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Supreme Court agrees to hear Microsoft patent infringement appeal

By | November 29, 2010, 9:20am PST

Just when it looked as if Microsoft had thrown in the towel in the ongoing patent infringement case involving Toronto-based i4i, the Supreme Court has agreed to reconsider Microsoft’s appeal.

The case will examine what should constitute the proper legal standard for determining a patent’s validity. Microsoft and a number of companies backing its play — including Apple, Google, Intel, Verizon, a number of auto makers, drug companies and financial services companies — all are in favor of the Court to make it easier for companies facing infringement suits to prove a patent is invalid.

“We are gratified by the Court’s decision. It’s a clear affirmation that the issues raised in this case are critical to the integrity of our patent system.  We look forward to presenting our case to the Supreme Court,” said David Howard, Microsoft Corporate Vice President, Deputy General Counsel for Litigation.

i4i Inc. sued Microsoft for infringement over a patent for custom XML. i4i won the case in the summer of 2009. In December 2009, Microsoft lost its appeal of the case, heard by an East Texas District Court, and was ordered to pay i4i more than $290 million and remove the custom XML technology from certain versions of Microsoft Word.

I4i, as expected, is against the Supreme Court rehearing, and its officials are saying “any changes to the standards for proving the invalidity of patents should be made by Congress, not the courts,” according to the Wall Street Journal.

Oral arguments will likely take place in the spring with a decision expected by the end of June, 2011, according to the Journal.

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RE: Supreme Court agrees to hear Microsoft patent infringement appeal
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RE: Congress, not the courts
johndoe445566 29th Nov 2010
I4i says ?any changes to the standards for proving the invalidity of patents should be made by Congress, not the courts?.

I agree! Software and business method patents were invented by the courts. They should all be invalid unless and until explicitly authorized by Congress.
it disturbs me greatly to just how great a degree Americans think courts should decide things. A reading of the Constitution and the Federalist papers shows that the courts were intended to be the WEAKEST branch of government. Congress has the power to dissolve and organize federal courts at will and to set the number of supreme court justices as desired. Which is as it should be in a citizen-government.
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@frgough ... not entirely true. They were intended to be equal in a system called checks-and-balances. Which, incidentally, is an extremely dangerous prospect in and of itself... just imagine if and when a government starts abolishing/establishing/expanding federal courts to satisfy their political gain.
@frgough
Well when the other 2 branches no longer follow the Constitution the weakest link becomes the strongest.
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Spend enough money...
ahh so 1st Dec 2010
...then even the Supreme Court can bought off.
@johndoe445566 suggested that the courts shouldn't be changing the law. The problem, in this case, is that it was the courts that messed up the Patent system in the first place. Prior to about 1983, computer software was considered algorythims - and therefore not patentable. A court was confronted with patents like RSA - RSA showed the court two "black boxes" - one was implemented entirely in hardware, the other was a very small computer - both performed the exact same function - and an activist court permitted RSA to patent both devices. This black box approach continued until about 1994 when the courts decided that it was no longer necessary to create an "all hardware" implementation.

The problem is that the patent office has been very laxe about requiring disclosure of ALL prior art, and determining whether a specific device is truly an invention, or whether it is something that can be intuitively derived. The current court rulings are also unclear of how similar implementations have to be to be infringements. For example, if there is an Open Source implementation and Microsoft implements a slightly different expression of the same algorithm and i4i later patents yet a third slightly different expression, can i4i sue Microsoft for infringement? And should i4i be allowed to keep a patent on someone else's GPL code published years before - simply because the GPL code had not been filed with the patent office and was not fully disclosed in the i4i patent application.

There are 1-line shell scripts that have been patented - simply because the 3 open source applications involved were compiled together rather than simply being an intuitive shell script. For example Real Networks got a patent for streaming audio and video. Yet even as far back an the early versions of BSD 4.0, streaming audio and video could be done by taking output from a d2a converter, then pipe it. For example "cat /dev/codec | compress | crypt | ssh user@host | crypt | uncompress > /dev/codec
@Rex1Ballard - Well said! And as in many cases, one judge can make a decision and thus set precedence. Who gave them so much power?! Sometimes, it's just some lousy politicians. It's a very broken and corrupted system. These days, if I get to vote to keep a judge or not, I always vote "no".
@Rex1Ballard

Just because someone has done it before does not invalidate advancements in how it is done. I am free to invent an improvement in refining petroleum, and it will geta patent if no one has done it before. If Real had a true advance in how such media was streamed, they deserved the patent. Just because it isn't hardware isn't a good reason to say it cannot be patented. If my business is speech analysis and I find a way to analyze speech for a new type of phonic parameter, or a new way of combining formants to find some underlying speech pathology, I have a right to protect that invention, and my business, from poachers who would steal my hard earned work. The validity of protecting the process of how that analysis is done is no different than protecting a manufacturing route via a process patent in the chemical industry.

