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First Windows Phone 7 devices won't run Silverlight in the browser

By | March 19, 2010, 8:17am PDT

This may be obvious to some, but in case you were wondering: The first Windows Phone 7 devices aren’t going to be able to run  Silverlight in the browser.

Silverlight is the primary development platform for Windows Phone 7. Since Silverlight 4 isn’t quite done yet, Microsoft is providing Windows Phone 7 developers with a version of Silverlight 3 enhanced with some Silverlight 4 features, for development purposes, company officials said this week.

But Silverlight also is a browser plug-in that enables viewing of multimedia content, the same way Adobe’s Flash does. The few smartphones that do support browser plug-ins like Flash support FlashLite, not full Flash, because the processors in phones haven’t been powerful enough to support them.

Product Manager Mike Harsh noted that Silverlight won’t run in the browser on the first generation of Windows Phone 7 devices during his presentation about developing for Windows Phone 7 at Mix this week. Here’s a slide from his deck:

When I asked a spokesperson for more details about Microsoft’s plans to support Silverlight as a browser plug-in on phones, I received back this statement via e-mail:

“In its first release, the Windows Phone browser does not support a browser plug-in model. We are evaluating this for future releases of Windows Phone. It is very straightforward to take an existing Silverlight browser based application and re-compile it to target the Windows Phone. Silverlight 4 has not yet been released. We will be sharing more details on Windows Phone support for Silverlight 4 once both products are in the market. Stay tuned.”

We still don’t know exactly when Microsoft and Adobe will manage to get the Flash player on Windows Phone 7 devices (the pair have said they’re working together to do so). I wonder if the Flash player debut ahead of Silverlight on phones running Microsoft’s Windows Phone OS 7.0….

Microsoft Lead Product Manager Brian Goldfarb said last year that Silverlight 3 would be supported on Windows Phone 7 (back when it was known as Windows Mobile 7). It was unclear at that time whether he was talking about Silverlight the development platform or Silverlight the runtime player; I think many of us assumed it was the latter.

Meanwhile, in other related news, the emulator for Windows Phone 7 has been unlocked by developer Dan Ardelean, just days after Microsoft made it available to programmers interested in getting a head start on writing apps for Windows Phone 7.

Update: One of my readers, Martin Bennedik, questioned Microsoft’s claim that the first iteration of the Windows Phone 7 browser wouldn’t support a plug-in model. He said he was able to get Silverlight to work using the Windows Phone 7 emulator.

“My Silverlight chess board is displayed, although the screen of the emulator has a lot of flickering, and I didn’t manage to use the UI. You can verify this yourself by going to www.bennedik.de/Silverboard.html in the emulator’s browser. This wouldn’t display at all if their claim about no plug-in model would be true, I think,” he said.

Finally, as this big week for Windows Phone 7 comes to a close, Microsoft is battling claims that Windows Phone 7 is not going to meet enterprise users’ needs.

In a March 18 blog post, Charlie Kindel, Microsoft Partner Group Program Manager for the Windows Phone Application Platform & Developer Experience refuted the idea that Microsoft forgot about business users when designing Windows Phone 7.

“Windows Phone 7 Series will be a great business phone. We applied the same end user focus to designing the phone’s business capabilities that we did with every other element of the phone. We asked people and even IT administrators what they need from a phone. The answer was consistent. They want a single device that excels at core business functions like email, reading and editing Office documents and collaboration, while also offering rich features and capabilities that help people stay on top of the different parts of their lives, at home and at work.

“We expect Windows Phone 7 Series to appeal to people who are active, connected and working, so Exchange & SharePoint integration and the features within the new Office hub are core to the phone’s value. Similarly, we know that people add these phones to corporate networks and that we need to make that process easy for administrators. Interestingly, when we talk to corporate IT staff and business decision makers they ask us to give them a compelling phone that will not only improve productivity,  but also appeal to the end user’s “whole life,” as people wish to carry only one Smartphone to meet both business and personal needs. We think Windows Phone 7 Series will do this better than any other phone on the market today.

For us, it’s not a matter of ‘consumer’ OR ‘corporate.’ We view our target customer as the kind of person who is looking to technology as a helper in their lives, and we find this kind of person in small businesses, all the way to the largest corporations.  Whichever end of the spectrum they are in, we are building a phone that works for them, in their environment.”

I’ll be interested to see if business users agree with this assessment. So far, I’m hearing from a number of business customers that Windows Phone 7 is too consumer-focused for them to use as a hybrid platform….

