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Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops

By | July 25, 2008, 7:50am PDT

Summary: Microsoft has internally released to manufacturing the version of Windows XP that it has tweaked to run on the One Laptop Per Child XO computer.

Microsoft has internally released to manufacturing the version of Windows XP that it has tweaked to run on the One Laptop Per Child XO computer.

As James Utzschneider, General Manager of Marketing and Communications for the Unlimited Potential Group, announced on his blog on July 24:

“Windows on the XO looks like it is on track for availability in these types of national educational PC deals in September. We still have no plans to make Windows available for individuals who bought an XO in the Give 1 Get 1 program though.”

The “national educational PC deal” to which Utzschneider seemingly is referring is a deal between Intel and Mexican business magnate Carlos Slim to provide 50,000 Intel Classmate Netbooks running Windows and Office to poor students in Mexico.

Microsoft didn’t officially acknowledge that the company was working on a port of XP for the OLPC laptop until May 2008. Prior to that time, however, OLPC officials had said that such a port was in the works. Microsoft, for its part, continued to say it was testing whether it could get XP to run properly on XOs.

On May 15, Microsoft and the OLPC announced they were going to deliver Windows on XO machines, which previously were slated to run Linux only. That announcement led to complaints by Linux backers and resignations of some OLPC officials.

Back in May, Microsoft and the OLPC said to expect the offering to be released to manufacturing in August or September and to be available initially only in “emerging market countries where governments or non-governmental organizations (NGOs) are subsidizing the purchase of a large number of PCs for students.” The pair noted at that time there was a “possibility of making this (XO on OLPC) available for other customers through a broader set of channels at a later point in time.”

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RE: Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
homeioy54-24353619501360854691778116257099 11th Nov
nlvbko,good post!
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just think
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 25th Jul 2008
now instead of being stuck in a little puddle they can go out there and swim in the ocean of windows applications like the rest of us - a zillion kids just smiled


linuxhelp.net:~# apt-get install mozilla-firefox
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
libatk1.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libidl0 libpango1.0-0
libpango1.0-common libxcursor1 libxft2
Suggested packages:
ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk
ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
ttf-arphic-bkai00mp mozilla-firefox-gnome-support latex-xft-fonts
xprt-xprintorg
Recommended packages:
libatk1.0-data x-ttcidfont-conf
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libatk1.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libidl0 libpango1.0-0
libpango1.0-common libxcursor1 libxft2 mozilla-firefox
0 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
Need to get 14.9MB of archives.
After unpacking 43.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
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true in the flat earth's flat ocean
kpthottam@... 25th Jul 2008
I guess flat earth technology is good enough for the under privileged
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Your email highlights the issue
croberts 25th Jul 2008
It's like listing off DLL names to Sally Secretary.

People see a listing sample like yours, and their eyes glaze over. YOu are not doing Linux any favors.

The command should really work like this:

:apt-get install mozilla-firefox

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Installation will require 43.1 MB.
Continue [Y/n] Y
Installing Supplimentary Packages... Done
Initializing default configuration... Done
Installation to /...... succeeded.
An icon has been placed on your desktop.
A detailed install log is located at /.....
Installation complete.



Why is it so difficult for the Linux community to make something designed for the end-user instead of for the basement geek who is gleefully watching his screen to see the latest libxcursor library get installed?

It's not complicated stuff increase Linux market share.
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No, it doesn't highlight any issue
NonZealot Updated - 25th Jul 2008
Why is it so difficult for the Linux community to make something designed for the end-user instead of for the basement geek who is gleefully watching his screen to see the latest libxcursor library get installed?

I'm not sure why you would see his post and believe that there is no GUI alternative and that the GUI method wouldn't be the default. 99% of app installs are done with an easy to use GUI, easier than Windows, easier than OS X.
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It would help...
storm14k 25th Jul 2008
...if some of you actually used Linux before talking about it. First off cares what the CLI says after you start it because once you agree you can go do something else...it runs on its own. Second for those of you that hate to see the CLI why do you not use the very simple GUI thats right there in the Applications menu?

