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Microsoft finally unveils its answer to Google Docs

By | September 30, 2007, 9:02pm PDT

After months of speculation about what it would do to stave off potential encroachments on its Office turf by Google Docs & Spreadsheets, Microsoft has spelled out its strategy: Office Live Workspace.

Microsoft unveils its answer to Google DocsOffice Live Workspace is, in Microsoft’s words, “a new web-based feature of Microsoft Office which lets people access their documents online and share their work with others.” It’s aimed at consumers and small-business users, not corporations who are interested in being able to access their documents anywhere — from any computer and any browser. In other words, Microsoft isn’t playing up Office Live Workspace as a head-to-head competitor with Google Apps Premier Edition (GAPE). Microsoft is positioning its Microsoft-hosted SharePoint, Exchange and Office Communications Services (which it has now rebranded with as its family of “Office Online” services) as its GAPE competitors.

Microsoft is taking sign-ups from those interested in beta testing the English-language version of Office Live Workspace starting October 1. The actual invitation-only beta isn’t likely to launch for another month, according to Rajesh Jha, Corporate Vice President, Microsoft Office Live. The beta and the final versions of the service (at least for saving/accessing up to 1,000 documents) will be free, the Softies said. No word on how much, if anything, Microsoft plans to charge once users have more than 1,000 Word, Excel and PowerPoint files they want to store online.

Office Live Workspace is not a hosted version of Microsoft Office. Instead, it is — like the rest of the Office Live family — an extension to the client-based version of desktop productivity software. Interestingly, Office Live Workspace isn’t just an extension to Microsoft Office 2007, but also third-party-developed office programs like OpenOffice, StarOffice and more, as well as Office XP, according to Jha. However, as you might expect, Office 2007 will work best with the new Live Workspace feature (other third-party and older Microsoft software won’t “light up” the same way, Jha said).

(Microsoft officials told me about Office Live Workspace under embargo late last week, but didn’t have any screen shots or sample version to show. So I am explaining all this based on a 30-minute phone conversation with Jha.)

Office Live Workspace is a password-protected SharePoint workspace, hosted by Microsoft. It’s a place users can store and access documents for “work, school and home,” Microsoft explained. Users will be able to e-mail drafts of these Web-based documents to multiple people. Those without a desktop version of productivity software handy will still be able to view and comment on stored documents via a browser.

Microsoft is positioning Groove (finally — a real, understandable use for the technology developed by Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie’s former company and aquired by Microsoft a couple years ago!) as the way that users will be able to access documents in their workspaces when they are off-line, Jha said.

“Groove will be the way you take any Workspace offline,” Jha said.

Microsoft is planning to rely on the same back-end infrastructure for Office Live Workspace as it does for Windows Live. Microsoft plans to share the same contact lists and calendar entries between Windows Live and Office Live Workspace, Jha said. And Tahiti — a k a Microsoft Shared View, a real-time collaboration service which Microsoft began beta testing earlier this ear — also will be integrated, over time, with Office Live Workspace, Jha said.

Jha deflected questions about when Microsoft plans to field the final release of Office Live Workspace and/or the Groove component of it. How and when, exactly, will Microsoft add support for third-party desktop offerings? Not sure. And what about users who don’t want the desktop office-product anchor around their necks at all — those who want to create documents on the Web, not on their PCs? Microsoft seems to have decided to ignore that segment all together….

Right now, there are lots more questions than answers about Microsoft’s planned Google Docs competitor. But at least Microsoft has acknowledged it has an alternative in the wings for the home/small-business set who want this kind of functionality.

From what little information is known so far, what do you think? Is Office Live Workspace a real competitor to Google Docs? If not, what’s missing?

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RE: Microsoft finally unveils its answer to Google Docs
makrejktt2201-24353662080873395391113538372983 12th Nov
auqpmc,good post!
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Interesting...
mario.albertico 30th Sep 2007
Just signed up for the Beta and can't wait.
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pointless?
benitodarder 1st Oct 2007
hmmm... what's the point of having a web-based office suite, if still i've to install the desktop version? and if it's not installed why i have to be restricted to a read-only version of the document?

If i have the desktop version i'll not be bothered to connect to internet, log in, and start to work; i will simply double click on the icon on my desktop.

this sort of 'features' reminds me one sentence of bofh: "when non it people makes it decisions"
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Think past your bias
justthinking 1st Oct 2007
Scenario 1:

Working at the office, you create an Excel spreadsheet and save it to your Office Online site...all within Excel as naturally as you would to your hard drive. You hop on the train home and remember a change you wanted to make...you access the file from your Windows Mobile smartphone and add the formula change. Once you get home you fire up your home desktop and open the file, that's out in the cloud, and work on it including the change you made on the train (that was version-ed by the way...in case you need to back out of it).

