'evidence' by listing the same thing twice, its intellectually dishonest.

Right, so the issue you are citing is that Microsoft tried to do an evolution of XP into longhorn, realized that the 95 codebase was not capable or secure, rewrote based on the server 2003(NT) codebase and laid the foundation in terms of API's and frameworks that is the success of 7. I'm sorry that Nvidia was lazy and proved themselves incompetent in the Vista launch timeframe causing most of the percieved issues with Vista.

Windows is in general incredibly well architected. that's why it isn't a big deal whether you have Nvidia, Ati or Intel graphics.

It is generally accepted that 7 will be a foundation that MS can innovate on for a while, incorporating R&D into it without a wholesale rewrite a la OSX.
@tristandyer LOL nice try, you say Windows Phone 7 is innovative? How much more shilling can you do? No multi-task, no copy/paste?

Welcome to 2007. The rest of us are looking forward to 2011.
@tristandyer - Actually Vista was a result of the Longhorn project being tossed out after it being determined that it would have taken longer to stablize the existing Longhorn code (which was incredibly unstable as the devs, for all intents and purposes, had free reign to check in code without any real compatibility checks {think "it builds in my dev environment so it must be good"}).

Instead they opted to do a reset/restart, throwing away all the Longhorn code (two plus years of work) and start over from a known stable point (Windows Server 2003).

Unfortunately this means that it was over five years from XP to Vista and so some of the process was rushed, which is why it wasn't until Vista SP1 that it was deemed "usable" by the technical users (regular home users had no problems with it) for enterprise/corporate customers.
@pollyproteus Thanks for schooling that fool. Much appreciated.
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I'll bet that Ron Burgundy agrees with you!
trickytom3 Updated - 19th Sep 2010
@cyberslammer

Since you are one and the same person!
@tristandyer

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of management.

NEVER underestimate the pettiness of corporate turf wars.

NEVER underestimate the pleasure I get out of Microsoft's failures.

Win Mo 7? Meh!!! BFD!!!!
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Typical MS Fudge
Alan Smithie 17th Sep 2010
Just look at any major's share price over the last 5 years and see just how it has performed vs MSFT.

Glad I bought IBM and Apple stock 5 years ago as I would have lost money with MS and that is probably going to go down as they are nowhere to seen in mobile.
I've held off getting an Android for many months waiting for Phone 7, but I'm on Sprint, so now it'll be months more after the debut? Q2 of 2011 then? Very disappointing. You'd think with billions in cash they could have hired a few CDMA driver developers in the last year or so ... great planning, Microsoft, very Kin-ish of you...
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Please GOD kill off CDMA soon.
Johnny Vegas 17th Sep 2010
It's such a pathetic waste of resources and it makes the US the laughing stock of the mobile world...
@Johnny Vegas - Japan also uses CDMA...
@Johnny Vegas
In every techincal aspect that matters CDMA is superior to GSM, and LTE is evolved from CDMA foundations, so the idea that CDMA makes the US a laughing stock is, well, laughable. If anything it makes us look prescient, and Europe look, well, amateurish.
@DeusXMachina CDMA is the worst of the two by any measurable means.Example when plugging phone into copy data to.from phone (no incoming calls are possible)
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@mrlinux: don't lie
NonZealot 17th Sep 2010
Example when plugging phone into copy data to.from phone (no incoming calls are possible)

This is a lie. Incoming calls are never blocked by data usage.
@mrlinux
This is not an example of a CDMA issue, it is one of implementation. More importantly, it was addressed specifically in the CDMA2000 specs.
But good job claiming it is superior in every measurable way, and then cherry-picking a single issue. You are really going to contend that a TDMA data structure is superior to CDMA? Really?!?
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I would welcome a major rewrite for WP
Johnny Vegas 17th Sep 2010
As soon as feasilbly possible. But not to "compact" anything. The era of compact has passed. These devices now sport more cpu/memory than laptops did when the need for compact arose.
There's actually someone still using CDMA??? WOW!
@pedroroque
Yes, the US, Japan, and Korea (as well as China) the foremost leaders in technological innovation on the planet.
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Er.. Not all of China...
Wolfie2K3 17th Sep 2010
@DeusXMachina
China Mobile uses GSM. A buddy of mine picked up a Motorola RAZR 2 V8 that was branded with China Mobile's logo...

