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Microsoft: Moving more assets to the cloud may curb piracy

By | December 7, 2010, 10:29am PST

Summary: It’s always telling to hear what Charles Songhurst, Micrsosoft’s General Manager of Corporate Strategy, is focused on. These days, Songhurst is spending most of his time on two areas — the economics of the cloud and piracy.

It’s always telling to hear what Charles Songhurst, Micrsosoft’s General Manager of Corporate Strategy, is focused on. Songhurst, an eight-year Microsoft veteran, has held various strategy and mergers and acquisitions posts at Microsoft. According to his bio, Songhurst was instrumental in helping to kill the acquisition of Yahoo, saving the company $48 billion, and subsequently negotiating the Microsoft-Yahoo search partnership.

These days, Songhurst is spending most of his time on two areas — the economics of the cloud and piracy — he told attendees of the NASDAQ OMX Investor Program on December 7. (I listened to the Webcast.)

Microsoft recently issued a white paper entitled “The Economics of the Cloud,” which Microsoft envisioned as “help(ing) build a framework that allows IT leaders to plan for the cloud transition. (My ZDNet colleague Larry Dignan wrote about Microsoft cloud economics paper last month.) Among the takeaways: Larger clouds save users more money than smaller clouds.

Songhurst talked up the economies of scale that can be realized via day-parting to drive up server utilization and other ways of taking advantage of both supply-side and demand-side factors. He noted (not surprisingly) that second-tier, non-mission-critical apps are what’s going to the cloud first. And he claimed that Microsoft wouldn’t cannibalize its business by moving more and more to the cloud because moving enterprise IT does not “somehow turn (things) into a simple, homogeneous mass.”

The one new tidbit Songhurst shared was a connection I hadn’t made before. He said that Microsoft is counting on the movement of more of its assets to the cloud as helping to reduce piracy. The company loses a significant share of potential revenues to pirates and has been trying a variety of ways to reduce it, from better holograms on boxes, to more lawsuits against alleged pirates, to more stringent “Genuine” software checks.

“As products become services, piracy naturally disappears,” Songhurst said. “It is hard to pirate when the experience is coming from a server.”

Songhurst said piracy reduction due to the cloud was a long-term phenomenon, which might not have much impact until the next decade, but that it was “a very positive trend.”

One other question from an attendee of the NASDAQ event which I thought was interesting was how Microsoft could be both a good consumer and good enterprise company. Songhurst acknowledged that it was very hard to do both well, but the “rewards” of managing to were “very high.” Like CEO Steve Ballmer has said recently, Songhurst claimed that the synergies between the two parts of the business are tightly intertwined and interdependent. He didn’t say much else on the topic.

Songhurst also declined to answer a quesetion about when and if Microsoft would port Windows to ARM, noting “we don’t talk about anything about Windows beyond official announcements.” He also deflected questions about what’s coming next on the Office front and how/when Kinect-like capabilities might come to PCs. Still, I found it interesting just how much attention (and at what levels) the company is paying to the economics around the cloud these days….

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RE: Microsoft: Moving more assets to the cloud may curb piracy
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Curb uptake too
happyharry_z 7th Dec 2010
I don't want my assets in a 3rd party cloud. Period.
@happyharry_z : Okey. And what business-wise rational did you use? Or was it just a gut feeling you got.

That figures why don't hear any CTO/CIO called Happy Harry on any Fortune 500 company or even Fortune 5k or 5M...
Windows XC (nearly get your XP back) $20.00 per ATV from youth to kill somebody that you career from any company website is the best buy if you mo.
@happyharry_z

So all the tech you used to even post a message including your Internet connection was something you created on your own?

-M
@betelgeuse68 wtf kinda dumbass comment is that? He doesn't want his documents worked on or stored on a remote server. Its not hard to understand. Businesswise it might be a tough sell. Companies have even more need to manage their own things

this won't stop piracy or at least wont increase revenue. Pirates only pirate because they do. Make it impossible and they will move to the many free alternatives. Money won't magically appear from pirates
The economics of cloud totally makes business sense for Microsoft. My problem is when they intertwined just for the sake pushing their cloud agenda. Take Windows Phone 7, missing so many things because in their opinion everything should work against the cloud. Forget the realities of today. I am just wondering if future server OS releases will start to pull features for the sake of the cloud. And don't get me started thinking about privacy or as we have seen recently with WikiLeaks how uncertain running in the cloud can be when someone does like what you are selling.

