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Microsoft's Office 15: To Metro or not to Metro?

By | January 31, 2012, 9:04am PST

Summary: Will Microsoft make Office 15 a Metro-style app on Windows 8? Inquiring customers and partners would like to know.

The Verge posted on January 31 what author Tom Warren concedes is a rumor — at least at this point — about Office 15 not being a “Metro style” app/suite, but, instead, incorporating some Metro elements to varying degrees in different Office apps.

Whether Microsoft would make Office 15 a Metro application is something Microsoft watchers, partners and customers have been wondering about for more than a year. Metro — in case you need a refresher — is a design language and style that Microsoft is using in a number of its products, from Windows Phone to Windows 8. Metro-style apps, in Windows 8 parlance, are “modern, immersive” apps which are developed using the WinRT Windows runtime that was introduced with Windows 8.

Despite the fact that the Technical Preview of Office 15 for select customers and partners kicked off yesterday, we still don’t know for sure which way(s) the Softies have decided to go with Office 15: Metro, non-Metro or partially Metro.

At the Financial Analyst Meeting (FAM) in September 2011, CEO Steve Ballmer told attendees that Microsoft was “thinking hard” about what it would mean to make Office 15 a Metro-style app. But Ballmer never actually said that Microsoft’s plan was to go this route.

Some folks have assumed that Microsoft would have to go Metro in order to make Office 15 more touch-centric and suited for Windows 8 tablets and touch PCs. But Microsoft design director Steve Kaneko told the Verge late last year that this wasn’t necessarily the case.

From a synopsis of the Kaneko interview on the Verge:

“(The large Metro style interface, designed for touch interaction, doesn’t scale in an obvious way to software like Office that has a lot of dense information. While Metro attempts to eliminate what Microsoft calls ‘chrome’ (superfluous design elements), he says that chrome has traditionally served a functional purpose in crowded applications, and the design team now has to express grouping and visual hierarchy with composition, layout, font scaling, and contrast ratios.”

There’s also, obviously, the need for speed in terms of rolling out the next version of Office. Microsoft officials haven’t said when to expect Office 15 to be generally available (the public beta is due late this summer), but I continue to hear the target is end of calendar 2012. That’s not a whole lot of time to redo Office and all of its many piece parts as Metro-style apps — even if you give the Office team a generous head start and say they potentially could have begun working on a Metro-style Office back in January 2011, when Microsoft first showed off early Windows 8 prototypes.

If Microsoft isn’t redoing Office 15 as a Metro-style app, this means at least the Windows 8 version of Office 15 will be a Desktop app. Desktop apps are “legacy style” Windows apps that are designed to work on x86-based versions of Windows 8. Last we heard officially, there also would be support for Desktop apps on ARM-based Windows 8, but Microsoft officials have declined to confirm this remains the case, after some rumors to the contrary. (Hopefully once Microsoft gets some Windows 8 ARM tablets into the hands of testers, we’ll know for sure.)

Also, last we head, non-Metro-style applications would work on Windows 8 on ARM. However, legacy Windows apps would need to be recompiled/rewritten in order to run on the Windows 8 ARM platform.

So here are my questions after trying to piece this all together:

  • How many different versions of Office 15 for Windows will there be? In other words, will there be an Office 15 for Windows 8 (x86 and/or ARM); plus some kind of Office 15 update SKU for Windows 7 (and maybe Vista)?
  • What about Apple support? Will there be both an Office 15 equivalent for Mac OSX and iOS (the rumored iPad version)?
  • Warren’s Verge piece today mentions a “radial dial” as providing a way for Office 15 users to more easily access the product on touch devices. Whatever this thing is, what does it mean for the Office Ribbon? Is it a replacement? A supplement? Will the dial only work when it senses Office is running on a touch device? Update: Thanks to reader Matthew Miller, we now know that Microsoft has been tinkering with the idea of the “radial dial” since 2007. Here’s a transcript of a Convergence speech by CEO Steve Ballmer where they showed off the dial, a navigation concept from Microsoft’s Center of Information Work. (Miller also found a YouTube video where the radial dial makes an appearance at around the 5:10 mark.)
  • What about Office Web Apps — those Webified versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote? Could Microsoft be (at least) Metro-fying those apps?
  • When, if ever, will Microsoft make Office on PCs/tablets a fully Metro-style app? I’d guess this answer is dependent on when/if Microsoft pulls the plug on Desktop support in Windows itself….