Scenario 2:

You are a small company (20 employees) and most are traveling sales guys spread out over the US. The product you sell is fairly complex and you use PowerPoint for presentations to customers. All of your sales people have Office 2007 and access to the central PowerPoint repository which is accessible from OfficeLive within PowerPoint itself. The head marketing guy creates a new presentation incorporating the latest updates to your product line. When each sales guy logs in online, their Groove space is automatically updated with the latest presnetation...they need to do nothing...so when they are at the next customer, they have the latest and greatest info.

Just 2 scenarios but there are hundreds...think past your Microsoft bias and you can see the endless possibilities that this will bring business, small and lartge...
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That's some good thinking
Justin Carmichael 1st Oct 2007
... right there! Then again, you're just thinking, right? wink
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it's true, but...
benitodarder 1st Oct 2007
scenario 1: When i'm in the way home... i'm in the way home, maximum i write down a TODO in my Tungsten or in my E750 for tomorrow (or monday) morning as: "update excel file with ..."

scenario 2: i think there are better and specific tools for online content... yes, maybe they are not easy as powerpoint (btw office) but usually performace is not easy.
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two steps or one?
mmadink 1st Oct 2007
ummm why in the world would you go to the trouble to write a TODO note to your self when you could just open it up and make the change? Each to their own I guess.
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Because he's driving
Jambalaya Breath 1st Oct 2007
And drive time ain't no time to be working on no steenkin' spreadsheet. It's bad enough that he's dictating notes.
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Well, there's always HOME
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
If you drive, then I think that it's pretty clear that the portion of the OP reply that said "you're on the TRAIN."

Come on people. It's not too hard to envision that the OP didn't intend for you to work on a spreadsheet while driving.

How about jump to the end of the scenario, where the person is at home, sitting at their home work station, and opens the document.
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laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
Left a bit out -

"If you drive, then I think that it's pretty clear that the portion of the OP reply that said "you're on the TRAIN." "

Should have said this:

"If you drive, then I think that it's pretty clear that the portion of the OP reply that said "you're on the TRAIN" is not intended for you."

Sorry about that. Fingers got ahead of brain. Mornings suck. happy
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When I'm on the way home
voska1 2nd Oct 2007
I'm not doing work. That's my time and I'm not being paid for it so no work gets done.
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Think past assuming bias in others
lawbell1978@... 1st Oct 2007
I'm not sure the scenarios are much different from using web storage with any application. What if you want the advantages, but don't use MSOffice because it does not perform well for your requirements (our law firm, many others, and DOJ still use WordPerfect Office because of significant advantages of WP and Quattro Pro over Word and Excel for our requirements)?

From our perspective, by requiring users to have MSOffice installed to work on documents, MS is just leveraging the new product to sell the existing one. Now if MS adopted a truly open document format .....
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A better scenario would be...
comp_indiana 1st Oct 2007
Just create it in Google docs. Then you can edit it anywhere, and you don't need
office at all. You can even edit from a platform other than windows. (That's just in
case you wake up and realize you have been tied to windows all these years, and it's
really not a very good OS after all.)
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That certainly works
IT_User 1st Oct 2007
I've been keeping a lot of my personal spreadsheets, etc, on Google docs for the last couple of months, so they're available anywhere anytime, the latest version. Very convenient.

Have been running a nationwide community of interest within a SharePoint application. We've only been on for a few months, but I have long been aware of other user communities up in arms over the slow, error-prone service. It's the only SharePoint I've experienced, so it could be the implementation, but this group is backed by some major megabucks - don't see why they and MS can't get it right.

I'm thinking of throwing in the towel. Discussion with Google later this week to start tradeoff analysis whether to move to Google docs. We'll see...
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Google docs
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
Yeah, that's a great idea. You may as well go ahead and post all of your confidential information straight to the NSA homepage. That's where it will end up anyway.

Not saying MS is any better, but you really think your info is safe with Google, the company willing to sell your data to the highest bidder??
government. Remember, Google was the only one to stand up to the DOG when they wanted all of your search queries. And, the only thing that Google has is trust, without that, they could lose all of their business overnight. It only takes about 2 seconds to switch search providers.

Don't forget that the government can also break the door down to your house and take your computer.
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I know they can
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
Don't forget that the government can also break the door down to your house and take your computer.

I don't like them either.

happy
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Think past your bias...
nomoremicrosoft 1st Oct 2007
it's obvious you are the one who is biased. There was not bias at all in the post you responded to.