For my part, Azure is exciting and I see so much potential. Other times it feels like innovation be damned let's create a complete lock-in strategy to protect our Windows.
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And there's the problem
Richard Flude 8th Dec 2010
The cloud, like desktops before it, will be the race to the bottom. Pricing will become the only competitive advantage.

How's MS going to maintain margins in such an environment? Gone are licenses and CALs. Who's going to pay the equivalent when cheaper alternative are available?

MS continues to run around in circles, trying to find relevance beyond it's desktop monopoly.
The antipiracy angle is something video game developers have worked on for some time. Unlike pirated movies or music, software requires executable files which can be served remotely without users being able to copy/capture them.
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for now... NT
OneTwoc21 7th Dec 2010
@Jgarrettca1 NT*
@Jgarrettca1
And I would never buy a game that required I be connected to their servers.

Optional to play multi? sure.

But will not own a game that will be held hostage to:
A. Internet connection
B. Company Solvency (Server no longer supported)
C. Server issues
@Bodazapha I used to strongly feel the same way, but I think that ship has sailed. Everything else in the world is becoming internet-dependent, so games aren't going to be the sole hold-out. There is an up-side... more money gets poured back into new development, with dramatic results. Old timers like me will still be able to play Atari off-line when the urge strikes (but not Counter-Strikes).
MSft and the rest,want us to have pay-per-view,
or monthly subscription OS.
Click on desktop icon to go to the cloud.
You pay subscription,or you get nothing.
That is the bottom line,nothing else!
@knash1

Yep, that is the bottom line in this case, and NO ONE (save perhaps businesses) want that!
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Yes, that is their utopia,.....
Economister 7th Dec 2010
@knash1

which is why we need net neutrality and open source.
@knash1 ...quality has always been a aspect 100% absent from microsofts products.

Make them guarantee service and they will go out of business, they are completely incapable of providing good service at any level.
It starts like this:
Windows XC --Windows 10Cloud
We will need a credit card.
Windows XC (nearly get your XP back) $20.00 per mo.
MSOffice $10.00 per mo.,etc.
@knash1 : Almost nailed it.

In my take, maybe in 2014, Microsoft will figure that only 20 or so percent of businesses moved to Windows 7 or 8, most others ditching Windows for iPads slates, so they will basically re release Windows XP with IE6 *AND* IE11 (based on HTML6) in something new called Windows Cloud Client or Windows Client 2014 or Windows Client 365.

They will have learnt the hard way that they had the monopoly just on client based executables and that venturing into the cloud was not the correct move to make on 2011.
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@cosuna Hm...
Almost 20% of business are already on Windows 7...
iPad slates? With what keyboard? What platform extensibility?
I think Microsoft already has the most paying customers for cloud, has one of the most used cloud services (hotmail), has one of the most visited web properties (MSN), and is doing quite well in the living room (xbox).

Your rational makes no sense.
@cosuna .. MS has no customer loyalty, save the few addled lemmings unable to manage an alternative.
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@cosuna : no where near

I'm writing this on an iPad! And it's great, but it's not a substitute for a proper computer inside or outside a business environment - and it's far too expensive!

As for only 20% moving to 7 or 8 I'm going to say you're wrong for 2 reasons. Firstly because if Microsoft isn't selling XP then you won't have much choice, and second because windows 7 is much better than XP in almost every way I can think off. Also if you've not downloaded the beta of IE 9 then I can tel you that that's good too.

Windows 7 and IE9 are a return to form after Vista and IE 7 & 8 which refocuses on speed, ease of use, and quality... Which is what businesses like.
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The problem with the cloud for MS.....
Economister 7th Dec 2010
is that they will have some REAL competition, and a lot of consumers may start using the cloud from the bottom up, meaning starting with cloud services for smart phones and tablets. Instead of switching to MS/Windows based cloud services for their desktops, they may just buy a Chrome/Android/iOS based notebook/desktop and stay with the cloud services they know.