What do you still want to know about Office 15’s “Metro-ness”? Do you think Office 15 be a Metro-style suite? And does it matter if it’s not?

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"(Windows Phone 7 and/or Windows 8)...(is/are) like a joke that needs explanation:...(you can) see the internal logic, but that doesn't make (it/them) funny. "

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jeffa00 31st Jan
We don't know yet if the public will accept Metro. I have personally heard more critics than users sing its praises.

Windows and Office are two key pillars for Microsoft. Will they bet both on Metro at once?

Personally I'd like to see a "lite" version for Metro and a full version for desktop.

I can't warm to Metro on the desktop, I'm afraid. On a tablet, maybe, but not on a desktop.

As a Windows Phone user, I can say I appreciate the concept of Metro and the thought that went into it far more than the actual experience of using it...

For me it is like a joke that needs explanation: I see the internal logic, but that doesn't make it funny.
@jeffa00

"Personally I'd like to see a "lite" version for Metro and a full version for desktop"

My thoughts exactly. Great idea.
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Richard Flude 31st Jan
It would be a brave decision to make desktop / mobile / tablet apps identical. They are used in very different ways.

MS adopting of touch for desktop screen, a bizarre view IMO, may indicate they'd like to head down this path. Hopefully they've a few people with enough sense to recognise the risk (or maybe bring someone in from Apple).
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I think this answers the question of just how "legacy" the legacy desktop app will be. It's looking more and more like most of us will continue business as usual, staring at the same old desktop under Windows 8.

If we don't get a metro version of full-on Office, it raises the question of what market advantage Windows Arm-based tablets will have. The main reason for choosing a Win-8 device over an iPad is, I thought, that you can run the real apps on your tablet, not some lite version with restricted functionality. If they don't have real Office, I'm not sure I'm seeing much advantage for Windows 8 on Arm.

I'm beginning to get this sinking feeling that Win 8 on tablets is going to be a lot like Windows Mobile 6.5, with a beautiful touch-centric upper layer, but where you are constantly dropping into non-touch legacy apps.
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Don't worry about eliminating "desktop" apps and making everything look just like the Metro Start Screen. Yes, Windows 8 includes wonderful new usability and delivery capabilities with Metro, but it would be petty to force complex dense applications to adapt to Metro's fundamentally simplistic purpose. Let each environment play to its own strengths, and be happy that we no longer have to force fundamentally simplistic apps into the cluttered and disconnected desktop environment any more.

Office will still need to advance in terms of touch, but Metro probably isn't the right path.
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I'd be pretty surprised if they were able to go "full" metro, but I can definitely see navigation elements in apps such as Outlook where a partial metro skin would make sense. Having attended //Build and chatted with the Metro designers, there isn't much mind share yet on how to take a "dense" application (the other Pillar that will be interesting is the Dynamics team and their Metro plans) and truly convert to a Metro perspective. The focus of Metro is on highly granular use cases, not complex use cases such as an ERP / Business Productivity tool provide. The general consensus at //Build was that you would lose an exhorbitant amount of efficiency and functionality to get to a Metro theme. in a couple years though... look at some of the Photoshop competitors on the iPad. They aren't even close, but they are getting to the point of compelling at a fraction of the cost.

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???(The large Metro style interface, designed for touch interaction, doesn???t scale in an obvious way to software like Office that has a lot of dense information. While Metro attempts to eliminate what Microsoft calls ???chrome??? (superfluous design elements), he says that chrome has traditionally served a functional purpose in crowded applications, and the design team now has to express grouping and visual hierarchy with composition, layout, font scaling, and contrast ratios.???

Based on the above and other info (see link below) my guess is that MS will be coming out initially with a Win32 Office 15 that is Metro themed, then will later come out with full WinRT Metro Office apps. The quotation above appears to me to strongly indicate that a lot of work is now taking place converting Office into Metro apps. Another thing: MS has to convince ISVs to convert their rich apps (e.g. Photoshop, Autocad) to Metro, and if MS releases Office under the desktop only, these are going to say, "Why should we do it, when MS isn't even doing so?"