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: First Windows Phone 7 devices won't run Silverlight in the browser
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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so lame
Linux Geek 19th Mar 2010
M$ can't even run its own products on windoze mobile.
even Novell can run the patent laced moonlight on it.
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Where are all the FOSS phones then?
Joe_Raby 19th Mar 2010
What happened to the mobile versions of Linux then?

Android? You mean from Google - the company that holds their search algorithm as patented, closed source-code, and collects and sells as much information of yours as they can get their hands on?

Last time I saw a purely Linux phone, it was made by Sharp (the Zaurus). And where are they now?

Even Stallman doesn't get into mobile operating systems because of closed source software.
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android, webos, moblin and others
Linux Geek 19th Mar 2010
.
  • Flagged
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All have...
webmaster@... 19th Mar 2010
significant closed source, proprietary components.
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Fruitless
MSFTWorshipper 19th Mar 2010
to argue with LinuxGeek. His mind is gone.
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And you're assuming he/she/it ever HAD a mind to begin with are you? Not likely.
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FUD
Linux Geek 19th Mar 2010
they are all based on GPL license.
You can't make them more open than that.
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Sorry, but you're wrong
Joe_Raby 20th Mar 2010
Android is heavily tied into Google Search. Show me the source code to Google Search. You can't.

Moblin is dead and Meego hasn't even been released yet.

Also show me where Palm has released source code to WebOS. You can't, because Palm hasn't licensed it under the GPL. They only licensed previously-released GPL-licensed modules for use in WebOS. In fact, you can say that since WebOS includes modules that are GPL-compliant with Palm's own modules, they aren't complying with the terms of the GPL.
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Android's components/licensing
rfdparker2002 Updated - 21st Mar 2010
To be specific Android is:

* At it's basis, a Linux kernel and probably
some other GNU tools - these are licensed under GPLv2
* On top of that is the rest of the Java-based
Android stack, which is licensed under the more liberal
Apache license. This includes the majority of applications
user-end shipped with stock Android.

However there are a number of so-called 'Google
Apps' - including GMail (although Android also has an
Apache-licensed POP3/IMAP Email app), Maps, Market, YouTube,
Google sync of Calendar and Contacts (although the actual
Calendar and Contacts apps are themselves
Apache-licensed.), etc - which are propreitary and
have to be licensed from Google. In addition, most of the
drivers that manufacturers include for their specific
devices will normally be proprietary, but beyond that,
Android is open source, in the form of GPL and Apache-
licensed code. It is possible to build and use Android
without the Google Apps, as is optionally possible with the
popular CyanogenMod ROM.
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yay you're back rejoice!
linux geek2 Updated - 21st Mar 2010
i'm so happy. take that windoze losers! go buy a real computer! more words of wisdom from my personal hero.
It will work for me.
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which business users are you talking to?
reverseswing 19th Mar 2010
What do businesses need from their Blackberries & other phones at this point in time? Emails,contacts, Calendar, ability to view spreadsheets, pdfs, etc & a decent phone. You're going to get all of that plus sharepoint integration with the new OS. You will also have keyboard devices for people like me who don't like typing on a touchscreen. So why does anyone think these phones won't work for businesses?
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Plus
A.Sinic 20th Mar 2010
... I am fairly hopeful they will allow proper certificate-based access to corporate WiFi networks, which saves a bundle on data plan costs.
Maybe they (Microsoft) should just delay windows 7 phone
series, a little till it is done. How many more things are not
actually shipping with it? No CCP, Not 3rd party multitasking,
no external memory, and now no silverlight? This is looking
more, and more like a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Software upgrades
John Zern 19th Mar 2010
Appel didn't wait, they knew they had to release their phones prematurelly in order to hit the market at the right time.

My guess is that they've researched the timing and found it to be the best time to do so, add the couple features later as they mature.
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I can just picture...
Rick_K 21st Mar 2010
The Android ads now. I do 7 times as much, The sad thing is Microsoft
copied the wrong version of the iPhone OS. They should have copied the
3 version, not the first. Unless they feel the religious faithful, will buy it
just for the name.
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This just get better and better...
webmaster@... 19th Mar 2010
[nt]
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Silverlight Apps for Windows7
jznoy-dallas Updated - 19th Mar 2010
When will MSFT port the Phone7 apps to Windows7 desktop? That is the last boundary for Apple's dominance. To trump it now would be awesome.

