Microsoft: 'We do not copy Google's results'
Summary: On February 1, Google went public (via SearchEngineLand.com) with claims that Microsoft is copying Google search results with Bing. Microsoft is denying the charge, but has yet to provide specifics in its own defense.
On February 1, Google went public (via SearchEngineLand.com) with claims that Microsoft is copying Google search results with Bing.
Google's 'Bing Sting' evidence (screenshots)
(SearchEngineLand has details of how Google created a "Bing Sting" operation to try to catch Microsoft in the act.)
Is Microsoft copping to the claim? Here's the original response Microsoft is providing to folks who are asking:
"We use multiple signals and approaches in ranking search results. The overarching goal is to do a better job determining the intent of the search so we can provide the most relevant answer to a given query. Opt-in programs like the toolbar help us with clickstream data, one of many input signals we and other search engines use to help rank sites," said Stefan Weitz, Director, Bing.
(Update: Matt Rosoff at Silicon Alley Insider has some good historical perspective on how Microsoft has been using its toolbar add-on for Internet Explorer to keep tabs on search terms and topics.)
I went back and asked the Bing folks again, noting that I couldn't figure out if this was a verbose way of admitting Bing was copying or a denial.
Here's the new statement, attributable to a company spokesperson:
"We do not copy Google's results."
I'm expecting there could be a longer and more detailed answer, via a blog post or a statement during today's Farsite 2011 future of search event. If Microsoft isn't copying Google's results, how do they explain the results of the "Bing Sting"? No word so far.
In the interim, the motto of today's story: The direct answer is almost always the best answer.
Update No. 2: And here it is: Microsoft has posted its explanation of how it uses more than 1,000 different "signals" to create its search algorithm. An excerpt of a blog post from Harry Shum, Bing Corporate Vice President:
"To be clear, we learn from all of our customers. What we saw in today’s story was a spy-novelesque stunt to generate extreme outliers in tail query ranking. It was a creative tactic by a competitor, and we’ll take it as a back-handed compliment. But it doesn’t accurately portray how we use opt-in customer data as one of many inputs to help improve our user experience."
The evidence
Google's search engine looked for the word 'tarsorrhaphy' after 'tarsoraphy' was typed into the search box.
A search on Bing for the misspelled word came up with the exact same results. Here is Google's comment.
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Pretty massive fail
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
I wouldn't call it nonsense. Even if they are using Google's results to help rank sites, isn't that akin to Google using Yahoo's directory to help rank sites?
The only thing this 'experiment' proves to me is that Google can and does manipulate search results. How deep that rabbit hole goes is anyone's guess.
Google doesn't "manipulate search results"
Google created a scenario where nonsensical terms were manually linked to a honeypot page result. This manual linkage would have immediately broken if organic search patterns naturally bumped other results higher.
Google did nothing except prove that Microsoft uses click-through data captured from IE and the Bing toolbar to piggyback on Google's superior search algorithm.
If anyone actually needed additional proof that Bing is nothing but a lame Google knock-off, here it is.
Rational Guy. Google has piggy-backed on Windows from it's start
Google would be nothing w/o the Windows infrastructure on which it operates. And Google has flaunted that in the past. I think MS should piggyback Google as much as possible and find a way to use Google futher for their own gains, as Apple, SUN, Google and hundreds of other companies have done with the Windows infrastructure and customer base.
Seems turn-about is NOT fair play with Google.
They run crying and whining to whoever will listen every chance they get. They continue to do so to the DoJ but continue to be shown the door. Considering Google is the main aim of the DoJ Anti-Trust's top cop, I don't think MS has much to fear going forward.
Google is the new Microsoft in the eyes of the DoJ and Ms. Varney has been quoted saying as much.
Maybe this is Schmidt's doing because he's mad that he got kicked out of the CEO position and can't be the "man" to fight it out with Microsoft. He has deep seated hatred that he can no longer flip his tie around over with that smirk in inteviews. He has to miss that.
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
Today, Matt Cutts completely dodged the assertion that Google does the exact same thing -- collecting usage statistics -- with the Google Toolbar and Chrome. It is completely disingenuous to call it "copying".
Google gamed Bing plain and simple. Does that mean that Bing has an issue? Probably. Does that mean they're "copying Google". Put simply: no. I would wager that I could put a gobbledy-gook link on my website and click it with the Bing bar installed and it would be indexed in Bing. Does that mean that Bing is copying me? If I got 20 people to click on the link with the Bing bar installed it would probably happen even faster.
The sad thing is that Google took 20 engineers to deduce that Bing toolbar is collecting what users type and what links they click on.
It's a sham.
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
This is totally different. We are talking about search and not "iconic colors" in the logo. This is plagiarism and coming from Microsoft, doesn't surprise me a bit...
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
Well "unless you are clueless" you haven't noticed burger king, KFC and mcdonalds all use similar iconic colors to each other either (facepalm).
"Google would be nothing w/o the Windows infrastructure" you don't think software and browser vendors are forced rather than choose to work with Microsoft's monolithic desktop OS? And you don't think Microsoft loves that these would be "nothing w/o "the Windows infrastructure"? And you don't think this hurts consumers?? (triple facepalm)
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
Well "unless you are clueless" you haven't noticed burger king, KFC and mcdonalds all use similar iconic colors to each other either (facepalm).
"Google would be nothing w/o the Windows infrastructure" You don't think software and browser vendors are forced rather than choose to work with Microsoft's monolithic desktop OS? And you don't think Microsoft loves that these would be "nothing w/o "the Windows infrastructure"? And you don't think this hurts consumers?? (triple facepalm)
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
The Windows infrastructure on which Google operates?
You do realize that Google's server farms run linux, right?
Usage statistics ...
<i>Today, Matt Cutts completely dodged the assertion that Google does the exact same thing -- collecting usage statistics -- with the Google Toolbar and Chrome.</i>
Has it been shown that Google collects usage statistics on Bing click-throughs and integrates the data into its search algorithm?
No.
<i>The sad thing is that Google took 20 engineers to deduce that Bing toolbar is collecting what users type and what links they click on.</i>
It's actually incredible that Google figured out this was going on at all, given the amount of search term noise in which Microsoft was able to hide its shady practices.
<i>It's a sham.</i>
The only sham is Bing. They got caught red handed. Plain and simple.
RE: Microsoft: 'We acutally are copying Googles results'
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
Saying Bing is on a roll is a bit of a stretch. For example, search for my favorite restaurant, Shealy's BBQ, in both engines. Only one returns the restaurant website on the first page, and it ain't Bing.
Reasons like this that I have gone back to Google for all my searches.
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Great BBQ
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
Keep on clicking on it in Google though, eventually it will show up in Bing.
Maybe that's the issue?
Google doesn't want the competition, and bing's on a roll, so maybe anything they can do to discourage search "defectors" is worth doing?
A roll?
Bing still isn't even close to 10% market share. Any claims that it's on a role would idicate a severe misunderstanding of what being on a roll means. If by "on a roll" you mean it's being eaten alive by Google then yes, like fresh lobster meat smothered in mayo and drizzled with lemon they really are "on a roll". In the same vein, Linux on the enterprise desktop is on a roll, AOL is on a roll, Mel Gibsons career is on a roll , the political career of Hosni Mubarak is on a roll and album sales of Eilert Pilarm's Greatest Hits are on a roll.
Oh yeah, they're on a roll
RE: Microsoft: 'We do not copy Googles results'
The evidents (screen shots) do not show that Bing is copying, but show that Bing is powerful.
Everything on the Web is searchable. If Google creates a new page and it shows in Bing shortly, it means Bing is fast and good.