Oh you've actually never done either? Now I understand.
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Linux User 147560 Updated - 26th Jul 2008
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I use synaptic BTW
eggmanbubbagee@... 25th Jul 2008
I admit a little tomfuddery in my initial post (which was in response to another post which seems to be deleted). Yes, if your desired app is in the package you are OK. Heaven help you if not. At least I didn't show someone fumbling around with whether the command was app get, apt get apt-get and if they had to first type su or is it sudo, I can never remember

There was no help in the package manager for getting my monitor to run in native rez though, that took hours of searching the net.
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What does this have to do...
AndyCee 27th Jul 2008
...with Sugar? Have you ever used it? Do the words "pre-configured" mean anything to you?
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Poor kids...
gtdworak 25th Jul 2008
God bless them when they get a virus, malware, trojan or spyware infection. Too bad they couldn't have gotten a Mac instead. If they had, they would have at least gotten something that was stable, easy and impervious to the vulnerabilities inherent with Windows. And if Apple threw in iWork '08, the kids would have been able to do some very cool things. Poor kids, poor poor little kids.
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Thanks for the bit of humor ....sorely needed here
xuniL_z 25th Jul 2008
Hey, you forgot there was more. If they got the apple they could use bootcamp or get parallels and load XP and Vista like the rest of the mac world. Yeah...yeah and they could keep osx just in case they decide to go into desktop publishing someday or want to edit their tons of video these kids have surely been shooting all this time.

then, when it overheats and explodes into fire, they can cook their dinner over it....
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as if
eggmanbubbagee@... 25th Jul 2008
Steve would sell his precious OS for a nominal fee for use on equipment he didn't build and sell for an obscene margin - yea, right
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Wanna make this poor kids even poorer ?
timiteh 26th Jul 2008
"Too bad they couldn't have gotten a Mac instead"

And how them or their governement would manage to buy Mac ?
Do you really think that sir Jobs will enable its precious Mac OS X to run on cheaper/other hardware than Mac and risk to degrade the "Mac experience" ?

For the aimed target, i think that Linux loaded netbooks/OLPC are the best solutions.
Neither is Windows loaded netbooks/OLPC or Mac.
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Yea, the mac is silly for them, but MS will practically give them windows
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 27th Jul 2008
At a price commensurate with what they can pay. Just like the hardware it will run on. And Windows is already the OS of choice in pretty much every part of the world outside of silicon valley, particularly in the parts of the world in question where it IS the computer - this is what they know and want and the fact that giving them a choice to have it or not is going to ruin the utopic dreams of growing open source and crushing MS is irrelevant to THEM.
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XP never dies ? is this MS's way of never killing XP
kpthottam@... 25th Jul 2008
Well the world seems to be flat with XP being MS's OS contribution to the OLPC project.

Wonder how the average Joe at home who is struggling with high prices will view a cheap laptop with XP vs a chunky machine with Vista?

I see the explosion of UMPC with XP and linux in the consumer section.

Microsoft's Flat earth ad will be great to watch but will not translate into actual sales in the market place.
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OLPC users..
Jeremy W 25th Jul 2008
are Vistaster "upgrade" candidates.

It will be a hardware bonanza!

Then there will be anti-virus, anti-spyware and, don't
forget, anti-crapware/bloatware opportunities.

What MSFT has not been able to put over on more
sophisticated users, it will attempt to put over on
Indians, Brazilians, Chadians, etc.

This opens up almost limitless opportunities to spread
mediocrity around the world.

Of course, when they understand how bad Redmond
Bloatware is, they will look around for something
better.

In a sense, XP on OLPC is the farm team for Mac.
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That was a very tasteless and bigoted remark!!
xuniL_z 25th Jul 2008
What MSFT has not been able to put over on more
sophisticated users, it will attempt to put over on
Indians, Brazilians, Chadians, etc.



What a jerk you are man. Go away and don't come back
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farm team for mac?
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 26th Jul 2008
right, since the mac does so well outside the borders of the reality distortion field, where it has what, less than 2% share (or is it less than 1% out there?), XP already rules outside the US so putting it on OLPC is what they WANT and NEED! and what will insure MS dominance over the rest of the connected world and the new markets emerging, this way they have choice, Linux and Mac users like choice don't they?
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huh?
xuniL_z 27th Jul 2008
i found his remark bigoted and elitist as he claimed all current countries using windows are more sophisticated than those he named.


Sure there are those in developing nations that may not have been fortunate enough for a formal education but that is true for millions of Americans.


I found his remarks very offensive and for such an ultra liberal site, I can't imagine most didn't find it at the least politically incorrect and let him know so.


