How will Microsoft address the ARM-based tablet space?

By | December 21, 2010, 12:58pm PST

Bloomberg is reporting that Microsoft will announce at the upcoming Consumer Electronics Show (CES) a version of Windows that will work on ARM.

If I were a betting woman, I’d bet against my esteemed colleagues/competitors on this one. Instead, I would wager that Microsoft will announce a new version of Windows Embedded Compact that will work on ARM-based tablets.

I’m thinking this could happen for a few reasons:

* Windows Embedded Compact/Windows CE already runs on ARM

* Microsoft is close to releasing to manufacturing its Embedded Compact 7 version of that platform (It was supposed to RTM this year, but was delayed until Q1 2011.)

* Microsoft has been working to port Windows to ARM (as far back as with Vista, under project LongARM), but either couldn’t or wouldn’t release that port

Steven Guggenheimer, Microsoft’s OEM chief — who, in the past, has been a champion of Windows Embedded Compact tablets and slates — is slated to address Wall Street analysts on January 6, 2011, the day after Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s CES kick-off speech. Guggenheimer might be the guy to talk about Microsoft’s evolving Windows slate strategy, but I’m thinking, given his past speeches, he’s going to talk up Embedded Compact tablets.

Microsoft execs have been unclear, perhaps intentionally, perhaps not — about exactly what counts as a “Windows” tablet/slate. When Ballmer talked about Microsoft’s longer-range tablet/slate plans earlier this year, he showed a slide with 20+ Microsoft OEM tablet/slate partners. Many of those partners are in the business of providing Embedded Compact/CE mobile devices.

My understanding is Windows 7 slates and Windows Embedded Compact 7 slates won’t be able to run the same apps. Because both platforms will support Silverlight, there could be some cross-platform synergies. And who knows — maybe Microsoft will port the Metro/Media Center UI to Windows Compact Embedded. That would be the next-best thing to bringing the full Windows Phone OS to tablets or slates (something the Softies have said they currently are not planning to do).

But remember: Just because something is called a “Windows” tablet, even by Microsoft, may not necessarily mean it is running the same Windows OS that runs on PCs.

CES is just a couple of weeks away. It’ll be interesting to see what the Softies have to say about slates, regardless of which OS they are running.

Update: The Wall Street Journal also is saying a new version of Windows for tablets is coming but is a couple years away. That sounds, as Business Insider’s Matt Rosoff noted, like Windows 8. (Or maybe it will be more like a Windows 8 “Lite”?) If it is Windows 8, maybe the long journey involving porting Windows to ARM will finally culminate in a shipping product (albeit one that is timed to arrive in late 2012/early 2013).

In any event, Microsoft is not commenting on any reports about its CES plans….

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RE: How will Microsoft address the ARM-based tablet space?
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Who knows what will happen
Cylon Centurion 21st Dec 2010
But it will be fun to watch. I, too, hope to see the Metro UI running on a tablet device.
We know that Microsoft has not yet got an ARM-based OS that is fit for a tablet.

It can either bring out another Windows CE tablet, that has no apps, and will probably be missing features just like Windows Phone 7 is lacking basic functionality.

OR

Ballmer can do another embarrassing demonstration of a small slate running an ill-suited desktop OS, just like he did at last year's CES expo.

Either way, Microsoft has failed at tablets. It has no viable strategy to answer iPad or the successful Android slates.
@gyepera Never underestimate Microsoft. You don't have a clue as to the existence of a "viable strategy" or not.

Note all first release items including the first iPhone and Android were lacking stuff (e.g. iPhone cut and paste and multi-tasking)
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What Android slates?
Cylon Centurion 21st Dec 2010
@gyepera

Did I miss something?
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@Cylon Centurion 0005 - The Samsung Galaxy Tab is already running Android 2.2, soon to be updated to 2.3 (more tablet friendly), and has already sold millions of units.

Microsoft will have to compete against these already successful Android slates, yet Microsoft's mobile/tablet strategy so far is nonsensical. Microsoft's choice is to either run WinCE or shoehorn a desktop OS into a slate. Bad choices.
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then I have a book of pre-written 'M$ sucks because' posts"

Oh my, how original gyepera. (yawn)

Successful Android slates. ? I have yet to hear any glowing reviews for any slate running Android. I'm not saying that there never will be, but as of right now, take a look around and you can see they're not there yet.

Not even close.
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thats what i've been saying zerny boy
Ron Bergundy Updated - 22nd Dec 2010
android WILL kill Winblows and iOSuX but not until these vendors get there crap together and put out a tablet WORTHY of Android - NOT the crap thats out right now!!
@gyepera

"We know that Microsoft has not yet got an ARM-based OS that is fit for a tablet."

