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Microsoft Windows boss shares more hints on Windows 8 features

By | August 17, 2011, 2:12pm PDT

Summary: Microsoft has 35 different feature teams building Windows 8. The list provides some new official confirmation and additional clues on what to expect with the next Windows release.

Microsoft Windows President Steven Sinofsky is continuing to trickle out introductory posts on the new “Building Windows 8″ blog. In the August 17 installment, he shared — as he did three years ago with Windows 7 — a list of the feature teams building the next version of Windows.

Sinofsky blogged that Microsoft has 35 different feature teams, each with 25 to 40 developers, plus testers and program managers — in the Windows 8 organization. The word “feature” may mean an area or a component in Windows. Here’s the Windows 8 feature-team list:

App Compatibility and Device Compatibility
App Store
Applications and Media Experience
App Experience
Core Experience Evolved
Device Connectivity
Devices & Networking Experience
Ecosystem Fundamentals
Engineer Desktop
Engineering System
Enterprise Networking
Global Experience
Graphics Platform
Hardware Developer Experience
Human Interaction Platform
Hyper-V
In Control of Your PC
Kernel Platform
Licensing and Deployment
Media Platform
Networking Core
Performance
Presentation and Composition
Reliability, Security, and Privacy
Runtime Experience
Search, View, and Command
Security & Identity
Storage & Files Systems
Sustained Engineering
Telemetry
User-Centered Experience
Windows Online
Windows Update
Wireless and Networking services
XAML

So what’s new and different here?

First, because the Softies have shared so few details so far about Windows 8 (even though there’s been lots of hacking and speculation about what’s inside, thanks to leaked slides and builds), many things that Microsoft pundits consider to be known about Windows 8 still haven’t gotten the “official” nod.

As of today, we now know for sure that there will be an App Store in Windows 8 (something we’ve expected since June 2010). “Hyper-V” seems to confirm that Hyper-V will be built into the client and server versions of Windows 8. And the inclusion of XAML — developers of which were reorg’d into the Windows division earlier this summer — may give those with .Net and Silverlight expertise another glimmer of hope that the Windows 8 development story won’t be just about HTML5 and JavaScript.

For some guesses on my part: “In Control of Your PC” could mean a lot of things, possibly even that Windows 8 will include built-in support for the Kinect sensor. “Search, View and Command” also could be Kinect-related, given Microsoft’s recent demos and pronouncements about Tellme voice support being built into Windows 8. “Windows Online” has me most intrigued, especially given that it is listed separately from “Windows Update.”

For comparison’s sake, here’s a list of some of the feature teams that Sinofsky provided in August 2008 when he first began blogging about Windows 7:

Applets and Gadgets
Assistance and Support Technologies
Core User Experience
Customer Engineering and Telemetry
Deployment and Component Platform
Desktop Graphics
Devices and Media
Devices and Storage
Documents and Printing
Engineering System and Tools
File System
Find and Organize
Fundamentals
Internet Explorer (including IE 8 down-level)
International
Kernel & VM
Media Center
Networking - Core
Networking - Enterprise
Networking - Wireless
Security
User Interface Platform
Windows App Platform

Windows 8 sleuths: What else do you glean (if anything) from Sinofsky’s latest blog post? One of my Twitter chums, Martin Anderson, notes that it looks like Media Center has disappeared from the feature list with Windows 8, which may surprise some, but seem like a sad confirmation to others.

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RE: Microsoft Windows boss shares more hints on Windows 8 features
makrekdw45-24353611923087901074498125825970 10th Nov
cugpzl,good post!
Nice, can't wait.
@Rama.NET: ... to cut through the sh*t.

At Apple, people who have "vision" like Jobs can always come and threw away as many features as possible to make a clean, consistent features and user experience instead of over the top thing.

