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So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?

By | November 22, 2010, 8:18am PST

It was just about a year and a half ago that Google started talking up plans for its Chrome OS. As I recall, a number of bloggers and reporters began tolling the death knell for Windows at that time, claiming Google’s “operating-system-less” OS would trump Windows 7, Windows 8 and maybe even Mac OS X.

So where is it? In June 2009, Google officials said to expect Chrome OS to ship in the second half of 2010. In mid-November 2010, CEO Eric Schmidt said Chrome OS was still a few months away. Schmidt also said that Android should be considered the touch-centric OS, whereas Chrome OS is more suited for machines with keyboards. But that isn’t stopping folks from pining for a Chrome OS tablet.

I had a chance to ask the Googlers about Chrome OS  recently, and was told that a preview version of Google OS is still going to hit this year and be available in test form on several new form factors.

Bottom line: Google, like Microsoft, is not going to have a viable iPad competitor available in time for holiday 2010. Yes, I know about the HP Slate 500, the Dell Inspiron Duo and the LG E-Note H1000B. I think Microsoft officials would agree (privately, if not publicly) that these Windows 7 slates are not true iPad competitors because of their weight, battery-life longevity (or lack thereof), price, no app store — or all of the above. I also realize there are Android tablets/slates out there, but the ZDNet blogging contingent seems to agree these devices aren’t really ready for prime-time…. (Or, as ZDNet’s Larry Dignan so delicately put it: “Android tablets are a big fail.”)

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has said that once Intel delivers its Oak Trail processors, Microsoft and its partners will deliver Windows slates that can be considered iPad competitors. So maybe we’ll see a Google OS vs. WinPad slate slug-fest by mid-2011? However, Apple probably will have delivered its lighter-weight iPad 2 by that time…And who knows what, if anything, will come of Microsoft’s ServiceOS (the browser-centric Microsoft research project, formerly known as Gazelle.)

Should make for an interesting CES 2011 and beyond…

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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
homeioy68-24353631382041715596635963196759 10th Nov
xfhrnv,good post!
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
drphysx Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
Does anyone really care? With Intel's Atom and ARM's platforms becoming so powerful, is there really a need for this lightweight OS?

Maybe, but it will be a niche thing, not a competitor for Windows, Android or iOS.

Any hardware capable of running Windows should and will run Windows.
Most ARM based devices will run Android.

Chrome OS is in no way a replacement or a competitor, it will only fill a niche (that I'm not sure exists).

Oh and despite that the HP Slate 500 is not an iPad competitor, it's a better option for many - people who want to get work done.

It turns out though, that the iPad is not alone anymore. Samsung today announced 600,000 Galaxy Tabs sold in just over three weeks, which is not that much less than the 1 million iPads sold in four weeks.

It will be iOS vs. Android for consumer slates (and Android will win, again).
I would not label Windows slates as competitors, but rather as productivity devices.

It will be interesting to see how much overlap there will be and whether Microsoft will make Windows 8 an OS for consumer as well as productivity devices (I certainly hope they do).
not run on Arm. It will be possible to deliver great devices at much lower price points with ChromeOS. As the importance of Win32 fades, families will still have one Win32 computer in the corner somewhere, but, for most of the devices, they will be able to use other platforms.
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
drphysx Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy Read the last two paragraphs, just added.

Windows is not a competitor (yet). It's nevertheless important for the traditional, small but important, Tablet PC market.

Whether they will "unbloat" it and make it ready for consumer devices... probably not - after all, it's still Microsoft.

Maybe it's more likely that Android will become ready for productivity devices, than Windows for consumer devices.
any case, Google blew it and did not deliver Gingerbread in time for Christmas. I fully agree that iPad will be the king for the next 6 months. NEITHER Android or Windows tablets will be able to touch iPad for now.

But, you can bet that Google is working overtime on getting ChromeOS right. Imagine being able to buy a monitor with a quad core Arm processor, and 2 gig of memory, ChromeOS, for not much more than simple monitors cost today. Our grand kids will not believe us when we tell them that monitors at one time would not work without a huge external box and that they failed all the time.
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
drphysx Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy Afaik, they are already working on Honeycomb for tablet devices, whereas Gingerbread will be another "phone-only" release (which, of course, is just as good as iOS for tablets, as iOS is just a phone OS either).

And yes, that's my dream - just carrying around a slate or even just my phone and connecting it to a big screen (+ keyboard and mouse) when I get home, using it as my only computer.