JustTryThinking instead of slamming people who don't praise Microsoft.
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You can already do that
Reged 2nd Oct 2007
... by storing the file on a storage site like google or box.net. What's the Microsoft difference?
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Erm?
Bozzer 2nd Oct 2007
Scenerio 1:

Open up connection to file server. Edit document. Save back to file server. On the train you open up connection to file server. Edit document. Save back to file server. At home. Open connection to file server. Edit document. Save back to file server.

Scenerio 2:

Head Marketing Guy makes changes to powerpoint presentation. Field staff check Password protected Company Marketing Home Page. Download latest presentation.

-----

Conclusion.

What is the big deal here? You have been able to do all those things for years with existing tech. Talk about selling the Emperor new clothes.
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The difference
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
Servers cost money.

This doesn't.

For that matter, Google docs doesn't cost anything either.

It's a matter of preference when arguing between one Open Office maker and another, but there is a definate benefit over a server.
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But you already have them
voska1 2nd Oct 2007
That document is most likely on data server, if not then one wonders how they are backing it up. Meaning there's most likely a back server, most like you have other servers too. So yes they do cost money you probably already have them.
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No, you make an assumption
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
You assume that whoever is utilizing this already has a server.

I claim that no, not everyone who may use this has a server.

How about all those small businesses out there that could use something like this and don't have a server. Or can't afford to have that type of system set up. Being involved in tech, you know as well as anyone that if you have little to no IT knowledge it can be extremely costly to get a network between purchasing the equipment and paying a pro to set it up.

Several of my clients have paid 20, 30, 40 grand for it. (larger companies, server necessary, but the point is the same).

How about the home user? Or student? Why carry around a flash drive or a pocket full of disks when you can do your work on the cloud and then finish it at home?

Or the people who can't afford Office, but still need doc programs?

If you don't like Google, it's nice that there's an option, but I certainly don't see it as useless, nor do I see it as something that businesses that already have a network would consider anyway.
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For years actually. It's called FTP. I save to FTP, I then go home and need to make a change then I connect to our Firewall, Authenticate, create a VPN tunnel and connect to our FTP site to grab the file.

To the user it looks like double click icon, entere user id, open browser, and grab file. When done save file back in the same location close brower and log off.

Now with Citrix though it's even better. I don't need Office installed anywhere I just connect to the Web Interface and I have Office and access to everything from databases to shared files.
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Zune 2
killerbunny 1st Oct 2007
!
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Actually Zune 2 came out allready
John Zern 1st Oct 2007
they just called it Google Apps! happy
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Actually....
quikboy 1st Oct 2007
It's suppose to come out in October 16. Zune 2.0 is suppose to be really something.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
John Zern 1st Oct 2007
Nothing wrong with the Zune, it's just another MP3 player like iPod, Zen, ect. It just didn't do it for me. Could have been the color. Make it any color other then brown. White, red, black, yellow, whatever.
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They weren't ALL brown, John
laura.b 2nd Oct 2007
But I agree. Brown? Why brown? Eww.

I guess they were going for the "match anything with neutrals" thing. You can get a black one, a white one, or a brown one.

According to the ads, the new models also offer a red one, a pink one, and a green one (green I'm almost sure, but am not going to go searching for it at the moment...).
Mary Jo,
I think Microsoft is taking its Japanese style long view and slowly adding more and more online capability. They always keep working at things until they get them right--at least most of the time.
There is another stealth product that you should take a look at: Microsoft Live Writer. It's a surprisingly capable blog editing tool that plays well with other blogging s/w such as WordPress and Typepad.
It's offline, but synchs with your blog.
I think all of this represents a gentler, but still intensely competitive Microsoft.
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I think the biggest problem with Google Docs is
information security issues. No large corporation
would allow a third party to have access to all their
important information like that. It gives Google an
NSA/Big Brother view of everyone's data, which is really
really bad idea!

Maybe for an individual who doesnt want to fork out
the large sum it costs to buy MS Office - then maybe
google''s apps would make sense instead of office.

Gam
es
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It could, but
Justin Carmichael 1st Oct 2007
... what if there was extra coding, and multi-layered passwording? Sure, if you set more than one password, to be entered in a specific order, you're going to have a lot of frustrated employees, of whom would simply LOVE to bash the CEO's head in for merely contemplating the idea!