I think MS is quite vulnerable in this area.
@Economister Couldn't agree with you more. I have to say though tablets are some what of a fad. I have a iPad and it's great and all but the thing gets barely any use... I'd rather use a PC. Sure the nerds will buy up things but general consumers know no better - they want to edit their resume (word), get on the internet to check mail and facebook, read the news, maybe work through their expenses (Excel) or chat with Skype for video conferencing here and there... I believe phones are the new frontier but even more so the interconnection between services - this I believe Microsoft has Google just generally beat at.
@jessiethe3rd ... MS is just a bunch of morons that have made the worst software in the world for the last 20yrs.
They stay in business because they are a parasite.
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@Economister
Others are blasting you about your comments but I feel a certain agreement coming on. They say W7 is so great! What?? It?s so different to XP?? What? It might be a bit faster but Windows is ALWAYS a bloated slug. W7 is so damn messy to work through. XP had a logical layout and flow to work with and configure ? An elegant simplicity - NOT so for W7. It suffers that same messy brain guru look that the Office 2007 ribbon has, great waste lands of realestate and confused messy displays of data or info. I am still to see these wonderful things W7 can do that so impresses jessiethe3rd and others. Got a list that is worth knowing about for the average user running IE and office? After all, these are the majority of users and include millions of small businesses who use the same stuff and one other proprietary software. I work with both and I can?t agree with the childlike excitement about 7. Too much like Alice in Wonderland.

As an OS we don't need some drug crazed artist's impressionist concept of confusion. XP was simpler to work with. Any small speed gains are lost. As it is, Windows has been a big slow slug for many generations because of inefficient programming. It is one reason so many push Linux. Windows is too complex and offers too many attack fronts.

As for the cloud, I would not use it myself for all the reasons offered and certainly not for a business and enterprise specific software won't be out there. What will it reside on? Who wants to wait to boot up across the Internet and its often unreliable and unsafe nature and then wait for traffic to allow transactions and other processes to start and run. What about solid security? What about the simple things the vast majority of users want? Everyone seems to forget the number of IT illiterates out there and they out number you and the business sector. Pricing would have to compare with an OS buy price over a useful life of say 4 years, the same for an Office type package. Working with an average use time per day etc. An average user would only want to see about 10 cents/hour for the OS and Office pkg or even less. Include the low cost of Internet security packages now and you can add another cent or two. Will the cloud come in at or under that?
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I would gladly pay for a subscription service if the cost was in line with current prices (or cheaper) and it meant that my software was continually upgraded to the latest version. VL holders get the option to spread payments, and I get MAPS for my business....the only thing missing is streamlined deployment.

I'm thinking that Microsoft's next big play is hosted App-V for all, via Azure in their datacenter.
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And how are they ......
Economister 7th Dec 2010
@Joe_Raby

going to compete with the cost per year for my 10 year old no annual fee XP license (and still going strong)? If I bought a new notebook that required monthly payments to MS to operate, you can try to guess how long it would take me to install Linux on it. Someone said Vista was the longest suicide note in history. Making me pay a monthly fee to use Windows might be one of the shortest, at least as far as I am concerned.
@Economister You may be still running XP but Windows 7 is a vastly different OS - not quite sure why someone would accept XP when you can do so many other things with W7.
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@Economister

You've been yelling the same thing from the rooftops for so long now, it's getting to be depressing. You talk about Linux so much and about Microsoft trying to FORCE people to upgrade, but it's so sadly disingenuous. They have not snuck into your computer and erased your XP license. They still offer XP via Technet. You can still activate XP licenses.

There are even people who come on here talking about how they still use Windows 98.

Try that on a MAC where you'd be hard pressed to find software that will install to your system after 5 years. Better yet, why not switch to Linux and get it over with? I recommend Linux Mint. Isadora is a pleasure. You seem to believe that Microsoft has nothing but wickedness up it's sleeves, so may as well make the switch ASAP, no?
@PlayFair

Switched to Linux 11 years ago, 100% Linux for 7 years. Nothing against Microsoft, just liked Linux more. Not crazy about the Debian/Ubuntu distros, but I will give Isadora a try.

