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Microsoft: No more three-app limit in Windows 7 Starter Edition

By | May 29, 2009, 2:30pm PDT

Summary: Microsoft is eliminating one of the biggest sticking points for Windows 7 Starter Edition — the three-application-concurrency limitation — company officials confirmed on May 29.

Blogger Paul Thurrott was right. Microsoft is eliminating one of the biggest sticking points for Windows 7 Starter Edition — the three-application-concurrency limitation.

Microsoft officials acknowledged the change on May 29 on the Windows Team Blog. Windows Communication Manager Brandon LeBlanc posted the news:

“We are also going to enable Windows 7 Starter customers the ability to run as many applications simultaneously as they would like, instead of being constricted to the 3 application limit that the previous Starter editions included.

“We believe these changes will make Windows 7 Starter an even more attractive option for customers who want a small notebook PC for very basic tasks, like browsing the web, checking email and personal productivity.”

Microsoft attributed the change in the number of applications that can be run concurrently on Starter Edition to customer and partner feedback.

Windows 7 Starter Edition is the lowest-end SKU in the planned Windows 7 line-up. Microsoft has not made public Windows 7 pricing for either OEMs or consumers.  (XP Starter Edition is believed to cost OEMs about $15 per copy.)

Windows 7 Starter Edition — which Microsoft acknowledged back in February would be available in all countires, not just developing ones, a limitation of  XP Starter and Vista Starter –  is the version that most Microsoft watchers are expecting PC makers to preload on netbooks. (The second most likely choice is Windows 7 Home Premium.)

Microsoft is doing a lot of thinking about WIndows 7 on netbooks — or, as company officials prefer to call them, “small notebooks” — as of late. Microsoft has created a check-list of netbook specs to which PC makers will need to adhere to get netbook-level pricing for Windows 7, according to a recent report on TechARP.

Does removal of the three-apps-running-concurrently stipulation make you any more interested in running Windows 7 on a netbook?

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RE: Microsoft: No more three-app limit in Windows 7 Starter Edition
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Good Move MS
marks055@... 29th May 2009
It would have been a PR nightmare.
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Are you sure?
T1Oracle Updated - 30th May 2009
Now businesses have no reason to use anything pricier than the netbook edition of Windows. In the face of Linux competition MS is screwed. Either they have an overpriced OS for netbooks, an artificially handicapped one (3 app limit), or they sell a fully functional OS at a reduced price thus negating the value of the profitable alternatives.

MS has to cut margins.

Of course this is great news for the consumer, MS has enough of our money.
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Yes! Starter is not a good business platform
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 1st Jun 2009
Starter does not include the many business/enterprise oriented features such as AD, manageability, etc., that facilitate its broad use in business.

Businesses that want to take advantage of Windows' VERY powerful management, deployment, monitoring, etc., features will still want to use the business-oriented SKU's.
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Smart business don't have to pay
T1Oracle Updated - 1st Jun 2009
The fully featured Linux is the same exact price as the netbook version. Why buy MS? I can edit Office 07 files in OOo without problems. How many personnel really need all of the features of Office to get their jobs done?

Removing the app limit takes away one barrier, but as you just pointed out the real limitations are still there.
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I don't have a machine around any more that could finish booting without at least 5-6 apps running. Just another reason I've dumped Gates for SuSE.


Western News Co (Chicago)

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And fax wizard?
fejlinton 2nd Jun 2009
Here's hoping fax wizard, available in all pre-Vista Windows versions up through XP, but only in Ultimate and Enterprise for Vista, comes back to all versions of 7.
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Debian Linux Fax Server
Ole Man 6th Jun 2009
http://www.aboutdebian.com/fax.htm

If you've ever used a program like WinFax you know how convenient it is to use your fax-modem to send a fax. There's no need to print out a hard-copy and stuff that into a stand-alone fax machine. A fax server makes a fax-modem available to all users on a network and they can use fax client software on their workstations to submit their fax jobs to the server.