This guy simply thinks since he's found Microsoft not to his liking (note he admits it took him 9 tries....nowadays it's 11...to come to such as conclusion. He's obviously never heard "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. ) and he has license to fill every blog with his garbage that is sickening to everyone. He notes Zune, windows mobile (which still rules the mobile market) and a few other MS products as failures, but he never seems to note the Pippen (sold 40K worldwide and apple sold it for 6 years, cyberdog, the 2005 collaboration with motorola on their first phone that failed miserably..etc etc....or that MS provided Apple with it's development environments for 10 years and it's popular office suites to this day.


He loves to make windows and office as what everything is "tied to", as if subway doesn't tie everything to it's subs or halliburton everything to oil processing or Bayer to aspirin or Apple to the Mac and iPod or Linux to just a *kernel* or OSS to just a different business model that produces as many software failures as any proprietary vendor.


He ignores reality when it comes to his obsession and I've seen many others make posts about how he is filling these blogs full or garbage and he needs to just go away.
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Sorry to disagree but..
Jeremy W 26th Jul 2008
there are poor unsuspecting Congolese and Gabonese
who are considered ripe for Redmond Bloat and "Wow!"

No doubt there are "marketing managers" right now
thinking about how they can foist false, deceptive and
deceitful advertising on these people to separate them
from their money and send then BSODs, viruses and
spyware.

If you doubt this, you should read the Discovery in the
Seattle PI related to the Vista Class Action Lawsuit.

It is clear that Redmond knew that its OS was junk and
would cause harm to users but, you gotta make you
quarterly sales numbers so ship out the ****!

If the Redmond rat trap could do it in the USA, Europe,
Japan. etc. do you doubt that it will not be able to foist
its trash ware on unsuspecting Chadians?

The developing world is, no doubt, considered ripe for
the plundering by MSFT - a market unbloated and
unplundered!
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You'll ALLWAYS happily disagree
AllKnowingAllSeeing 27th Jul 2008
when people choose Windows over anything else.

Propally cause you're so much smarter then all those Brazilians and what not. wink

Truth be known, you're still a joke, JW
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Not for human consumption
Ole Man 26th Jul 2008
Stick to your tasty grass and hay with the other sheeple.
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This from the man who vehemently claims
xuniL_z 27th Jul 2008
he doesn't make insulting blogs, especially to 90% of the world's population, the heaviest concentrations in the EU (Europeans, real european people not their monarchy on law of a small number of aristocrats, just LOVE Windows.


His posts are always nothing more than a reflection of jealousy and apparently as a young man was beaten up by Bill Gates, the most giving man in the history of IT ownership.
Not just his money, but his time and efforts which shows sincerity.


Bottom line is he cries for Competition (yet Linux distros won't advertise and compete for minshare, they would rather cry and blame everything on MS since w/o that they have nothing...their lives are empty holes of dispair)


But then OLPC comes along and competition arises and he *cries* about that.


You cannot placate a whiner like him. If everyone does not think as he thinks, do as he does and say what he says, then he declares them losers and worse. Would someone please call a doctor...a psychiatrist and give this man some help???

It's obvious he's crying out for it daily.
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Old man having an attack of extreme jealousy.. OLPC abandoning Linux hurts.
transposeIT 27th Jul 2008
Just shows you how inferior your beloved OS is. Can't even compete in the less fortunte nations. How can it ever compete in the bigger arena.

Stick to your leftovers with the other losers.
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RE: Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
systemx 25th Jul 2008
Don't you love how Monkeysoft stepped in and derailed the
original plans of a laptop with a version of Linux.

No! (gasp!) we can't have Linux in the free world. These kids
need to suffer even more with a a half-baked version of
windows.

This sickens me.
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XP is a great OS, I won't deny it
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 25th Jul 2008
Vista 64 is running pretty sweet here on a C2d and 8 gig. Hey, the machine marches on, ride the wave, - different tool for different job

(sorry. meant to be a reply to 'just think')
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Linux=20 virtual desktops, XP=1
Don Collins 25th Jul 2008
I fail to understand how you characterize an OS with only 1 virtual desktop as a great OS. Most good Linux distros have 20, and Mac has Spaces which seem to be the same thing. Even Vista still has only 1 virtual desktop.

Why do M$ find it so difficult to bake in multiple desktops? How hard can it be?

ASUS EeePC is flying off the shelves with Linux (a fairly dumbed-down version of Linux) - grandma can use an Eee, no problem.
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I'm not following your logic
Michael Kelly 25th Jul 2008
If we are basing OS quality on number of virtual desktops then explain why the EeePC is flying off shelves when it only has one.