But, it would work! If there are I-S issues, then Google need to figure out a method of blasting them into the FUD they belong in!
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branding of online storage
Insight Driver 1st Oct 2007
so for all this branding stuff, isn't this just online storage, only of restricted file types? You can't edit at a machine that doesn't have Office or a progam that will open the Office document. I can post documents a lot of places online to the do the same thing. If this service lets me edit the document online,I still don't see the point. At work I have office installed. I have local documents; I can vpn in to my computer if I want. What advantage would MS workspace give me?
How about a real challenge for Google; A web version of Office based on the SaaS model. Shared storage for documents? Who isn't doing this now??? Once again, Microsoft playing catch up.
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the answer is no
fpirrone 1st Oct 2007
and in your own words:

"Microsoft isn?t playing up Office Live Workspace as a head-to-head competitor with Google Apps Premier Edition (GAPE). Microsoft is positioning its Microsoft-hosted SharePoint, Exchange and Office Communications Services (which it has now rebranded with as its family of ?Office Online? services) as its GAPE competitors."

It would have been interesting if Ms had chosen to extract the base functionality from ALL the Office applications and made that accessible on-line with NO requirements for host computer configuration.

There are several revenue generating models by which that could have been accomplished while not constituting a give-away.

Frank
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Late, as usual, and if they stay true to form it will suck.
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hey
xuniL_z 1st Oct 2007
how's it hangin', chad? har har.


In honor of YOU being so 2000 ish.
Where does this leave FolderShare? Could Microsoft push to replace FolderShare with this new product?
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not really a google docs competitor
morganj@... 1st Oct 2007
I had the opportunity to see a brief preview of this product as part of an MS pitch for their online email product a month or so ago, and at the time I think you still couldn't create docs online. It seemed sort of like it was crippled so that it wouldn't cut into the company's Office product sales. As noted by Microsoft, it's not designed as a Google docs competitor.
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Crippled offering from the Bloatfarm
Jeremy W 1st Oct 2007
Of course it is crippled because the Bloatfarm monopolist is still trying to protect its Office cash cow. This is what classical monopoly theory predicts the bloated, lazy monopolist will do.

MSFT will continue in protectionist mode until it becomes so obvious even internally that its non-innovation will not work. Then as in the past, it will try to destroy the innovators that took the pioneering risk.

Unfortunately for the Bloatfarm, this will, increasingly, be a blind alley because regulators, at least in Europe has grown wise to its abusive tactics.

Until the top layer of MSFT management is removed, MSFT will continue to be anti-innovative, defensive and purely reactive because all of the top management economic incentive is on the side of being defensive. This has been the case, unfortunately, with General Motors: defend the status quo short term and hand the problem on to the next regime.

Like any other bloated stupid monopolist, while it has the large cash hoard and can continue to spend stupidly (Zune, Xbox, Vista) with little or no constraint MSFT is the new GM and will suffer the same fate; its monopolist advantages decline daily.

Why investors cannot see the great damage done by obtuse strategic decision is puzzling. Zune is an unmitigated disaster, from start to finish ? it cannot ever earn a profit and its sheppards have already left; likewise with Xbox; Vista is shaping up in similar fashion. These represent such disasters that any other company would have been forced to replace the Ballmerian Bloatfarm in short order. With MSFT, the change comes more slowly because of the cash hoard and the continuing Office/OS cash flow.

Until the financial community realizes that it is in static defensive mode and it is a candidate for housecleaning, nothing will happen.

When it becomes obvious to all (six months to two years), top management change pressure will develop rapidly and, as soon as the Ballmer regime is replaced, the stock price will recover rapidly.

Ballmer is probably costing investors $10-50 billion in current market cap. If he and his minions were replaced, MSFT would likely increase 20% in a short time.
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Typical...
justthinking 1st Oct 2007
Is it just me or did everyone stop reading this at about the 9th word in?
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Not so, just...
scoobbs@... 1st Oct 2007
Everybody here can count up to ten and then on, except for yourserlf...
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d00d!
Confused by religion 1st Oct 2007
Who p*ssed in your cornflakes this morning?
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Perhaps it was the same person...
Jeremy W 1st Oct 2007
who did in your...
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No, I know people with class and breeding...
Confused by religion 1st Oct 2007
... unlike your likely crowd.
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You must use Apple then! (NT)
nomoremicrosoft 1st Oct 2007
happy
Microsoft first, Linux second, and Apple a distant third. Why? Apple conformity is boring and its adherents are only slightly more annoying than the linux fanboys.
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You only care about branding...um, I mean breeding. Guess it's time for some more pups, no? wink
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No, class is what my friends and acquaintances have...
Confused by religion 1st Oct 2007
... what yours have is inbreeding, as shown by your replies.

How is your Mom, I mean your sister? Or is that your dog?
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likely,
Jack-Booted EULA 1st Oct 2007
msft has been p*ssing in his corn flakes, for years.

:o)
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RE: Microsoft finally unveils its answer to Google Docs
makrejktt2201-24353662080873395391113538372983 12th Nov
auqpmc,good post!

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