And if your itch is too great to spend money, there is an enterprise (paid) version, also.

http://www.ifax.com/content/view/14/51/

HylaFAX Enterprise Edition
HylaFAX Enterprise Edition builds upon the mature Open Source platform of HylaFAX by adding the features most commonly requested by our enterprise customers: support for high-performance fax boards such as the Brooktrout TR1034, comprehensive SQL database support, performance improvements for ultra high-throughput applications such as broadcast faxing, and the ability to decode bar codes from received faxes. It is a powerful client-server based solution that streamlines your critical business processes, whether you need to automate your own infrastructure or provide fax broadcasting or application fax hosting services to your clients.

Get the facts. Don't be faxless.
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You will not be able to buy ...
mwagner@... 1st Jun 2009
... Starter Edition. It will only be pre-loaded on netbooks. The lowest end version of Windows 7 that anyone will be able to buy on a full-function notebook/desktop will be Home Premium and it will not support important business-oriented features like ADS. All but the smallest businesses will have to buy Professional(/Enterprise) at a higher price-point.

Ultimate will be for the truly hard-core.
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Upgrade?
rhonin 1st Jun 2009
Wonder if users will be able to upgrade existing
netbooks from XP to 7?

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Still a PR nightmare
tmsbrdrs 1st Jun 2009
Why was there ever a 3 app limit to begin with?

I'm using Linux for free with all rights and I have no app limit or other bit of limitation.

Windows costs money, it should provide more ability to be worked with for everyone using it, not less.
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Unfair to compare Microsoft to Linux
softwareFlunky 2nd Jun 2009
Microsoft still has to pay salaries to its employees, fines (soon to be universally acknowledged as the Microsoft monopoly tax) and, last and I suppose least in their eyes, their shareholders. It seems unfair to compare Microsoft to Linux: true innovation takes time and, in a proprietary business, lots of money.
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Imagine, you go to the grocery store, see two products, one is 100% free and one costs money. Which would you expect to be better?

You walk onto a car lot, some guy is giving away cars and the sales staff is trying to sell you a car. Which one would you expect to have no problems?

You go to a news stand, there's a stack of papers with no cost and a stack of papers costing $1.50. Which would you expect to have the most up to date News?

Pick any product, put a free one next to one you pay for and you'll get the same scenario. You expect the one that costs money to give you better perks. It's how the Economy is supposed to work. It's the idea behind the free sample and the Freemium. To prove that you get what you pay for.

Linux cost me nothing but I'm getting more freedom with it, I'm getting all the perks that Vista and Windows 7 are being claimed to have and none of the limitations.

Microsoft has employees on salary, that means those employees should be doing more than the guys working on Linux and open source apps, doesn't it?

Maybe I'm old fashioned but when I pay someone to do a job when someone else offers to do it for free, I expect a better job to be done.
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I'll Give You Unfair: Spelled Gates
Seamus O'Brog Updated - 3rd Jun 2009
I'm sorry. This is not about ego (mine) or whining. It is about an operating system which Windows isn't and never was.

Windows is an insecure toy put out by the story of incredible greed and by buying up and stifling innovation. Just another Robber Barron who is trying to cover up the fact that he is perceived as a thief and plunderer in this country by being Santa Claus in another country.

Try Linux...any distro. Linux is an OS. Secure, Stable. To be honest, some of the Free apps are a bit less than ready for prime time, but the OS is rock solid and secure....which, again, Windows is NOT. Take the Windows black box of file sharing if you need an example. Very aptly named because share is what you will do.

That makes a few bumps in the apps worth it. And tell me about any perfect Windows apps.

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MS had better stop this or the ABMers are going to have to start inventing stuff. Oh... too late.
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Thank you Linux.
kozmcrae 29th May 2009
Even without actually using it, Windows users are receiving benefits from Linux.

If Linux wasn't there, there would be more reason for Microsoft to squeeze more money out of its hapless customers.
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Linux does keep Microsoft honest ...
mwagner@... 1st Jun 2009
... but the price-point for the UPGRADE version of Home Premium will be the same as that for MacOSX, about $130 retail.