Tablets are weird things. Either they're scaled down from a full OS or they're scaled up from a phone OS. They can have ARM or Intel. In fact, Intel and Microsoft were on tablet PCs long before the iPad.

I don't think Microsoft or Intel are going to give up so easily. Seriously - they're huge corporations with vast resources, and they do have a history of succeeding even when the skeptics say they can't.

Microsoft got into netbooks and made the Xbox, even when skeptics claimed they "can't" compete.

Intel's atoms are in netbooks and the new ChromeOS internet things. You think ChromeOS is the future? Guess what, it's running on the x86 platform.

I'm pretty confident that both Microsoft and Intel are not giving up - that's not their style.
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RE: How will Microsoft address the ARM-based tablet space?
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 22nd Dec 2010
@gyepera and you would be put in the category of fools that underestimated MS. The list is long.
@gyepera
Don't be so sure! They, right now, have netbooks running on Win CE. They are not the fastest and/or strongest systems, but with a little tinkering one might be surprised. With Win 7 embedded compact, things could very quickly get very interesting. Stay tunned; should be fun!
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
It would be nice to see a WinMo7-style interface on a tablet, to combat Apple's iPad "monopoly." I worry that people will expect a MS Windows tablet to run MS Windows applications. I hope the users get that the OSes aren't compatible.
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Talk about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!

The idea of a Win Embedded Compact 7 on ARM running Metro and with apps within Silverlight is a very interesting one. That platform could have some real potential, and seems like a more organic fit for current Windows developers than WP7, or at least less of a stretch.
@matthew_maurice - why rely on the Win Embedded 7 kernel & core OS? The NT kernel has now been reduced to just 32KB on disk. Atop this kernel you have to add CoreOS components (some kernel-mode, some user-mode) to provide networking stack, graphics, etc., but there's no reason why MS can't do this and build a version of what you currently think of as "desktop" Windows for tablet/slate type devices.

It'd make more long-term sense for Microsoft to concentrate its efforts on one kernel and OS, customized for different platforms - handset, tablet, laptop, desktop, server.
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@bitcrazed It's not like MS hasn't had years to make a tablet with mass-market appeal using that approach. So the only reason they haven't are whatever reasons have stopped them so far.
A while back Scott Guthrie let slip that there will be a full .net managed programming model behind Silverlight Nativefor WinCE, the same one that WP7 uses im guessing. [http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2010/11/04/silverlight-questions.aspx]

What they haven't said is if xna will be available on WinCE, im hoping this too comes across.

Either or just Silverlight Managed is all that is needed to deliver an awesome OS for tablets. I'm hoping that MS deliver all this to tablet manufacturers, and that they help them implement these to the same standard as WP7 for those device manufacturers.

I've got my fingers crossed for a Silverlight/XNA CE tablet for CES .....
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XNA support
Joe_Raby 21st Dec 2010
@liquidboy

D3D is not part of Windows Embedded Compact 7 PCTP, and they have no intention of bringing it to the platform for the time being. DirectDraw and OpenGL ES 2.0 are supported though.

Doesn't XNA use D3D though? If so, XNA is out. Embedded Standard 7 would be a better target platform if XNA is required though, since XNA is just a subset API for desktop Windows and DX.
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If you took Windows7, removed all the pieces you didn't need on a slate, and recompiled it for ARM, I think you'd pretty much end up with Embedded Compact 7. Of course being ARM it won't run the same apps as an x86 slate running full W7 unless those apps are pure .NET and only leverage the subset of .NET that's common to both platforms, which would logically be Silverlight. So there you go. Very expected...
@Johnny Vegas

I think the problem is the current plain WinCE installation doesnt have of the usable apps/services/UI for a slate/tablet. May is MS is working on changing and provide the basic features in some 'tablet' flavour of WinCE. i.e. announce a tablet flavor of WinCE with basic apps+services+UI (similar to WP7) that OEMS can load as-it-is (or) add more services.
@Johnny Vegas. This is way more complicated than just re-compiling. Not only is a port involved but you have all the hardware driver stuff to deal with. Security is different.
I've built commercial apps for W32/W64 for x86, x64, MIPS, ALPHA, PPC, and Itanium. MS has the whole hardware abstraction layer (HAL) down very well. It very largely is "recompiling", with a very small, very well defined, very well isolated chunk of platform specifics and drivers. I think the only thing that has kept them from releasing an ARM version to date is they realize when they do they are at app parity with the competition, their huge legacy code base of millions of x86 apps that is their advantage on x86 is gone. And office not the least of them. I'm sure they're kicking themselves for not making office over on .NET with a small native chunk of perf sensitive code. As they already have shipped Silverlight running on ARM they clearly have ARM jiting support and all .NET apps will run.
@Johnny Vegas - the architecture of NT and CE kernels are very different. What you say, however, is pretty much where I believe Microsoft will be moving long-term.
I still bet that some form of Windows 8 will run on ARM. May be there will closer ties between WinCE Next and Win8. Which will make them co-function more seamlessly including apps and services. It might already be possible on WinCE to some extent, but most of it is left for OEMs to provide. May be MS will stand-up and do it themselves making WinCE Next more usable in its RTM state.
Mary,

