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Microsoft: Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer 6

By | March 4, 2011, 8:51am PST

Microsoft has launched a new Web site that is aimed at stepping up its campaign to move users off Internet Explorer (IE) 6.

The new site — the Internet Explorer 6 Countdown — went live on March 4. The site “is dedicated to watching Internet Explorer 6 usage drop to less than 1% worldwide, so more websites can choose to drop support for Internet Explorer 6, saving hours of work for web developers,” according to the page.

The site includes links to tools for businesses that are stuck with IE 6 because they’ve developed internal-facing apps that are dependent on Microsoft’s 10-year-old, non-standards-compliant browser.Gartner analysts have complained in the past that Microsoft’s tools for moving business users off IE 6 are too pricey.

The new IE Countdown site also includes a world map, highlighting which countries around the world still have the most IE 6 installations. (China is No. 1.)

In addition to focusing on the developer side of the “IE 6 must die” message, Microsoft officials also are emphasizing the improved security from which IE users can benefit by switching to IE 8. IE 9 is still in Release Candidate stage and is not mentioned as a comparison point.

Update: Another reason IE 9 is not mentioned — which I didn’t consider earlier — is that IE 9 won’t work with/on Windows XP. I’d wager that a substantial percentage of those stuck with IE 6 are also still using XP, and if those users want to stick with IE, they can only upgrade to IE 8.

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RE: Microsoft: Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer 6
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5 years old, not 10 years
theo_durcan 4th Mar 2011
IE7 was released in October 2006; until then IE6 was the flagship browser of MS. and hordes of Front Page "developers" were arguing there was nothing wrong developing for the "Standard" that IE6 was supposed to be.
The IE6 debacle has 2 legs:
1- Microsoft, creating a stupid browser with many proprietary & non standard hooks
2- MS developers drinking the kool aid & not realizing the stupidity they were creating.
Now, after countless hours lost bending the code for IE6, is time to clean up the mess, meaning redoing all that stupid "IE6 only websites". Enjoy it!
@theo_durcan

Internal web apps tend to be the problem. Anyone with Internet facing sites who is counting on making money has no choice but to update their code/site for a new world. However, corporate IT tends to move slow and in some cases, like molasses going uphill in the winter. Then there's the plain and simple fact that in some cases the people who wrote the various apps are no longer with the org and existing management doesn't want to invest in having the app rewritten, e.g., "It works already". The way to mitigate such IE6 use is to through VMs so that the only IE6 traffic that user generates is to the internal app, beyond that the person would be on a contemporary browser day to day including their use of external sites.
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The problem isn't IE6. It's Windows XP. Get people off Windows XP and on to anything else frankly and they will stop using IE6. It's Windows XP keeping IE6 alive.

That and big business, plenty still haven't deployed IE8.
@bradavon

This.
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You guys are starting to remind me
klumper 4th Mar 2011
@bradavon | Cylon Centurion 0005

of treadmill mice.
@bradavon IE8 runs fine on XP! You just have to install it!
@I12BPhil: As does IE7 but plenty of people simply don't install software if it comes preinstalled and IE6 technically speaking opens the majority of websites fine.
@I12BPhil
@bradavon Actually, I'd wager that IE6 has more of an effect keeping XP alive, than XP keeping IE6 alive. XP users can upgrade to newer version of IE. But IE6 users can't use IE6 on newer versions of Windows. (Win7's Virtual XP mode doesn't count here since it's still XP/IE6.)
@PB_z: Fair point. Surely everyone has tested their internet/intranet pages with IE7/IE8 by now though?

Oh wait, they haven't :-|
Not just Wxp. I have computers running W2K, doing useful work, that will not run Wxp or Vista or W7. Until MS produces a replacement for IE6 that runs on W2K, I will keep using it for updates (and only for updates) for MS Office, and other MS products. I have no choice.
@HvT