Converting Win32 Office apps to WinRT Office Metro apps will take time, and businesses aren't expected to be rushing towards the new apps. My guess is that about 1 to 2 years after Windows 8 is released, we will be seeing WinRT Office Metro apps - beyond OneNote and the Lync client which we will likely see sooner.

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I think it's safe to assume they will implement legacy and metro equally. I don't see Msoft missing an opportunity as big as Win8, and ignoring it's biggest addition of touch.
I strongly doubt there will be a regular full office for ARM anytime soon. For x86 there should not even be metro, implying a touch based interface, other than some theme elements that have nothing to do with functionality. Then they will probably release a simplified touch edition of office, full metro, that's similar to the numerous mobile office apps that already exist for other platforms. There will be no benefit to using MS's touch office over the others, ditto for their tablets in general. I think MS will eventually have to (or should) release mobile office for iPad and android, but the metro functionality may be a problem, as they likely tie the metro stuff tightly to their OS. I see the whole thing as a looming disaster, but will be interesting to watch. MS should have a full top notch touch office suite for ipad and android right now. But they can't because as usual they have to worry about selling windows, which is like half their revenue source and in decline.
This story strongly demonstrates the underlying problem with Microsoft's strategy. Ideally you want to give full desktop power to users that need it (especially when docked with a keyboard and external monitor) but protect users from legacy UI when in tablet mode (because that just causes a repeat of Windows XP Tablet Edition).

The ARM version of Windows 8 has to be about more than just longer battery life, it has to be a new vision of how Microsoft expects people to interact with computers.
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Its not a complete idea, but just something I whipped up in Microsoft PowerPoint.

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It looks so old win 3.1 or a old Apple app and ugly
@Randalllind Remember, the contrast in Windows 8 metro apps is very flat in appearance.
Metro flavor office starter edition and paid full versions in legacy style? A metro office with a subset of functions will compete more directly with the web apps than with business users, which are more likely to go on with the mouse for a long while for editing purposes. Radial dial may be kind of autodesk sketchbook, to me a good option for context menus. Or maybe the ribbon will be minimized with inflating sections (by radial dial we should assume semicircularity?) with more real estate. As one passes over one icon, a secondary layer may appear with related sub options. Frankly, many don't notice the xsmall black arrow at all and this must be fixed. Given the amount of wasted horizontal space with portrait documents on 16:9 screens, some lateral pane may be used for complex options like cell borders, font and style selection, and may be more chatty with users just like the print preview, with short clear sentences about how to do things. Whatever, a main question can be, should there be a radically new ribbon, will it be optional or the only one? Parts of win8 have a mouse style and a touch style suggesting willingness of optimizing for each case. Another main point is how to improve discovery of functions by users, a thing the backstage is good at.
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Of course Office 15 won't be ported to WinRT, this would make it a Windows 8 only release - which would be plain stupid. What's more likely is Office Web Apps will be upgraded to be have functional parity with the desktop versions. We know for sure that Office Web Apps needs to get offline mode and sync, more functionality and collaboration to keep up with Google and ZocDocs. The strategy would be simple:

Use the existing OWA code, use WinJS for the UI elements. OWA is rumored to be written in Script#, so it's possible that a direct WinRT .NET port could happen too.

Release these apps on the app store, maybe for free for Office365 users.

Use a cross-platform HTML framework (like PhoneGap) to port these same apps as hybrid apps to other platforms (iOS, Android etc).

Update OWA in Office 365 and Skydrive.

Rebrand the OWA as part of Office 365. The SkyDrive/FB version of OWA should just be called 'Office 365 Free Edition'. The perception that Google Docs is free and Office365 is putting off adopters.