With Shrink-Wrapped Home Basic @ $99, Microsoft was leaving money on the table.

With Home Premium as the baseline consumer SKU (except for netbooks), MS gets to compete head-to-head with Macintosh for shrink-wrapped sales.

That's where Microsoft has been feeling the pinch. Not Desktop Linux, which poses no threat to MS.

Linux in the machine-room is another story and in that market, Microsoft is plenty concerned.
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/noemg9

Hey, they're saying it. Why kill something if it's not a "threat"?
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Windows should cost $35
rosanlo 30th May 2009
I watched the latest video podcast (also available as mp3) of John C. Dvorak's Cranky Geeks. The panel, which included Dvorak, Rupley, Louderback, pretty much agreed the Windows operating system should cost $35, instead of the hundreds of dollars it does.

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A product is worth what someone will pay for it
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 30th May 2009
OSX should run 14.99, Red Hat should sell support for 29.99 a year?

If someone's willing to pay $400,000 dollars to buy your house, who should I be to complain it's too high?
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Not really
D2 Ultima 1st Jun 2009
Someone who has a ton of cash can buy things easily. If those people generate the value of a product, the poorer sections of society would suffer greatly. In my country, an XP professional disc is $1200. A Windows Vista Home Premium disc is $1100. Not to mention ultimate discs. My currency is less than 1/6 the value of US currency, and there are other places wherein the value of their dollar is even less. Countries with a low dollar value don't always make a lot of relative cash. I make less than $400 USD a month at my job, why should I have to pay $177 USD + retail-store-added price + added price for being shipped to this country for a single operating system? It's far too expensive, and MS definitely would not lower prices for the "few" of us who legitimately don't have.

Linux is free, Macs are for idiots with big pockets who feel that it's the best thing to buy if one has the money for it, and windows is for the average person who doesn't want to take a chance with linux, doesn't have the billions of dollars to give to apple or simply wants everything they put on it to work. Microsoft has done well with Vista from SP1 and onward, windows XP was not so bad before SP3 and Windows 7 looks like it's shaping up to be a nice, user friendly OS. That doesn't mean it should cost hundreds of US dollars because some people would happily pay for it simply because they have
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You're an idiot
DeusExMachina Updated - 1st Jun 2009
People who use macs are idiots?
Yeah, tell that to the US Army, the vast majority of people who work in
the biosciences, including bioengineering and pharmaceutical design,
mathematicians, physicists, not to mention videographers,
graphic designers, photographers, and musicians.

Seriously, the stats are quite clear about the demographics about mac
purchases, and they simply don't bear out your ridiculous assertion.
Being that I have friends who work at the JPL and Lawrence Livermore,
as well as some on food stamps, all of whom use macs, your trolling is
not only pointless, it is way off base.
(typed on my macbook pro, that probably cost less than that crappy
netbook you're drolling over.)
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LOL You are an IDIOT!!
Horus418 5th Jun 2009
Macs for people on Food Stamps! LMAO Buy a Mac and do whatever you think is good at then look at the other 99% using PC's and doing it cheaper, faster, more graphic/system resources, larger array of software and well show me a Mac server?

Sorry you get a nice case that your slow expensive piece of plastic that breaks too readily, has GREAT BIG holes for nice friendly hackers to get through. The joy to and hang around with strange people who wait outside Apple shops to buy the brand new over hyped, over priced, plastic, made in USA assembled Taiwan piece, environmentally rotten Apple fodder.