W2K is out of its support cycle. I wouldn't count on getting anything at all that's an update to W2K. Not only that, but if they won't even run XP, I'd say it's time to upgrade those suckers. Your hard drives are reaching the end of their useful life on a 11 year old system anyway.
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11 years old? man what are you drinking?
theo_durcan 4th Mar 2011
@DeltaRanger509
in february 2007 Microsoft was still selling XP as they flagship OS, & keep selling it during 2007, when the Vista debacle was unfolding. They sold XP in netbooks extensively through 2008 (3 years go). Now "our friends" are telling the one running those 3/4 years old systems are suckers...
@theo_durcan
he was referring to those on W2K - not XP
@DeltaRanger509
it's easy to tell someone to "upgrade" when you're not footing the bill.
It's an old saying, but still true:
"put YOUR money where your mouth is"
@HvT ---You're right to point out that for those that 2000 Pro still does all that they need for computing, MS will not allow anything more than IE6. Yet MS campaigns to bury that not secure browser. There are those of us who use 2000 Pro on older, lesser resource machines, doing all that we need an OS to do, who'd be pleased if we could upgrade at least to IE7.
@PreachJohn - So switch to firefox instead of IE?
Public school students from schools that don't have Macs are often stuck with W2K or Wxp and IE6 because the schools cannot afford the technician time to move up a notch, even if they have machines which would support a newer browser.
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my XPpro has IE8. And Firefox (nt)
pfyearwood 4th Mar 2011
@orangemike

Paul
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How much time is involved, really?
Lester Young 4th Mar 2011
@orangemike

If you're not dependent on IE6-specific features, migration is trivial. Do they know how to deploy from a server?
or when the internet compagny tried 2 help the internet 's users...thank's and respect 2 the team , C.;-)))
The tabs feature alone is worth the upgrade from IE6.
@Loverock Davidson: Agreed. The amount of people who have no idea the square in IE7/8 means new tab and open new windows still. MS should make it more obvious what this means.
@Loverock Davidson You mean the tabs feature Microsoft ripped off of Firefox?

Oh yeah, that's right you are a Firefox user...so why are you in here posting on IE6?
@Brick Tamland
And that firefox ripped off of Opera? There's no point in talking about those things. Every browser has tabs now, you don't think they should?
A better upgrade would be Firefox. Forget about IE, it sucks anyway.
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@gtdworak
Let's see:
FF was just rated in late 2010 the least secure of the 3 main Windows browsers.
As far as the betas go, FF4 is the slowest.

So, why would I want to use the slowest starting, slowest running, least secure browser? What, for the GIANT bar at the top that looks utterly retarded?

Yeah, I'll stick with Chrome and IE, thanks. You stick with that browser that's slower and less secure than Safari.
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IE6 is years behind already, it's 2011 already.
would you use older version of chrome and firefox today?

I am currently using IE9 and loving it.
My Wife is using Chrome.
We are using 2 different browsers in the same machine to avoid logging on/off in facebook and other websites.

Use the latest version of your favorite browsers.
I pity all the Microsoft haters.
@iluvmsft

I pity all the Microsoft lovers. Depends on your point of view.
@gtdworak I'm sure you do, especially since you took the time to read this MS-related blog and respond to iluvmsft. happy
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@gtdworak And again, troll:
IE9 is the fastest of the major browsers, other than in JS. Flash, HTML 5, and general browsing? Makes the others look like a joke.

FF4, on the other hand, is the slowest. In every category except JS, where it is the 2nd slowest. Bully for you?
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Step that up a bit. Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer...at all!
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XP FTW
xp-client 5th Mar 2011
Dump IE6 and cling on forever to IE8+XP. Windows 7 is for grandmas.
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IE9 Redirect on Win7...
dannyCage 5th Mar 2011
The link at the top-right corner directs to IE 9 download page (http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/#/download), and there is no information on that page that it's RC!
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it's ture.
Cmfresh 5th Mar 2011
but actully we chinese use the public computers which setuped ie6 and wXP to study the basic skills like vb cpp.etc.And we use chrome opera ie9 on personal computers.In fact,the public computers : personal computers = 60:1 SO that's why we have the largest population in the world.
There's still Windows Server 2003, which has abundance of IE6s, and no admin wants to update an Internet browser on the server, as it's not used on the server.
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Compatible with IE6
shanghaisbm 6th Mar 2011
I have to design my website to meet IE6 clients requirements.
Anyone who uses Internet-Exploder beyond required business use deserves the semi-truck sized security holes found in this (and newer) versions of the browser. If you think having a browser tied to the O/S is good thing, go ahead and continue to use it, and pretend all is good in the world.
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@HackerJ
IE9:
Rated the most secure of the browsers.
Won all the speed tests except for JS rendering, where it was less than 2ms behind FF which was 4ms behind Chrome. Overall speed compared with chrome11 and FF4? Almost 300% as fast.

If you think IE9 is tied to the O/S like previous IE's were, you're completely out of the loop.