In your third to last paragraph, did you mean "will" run the apps rather than "not"? Also, do you think Windows Embedded Handheld OS might fit in here too?
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Mary Jo Foley 21st Dec 2010
Hi. No, I meant I doubt an Embedded Compact tablet could run Windows apps (other than a subset as a poster above explained). Embedded Handheld: I kind of think of that as a dead-end platform....A last gasp for Win Mobile. But maybe there will be a surprise...MJ
@Mary Jo Foley Seems like it would be smart to consolidate the Handheld device market that runs Win Mobile today into the same Embedded Compact OS that will run the slate devices. Sure many won't like the need to re-write Win Mobile apps into Silverlight, but I think it beats continuing down the dead end path the Embedded Handheld OS seems to be going.
I sincerely hope any Windows Slate will be more akin (no pun intended) to WP7 than Windows 7. I've posted here many times that as a Windows Slate really has to be touch-centric then apps should be developed specifically for this kind of user experience. Windows PC can be touch optimised as much as you like but PC apps just won't get updated soon enough (is Office "15" going to be a touch UI? I very much doubt it) and consumers just won't understand. PC apps for PCs and touch-centric apps served via the Marketplace for Windows Slates, Phones.
Additionally, I see no reason why these apps couldn't be offered to Windows PCs (and even Xbox 360) users via the Marketplace but at least consumers would be aware that the app is touch-centric.
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@spc1972 Sure, anything which allows native apps will be "legacy" more and more. Today, CLR/XAML/WPF/SL is the abstract platform. It doesnt matter what CPU will be under cover... New WinCE6 kernel is far closer to desktop one than WinCE5 and olders. WinCE from v1.0 targeted not only ARM, but X86, MIPS, SH3, only WinCE3 based PocketPC was standardized to ARM as best choice, due to native apps portability - no more multiple builds for all processors. With CLR, processor is not again important, with XAML/WPF/SL GPU is not important also, at least in theory. Until WinCE6, there was only 32MB per process, max 32 processes running at all, no real virtual memory/pagefile. But since CE1.0, kernel is cleaned from old win16/32 desktop backward compatibility crap, it is pure-unicode, no more ANSI APIs, there is far simpler (more unix like) drivers and services model, it is hard-realtime, etc etc... IMHO, MS will never release any public native APIs, only to trusted largest drivers/services/components vendors. But we need mobile Silverlight version more aligned with desktop one, so SL4 in WP7 ASAP (copy/paste?).
By missing every opportunity out there.
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But you never do
John Zern 22nd Dec 2010
eh, @james347?
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MS tablets - an uphill battle
daniel.pereznet 21st Dec 2010
What ever Microsoft does it should be a
1.6 ghz cpu, 16-64 GB flash storage, instant-on, 4g device
it will need front and rear facing cameras
and a familiar or no-learning-curve UI,
with a touch screen and long battery life

whatever apps it runs had better
fully support Exchange, Office365, Sharepoint, Azure apps
it will have to run Flash, as we well as Java Script apps
and it will need to an fully-functional HTML 5 browser

And it should be fully compatible with everything written for Windows Phone 7 devices

If they can pull all that off .....

Then they will have earned their spot in the modern world
inch ipad and using it as a camera? Front facing for video calls I'll buy. Read facing, not so much... I stick with my phone camera...
@Johnny Vegas
I agree with you when considering still photos. The only reason I can think of for a rear facing camera on an iPad (or any tablet for that matter) is for Facetime/video conference where the user wanted to show the person they are conferencing with what they are looking at. It's probably easier to hit the flip camera button than turning the entire device around and then not knowing if you have framed what you are looking at properly.

Granted, I can't imagine how many times this particular issue pops up, but it at least has a plausible reason for being.
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The article and comments leave out a few key items; Microsoft's July ARM architectural license, the company's successful foray into chip work for XBox 360, the various teams in Microsoft Research, and a fairly sharp eye for technology acquisitions with PrimeSense being one of the more recent. Microsoft seems to have a very deliberate, long-term strategy in place for mobile technology and the public is just now seeing the initial execution of that strategy. While the general public may not think much of Microsoft in that space, you can bet their competitors' attitudes aren't nearly so dismissive.
@studiogp

"While the general public may not think much of Microsoft in that space, you can bet their competitors' attitudes aren't nearly so dismissive."

Agreed. If there's one thing that Microsoft has proven, it's that the critics who want them to die almost always end up being wrong. They really are not to be underestimated.
Remember that Silverlight for Windoes CE is not real Silverlight.