I think MS just doesn't think the public is all that interested in virtual desktops, so they include it in their PowerToys.
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virtual desktops? Nice I guess
eggmanbubbagee@... 25th Jul 2008
I have the cube installed on Vista but I really don't need it. Perhaps on a small screen more desks would be nice. They have that on the Eee?
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Linux User 147560 25th Jul 2008
Virtual desktops are awesome. Especially when you are like many Linux users that multi-task a lot. I use 4 virtual desktops as a norm.

Desktop 1 : E-Mail, Calendaring App, Notes (an digital yellow sticky note pad on my desktop...)

Desktop 2 : Databases (generally 3-4 at a time), Firefox (4-12 tabs), Gambas2

Desktop 3 : Writer docs (3-21)

Desktop 4 : Calc sheets (3-15), KRDC (to control / access the only two Windows based apps I need for my job)

So having multiple desktops is great when you want to multi task and leave task bars uncluttered or if you want to separate your work loads. I know one guy that has his desktops set up based on the time of day. So it adds a whole new level of flexibility to your resources. devil
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2 Points
cornpie 25th Jul 2008
Point 1. If you look at the specs on these machines (http://www.classmatepc.com/) I think you will agree that not too many people are going to be doing a lot of multitasking on them. The hardware just isn't up to it on any OS. Speaking of which...

Point 2: You do get a choice you know. From the same URL above, in the specs, for OS it says: "Windows XP* Professional / Linux". Unfortunately I can't see where it says what distro. Am I missing that part? But the point is you do get a choice.
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Linux User 147560 25th Jul 2008
My reply was to his question about multiple virtual desktops. devil
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Linux's virtual desktops are nice
T1Oracle 25th Jul 2008
I've tried them in XP and it wasn't anywhere near as nice as the default in GNOME or KDE. I can switch desktops with the mouse wheel in KDE.
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So today virtual desktops are the metric by which
xuniL_z 25th Jul 2008
we shall, dogmatically declare all linux distros better than windows.


Virtual desktops for windows are available. It's one of the power toys for xp. Don't be talking about baked in and Linux in the same breath either...or why can't any distro seem to include a very high end media center to their OS like SP had and now Vista which is another level more grand.


Did it ever occur to you that other ppl don't use a PC like you, or think like you or act like you? is that so inconceivable to Linux megalomaniacs? (not you personally sir...at least not necessarily), but far too many.
They stand to defend Linux at every mention of it, as though they are guarding the the tomb of the unknown soldier and try to declare moral and intellectual highground, then the nex thing you know they are at every windows blog to make sure they put in their .02 about how disgusting and vile that windows OS is....it's been like most of their lives now for many of them.....isn't that incredibly sad?? Am I the only one that understands that Linux has many shortcomings and can be owned in no time if not regularly patched like Windows? I've read the stories. I get the vuln alerts, why treat everyone as though they are ignorant trying to paint Linux as "better". It's *not* better. Nothing can be said to be *better* unless defined by need.


Would you say a Ferrari (pick any model) is superior to a 1996 Ford F-250? Surely the Ford doesn't have the stability on the road and is a rollover hazzard in comparison. It looks worse, runs worse (most likely) and has far fewer safety features.

Now what if one hauls bricks and dirt and stones and does landscaping for a living, Is the ferrari better then? See, I gave an example where the Ford is Linux...does a certain few things very well and windows is the Ferrari and much nicer to drive, gets you where you are going to get other kinds of work done.

How long must we suffer the whining and crying about windows? I personally have created or helped create or have witnessed some of the most elegant solutions that havet the aim of streamlining and making better, patient care, than I have ever seen elsewhere on Windows and the clinical staff could not be more pleased in every case. I've also witnessed some 3rd party solutions that were clunky, hard to use and had horrible interfaces form *x solutions.
I worked with *x for 10 years at 12 hours per day....conservatively speaking, so I understand the 2 models very well.


Hell, windows must be great cause linux vendors can't stop using their ideas...

Samba

mono

wine

Vixta

etc etc
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RE: Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
Loverock Davidson 25th Jul 2008
Now maybe the OLPC will actually be usable. Having Microsoft Windows XP on the OLPC does bring many advantages. The first and foremost is it being compatible with the rest of the world. Now if kids in isolated parts of their country want to share documents and photos they can. Microsoft Windows XP will open up the communications channels between kids all over the world. This is a really great initiative that Microsoft took on. Lets just hope the OLPC organization doesn't screw it up like they did previously.
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And No One Gives A Rip About Your Comments
itanalyst2@... 25th Jul 2008
Run along Loverock "Spam Man" Davidson.
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he's here for entertainment purposes only...
mrdt 25th Jul 2008
also, if Linux was such garbage as he would try to lead everyone into believing; then why is MS doing everything possible to stop the spread of it's use?
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How Companies Make Money
mikefarinha 25th Jul 2008
Ummm... Microsoft doesn't want to stop the spread of Linux as much as it wants to increase the spread of Windows. The more copies of Windows sold the more money Microsoft makes... that's how companies make money.