Hacker gonna hack?
Internet Explorer is crap you get hacked all the time and microsoft don't care at all
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Windows XP is going to be around a very long time. I have a computer running just fine on XP and no intentison of moving it to W7. When I'm ready I'll replace the machine but as of right now it does everything I need with XP. If they want us to move then quit selling something you dont want to use!!!
I use Firefox, and avoid Internet Explorer, ever since IE was reported to use non-standard hooks, many years ago. As long as Firefox continues to work for me, I see no reason to change.
I run IE6 on a netbook (standard release) and in WIN 7 Pro's XP box (standard) as well as a couple of XP machines.

When/If/Ever MS will let us customize the IE toolbar I'll be more than happy to upgrade.
My screen is not big enough to afford 1/3 of it wasted.
And NO, I have no use for TABS, nor do the apps I run.
Plus no direct taskbar shortcuts to websites renders IE8 a non-issue. NO NO NO.

P.S. Chrome works just fine for plain browsing.
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I have never used internet explorer as my default browser. Ever since the netscape days, before internet explorer became an integral part of the OS and MS side loaded it with other apps, sometimes without even offering an option top opt out or even informing us that our would install, automatically default and then cripple netscape so that it required a format and reinstall of the OS to get netscape back, I have avoided it's use. When Win98 was released with IE preinstalled I read about the anti trust suite where MS claimed that removing IE was not possible without breaking the OS using netscape on a well running Win98 machine with no IE. However, as more web developers began to create sites with apps that that only worked with IE and netscape became to antiquated to function I was forced to use IE more and more. Once I found Opera I was thankful to have to depend on IE less but there were still web sites that neccesitated it's use. Unfortunate since the OS was faster, more secure and more stable without IE installed (contrary to MS testimonials at trial). I still have a a client, a church, running about a dozen Win98 workstations with no IE and no active virus scanners. The lowest spec legacy machines are running as little as 32mb of ram on PII 300mhz cpus. They boot in about a minute, apps open in seconds, browsing shared network resources is instantaneous, and maintenance over the years has has been limited to defrags. The two new P4, 3gb vista workstations became slower after one year than the oldest legacy machines and have since been upgraded to Linux.

The point here is that IE sucks. It makes windows suck. Always has. IE9 is supposed to be better? Doubtful... First of all there are millions of xp machines that can't run it. I still see plenty of older first and second gen xp machines that just don't have the the hardware specs to handle an IE7 or 8 upgrade and now
the wonderful IE9 is touted to be the most secure and fastest browser? Hard to make a fair and accurate comparison when it can't run on a legacy machine running winxp. Hard to see the benefit when users and corporations have to upgrade their hardware and their OS, which may then require upgrading and rewriting certain apps that only work thru xp, to take advantage of the enhanced speed and security? WOW! IE9 is faster and more secure! I'm going to buy a brand new machine!

Just wait... Security cannot be determined on a newly released product. Historically, MS has not not had a very good track record for security. Does anyone remember how xp was touted to be the most secure OS on it's release? Historically, it didn't play out that way did it?
Considering how poor a browser IE 6, er IE has always been Microsoft should provide financial help so businesses can convert over. But then Microsoft has never been what you would call consumer friendly.
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Treadmill mice
smiley97111 7th Mar 2011
Thanks Klumper, I liked that line. happy

This website is another fine example of my contention that Microsoft's strategy for the Browsers War is seriously (and in my personal hope; fatally) flawed. If they continue to believe the world will someday climb back into their "upgrade all hardware and software every three years" treadmill that filled their coffers during the Bill Gates era, we might win. I'm afraid though that even Ballmer will eventually get the clue.

http://www.pmaco.net/~smiley/journal/201103/IIQindex_February_update_SJ110301_.html

What is Microsoft really selling? IE9 runs on Windows OS right? WinOS has over 3/4 market share, right? Oops, wait a minute, IE9 won't install on WinXP. Better call that 30% of the Operating System market share that CAN install their newest browser offering because WinXP (even after a decade) just won't go away. Sure, Win7 is making gains, but it's taking those gains from Win Vista, not WinXP and certainly not from Mac OS X. So, if the IE browser is really going to compete in the Browser wars, Microsoft is relying on their IE8 product which scored 20/100 on the Acid3 test. Not really what you'd call a winning strategy if you incorporate iPhone and the Mobile Market into the equation.

I'm just hoping planetary IE usage will drop below 40% before Microsoft gets the memo.

Smiley
Well of course m$ is not the only upgrade path
Why can't us OCG's (old computer guys)who run win2k-pro upgrade to ie7 at least. that would keep me in the windows camp instead of going to linux...archieb
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