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Five surprising things about Microsoft's Kin

By | April 12, 2010, 12:46pm PDT

Summary: Now that the Kin cat is out of the bag, here are a few things I found surprising about the devices (after reporting for more than two years on every twist and turn about Pink).

It’s official: Microsoft’s Pink project is no longer a mystery (or even a partial mystery). The details are out, and the name of the phones, targeted at the teen/twenty-something market, is Kin.

There have been plenty of rumors. But now the specs and actual photos are here. There’s a Kin One and a Kin Two (”Turtle” and “Pure”). Sharp, Verizon and Vodafone are, indeed, the partners. Verizon is going to start offering the first Kins in the U.S. in May and via Vodafone in Germany Europe in “the fall.

Now that the Kin cat is out of the bag, here are a few things I found surprising about the devices (after reporting for more than two years on every twist and turn about Pink):

1. The Kin phones make use of the “same core elements as Windows Phone 7.” The Kin isn’t a dumbed-down Windows Phone (as we’d been hearing it might be). Kin phones have Exchange connectivity, Zune music/video capabilities and dedicated Bing search buttons, just like Windows Phone 7 phones will. The Kin phones will be the “first Windows Phones that ship with Zune,” said Kin team members at the launch today. (I asked several team members what the operating system is inside and no one was willing to say more than it is Windows Compact Edition-based, just like Windows Phone OS 7.0 is; they wouldn’t talk about version numbers or whether the two phone OSes have more in common than just their CE roots.)

2. The Kin team spent “thousands of hours” with the target audience before they wrote a line of code. This information-gathering project was part of what was known as “Project Muse” (another codename I had heard and wondered about). Microsoft teams like to pride themselves on doing customer outreach and telemetry, but they interviewed 50,000 (!) people, I was told. Planning started back in the summer of 2007, a year before Microsoft acquired Danger.

3. Speaking of Danger — and the Sidekick — the Kin doesn’t seem much like a Sidekick at all. Yes, a bunch of the Danger folks defected and/or were let go, post acquisition. But calling the Kin “the next-generation Sidekick” isn’t really accurate. I asked whether there were any elements of the Danger OS in the new phones and was told no.

4. There are no apps for the Kin. No app marketplace and nothing other than the Kin service which will connect users to their Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and Kin Studio (cloud services collection). At least for now, there are no plans to introduce apps for the Kin devices.

5. Microsoft kept the Kin name a secret until today. I had a chance to ask Roz Ho, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft’s Premium Mobile Service team and the head of the Pink project about the “Kin” name. Like other Microsoft execs, she emphasized the “kinship” connections of Kin. She also said Microsoft considered lots of names — possibly as many as a thousand — before deciding on Kin. (She wouldn’t share any of the other names; I asked.) It’s kind of amazing kin.com was available and that no one figured out until today that Pink = Kin.

I’ve got some more interesting tidbits about Kin, Pink and other related topics from a conversation I had with Ho coming up in my next post. Stay tuned.

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RE: Five surprising things about Microsoft's Kin
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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Appless and Hapless
gjafg 12th Apr 2010
Why are there no apps for Kin? Any cheap feature phone can at least run some apps, like Java apps. Cheap BREW handsets can run apps. Why on earth would anyone buy these appless and hapless Kins?
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Loser!
davebarnes 12th Apr 2010
"there are no plans to introduce apps for the Kin devices"

It is 2010. What kind of phone does not have apps? Only "feature" (AKA dumb phones like the one I own) phones.
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It is a feature phone.
Sleeper Service 12th Apr 2010
Try reading the article next time.

As for apps... yeah, no-one really cares.
These phones represent absolute vendor lock-in. Most cheap feature phones allow you to run Java apps. Kin forbids you. You can only run Microsoft installed apps. You cannot change anything. The Bing Button is hardwired to use Bing only. You cannot use a calendar. You are forbidden from using any Instant Messaging. Welcome to Microsoft's Walled Garden, where you do as Ballmer says.
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And?
Sleeper Service 12th Apr 2010
It seems to work for others.