Also, Media Center UI was written using the Media Center UI framework (same as the Zune desktop). This was .NET based built on top of DirectX. Not Silverlight or WPF. A port to Windows CE would be difficult (but not impossible).

Much more likely would be that Windows 8 would see better convergence between CE and regular Windows. Both supporting the same Silverlight based API and HTML5 browser. CE built more as an instant on, consumer focused device. Windows 8 built more for IT shops.

I would also bet that a common app store would bring these two platforms together, along with XBOX and WP7.

If all this is two years away then MS need an answer for Windows 7 now - especially need to leverage interest in the WP7 app store.
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@joeyw72 As current big fan of VirtualBox, I hope new Win8 will be more and more primarily "seamless virtualization manager"; I was VERY surprised to see even old XP yamaha softsynth driver(!) installable in totally new Win7 audio subsystem through WindowsXP Mode, without any notice of virtual environment running to allow this. Imagine even seamless linux/X apps running on one desktop together with Win32/WPF ones happy, glued by such "new OS approach" to abstract differences...
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MS needs to be address the Tablet market now
daniel.pereznet 21st Dec 2010
MS needs to be address the Tablet market - NOW

release by Summer 2011 at the latest
Thats even worst than people saying the smartphone market is over. Microsoft has been "late" to the game in gui's, word processing, spreadsheets, databases, browsers, search, game consoles, netbooks, etc., etc., etc. It's laughable how people always assume a few years into the game that it's too late for someone to come in and shake the market up. Microsoft is one of if not the most successful at doing it.
they will completely dominate it. And in 3-5 years, it will be MS and Android tablets. If you want a mp3 player, you might give Apple a look.
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RE: How will Microsoft address the ARM-based tablet space?
daniel.pereznet Updated - 21st Dec 2010
@SonofaSailor

If you had made your statement 3-5 years ago I would probably have agreed - but many, many things have changed

Yes, Microsoft still dominates in the Enterprise market but the growth is not with workstations or user-end systems. In the Enterprise market the growth is on the server end, in the data center and server rooms- where there is a lot competition from others - like Oracle, RedHat, and many others.

Besides, 3-5 years is a very very long time in the tech industry. I would not try to predict anything beyond the end of 2011.

If MS does anything with tablets, it needs be in 2011
@SonofaSailor

MS is way too late to the party. This is not the eighties when DOS / Windows was the only OS on a new consumer product called Personal Computer. Now, the new product is Wireless Devices and Apple/Android rule that space...

MS has missed the boat big time.
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Eduardo_z 21st Dec 2010
If Microsoft ports Windows 8 to ARM, it would be because it doubts Intel's prediction that with medfield, atom will finally catch up with ARM in thrifty power consumption.
Shame on ZDNet...Every article lately praises how Windows Phone 7 might give you "cut and paste" in the next update, Windows 8 might support ARM, Microsoft might sell 1.5 million phones if everyone buys one, and you might be able to multi-task with certain supported applications. It might be HTML5 compliant, it could support Silverlight...but RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T and nobody knows for sure if it will. It's typical MS hype and if any other company was pushing "puppies and rainbows" on the American consumer to the degree MS has they certainly would not be getting this kind of coverage, blind anticipation, and praise.
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hey, Socratesfoot?

Oops, I wasn't supposed to remind people of that. Did I just mess up you diss of MS? devil
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Another too little too late?
rynning 22nd Dec 2010
Once again, Microsoft is following Apple (and Google) in its decision to run a "mainstream" OS on ARM. Those companies realized Intel wasn't going to cut it in the mobile arena at least 4 or 5 years ago. That stated, it should be the right thing to do.

But...

Can they make the CPU transition as smoothly as Apple has done before? Will Windows (which has always relied on Intel to produce a hefty x86 to support it) perform on a ARM-based CPU? And will anyone care by the time they do it?
@rynning

"Can they make the CPU transition as smoothly as Apple has done before?"

The Apple transition went smoothly?

I think it's likely Microsoft will try to use their latest phone OS, which would be easier to port to ARM than a desktop OS.

"And will anyone care by the time they do it?"

Will anyone NOT care by the time they do it? Seriously, this is Microsoft. This isn't a single employee company that may disappear overnight, despite any dreams you may have that they may become one.
@CobraA1

Of course they aren't going away any time soon, but they are becoming less relevant, especially in the mobile space. That's a fact, not a dream. If they want to regain relevancy with mobile they need to fire Balmer and do something that's truly innovative and compelling, not catch-up. Windows Phone has some innovative components; it remains to be seen if they are compelling. So far it appears not...
Right, Microsoft dying or becoming "less relevant" has been a "fact" for a looong time. I categorize that as "I'll believe it when I see it, thanks."
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