Of course, such a device must allow file system access, pen input and productivity features like today's Windows (or Linux/OS X) machines - and that is why iOS (or WP7) are not suited for those future devices.
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ChromeOS was DOA
John Zern 22nd Nov 2010
the moment they mentioned it, so like a lot of their now "gone into oblivion" offerings, they're going to let loose with some half baked product just to say "see, we delivered".

Then it'll sit on the shelf next to Buzz, Gears, ect...

DonnieBoy, at what point do you give up the whole As the importance of Win32 fades, families will still have one Win32 computer in the corner somewhere, but, for most of the devices, they will be able to use other platforms gibberish?

It's been going on what, 4-5 years, and yet it hasn't appeared that you'r anywher close to being right?

My guess is that Google believed it at one time, but with the lackluster uptake (and usability) of their offerings, it looks like they're probally thinking the same thing about now. happy
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
lmenningen Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy
Actually, it is hard to accuse Windows of having "bloat" or being a "resource hog" when you realize it is designed and intended for maximum hardware variety and large scale software flexibility, not for little handheld and dedicated-use personal devices. Handheld, or dedicated use, or personal devices deserve their own tailor-made OS's; leave Windows as-is, full scale, for the larger multiple-OEM open systems.
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@DonnieBoy Yes, Windows is bloated. But not in any important way... PCs have grown in capabilities much, much faster than Windows has grown in bloat, despite Microsoft's best efforts. Ten or fifteen years ago, the average user was unhappy with their PC's performance, even doing fairly simple things like wordprocessing. Today, you need a tricked out system for video and other media work, gaming, some kinds of CAD work, scientific research, but not that many regular consumer things. Consumers are more likely to upgrade to a new PC just to get a new OS, rather than out of a perceived need for more performance. Even techies... most of the techies I know have moved to using laptops as their main system, despite their having a much lower performance than comparably prices desktops. That's people in the know... not a sign that the average buyer is bothered by Windows' bloat.

This is easy to explain. First, there's memory. DRAM Memory grows in powers-of-two; every new DRAM shrink at least doubles capacity. And that's been happening since the 70s at least. Microsoft would have to work very hard to make every new version of Windows realistically 2x-4x as memory hungry as the previous version.

CPUs increase thanks to a race -- if Intel sits around too long (as they did back in the Pentium III days), AMD jumps ahead of them. And you can't really convince people they need a better CPU this year if you don't make it faster than last year's. But the actual CPU used by regular applications, while growing, hasn't come anywhere near the growth rate of CPU performance, other than in a few select areas (gaming, video encoders).
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@drphysx

"people who want to get work done"

So the millions of people that bought iPad's aren't getting any work done? That statement is laughable at best.
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
drphysx Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@jakenhauser23 No, they are not getting any serious work done on the iPad. Without things like file system access, pen input etc. it's impossible to be productive with such a device.

Those millions of people are just hanging around, surfing the web, watching movies etc. with their iPads.

It's not a producitvity device by any stretch of the imagination.
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Clearly, "drphysx" you...
zkiwi 22nd Nov 2010
Have at best a very myopic view of what productivity is. More likely you just don't know what it is, and should be offshored at once.
Haha @zkiwi I bet you've never done any work in your life. grin
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@jakenhauser23

Apparently drphysx doesn't know that a number of large businesses have each bought thousands of iPads, or that sales of iPads are considered to be led by business purchases.

But then, he likely doesn't care, because all he wants to do is put it down.
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@ drphysx "No, they are not getting any serious work done on the iPad. Without things like file system access, pen input etc. it's impossible to be productive with such a device."

Please stop making statements in complete ignorance. File system access is possible and we use it on our network. You can be extremely productive and do real work in ways you're obviously incapable of comprehending.
doesn't mean everyone can't. Apparently some people are smarter than you and have realized that the cloud can substitute for a filesystem. Pretty much every software vendor including Microsoft has come to this realization. Wonder why it hasn't sunk in for you yet...
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
lmenningen Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@jakenhauser23 Actually, it isn't "laughable" as much as an incomplete or misleading statement. iPad users and full-scale desktop users tend to perform different things. I.e., one usually uses a large system to perform video editing, but it doesn't make a very good mobile device.