WP7 is an attempt to follow in this direction; lets see if Microsoft will be able to continue it with Windows 8 -- 35 teams is too much for that. While teams have their own roles, in reality they all ask for UI features in lesser or bigger degree.
@DeRSSS - "At Apple, people who have "vision" like Jobs can always come and threw away as many features as possible to make a clean, consistent features and user experience "

...then please explain Lion - unquestionably one of the biggest hodge-podge mix-in desktop OS' to date.
@bitcrazed: ... under the burden of conflicting features, excessive UI elements and non-consistent navigation.
@DeRSS - you REALLY think that the shoe-horning of iOS's grid of icons UI metaphor into Lion doesn't fall under "excessive UI elements and non-consistent navigation"?

And how about the inversion of the touchpad by default, the forcing of auto-save, iPad-ification of Mail and Address book, etc.

Lion is a dog's dinner - a messy hodge-podge of OSX and iOS features with little rhyme or reason to their design.

I guess we're starting to see the results of Steve (sadly) spending less time directing efforts at Apple.
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Windows 8 "Portal" screen
scH4MMER 18th Aug
The new Start screen is a huge improvement over desktop shortcuts and toolbar icons... plus the full Start Menu is underneath so we can still get to everything. I can't wait to have my customized dashboard greet me when I login every day!
Nice, can't wait.

I can.
it would sure be nice if they would fix their genuine windows software so it would actually be reliable and then support it afterwards. too much to ask I guess
@chetbr
They did...in 2009. It's called "Windows 7".

You can bing it if you like...
@reklissrick That post is so full of pwnage. Nice job, sir!
@Lamerz Nice about what? @chetbr was being sardonic.
@chetbr
you have been away from Windows too long to say that, top notch reliability .. it would be hard to sell over 400 million copies of unreliable OS in these market
@ninjacut Say what ?? Tell that to both Windows7 came installed on my laptops, one intel i7 with 8Gig Ram, and one mini-notebook (LG) dual core... Ive lost too many work on the i7 to keep count due to crashes and just locking up. My XP runs more reliable that this Windows7 ....
@antonfh - If you're having lockups and crashes on your systems running Windows 7 then there's something very wrong with those systems and it's *NOT* Windows 7. What software are you using? Is it Windows that's crashing (BSOD, if so then look failing hardware {new computers can come with bad hardware} or badly written drivers for marginal hardware) or the software that's crashing? If it's the latter, how old or new is the software? Was it written for Windows 9x or at the start of the Windows XP product cycle?
@antonfth, if that's really the case, which I doubt, you should quit buying the open box specials that have been dropped and played with in the store for a year before you get them. I've built a LOT of Win7 machines for very inexperienced users, and none have had any such issues, they run well and smoothly for all. Either you're buying junk machines, or you're incredibly inept and would blame your car for running into a brick wall when you steered it there.

Bogus post, antonfth, try posting something halfway believable.
@antonfh: Then you better look at whatever software you are installing, at the websites you frequent, or at the hardware you purchased. I have a Dell 8400 I purchased in 2004 that had XP on it, and I upgraded it to Win7 about 6 months ago. The machine itself is original hardware except for a cheap Geforce 210 I put in to replace the original vid card I had after the cooling fan crapped out on it. I leave the machine running 24/7 and I've never had a single crash, bsod, or even minor hiccup. I didn't experience that with XP either with SP3, but Win7 installed flawlessly, I didn't have to go download ANY drivers after the fact at all, and it runs just as well if not a little better than XP did on this machine.
@chetbr It's reliable for me. Maybe you just have some junky hardware?
@chetbr
Sounds like a user issue.
@kris_stapley@... Beautiful
@kris_stapley@... PBKAC (Problem Between Keyboard And Chair)
@kris_stapley@...
Maybe he's running Lion. I hear its all full of fail. happy
Of course his response is probably going to be "not uh its been perfectly fine on MY machine"
@chetbr Are you running Win95?
@chetbr
there are automobile drivers out there who whine that their cars don't work well...they also never change their oil and is surprise when you ask them the last time they changed their oil. People who know what they are doing generally have no problems running windows. People who don't know what they are doing....they end up buying apples. I prefer oranges anyway.
I'd like to see a demo of W8 with a keyboard/mouse instead of a touchscreen. Seems to work great with a touchscreen, and they preach it will work great with a keyboard/mouse, but let's see it. I can't imagine a high percentage of users will be using the touchscreen. And let's face it, on screen keyboards just plain suck.
@mike2k ... not all onscreen keyboard suck. I actually REALLY like the one built into Windows Phone 7/7.5. It's remarkably accurate, even for my big hands.

