Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
Summary: Microsoft is making some Windows 8 UI concessions but isn't going so far as to allow users to circumvent the tiled Metro screen altogether.
In the third post on its Windows 8 Start Menu plans, Microsoft officials noted the company will be making some minor modifications to the tiled UI. The question is whether the customizations will be enough to appease users and administrators leery of the new default interface.
An October 11 post on the Building Windows 8 blog conceded that some of the criticisms of the Metro-style Windows 8 interface have given the Windows 8 team food for thought. Post author Marina Dukhon, a senior program manager lead on the Core Experience team, noted that business/enterprise Windows users typically use Start menus customized for them by their administrators.
Dukhon added:
"For Windows 8, we support deployment scenarios that include Start screens with a layout of tiles that matches their business group’s needs, allowing for an even greater number of pinned apps to be pre-defined for their users. We also support the managed lockdown of customization of the Start screen so that it is consistent across the corporation. These features have been built especially for our enterprise customers, taking into account the existing functionality that we have provided in the past and the needs that we perceive they will have in the future. And as many know, tech-savvy individuals can use these customizations as well."
Dukhon also noted that Microsoft is adding a more Folder-like conventions for organizing apps to make it quicker and easier for users to search their Windows 8 PCs. She included in her post the "latest design of the Apps screen, which would add back the structure that you’re used to with folders in All Programs today." Here's a screen shot of what those changes look like:
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There's still no direct answer in today's blog post as to whether Microsoft will allow admins to use Group Policy settings to circumvent the Windows 8 tiled interface altogether and default to the Desktop app with the more familiar Windows 7-like interface. This was a request of a number of the posters who've commented on Microsoft's previous Windows 8 Start Screen posts.
Reading between the lines, I'd say this option is unlikely. Microsoft's stance seems to be that the current Windows 8 Developer Preview experience -- with its acknowledged current lack of real and compelling Metro-style apps -- shouldn't be used as the yardstick for those calling for a way to circumvent the tiled UI.
I'm thinking Microsoft's final answer will be that the Windows 8 Metro UI will be the only default for all Windows 8 users, based on this part of Dukhon's post:
"(I)f your main goal is still to use desktop apps, you can easily do this by clicking the Desktop tile and using the taskbar, or you can customize the Start screen to put your favorite desktop apps at the beginning of the Start screen and launch them directly. It is important to keep this in mind—today you might be going to the desktop so you can immediately get to the task bar. You can always put the taskbar apps on the Start screen and launch (or switch) from there, or just put the first one you always use right there in a Fitts-friendly location."
The rest of Dukhon's post is chock-full of stats and telemetry details, if that's your kind of thing.
Speaking of Building Windows 8 blog posts, Ars Technica's Peter Bright posted an explainer on Microsoft's Windows 8 memory-management changes that's worth a read ... or three.
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RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
I agree, the start screen has the same guiding philosophy as the start menu and on certain grounds, more powerful and intuitive. I believe the major criticism comes from some peoples' aversion to change (mostly headstrong powerusers) and to an extent I understand their situation but what they're insisting on would only cripple Microsoft in the long term as the personal computing world evolves to new user experience paradigms.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
The company I work for had their own programers that wrote the software for us. The software program at that time was new and I got to work with the programmer to tweak it to our plants needs. Their was a change i requested after about six months of using it which was implemented. The first week I hated it. (it changed all my input methods which I was used to) Which made me less productive. The second week my productivity came back.
By the third week I was more productive than ever. Not to mention the people who had to deal with my output became more productive.
So while I didn't care for win 8 at first I decided to give it a chance. I use it at home almost exclusively, and what I have found is that the start screen combined with the old taskbar works well and gives you more options to organize your programs and ease of access. And if microsoft can get phones, tablets and desktops to play nice with each other that is another bonus.
So I ask that those who can, at home simply put give a serious try for a month. While I agree the start screen is fugly on a desktop, and their are some quirks to the start screen and desktop remember this hasn't hit beta yet and is a work in progress.
Just as i kept running xp until win 7 came out, I will most likely keep win 7 on my desktop, but I am interested in a win 8 tablet and phone.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
I disagree. If you're in the desktop you can pin the apps to the taskbar. If you're using metro apps you won't gain anything from having shortcuts because all your tiles will display when you click Start anyway. And you'd be mixing shortcuts with 'charms', which could be confusing and messy.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
Wrong lines. Here's a proof you can already do it. http://weblogs.asp.net/sfeldman/archive/2011/10/04/windows-8-in-desktop-mode.aspx
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
I agree, it is not pretty, but it definitely allows Desktop mode only, proving that the article is not accurate and desktop only mode with "classical" menu is possible (quote "Reading between the lines, I???d say this option is unlikely.").
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
Users want the start menu because they do not see themselves using non desktop applicatons. They think they will be in the desktop all of the time as they are now. If Office (Word, Outlook, Powerpoint, Excel ) are not updated to metro style apps they they are probably right. If there is no story for muti-tasking apps in metro for PC usage (Large monitor, dual monitor) then I think the critics are right the Desktop will stay as the default experience, and switching to the Metro start screen will always seem weird, and out of place.
For my money the fix is to demo multi tasking on Win 8 Metro for non tablet use.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
I use the start screen maybe once a day. Other than that I use Windows 8 just like I used Windows 7.
People who don't like the new start screen can easily avoid it by pinning their apps to the taskbar or creating desktop shortcuts. It's not difficult.
So, making me have to take extra steps to disable
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
Far more people than simply professional devs appear to have downloaded this pre-beta version. Are you getting any impression that MS is taking any notice of what these uber early adopters are saying in the various blogs? Or is MS only paying attention to what the "official" devs say?
Which begs the question...
Who on Earth does MS think the "official devs" are developing <i>for</i>?
"testers"
Gee, just think...
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
And I'm really really sick of hearing the old nut about some people being afraid of change. I am all for change and improvements, but some things are tried and true. How many of you would drive a car without windows, just because it's "the next new thing"?
There's a lot to like about windows 8 so far, and I'm sure when it does release all of these little things will be addressed either by Microsoft, third parties or little hacks.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
Um...Windows 8 does have the task bar. If you want to use Windows 8 as a traditional desktop OS you can. I barely even see the new Start screen because I use the taskbar for the apps I use 95% of the time.
RE: Microsoft to make some tester-requested Windows 8 UI concessions
The real question here is: How many companies wo make an automobile without windows?? My countrymen, that is the question???