Point being one also shouldn't counter-react by implying a mobile-device will have equivalent utility as a larger system - the nature of the two devices are too disimilar.
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@drphysx Just because you discount the iPad and any iOS device as being anything productive does not in any way mean that's impossible for people to be productive with them. That being said, who ever said that the iPad or any iOS device was designed or marketed to be a productivity device? You don't like the products, we get it, move on.
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Simple filesystem access on an iPad...
jasonp@... 22nd Nov 2010
"FileBrowser - Access files on remote computers"

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/filebrowser-access-files-on/id364738545?mt=8
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You make so many assumptions...
vulpine@... 22nd Nov 2010
@drphysx :
... I can only assume they are based on lack of first-hand knowledge.

You first ask if there's a need, yet Google and Microsoft both are working on developing that very need--in their own ways.
* Massive storage capacity isn't needed when all your apps and files are stored 'in the cloud.'
* Massive processing capacity isn't needed when desktop computers can be tied into a massive 'cloud-based' super network so that your hand-held only needs to activate the app and tell it what to do with what file. The hand-held then only needs to act as a smart terminal.

As such, not only could something like Chrome be a competitor, it could flat replace all of the above by simply being a 'smart' interface.

"Oh and despite that the HP Slate 500 is not an iPad competitor, it's a better option for many - people who want to get work done."
People like whom? Writers? Honestly, with an attached keyboard any tablet could serve as a word processor. True, it may not have all the bells and whistles of a full desktop version, but if you're writing a book or article, exactly how many of those added 'features' do you really need? For that matter, with programs like 'Go to My PC', even then the tablet can act as a smart terminal for almost anything that the tablet can't do for itself. For that matter, you'd be surprised just how capable an iPad can be, even with its limitations.

The Galaxy Tab? I'll admit I don't have any first-hand experience, but according to other commenters on other boards, it's anything but smooth--acting more like a 386 trying to run Win98.
I personally don't believe the 600,000 number either, when nearly every report had opening weekend showing only 5 units in a city of over a million. However, giving them the benefit of the doubt and accepting that figure, how long will those numbers hold? If they can continue that rate, then all power to them, but somehow I think the real numbers will end up far lower.

Personally, I think WP7 will start to get attention once people realize how much more readily it can synch with their desktops than Android. I think the standalone tablet concept will end up dying simply due to the lack of application support for the files each person wants and needs to carry from home to work and elsewhere. The tablet is proving that it can replace a large portion of the laptop computers by simply being more convenient; by making it an integrated system between desktop and mobile, the laptop itself may simply disappear.

No, I'm not making assumptions; I'm making predictions.
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@vulpine@... That 600,000 figure was also worldwide sales so while it is an impressive number it still isn't even close to the iPad's number with the US only release. It will be a better fit for some than the iPad but not all. Some will buy one or the other simply due to what OS it is running but only time will tell which will come out on top. While the tablet market might get flooded with Android based units I suspect just like the iPhone is in the smart phone market that the iPad will remain the top model in the market even if the OS doesn't carry the largest market share.
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@drphysx

They are loosing in a big way in the smartphone arena. An no, making it up on volume when you are loosing $1.00/phone does not mean winning.
phenomenal success, and the fact that Android will probably be the default for tablets and all "touch" devices from Google. That means that they are changing what ChromeOS is and making it only for larger devices with keyboards. They are also undoubtedly re-thinking the need for an app store. My feeling is that they will have a version of the Android Java (Davik) based app store.
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It's no rocket science
vcsy-guy 22nd Nov 2010
Googles Web OS is not being built by engineers, it's being built by lawyers.


It has always been said that Chrome OS will be a superset of Android, and as we know the VCSY lawsuits filed last week are because VCSY claims that Android is infringing on the VCSY 6,826,744 and 7,716,629 patents.


Vertical lawsuit against Interwoven, LG and Samsung:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/62017035/Vertical-Computer-Systems-v-Interwoven-et-al
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When Google announced Chrome OS around July of 2009, it was to be the cornerstone of a new computing paradigm based upon "Cloud based application computing". As Google originally envisioned it, Chrome would become the dominate mobile OS running on an inexpensive "netbook centric" hardware model having "instant on" and "extended battery life" attributes. (IMO, this was one of, if not the only, advanced technological vision that Google has ever created. It was and remains a very intriguing concept.)

But as "DonnieBoy" has stated, a "Funny thing happened on the way to the Forum". Apple released its iPad tablet which brought most of the benefits envisioned by the Chrome OS concept.