Plus Zune pass is integrated which is a win.
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Every feature phone I ever owned, I could download a Java based Instant Messaging client, and access all the major IM services, like AIM, Yahoo etc. With Kin, I can't run any of those little Java apps I could run on my feature phone. It won't allow any IM app. No self respecting teen will buy a phone that will not allow instant messaging. It's dead. The Kin is dead.
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IM is old generation
Rama.NET Updated - 13th Apr 2010
welcome to the world of web 2.0 derivatives aka social networking. I haven't seen any teen lately hanging out on IMs. Period. with that said, I have seen most of the teens hanging out on Facebook largely, Twitter and MySpace and few other social networks. Txting==teens is largely known fact. I don't say having appsotre wouldn't be nice feature, but I think Microsoft would let the developers create Apps that would target either Zune, Social Networking or Microsoft Cloud Services later in future as a software update once they release full featured Windows Phone 7.
--Ram--
and your point is....?
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I think this is aimed at kids who spend all their time in their social networks. If the Kin does that for them in a joined-up way, why would they need other Apps?

There is always WP7 if you want a more general device.

I'm guessing noone on this board is in the target market anyway.
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I know, iPhone:
John Zern Updated - 12th Apr 2010
walled garden with App Store.

Android: walled garden with Android Market.

They look to be working fine for Apple and Google

I've never seen Market ANALyst complain about those, yet he'll cry far and loud how bad MS is for having a Windows Phone 7 Marketplace.

Well, when you carry the hate he apparentlly does, anything MS does will be seen as evil, even if it ends up saving a couple of puppies or kittens or something.
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So why do you care?
John Zern 12th Apr 2010
Why not just save everyone some time and just say:

I (Market Analyst) absolutelly hate anything Microsoft related, so take a guess on what my feelings are about this new MS product that I'll never buy or even touch.

No need to post a long, drawn out rant, just cut and paste that small paragraph, and we'll get the message.

Or maybe just post a sad face, we'll fill in the rest ourselves based on past posts. happy
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I suspect that if Microsoft surveyed 50,000 people they'll have a good idea of whether an app store was really necessary for their target users.

As somebody has already pointed out, app stores are still walled gardens. I own an iPhone 3G, I bought it sim-free from apple and run it on a non fixed-term contract. The idea being that I wouldn?t be trapped in one of O2?s extortionate 24 month contracts and could change the phone/contract/carrier whenever I wanted. Here?s the kicker though, I?m 18 months in and have probably spent more than the phone is currently worth on apps, I can?t move to android or WP7 cos I?ll lose all those brilliant apps I paid for.

I?m left with a choice, buy a new iPhone and port my apps, or bin them and start again on a new phone. Once you start investing in apps you?re emotionally and/or financially tied to that platform, unless you?re loaded and are happy chucking your money away; but I suspect most teens and 20-somethings don?t fall into this category. My 20-something girlfriend for one would be perfectly happy with one of these phones, although I admittedly would not.
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... Apple?
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Go buy Apple then.
Bozzer 14th Apr 2010
Oh wait...
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You're not the target market.
CobraA1 13th Apr 2010
Simply put: You're not the target market.

This isn't a smart phone, and isn't aimed at you.
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everybody loves games.
magallanes 13th Apr 2010
with the exception of some old audience that i don't think that it is focused this cellphone.
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it's a phone
Al_nyc 13th Apr 2010
You don't need apps to make a phone call.
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Full circle?
Dr. Frumious Bandersnatch 13th Apr 2010
So, anbody here remember when cell phones first appeared? You used the device to actually make a phone call away from your home, amazing! Today's devices aren't cell phones, they're hand held computers that also make calls, in many cases not so well, and make big bucks for the cell companies. Everyone doesn't need apps, some folks just need a phone to communicate, imagine that, just to communicate. Now theres a new (old) concept that works!
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RE: Five surprising things about Microsoft's Kin
Loverock Davidson 12th Apr 2010
Good article, the more I hear about these Kin phones the more interested I get. I'd like to hear more about pricing but that will come in time. I have to wonder if Verizon is going to classify these as feature phones and do the 25MB data plan or force the unlimited $30 data plan on people.