But I agree. As excited as I am to see and experience the changes, I'm very skeptical on the new GUI in a keyboard/mouse environment... I need to see more, so I'm trying to be patient.
@GoodThings2Life

Touchscreen keyboards are fine for thumb/finger typing on a mobile device, but no one is going to be typing a research paper on a 24" monitor.
@mike2k ... you're absolutely right, no argument there. However, I currently carry an HP 2740p Tablet PC with Windows 7 on it, and I find it very efficient and effective to do short IM/email conversations on-the-go while converting it to laptop mode when I need to get serious work done. Have been using tablets for 7 years now, so I can't help but laugh at how Apple, Google, and Microsoft are just suddenly "getting it" ... amazing that Gates was right all those years ago now when he proposed the tablet vision.
@mike2k I've seen at least one video showing the new GUI being used with a mouse. It's horrible, but that's why you can simply ignore the new GUI if you are using a mouse/keyboard.
@mike2k
Agreed that a physical keyboard is a must for anyone skilled enough to type without needing to look at the keyboard. I assume it will work similar to the Zune software and Media Centre, as far as the mouse control goes.
@mike2k
I wouldn't worry about mouse/keyboard. The platform HAS to be good for software developers. And we're not doing software development on a lameO vitural keyboard. If that ends up being the trend I'll become a nurse.
@mike2k Why wouldn't it work with a mouse, the new interface isn't really new, its a concept that has been present since Windows 1.0. Windows has always been capable of grouping like programs under one header, Accessories and Games are examples, but the capability of grouping like programs within one container has always been there. Its just not widely used by anyone now, but if you use Linux you see it every day. Windows 8 has just made the group boxes intelligent, able to display data on their own or did you think Microsoft was so arrogant that they insist every user had to buy a touchscreen, that's Apple's method of operation. All my software is grouped under eight headings, I think it will be good that the group level will be live and able to show information, I may not have to open a program to get a bit of information which is always on my desktop. It will also be nice to see a contact maintained in one place even though they may have been entered in several different programs. There will be places where the ability for touch will be nice but for most the day to day interaction will be through the keyboard and a mouse, but for the direction the mouse is going to take check out Microsoft's touch mouse where the whole surface is interactive.
I'm interested in what this new START screen will entail, but I also hope there will be a way to permanently disable it on non-tablet systems.

I also hear Media Center is gone from a recent build. Any clues as to why? I use it heavily and would be heart-broken to see it gone. Might end up being a deal breaker for me.
@Cylon Centurion
There is "Media platform" in windows 8. Maybe it will replace media center. Current set of media software from MS is a bit confusing. They have Media Center, Windows media player and Zune. All of them support some sort of library/catalog functions. I have no idea if they actually use the same format or not but there are these three programs that have essentially the same core functionality. It has to be unified and if media platform does it then it is great.
Losing it would indeed be a MASSIVE DISAPPOINTMENT. I would hate to think theyve decided to drop it and leave it to xbox to pick up. Please MS dont cede the home enteraintment space to apple/google and dont conflate the media entertainment space with the gaming space.
@paul2011 ... I agree with Paul. It's very likely that Zune is going to take a much more center-stage appearance with Windows 8 and between it and Xbox integration it may take the place of Media Center.
@paul2011
Media Center is essentially a shell over WMP. Zune is separate, but can share Windows 7 libraries. It's stupid.

Microsoft look to be bringing an Xbox 'hub' or similar to replace Media Center in Windows 8. I don't expect Media Center functionality to go away, but to be replaced by an experience that links together Xbox and Zune into a single 10-foot media experience.