With the advent of tablets now forming an accepted mobile computing platform, I suspect that the original Chrome OS vision has "come and gone" and that Chrome OS will morph or evolve into its tablet centric sibling.
@kenosha7777 No, but Honeycomb might be.
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@drphysx To your comment above

"No, they are not getting any serious work done on the iPad. Without things like file system access, pen input etc. it's impossible to be productive with such a device.

Those millions of people are just hanging around, surfing the web, watching movies etc. with their iPads.

It's not a producitvity device by any stretch of the imagination".

I would really like to see what you are basing this on, I have friends that have iPads and even one that runs his business on it . So the statement that they can only surf the net and watch movies is ridiculous.
@jakenhauser23 Being a developer for all mobile platforms myself, I know what iOS is capable of and what it's not capable of.

The iPad is nice for all kinds of media, but it's definitely not a productivity device and never will be, unless Apple opens up the file system, adds an active digitizer and makes iOS usable without a PC/Mac.

Android already has lots of the features that a productivity device needs, but in order to get real, serious work done, you need a Windows Tablet PC.

Phone operating systems are not suited for productivity (yet). They're good for media consumption, that's all.

The most serious business app on the iPad is its calendar and a few note taking apps - which aren't very useful without pen input and MS Office compatibility.
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@drphysx
I stand corrected. You are right!
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Generalize much?
James Quinn 22nd Nov 2010
@drphysx
I've seen at least a few people dispute your claims that the iPad is NOT a productivity device and yet you insist on claiming that it is indeed not so. Still these people point out that the iPad is being used to produce actual and money making "WORK" still you persist and claim that your knowledge is enough to win this argument and nothing not even the actual fact that the iPad is being used in the work place will sway you. Sort of like the old hat about the iPhone not being a real smartphone nor will it find it's way into the enterprise. Surprise, surprise, surprise it did and has and is currently being used in a number of businesses and oh yeah the enterprise. Go figure. You "may" have a smallish point that the iPad is not all things to all people/enterprises and sure the iPad will not fit into all enterprise nor personal needs but that is true of all products even the HP Slate will find that to be true and some enterprises will choose the iPad over it because said business does not find the HP nor Windows to be a good fit. Generalizations FAIL!!!!

Pagan jim
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@drphysx "which aren't very useful without pen input and MS Office compatibility."

So the only time anyone is "working" is if they're using a pen and MS Office???? Are you seriously so narrow minded that your definition of, not only work, but "serious work" is if someone is typing up documents??? The only time anyone is really working is when they're dealing with business apps??? You are a neanderthal.
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I flat cannot believe you
vulpine@... 22nd Nov 2010
@drphysx : "Being a developer for all mobile platforms myself, I know what iOS is capable of and what it's not capable of." If you were, then you should, but obviously you aren't because you can't.
Why?
Because the iPad is used for many different kinds of productive work, in big corporations and tiny, home-owned businesses. They're even in use for and by a number of nationwide and world wide charity organizations.

Obviously, you have no understanding of what productivity is outside of, perhaps, your own tiny clique. Even you cannot name a single productive purpose for which an iPad cannot be used.
Now, I will grant that its productive capabilities are somewhat limited--as you would say, it can't run a full version of Microsoft Office. But despite that, most people don't need the full capabilities of Office--they barely need more than a simple word processor, spreadsheet and presentation, and those capabilities ARE available in the iPad.
No, if productivity can be accomplished on a simple note pad clamped to a hardboard clipboard, then it can certainly be accomplished on a slate-form-factor tablet or even a smart phone. The thousands of full-Windows OS tablets sold in the last ten years being overwhelmed by less than one year of iPad sales pretty much proves your statements wrong across the board.
@kenosha7777 The "only" thing? What about the vision that search would be the centre of the computing universe? I suspect that that vision was so large, and so true that we cannot see it because we are inside it!
@dimonic ... rather than knowledge based internet search tools.

Many internet search sites came before Google. Google's vision was more "capitalistic" in nature regarding Google Search.
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Chrome OS is a joke
Cylon Centurion 22nd Nov 2010
Please.
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My Win7 tablet
Cylon Centurion Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy

Disagrees. But once again, Donnieboy knows all happy
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into the Slate. Netbooks didn't have to shoehorn anything into them, they work fine, just different form factors of essentiallly the same thing: a computer.

It's odd how the same people say that Windows 7 isn't suitable for a tablet or netbook because it's a desktop OS, yet they'll claim that Chrome OS will "rock" on a tablet or netbook because it's supposedlly a desktop OS.