As for the apps, there are no apps yet but it wouldn't surprise me if people started making them for this phone. It was harder to do with BREW phones, but given this is Windows and there are a lot of developers out there it will come eventually.
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only 25 mb?
BlasterNT 13th Apr 2010
Are you sure that would be enough? Looking at the phone,
it's awfully multimedia heavy
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You're not gonna buy a Kin phone
still not nice 13th Apr 2010
So knock it off...
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Neither is it a true Zune HD
xp-client 12th Apr 2010
Without HD output, it can't be a Zune now. Does it even store video actually in HD and have HD radio? Just playing media using the Zune engine on Windows Phone 7 and syncing with the Zune software doesn't make it a Zune.
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Well, the camera...
BlasterNT 12th Apr 2010
... does support taking HD video, so I expect that there
should be some form of HD out
Only techy's do. As long as the kids can update their facebook, tweet and text, they are good. HD Out?!?!? You guys apprently didn't read who was target audience was! Read then Speak! Good grief!
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HD on Phone for kids
mmeade@... 13th Apr 2010
My son is 16 and the camera on his phone is very important to him. He and his friend are constantly exchanging little videos, and this would be great for him? What kid are you talking about?
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good grief.
magallanes 13th Apr 2010
Apparently the target audience is not the young people (that casually are the best people that download apps and purchase useless stuffs) but the dumb audience.
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What's next?
still not nice 13th Apr 2010
BluRay on Kin phones?

If that's supposed to be a selling point, then yes, that does cater to a dumb audience.

lol... grin
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too late to the party... more MS crap trying to catch up with
the market leaders - apple, android, RIM.

They will sell a few if parents get them for kids but no one
wants to walk around with this thing unless they want their
butt kicked. Under powered and awful designs.
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Underpowered?
BlasterNT 12th Apr 2010
For what?
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Underpowered?
panic man 12th Apr 2010
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Ooh, I see your point
BlasterNT 12th Apr 2010
Yeah, that delay is going to be annoying. And it's
ironic too, I remember somewhere in a WP7 thing, they
mentioned that the phone had to be instant; etc, for
it to be natural, and that definitely is going to feel
a little unnatural. Oh well...

As for the rest of your post, I don't really think
it's fair to compare this to iPhone, Android,
BlackBerry OS, cause this is a "feature phone", and a
rather good one, IMHO, too. I am 15, and the focus on
the "social" aspect really appeals to me. I do agree
on the terrible looks of the KIN One, but I don't
think the Two looks too bad. Matter of fact, the
Two's hardware looks like it'd be a decent smartphone
(multitouch, too!)
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Interesting...
storm14k 12th Apr 2010
I'd think most teens would aim higher and get the
same social aspect on phones that have more going
for them rather than aim for a phone that may not
do much beyond that. Now if its ridiculously
cheaper than the other phones then yea. But if its
not...well there are too many other options on the
market for the price.
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Teens as in 18 year old
John Zern Updated - 12th Apr 2010
or 14 - 15? I can see a phone like this appealing to parent of we'll say a 14 year old kid (the parents who will be buying it and the plan), which is fine because it gets them used to Windows Phone 7.

Seriouslly, I don't know of any 14YO on up teen that get excited about an Android phone like they do an iPhone, maybe MS is looking at this as a "starter phone" that parents might be confortable getting for their kids?

Once they're buying their own, they might look at a full featured Windows 7 Phone vs an iPhone?
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can't likely be cheap
dave@... 12th Apr 2010
MS will want money for HW and for the OS... they won't sell a loss leader
without apps to also sell. Unless its pricey, not enough Flash Memory to
sell much Zune media content.

Android phones do the social network at least as good, run apps, and
may cost less. Kids may not think they're as cool as iPhone, but MS will
have a hard time, too, in that.

Maybe going for parental appeal -- feature phones cost less per month.
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This really sounds like a Samsung phone running Windows 7 OS, no different then an HTC running WinMobile?
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You have a line of HTC, Samsung, LG
Rama.NET 13th Apr 2010
Windows Mobile phones that are comparable with Android regarding price and have more apps with more open development environment including .NET CF, JME, Scripts and Embedded VB, VC++. Guess what, it has more social apps available than android.
--Ram--
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You don't know if android is cheaper until the pricing is released
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 13th Apr 2010
Chances are that these phones - especially Kin1 - will be considerably cheaper than an Android phone because the Kin is targeted at teenagers, but that too is conjecture.