I'll stick to my PC running three OS doing the job twice as fast, 1/4 the price and not full of fashion computer victims. BUY A REAL PC!
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Tell it to the strawman
DeusExMachina Updated - 10th Jun 2009
In your mad rush to spout your blather, you seem to have neglected to
actually read what I wrote. As such, good job with the strawman
arguments.
First, I did not say that macs were for people on food stamps. I said
that I know people who are on them who have and use macs. This is a
direct logical contradiction to the claim that only rich people use
macs. Clearly this statement is false.
Second, you may wish to check your facts. Windows does not have
99% of the market. Not even close. It does not even have 99% of the
enterprise market. All hyperbole aside, please take your PC and look
at the vast majority of researchers in the biosciences, including
genetic engineering, and pharmaceutical design who use macs. Or try
physics, where macs abound. Or try going to DefCon. Hackers and
security researchers left and right with macbook pros. This leaves out
of the discussion photographers, graphic artists, videographers, etc.,
where the mac is the system of choice.
This is not to say that Wintel boxes do not predominate many
businesses, but your claims that 99% of people in all industries use
Windows is completely specious, misinformed, and quite frankly,
dumb.
As for a mac server, you seriously need to get your facts straight.
XServe has been around for years, running OSX Server. Show you one?
Sure:
http://www.apple.com/xserve/

As for the rest of your asinine diatribe, first, my machine is made of
aluminum, not plastic, as is almost the entire mac line, their hardware
fault rate is one of the BEST in the industry, they are number one in
customer satisfaction ratings (and before you make any fanboy
comments, this is amoung switchers, as well) and being based on
UNIX, I would like to hear from you what exactly these big holes in the
OS are. (Certainly, knowledgeable as you are, you can't be talking
about things like P2O, since those were attacks on application vectors,
not the OS, and any hack was locally contained.)
Funny you should quibble about place of manufacture. Please name a
Windows PC manufacturer that is 100% made in the USA (or even
20%, for that matter.)
As for environmentally rotten, Apple has one of the best ecological
track records of any computer company. Even the organization that
launched its "green" attack on Apple concedes that the issue is not
their track record. They chose to go after Apple merely because of
their visibility and popularity.
Feel free to stick to your PC, but you are deluding yourself if you think
that it is twice as fast as the same speced macs. Macs routinely
benchmark as fast or faster running Windows as machines designed to
run it from the ground up. And if you do a spec by spec comparison,
you will not get a PC at 1/4 the price, either (or anywhere close.
Contrary to what ill-informed MS defenders post here, the
components are NOT identical. That is like comparing an Alienware
box to an eMachines all-in-one and saying they are the same.
Alienware boxes cost more for a reason.)
The fashion victims thing is probably true, though, I'll give you that.
We geneticists and neuroscientists are quite a spiffy lot.
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They deny it and talk about how quickly it can change, but it hasn't changed yet. They've been spouting that same line for years. While Macs are an option, they aren't for many people. A Windows-based PC can be had for $300-400. I don't how good Macs are (or not) as I don't use one regularly, but the cost-to-entry is too high for a large segment of the population who are still trying how to figure out where to get money to pay the mortgage and put food on the table. And I advise a number of people who look for computers, so I see a lot of typcial budgets. Even if a large percentage decided to "go Mac", how long do you thing it would take Apple to gear up to fill those orders? Years, I suspect, to take a significant share of the Windows market.

How many companies offer Linux on their end-user computers? The jury is still out on whether it's ready for prime time (I've found some things to be much easier in Ubuntu compared to any version of Windows). But unless most users can have it installed for them, they won't get it. That's just the way it is right now.

PCs are no longer a luxury. The Wall Street Journal just had an article about people who were homeless scrounging to buy computers to allow them to stay connected, look for benefits and try to find housing and jobs. Not as high priority as food and shelter, but still important to a growing number. Even though getting power and Web access is difficult. New York City is equipping shelters with PCs and I expect other cities and privately-run shelters are doing the same.

So Microsoft has a monopoly on an required component for a essential service. How else do they manage to pull in 90% profits? I keep hearing how the company collects most of their revenue from OEMs. So, the price that they charge at retail is trivial. Wow, so that means that the reduced prices that OEMs pay still earns Microsoft those high percentages and BILLIONS of dollars in profits every year. In a country where abusing monopoly powers and anti-trust is illegal.