Upgrade Office 365 Apps (or whatever they'll be called) at least each year. These are targeted at Consumers and BOYD scenarios - not corporates with a longer upgrade cycle.
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There is not a single chance that Microsoft is going to massively modify the Office core code base to support WinRT (Metro). Meanwhile, chances are they will embrace the Metro appearance to some extent.
Therefore, if a Metro Office is to be created, it will be a completely separate product. Also, I do hope Microsoft understands how vital this Metro version is for Windows 8 to succeed on the tablet market. Without it, I can assure you the competition (Apple) will simply perform its final foray into businesses and that will unfortunately be unstoppable.
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Go Metro! If you are going to be using the Metro interface on Microsoft Windows 8 anyway might as well make the apps for it with the same interface. When people see the benefits of Metro they will be asking for all apps like that. You need to ask the question, will Metro make my life easier? Yes.
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I don't think it's possible to port a complex, dense application like Office or Visual Studio to the Windows Runtime at the moment because of its current limitations: The set of APIs is incomplete, and the restrictions it comes with (sandboxed applications, no direct file system access, etc.) aren't just suitable for "power-applications". You want to access a file or document outside of the users library? Not possible. You want to use your legacy code which calls native file system APIs? Possible but forbidden, because your app won't be accepted in the Windows Store making use of these APIs. The Metro profile for .NET 4.5, for example, is also too limited to create applications that can deeply interact with the system.

Plus, the current presentation paradigm of Metro is a step backwards in multi-tasking (two applications at a time maximum, no direct access to all running applications because there is no taskbar in Metro), you have to swipe through all applications which can be tiring if there are many of them running. You can imagine this by yourself: Let's say you have five open applications on the Desktop you need to get something done - it's easy to switch between all of them in any order because they are all there in the taksbar at any time. Now: How do you do that with five Metro applications? You have to swipe... maybe another time... oh, damn, I was too fast and missed it - now I have to swipe through all applications again to get to the one I wanted. That's bad usability.

All these things need to be changed if Metro shall replace the Desktop at some point in the future. Otherwise, I don't see it coming.
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It's a wait and see proposition!
I don't care whether it Metro's or not. Am still getting adjusted to Office 2010 and may not ever get beyond it. I still have my Office 2000 discs. That was the one that had the best results for me, and dead low overhead as well. Sure, I could buy more memory, but that doesn't eliminate the steep learning curve of 2010 and, I suspect, 2015. But my requirements are simple and don't reach beyond Word.
To Metro or not to Metro is something to look out for. But then with so many versions releasing every now and then it's a big concern. There is value addition definitely but how many versions more????? Anyways I see a lot of start ups coming in this league, Products like CollateBox http://www.collatebox.com/ and Perforce are looking very fresh!!Have a look at them!
Mary Jo,

You and Paul often argue over how complex word is and how it distracts from the writing experience, and diverts creativity and productivity away from the task at hand. But if they made a Metro version of Office that was slimmed down, followed the Metro guidelines about Content focused I believe it would be a huge success. When you are ready to 'Publish' you can drop back into the full version (Desktop) make the necessary changes, run grammar and spell check, etc. To me this would be ideal...Although at some point I would like to see them embrace Metro fully to really push the Metro interface on Windows 8, because IMO Metro won't really do that well until their signature applications are fully embracing it!
Mary Jo,

Microsoft must absolutly integrate Metro in all aspect of Windows 8! This is the future.

I mean Microsoft must absolutly change the Aero Desktop theme by a Metro Desktop theme in the Desktop part of Windows 8 too. That does not mean that Office applications must be completaly redesigned to be use on tablet based PC, but at least they should look Metro by using the Windows Desktop Theme Manager using a Merto theme...
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How many people use Office applications that aren't maximised?

Word, Excel, Outlook, Powerpoint are classic examples of applications that adopt a Sovereign posture - occupying the whole screen and being used for extended periods of time - what MS calls Immersive.

With the adoption of the Ribbon they are more suited to tablet use, with the commonly used functions accessible through large buttons. Now they are adding a radial menu, possibly as a refinement of the existing MiniBar idea.

In many ways the office application UIs are ahead of the curve for the Metro Style.

Now I agree that there are probably numerous technical reasons why the applications might not be immediately ported to WinRT, although I'd imagine MS will want to do that in time, if for no other reason than to prove WinRT as an API.

However if Office were to adopt an immersive UI on the desktop (perfectly possible) would users be able to tell the difference between that and a WinRT app? Go one further, would they use the applications significantly differently than they do now?

It should not be forgotten that all the key people that brought you the Ribbon are now developing the Win8 UI, and I doubt if they are doing anything that would have had them tearing their hair out as Office UI developers.
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More Metro!
metromalenyc 2nd Feb
I'd definitely be disappointed if there isn't a Metro version of Office, but it wouldn't stop me from buying a tablet/hybrid, like the Yoga. Most likely, I wouldn't use the Metro version very often... but it'd be nice to have the option.

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