It just doesn't make much sense, does it?
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Consider the source...
Pete "athynz" Athens 23rd Nov 2010
@John Zern

It just doesn't make much sense, does it? That statement pretty much applies to all of his posts.
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
Pete "athynz" Athens 22nd Nov 2010
It's vaporware! Seriously it's vaporware. By the logic of those who kept on harping on the relase date of iOS 4.2 (which came out today in November of 2010 just as Apple said BTW) it's vaporware because it's not out in the wild for the general public.

Sure it sounded great at first but now I'm not holding my breath on a release of it.
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
daboochmeister Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@athynz - vaporware ... that you can d/l and run for yourself. Hmm ... so it didn't make a particular holiday delivery, that makes it vaporware?

Assuming it WON'T be available in the next couple of weeks. Who knows, this could very well be the very first time that a blog is - gasp - wrong.
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Pete "athynz" Athens 23rd Nov 2010
@daboochmeister I didn't realize Chrome OS was already in the wild - I guess I missed the hoopla over it.
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Loverock Davidson 22nd Nov 2010
ChromeOS has been and will always be vaporware. This is just further proof that you cannot count on Google for anything.
Oh... my... god. It's hard to grasp how incredibly stupid and narrow-minded those brainwashed Apple fanboys in here are.

I bet none of them have done any serious work in their pathetic lives.

If you think you can get any serious work done on an iPad, you're a fool.

The iPad is a consumption device, nothing more. It's not even trying to be a productivity device.
@drphysx
what matters is what the iPad is USED for. What is "serious" work? I think you started with work and when people said they know of the iPad is being used at work you switched to serious work as your justification/excuse. So to me all "work" is by its very nature serious. If you do something that aids you in getting "stuff" done that needs to be done then that is serious. If you do something that actually makes or assists you in making money that is pretty serious as well. So instead of throwing insults and pouting why don't you address the FACT that that iPads are actually being used in businesses like Hospitals and such? If you have a serious answer I'd love to hear it.

Pagan jim
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@drphysx

I work fifty plus hours a week as a system admin. I have worked all my life, so drop dead. You think because you develop for a platform you are the only one that knows anything about it. You also apparently think that makes you the only one that works. I would be happy to compare resumes anyday. Get a life you hack!!
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@jakenhauser23

I'm a Sysadmin too, and I looked into the IPad and I couldn't justify the purchase with the apps currently available.

I'm mainly looking for the ability to display active network and server diagrams, use utilities such to ping, trace route, and check DNS, remote desktop into servers, a browser that fully supports the iLo web interface, and a way to manage assets. Have you had good luck with any of these? It would be nice to have a slate to access my backend servers, but it doesn't seem feasible at the moment. Am I wrong?
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RE: So... whatever happened to Google's Chrome OS?
Pete "athynz" Athens Updated - 23rd Nov 2010
@drphysx OMG! It's so hard to believe just how ignorant you are! Who are YOU to determine what kind of productivity the iPad brings to a business. You CLAIM to be a developer and yet have no freaking clue as to what the iPad is capable of. Sure it's not a fully featured desktop or laptop nor is it meant to be but for some the iPad is a functional and productive device despite your protests to the contrary.

Dude I used to think you were just an ignorant troll but now I see that you are a pathetic pretentious little ********* with a napoleon complex.

And WHAT does your little rant about iPad and Apple fanboys have to do with Google Chrome OS? Oh yeah, that's right - not one damned thing.

As for your claims to be a mobile OS developer - what have you developed exactly? Is it in the wild yet or still "in progress"? What platforms have you or do you develop for? Where can I find apps you've developed?
board of directors, all their software projects have kind of stalled? Interesting what happens when they don't have the corporate spy in place anymore.
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@frgough
I know someone on Apples's board of directors and it's a farce.
"As I recall, a number of bloggers and reporters began tolling the death knell for Windows at that time, claiming Google?s ?operating-system-less? OS would trump Windows 7, Windows 8 and maybe even Mac OS X."

And looking at all of the APPS for CELL PHONES - I'd say nobody really wants a 100% internet-based solution. It's a nice idea theoretically, but not realistic, not by a long shot.

Apps are faster and more reliable. The weakest link in the Internet is the dozens of computers between the user and the app host. It's only as fast as the slowest one, and only as reliable as the most unreliable one. And to a lot of people, that's important.
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homeioy68-24353631382041715596635963196759 10th Nov
xfhrnv,good post!

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