That fact doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Linux is 'such garbage.'
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Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
MikeyTheUnderdog 25th Jul 2008
I was hoping this project would help with impoverished areas. I have friends around the world who are trying to help educate children and I thought this project was going to help. Now I'm not so sure. As a MS Network Admin/Linux tinkerer, I saw the open source side as a way to achieve what OLPC set out to do. However with MS coming into the mix (don't get me wrong MS has some good products including XP), I see this as a way to leverage XP out of the door commercially and try to suck the 3rd world into a marketing scheme instead of giving them what they need. I just don't think XP is what they need.
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this world is already using XP
eggmanbubbagee@... 25th Jul 2008
At less or *cough* no *cough* cost. So little will change except the little PCs will be running what the bigger ones do and if MS can manage to eek some profit out of them it won't be much. Obviously this is a way for MS to keep Linux from getting in the back door but that is not necessarily a bad thing. I can see how this would surely irk open source/Linux advocates and their hopes for growing their model. I can see it from both sides.
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Guessing that you haven't used YaST from Suse
kpthottam@... 25th Jul 2008
I have been using Suse linux for over a year and have never used apt-get. The myth that linux doesn't have GUI interfaces that are great is standard MS FUD.

May be the next Vista ad will show an error log from Linux and then hope to convince the public that their's is the only OS which allows the use of the mouse.
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no, have not tired YaST
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 25th Jul 2008
On Ubuntu you don't need apt-get either, so long as the app is in the package manager. So yes, a little FUD maybe. But you wouldn't believe what I had to go through to get native rez out of my 24", later versions fixed this, but still, there is no arguing that Linux is user friendly for beginners if they decide to leave the wading pool and start adding stuff.
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RE: Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
xp-client 25th Jul 2008
So does this "fall below" XP Starter or sit above it?
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I have one serious question, asked it a long time ago.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 25th Jul 2008
AV on these machines is a non starter. I would like to know how MS has hardened the OS against viruses, malware and trojans. If the offering is not hardened, all we have is a cheap and effective botnet being delivered to the people least able to combat it.

If it is hardened, and virus/malware protected, then I will give MS it's kudos.

TripleII
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pretty sure av nicely runs on Eee pc
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 25th Jul 2008
are the others different? wait didn't I read that the memory was bumped up on OLPCs running xp?
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The OLPC makes the Eee look like a gaming machine.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 26th Jul 2008
The specs are so incredibly modest. I had read though that AV does hinder the Eee, surprisingly though, the free ones the least.

Regardless, these are for kids, and appliances. It needs to be hardened since a 6 year old simply can't/wont be able to keep it up to date, even if they knew how to.

TripleII
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What has linux distros involved n project done to harden their OSes?
xuniL_z 25th Jul 2008
First of all the things you mention are a justice department matter. That is clear and it needs to be rectified.


I think that children in developing countries have more serious threats in life.


I don't know what they may have done...what has the linux community done to further harden for a possible larger than ever market? Just continue on thinking it's safe because it's not targeted? I suppose OSX would be a better choice as well since it's users go beyond Linux users and have declared it absolutely inpenetrable...and if anyone does penetrate it, they will soon be sorry...apple death squads would be deployed to take care of things and then the spin machine can come in and declare nothing was actually exploited...Apple happened to do a routine code review and had sealed the problem before it could be proven. wink
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Linux User 147560 25th Jul 2008
SElinux
AppArmor
Clearly defined user space
UNIX base security module
Modular design

Need more? devil
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vserver
cabdriverjim 26th Jul 2008
XO's Linux system uses vServer to sandbox each application.

I think its a valid point, too. What HAS Microsoft done to harden XP on the XO? The XO's Linux system is fairly well hardened against outside attack in a variety of ways (which actually work instead of just look nice on paper).
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RE: Microsoft finalizes Windows XP for OLPC laptops
homeioy54-24353619501360854691778116257099 11th Nov
nlvbko,good post!

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