Secondly, while it may seem like China's a leader in technology - it's NOT by it's own initiative. It's mainly due to jobs being offshored, manufacturing plants being built there to make the stuff designed elsewhere - like the US and Japan.
@Wolfie2k3
Your point being? AT&T is GSM, that says nothing about Verizon. Are you claiming that China Mobile is the only mobile provider in China? Cause guess what? You're wrong.
As for your last aspersion, there is a reason I stated China parenthetically.
Et tu Brutus? This is what happens when journalists report on other journalists statements out of context without verifying any of the facts. Like when it was reported Dell was dropping WP7 simply because it was omitted from a list of hardware partners in an article that had nothing to do with Dell. Simply talking to Ina, who is that one who knows what she meant by this statement would have cleared this up. The statement is simply mean to say Microsoft will delay CDMA as it finishes WP7 (the major rewrite of mobile operating system. Unfortunately, this articles salacious headline has already been repeated by 100 other so called journalists without anyone simply asking Ina for context or a retraction of this headline.
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RE: Salacious headline
fatman65535 17th Sep 2010
@Russell_Clark

There is a term that describes this (salacious) type of headline: CLICK BAIT.
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Seriously, this is just running me up the wall. People will sit in awe of anything those people in Cupertino will release, yet if Microsoft really pushes a new movement, finally getting back into the race, it's just a battering ram of how 'it sucks,' because MSFT is transparent to an extent to release, how every slight qualm becomes headline fodder, and it's just sickening.

Windows Phone 7 apparently will be GSM only at launch, something which 90% of the world will go "there's something else than GSM?" It'll have, number out of a hat, 80% of the functionality, maybe 90, of it's competition. I just wish it were out already and people had devices in their hands, this buildup is just getting aggrivating at this point. *corrected one spelling/grammar mistake*
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@clindhartsen
Now... what other phone was released:
- only on GSM
- no copy and paste
- no 3rd party multi-tasking
- no applications (oops, WP7 is launching with applications)

Oh right, the iPhone! Yeah, WP7 is doomed, DOOMED I TELL YOU!!!

While I will be waiting until WP7.5 before dumping my iPhone, I do find it hilarious how iPhone was released to compete against phones that were on CDMA and GSM, had copy and paste, supported 3rd party multi-tasking, and had an application library size that Apple still hasn't caught up to yet, but all the Apple zealots were cheering and laughing and hugging and kissing at the innovative grid of icons on the non-customizable home screen! The funny thing is that nearly everything Apple has added since then was already in Windows Mobile!

Cue the double standards...

WP7 has an extremely innovative UI. Everyone who has used it, loves it. That this UI has all the ABMers in such a panic only proves further how good they know it is.
@NonZealot

Don't think there is any panic. I expect notifications systems on the iPhone to change drastically for iOS 5.

All MS did was create a better notification system which is the iPhone's main weakness. Apple knows it, which is why they went out and got Rich Dellinger who helped create the best notification system for what may be the best mobile OS.

When I look at the apps I use on my iPhone and try to find them for WinMo I come up empty most of the time. Right now I see a decent (I'm not in love with it) notification/home screen with no meat and potatoes underneath. Until the apps I use become available I feel the emperor has no clothes. I expect that to change.

The competition will be watching/reacting and I can't wait to see what Rich Dellinger brings to iOS 5 as a result. Too bad Ballmer didn't pay more attention to the iPhone sooner as a opposed to mocking it when it first came out. If there was more competition sooner then we the customer may have had even more innovation in our hand as we speak. At least we had Android.
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