If you trust the cloud and it is cost effective, it's a no brainer. If you don't trust the cloud or it is not cost effective, again a no brainer. Why all the hub bub, bud?
The future is in the cloud since it can help save cost on software deployment and delivery to both consumers and enterprise. Just imagine that you can only have a copy of Windows or Office just by downloading from the Microsoft website and it should be applicable globally not just in the US or Canada to curb piracy.
@erichmercado

>>>Just imagine that you can only have a copy of Windows or Office just by downloading from the Microsoft website and it should be applicable globally not just in the US or Canada to curb piracy.

I might be a little thick here, but isn't that what you can do already with Linux? Now hardware is a different story, but it is hard to see how you can save enough on hardware to offset subscription costs. Cloud, no cloud, with Microsoft/Linux/Apple/Unix/Android/iOS and so on. So many choices. Good thing, right?
That IS their plan,they just were not ready to
detail it to the public,yet.
Didn't want to start people thinking about it ,too soon.
It's why they started out with: "We're on your side"..........
...Looking out for you...
Moving assets to the cloud would definitely help prevent piracy. MS faces a tremendous amount of competition in the Cloud Application space. Hopefully this will drive down prices of their products.

Brett Miller
http://www.customsoftwarebypreston.com
Moving software to the cloud can reduce piracy if those that pirated the software decided to subscribe to the service. Most likely they won't subscribe and will find alternatives in open source to fulfill their needs when software products from the big dogs is no longer available. I'm eager to see this shift of software from a product to a service in the cloud, because I believe that the claimed "lost revenue" from pirates will not materialize in any great amount on corporate bottom lines. This will go a long way to prove that piracy hasn't cost the great software companies a whole lot of money, and take a lot of wind out of the sails from software companies and organizations like the BSA that claim they lose billions. You haven't lost a sale when the person that pirated your software wouldn't have purchased it anyway.
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This presentation was (mostly) about Vaporware.
Rick S._z Updated - 8th Dec 2010
He admits that anything involving Microsoft's revenue-generating products is merely a "long term" strategy, and that customers' internal software stacks (second-tier as far as HE is concerned) are likely to move first.

So I suspect that this was really all about distracting us from Google's recent Chrome and Cloud demos. Vaporware, mostly.
@Rick S._z

Everything talked about or reported on as coming in the near/middle future is vaporware until folks actually get their hands on it, no?
You might find my advice to Microsoft on the Kinect/Office front interesting.
http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=940&doc_id=201567
Said it before and I'll say it again: when Windows goes cloud, I switch to Linux or Mac. And Bodazapha speaks for me on games as well.
The push to the Cloud is just part of a larger move to get the average person and business away from ownership and into on the fly services where everything is temporary and no one except for the large global corporations have ownership. Besides you don?t own the software you use anyway, you are a user renting it. Granted it may be a onetime rental fee but you do NOT own the software.

Just wait, they?ll enact laws to make other real physical objects fall under the same ?just renting it? policy so that people can no longer unlock a device and break free of the artificial restrictions put in place by the manufacturer.

Think that sounds crazy? Just look around at what?s going on from the TSA grabbing your privates to travel via plane (this is being implemented in train & bus stations just in case you hadn?t heard yet) to the government putting PSA?s in Wal-Mart telling citizens to report on each other for suspicious activity. Anyone who experienced the horror of the Nazis would be in shock and unable to understand how the public can just put up with this kind of thing.

The cloud is merely the way to further restrict our actions and choices by controlling (remotely) what we can do with software. It may be that as of current your have a lot of control over services in the cloud but once a vast majority are on the cloud and its impossible to go back you?ll see things change. They?ll make up excuses like too many on the cloud and so services and access must be controlled for the good of all.

If you voluntarily move to the cloud then don?t complain when it goes south. They convinced companies offshoring would be good and yet here we are. The cloud is not designed to make it better for the masses but to remove users abilities to do as they please with their software.
What an ass. Anybody who uses the word "experience" usually has two interchangeable parts: mouth and *******.

The dangerous part is, this ******* will push through some awful cloud computing process that works as well as all its ancestry. Think 'CEMENT' (WinCE, WinME, WinNT). Throw in some Bob and Vista, too.

The Cloud of Mediocrity.. another Microsoft product.
Ooh, sign me up... not.
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