How about we wait until the pricing is revealed before making pointless predictions?
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Hmm, a few things:
BlasterNT 13th Apr 2010
I doubt that this will be as expensive as a full
smartphone like Android. Then, it's a failure for
sure.

The point of this phone is that a lot of the storage
is off site. It'll support Zune Passes, which is $15
a month.

Aside from the Droid, Android is virtually unknown at
my school. iPhone is most definitely the most
popular, and pretty much only known smartphone.
However, most people have iPod touches anyways, so
they wouldn't buy an iPhone assuming they could even
afford one.

I hope that the monthly on this is going to be low...
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And one more...
BlasterNT 13th Apr 2010
4GB internal storage is quite a lot for a feature phone
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Well that's the thing
BlasterNT 13th Apr 2010
Oops, accidentally posted to story, not thread. This
is a repost

Sure, most teens would LOVE to have a true smartphone,
but the
question is the price. At my school, most people have
an iPod
touch, and a feature-phone. The sad part is, the
people who
can actually afford smartphones haven't a clue what to
do with
them (I saw a kid call his father and complain because
he
didn't know how to lock his nexus-one).

So the main thing is price. I'm assuming that this
thing will
be priced slightly higher than a normal feature phone,
where it
would look great for most teens. My friends think that
(the
KIN 2, at least) look fine, and they honestly don't
care that
it doesn't do IM. Of course, the more important thing
is
facebook chat...
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This particular device doesn't look like it's
meant to compete with Apple, Android, and RIM.
It's not a smart phone.

"They will sell a few if parents get them for
kids"

There are a lot of parents with kids, and that's
probably what this device is aimed at.
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I think you are overlooking something
Rama.NET 13th Apr 2010
I have seen kids with age of 7 or 8 using cellphones in US and 11 to 12 year aged txters. And I don't think anyone less than 20 to 22 wouldn't look for calendar, financial apps or something like. At that age most of the kids look for socialization with friends. If Sharp/Verizon/Microsoft can price it appropriately, I don't see any reason for its failure.
--Ram--
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Flash
jfoegen@... 12th Apr 2010
One thing I found interesting is their web site is using Flash, not Silverlight.
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No big deal
A.Sinic 12th Apr 2010
MS probably use the same 3rd party web design and content studios as everyone else, and many of those are still chained to Flash.
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'kin useless
whisperycat 12th Apr 2010
Classic Microsoft "Me Too, Only Broken".

Apple must be scared 'kin witless.
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Kin!=iPhone
Rama.NET Updated - 12th Apr 2010
They both serve different demographics.
--Ram--
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So it must be worthless or so we have recently been told by hordes of MS
worshipers.
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Wrong.. Nor does it matter.
Wolfie2K3 12th Apr 2010
There's a world of difference here. The Kin phone isn't being marketed as a be all, do all, revolutionary device that will save the world somehow. It's not billed as an e-book reader, nor as anything more than one stop social networking social networking interface.

And from what I've seen of it so far, it seems to actually deliver as promised. The proof will be in the pudding when it's released to the public. We'll see how well teens, tweens and the target market for this device like it then.

Does that make it worthless? No. Well... Maybe to you it might seem that way. But hey... I'll bet you're not part of the target demographic.

The problem with the iPad is that Apple over promised and under delivered. Oh.. It's got iWorks! Why, yes it does. Except the iPad versions mangle the crap out of your documents and presentations. It can't seem to stay connected to Wi fi properly. Yeah.. WTG Apple!

Epic iFAIL...
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Demographics and target matter now?
Bruizer 13th Apr 2010
But only when it is not an Apple product?

As SuperZealot would love to say...

Cue the double standards.
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That time Microsoft is going to release the smartphone with Windows Phone 7. Ok, now that could be comparable with iPhone and we can draw parallels and other funny stuff. Kin is a feature phone and not a smartphone. The only thing that is shared among Kin, Windows Mobile or upcoming Windows Phone 7, is Windows CE. We don't which version of Windows CE is powering Kin yet. We don't know much about Windows Phone 7. One thing for sure, this is powered by real Engine, aka, Windows CE.
--Ram--
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