So, not the same as an individual selling a single house. Even though those prices by buyers, accepted by sellers, approved by banks and packaged as securities by financial institutions are responsible for much of the current crisis. On the other hand, sometimes a house sold for $400K is actually worth the money. That variability alone breaks down your analogy.
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OEM Vista Starter costs $30
marees 1st Jun 2009
That is the price at which I bought in India (including shipping) for my self-assembled Athlon-64 desktop PC. That was the cheapest edition of Windows available in India.
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Why would you buy a Starter edition?
tmsbrdrs 1st Jun 2009
If you're looking for cheap, Ubuntu is free, will ship to you a free, pressed CD and is just as easy, if not easier, to install.

If you're a die hard Windows fan, you wouldn't be going after the cheapest version possible.

Either you're just scared to try something new or you're sticking with Starter for some sado-masochistic reason.
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Poor old Microsoft
Ole Man 1st Jun 2009
still plucks hard on the Windows heartstrings of most sucker's hearts.

They just can't help it!
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Or ...
mdsock@... 1st Jun 2009
Maybe, gee, he can't afford to pay more? Not everyone has the discretionary income many take for granted.
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better yet
tmsbrdrs 1st Jun 2009
You could try reading my comment.

Linux costs zero dollars and a copy of Ubuntu will be shipped, free of all costs including shipping, direct to your door. Windows, all versions, cost money.

If you don't have the discretionary income many take for granted then saving what he spent on Windows Starter by obtaining a legal and free copy of Linux would not be a bad thing.
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The options were really between a pirated edition of windows (max $10 for installation) or the cheapest legal copy of windows ($30 for Vista Starter OEM). This was my primary PC where I have dual boots of multiple versions of Windows OS and Vista Starter OEM is the only legal edition.
I do have a secondary laptop which came pre-installed with Ubuntu and SUSE linux where I found it a great pain to install my card reader and read photos from my XD card. But I can do it very easily with most versions of Windows without even thinking twice.
I dont want to take this into the Windows Vs Linux area. It is just that I wanted the cheapest LEGAL copy of Windows and Vista Starter OEM fitted the bill.
I hope this detailed post clarifies all your queries.
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Sometimes, free is too expensive
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 2nd Jun 2009
Again, remember, Starter is an OEM-only version of Windows. You won't see it on the shelves at your local PC store.

It'll come preinstalled on lower-end netbooks the compete primarily on price.

For everyone else, Home Premium / Ultimate will still be the versions you'll most likely see.
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@marees
tmsbrdrs 2nd Jun 2009
Thanks for the detailed response.

What problems have you had with that card? Did you try the forums? Did you check the hardware?

The problem really could just be a bad card reader on the machine with Ubuntu or SUSE installed.
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Windows tax
marees 2nd Jun 2009
I am not a die-hard windows fan and I hate paying the Windows tax. But I wanted to have atleast 1 LEGAL version of Windows installed on my PC as Windows is my primary OS. I have SUSE and Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on a secondary laptop, but certain essential software/hardware dont work so easily with them. So I wanted to avoid the hassle and have some peace of mind. Also $30 was the maximum TAX I was willing to pay.
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If purchased with a PC ...
mwagner@... 1st Jun 2009
... Windows does cost about $35! Microsoft doesn't WANT you to buy Shrink-Wrapped Windows because it costs their OEMs money, which ultimately hurts Microsoft more than it hurts them to lose a few hard-core customers to Linux because the Windows SKUs cost more than some customers are willing to pay.
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if purchased...
mojorison67@... 1st Jun 2009
Not sure but i'd bet good money that MS could care less what their OEM's think about them selling shrink wrapped copies of windows. I am sure that if you ask them they will say that they are perfectly happy with the money they make off of store sales.
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Don't need to invent anything......
linux for me 30th May 2009
You supply more than enough targets to shoot at.
If you ask me NBMers are a special kind of fool. Everbody knows that 3 app rule was ridiculous and only hurts the consumer but they defended it tooth and nail. Now why would you defend something that restricts you? If it weren't for the "ABMers" trumpeting Linux and the few brave NBMer souls that stood up and said something MS would never have lifted this restriction. Do you see how to get things you want now NBMers? Its not by defending stuff that even MS knows is stupid.