Also, does anyone know if MSFT will do a tablet version of Phone7? Once the platform is set, then let the products fly!!!
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Why Phone7 OS?
MSFTWorshipper 19th Mar 2010
there are already tablets with Windows 7, why put an inferior, lightweight OS when you can get the full meal deal?
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PhoneOS more friendly than DesktopOS
jznoy-dallas 19th Mar 2010
Windows7 is meant for larger format screens. On smaller screens, the touch is not as capable (i.e. small icons, sliders, pointers, etc.). THAT is why Apple is using iPhoneOS and not MacOS for such devices with limited usability.
If the use Win7 kernel with an overlay of Silverlight, then that would work but why do double work when Phone7 does it all.
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A Desktop Os is designed for just one thing
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 19th Mar 2010
The Desktop.

Benefits of using a mobile OS, such as Android, iPhone OS, and if MSFT could get their sh*t together, Windows Phone 7 OS.

If MSFT would put together a version of Windows Phone 7 OS, rewrite Office for a tablet version like Apple has done with the iPad and iWork, I think the Windows Only crowd here would be climbing over each other to get one, and it would be the next best thing since sliced bread, combined with all of the services that they tie into with Zune and Xbox Live, they could possibly compete with Apple. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

The benefits of a lightweight OS is exactly that. It runs on mobile processors such as ARM, and could boast 10 hr battery life without having to put a 3lb battery brick in the thing.

The question is will MSFT do something about it? or will they wait for Apple to have a commanding lead in this market? I would bet the latter, but I have been known to be wrong before.
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Because its designed for Touch
yoshipod 19th Mar 2010
Window 7 is a desktop OS designed for desktop (laptop) use. It is built to
have a mouse/trackpad as the primary input method. Yes it supports
touch, but that is an added on feature. Cramming it into a new form
factor where touch is the primary input method is not the best way to go
about doing it.

Apple has is right in using an OS developed from the start with touch in
mind. That is the correct approach. My guess is Windows Phone 7 will
follow.
There will be many things missing from the first generation of Windows Phone 7 Series units. There will be no Silverlight, Flash or HTML5 working in the browser. Well, no HTML5 beyond simple H264 video, which every handset on the planet can do anyway. Multitasking? No way. What you do get is this wonderful app store where Ballmer gets to approve what software you can use, and remotely switch off any naughty unauthorised apps.
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just not true
DonBurnett 21st Mar 2010
why don't you insert "jobs" in there instead of Ballmer, and you'll have another company's current strategy..

for someone who's a market analyst have you actually examined the emulator or what's actually there? Maybe there is more to this going on than you know at this time..
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You are totally clueless
Rama.NET Updated - 21st Mar 2010
Hey, you are blatantly wrong. I have downloaded the CTP of WP7S and
I can do Silverlight, ok, Silverlight may not be available for browser,
but I can develop apps targeting standalone one. That is what people
would buy into. And probably Microsoft would release Silverlight for
browser as a software update. HTML5 is available, you are wrong
there. Flash is a different topic. As per Multitasking, I could use
notification service and any intelligent app developer could serialize
the state of the app and resume it from there. You really don't have to
have OS level multi-tasking support to do things. I bet Microsoft
would enable Multitasking features for business editions of WP7S,
which they haven't announced yet. Now go ahead and spread your
venom.
--Ram--
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Seriously?!
jznoy-dallas 19th Mar 2010
Like anyone would waste time clicking on those links. Trojan horses, ahoy!
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It appears that the perpetual theme from the WinMo7 team is "it won't".

It is starting to sound like Win Vista. A lot of pretty colors ... but many promised features missing. In fact, Win7 is out and we are still waiting for the eternally promised and never delivered WinFS.
This is ridiculous... Supported or not the emulator right now plays at least some silverlight stuff just fine..

Check out this...

Mary-Jo where are you getting this stuff...

The emulator that they provided at Mix 10 seems to do this fine right now or I wouldn't be able to provide this screen shot..

Right now the windows phone emulator and not even the "unlocked" one plays my Silverlight website opening screen just fine, supported or not..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4261686&l=f00175b8a5&id=540071780
The point I think Microsoft made here is that Silverlight version 4 apps will not work, mostly because it's Silverlight 3 + phone extensions..

Silverlight 3 apps probably are another story. But who has upgraded or created a real SL 4 app and deployed yet..
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