I may be expecting too much from the slow-moving Microsoft. Maybe the media stuff will be sorted out by the time Windows 10 ships.
@Cylon Centurion "but I also hope there will be a way to permanently disable it on non-tablet systems. "

And I hope you will try it out before disabling it? I prefer to reserve judgement until I've tried something.
@CobraA1
There has been so much panic over the new start menu! In 2 years time you probably won't be able to buy a PC without a touch screen. The majority of Windows users get their copy of Windows with a new PC. The new UI can be used with a mouse and keyboard and, though horrible, is not going to be very different from navigating the current start menu, though the visuals and power are far better.

And, being that it's Microsoft, there is about a 99% chance that the new UI can be disabled if you don't like it.
"In 2 years time you probably won't be able to buy a PC without a touch screen."

I disagree.

"The new UI can be used with a mouse and keyboard and, though horrible"

We don't know it will be horrible. We haven't tried it.

"And, being that it's Microsoft, there is about a 99% chance that the new UI can be disabled if you don't like it."

Agreed.
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Userama 18th Aug
@allusernamestaken
...you probably won't be able to buy a PC without a touch screen." I know nothing about Windows 8 touch implementation, but I do know that a touch screen on a desktop (or laptop) system is an ergonomic nightmare. Try holding your arm out in front of you for 8 hours straight! Also, the OS may be touch-oriented, but how many apps (where you spend the vast majority of your time) will be tailored for touch? Touch is fine for handheld hardware, but seems like a large mistake for the desktop.
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Media Platform
Oslik 18th Aug
@Cylon Centurion While it works for HTPC users quite well, it's time to integrate all MS multimedia software into one coherent package. I expect Zune and Windows Media Player to go away too.

There is a Media Platform developer group listed, so I expect it would be Media Center Next, better integrated with XBox, Windows Phone, Live Services etc. There were some hints Zune brand will disappear this fall, simultaneously with the WP 7.5 Mango release and new XBox Dashboard release, so I hope for the improved "Zune Next" in the coming weeks.
@Cylon Centurion
I also have been using Media Centre for several years as my PVR. That would definetly be a deal breaker for me. People have actually purchased Xbox 360's to use as extenders. I can't see it happening. At least I hope!!
@Cylon Centurion

Yeah I would really like it to stay, it is however not a deal breaker for me, I would just update my machines, except the one machine that is used as a media center, that one would have to continue running win7. Maybe media center is going to be replaced by the zune software ? I sure hope they add the tv tuner functionality to zune, that would be great.

I am especially excited about the possible inclusion of hyper-v into the desktop os, when running multiple vm's concurrently, vm workstation, or virtual box, bring the system to a crawl, whereas the same system with 2008r2 and hyper-v is running great with the exact same number of vm's running, courtesy of the superieur performance of the hypervisor, the sole reason I have 2008r2 in dual boot with win7 on my I7.
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HTML5 and Javascript
paul2011 17th Aug
If HTML5 and Javascript can replace XAML then I can levitate. Only completely non-technical person could even think about this idea. It is like replacing food with picture of food.
@paul2011

Well put. I couldn't care less about the HTML features of W8.
@paul2011

+1

I laughed out loud when I read that, totally agree. Every developer I have talked to agrees with this.
@paul2011 No, it isn't. Don't forget Microsoft is the inventor of AJAX and the producer of the best developer tools on the planet. They are able to improve the HTML5 and Javascript standard and bring stellar tools for them. I'm lookig forward to the result.

And there is still that XAML dev group in the Windows 8 team.

I write this as a C#/C++/XAML dev with a rather minimal JavaScript evperience.
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Looks awesome!
MSFTWorshipper 17th Aug
I have a feeling my next tablet will be a Samsung with Windows 8 on it!
RIP Windows Media Center. The best DVR available.
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makrekdw45-24353611923087901074498125825970 10th Nov
cugpzl,good post!

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