As for needing to invent stuff....no need. As I've said many times. I've been running Win 7 on the next V desktop (once again something it doesn't do). And it simply isn't worth the money. Its like a subset of what I already have.
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hmmmm
paul_bruford@... 1st Jun 2009
okay I give up, but as you are a linux user you must have more than a few arguements in favour of using something that limits you... else you'd put your hand in your pocket and get windows happy
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As a die hard Linux user, I am delighted to see Windows users get a progressively better deal. MS could give Windows away and I still wouldn't use it, but I WOULD be delighted to see that happen and to see Windows users benefit from it.
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The conspiracy
mikefarinha 29th May 2009
It makes me wonder if Microsoft announced the 3 app limit to the dismay of the tech elite so they could grip about it. Then from the 'feed-back' by the tech elite Microsoft decided to listen to it's critics and remove the 3 app limit to the joy of everyone.
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New Coke, Coke Classic ...
MisterMiester Updated - 29th May 2009
(NT)
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no conspiracy
eggmanbubbagee@... 30th May 2009
because the need to somehow cripple such an inexpensive version of Windows is so obvious - it still isn't clear how MS intends to make any money on netbooks and if netbooks really take off and starter edition starts eating full Windows lunch this could be a big problem. Looks like MS instead decided to use system specs as a way to try to limit Starter.
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Then Users Will Complain
bobiroc 29th May 2009
When their netbook runs like crap because they were duped into buying it because they were told it was a laptop/notebook and they cannot understand why it is so slow compared to other computers running the same applications. I had a user the other day that absolutely wanted a netbook because it was small and light take the netbook and slam it on the desk so hard that it cracked the case and messed up the LCD screen. Her reasoning for doing it was because it was so slow and she had Word, Outlook, Excel, Internet Browser, and Adobe Acrobat all open. She was trying to edit and merge some documents from the other applications into a PDF newsletter and it was taking too long.

I kept my cool and reminded her that I told her from the beginning they call it a netbook because it is primarily designed for lower end applications like Inter[b}NET based apps and not designed for graphic work. Her response was well this has a 1.6Ghz processor (Atom) and her laptop is only 200Mhz faster (1.8 Core 2 Duo) so it should not be that much slower.

This is my problem with Netbooks. Many many people do not understand their functions and despite some being told what they are all about like I did with this lady they still do not listen. Now she has a $400 paperweight because I refuse to replace it unless she pays for it.
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What you have is a problem with stupid people. I have the same problem, takes a lot of hand-holding to get them to the point I'm willing to leave them alone for more than a few minutes with their own system.
core limitations, and the memory limitations. Well, all the limitations.
...on normal desktops and laptops, meaning they could rip off customers, charging Starter on desktops for the same price of Home Premium or Pro, the versions used on desktops and laptops.
"they could rip off customers, charging Starter on desktops for the same price of Home Premium or Pro, the versions used on desktops and laptops."

That's what consumer watchdogs are there to prevent. Remember what happened with all those "Vista capable" machines that really weren't? People actually notice when customers are being ripped off.
..limitations, i mentioned that it "would be nice to take them away", but this is the only logical reason i have found for putting these limits to the os.
I`m not in favor of them, actually i would probably use Starter Edition on my actual laptop, not on a netbook, if it wasn`t for those limitations. It does/runs everything i need from my laptop (Office/Mail (outlook)/IM, some basic photo editing etc.) and is probably going to be cheap (if it keeps the same Xp pricing, 15 bucks)
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Try thinking "price"
Zogg 30th May 2009
"but this is the only logical reason i have found for putting these limits to the os."

Imposing artificial limits on Starter allows MS to sell it for less. The kind of price that MS would like to sell Windows 7 for simply doesn't make commercial sense on machines such as netbooks, which need to retail for a few hundred dollars.

Customers would not be hurt at all if Starter could run on ordinary desktops and notebooks, but MS's bottom line would be...
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Oh Please Yourself
mikefarinha 29th May 2009
Are you talking about that 'class action' lawsuit that was denied 'class action' status because the courts realized that people really aren't all that stupid?
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