Specific code should be copyrighted. I would argue that one line scripts belong in this realm. But software does all kinds of things that would only have been envisioned in hardware when the laws of patents were devised. Those inventions deserve protection just as much as the hardware inventions of old. We need a balance. So far, no one has done an adequate job of delineating where that balance is. Congress has continually ignored the controversy that the issue would raise, and the politicians either accept too much money from large industry (such as the RIAA and copyright 'reform') or are afraid of offending their constituencies. Meanwhile, disputes continue between those that want unfettered access to every idea ever conceived, and those who want to protect what they have invented forever (OK, I am guilty of overexaggeration here, but you get the idea), and in the absence of legislation, the courts get to decide. No, that's wrong. It is their job to decide. Decry legislation from the bench all you want, but if Congress won't act, the courts must. That IS the way the founders intended it.
@Rex1Ballard
As a matter of fact, jondoe445566 was actually arguing the same case as you. His position is that there has never been an act of Congress to make software patentable (that was an innovation that was "imposed" by the courts), and therefore software should never have been declared patentable in the first place.

It's just that jondoe445566 said it sarcastically.
@johndoe445566
This is a slam dunk for Microsoft, since we all know these justices are big corporate biased.
@johndoe445566 ...

First of all, MOST politicians (especially those in Congress) *ARE* lawyers and even former judges. This is why most of them are so horribly corrupt and insist on complicating matters.

Second, name ONE action Congress takes today that universally a good idea, and I will support your idea, but I'm betting you can't, and frankly... Congress ought not have any additional oversight or regulation on any aspect of business than they already have.
In 1978, Rep. Ned Pattison (D-NY), the co-author of the major copyright legislation overhaul passed that year, believed that software still fell under the "mathematical algorithms" classification and thus was inherently unpatentable. It was his belief that Congress did not address the patentability of software at that time, because it did not need to do so. (This is from a personal conversation with Ned in 1982, when he was my lawyer.)
@wcroth45 said the revised copyright act was 1978 - But the law was revised in 1976
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_1976
@Rex1Ballard is correct. The law was substantially revised and signed in 1976, but took effect Jan 1 1978.
This could be a double edged sword for all the parties involved. If the Supreme Court rules that i4i's patent is not valid what happens to all the other similar finger pointing and patent cases now in the works?
@geoff@... apple would be pissed....
@nickdangerthirdi@... Read the article again. Apple is [for once] on the same side as Microsoft.
@geoff@... In the grand scheme of things, I think all parties would prefer to put an end to the frivolous suits, and I think it would make all companies think twice before filing a suit and work more to settle any existing suits.
Oh boy. Microsoft, Apple and Google on one side. A rarity!
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if ms wins??
wmroc 29th Nov 2010
IF MS wins, what happens to it's (spurious) contention that Linux infringes on its software patents on MS code. Which infringements it has refused to reveal.

Will it have to repay all the extorted money from softwAre companies that payed MS blackmail to prevent extortion through threatened court cases?
I went to school with Louden Owen, one of the principals of i4i. Trust me, Microsoft has picked the wrong guy to have a fight with. Even if MS wins their appeal and thinks that's the end of it, it won't be. He'll just find a different way to come at them.
@Goldie07
A fool in need is a fool indead!
@windozefreak
"Indead"??? What does that mean? I think you mean "indeed".
Yikes! Who's a fool then?
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What a fiasco
slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin 29th Nov 2010
I have no idea whether Microsoft is right or wrong on this particular issue, and in any case that's not the point. The point here is that the entire patent system is a fiasco in the first place.

The patent provides no pro-active protection for the creators of intellectual property. It just provides the patent holder with standing to sue those who infringe his patent...usually at a prohibitively high cost. Even if you can afford to defend it, you have to prove that the thief actually stole your property. So, unless you have the resources to do that, the default condition is that the thief gets to steal it.

It's completely upside down.
Just remember that it is people that invent things that can be patented not companies. Companies only exist because of ideas by people. Effectively the companies steal the ideas of their employees. The one I work for at the moment has a clause in the company handbook that states that "ANY INVENTION INVENTED DURING YOUR EMPLOYMENT BELONGS TO THE COMPANY". This is a major change from the usual 'Any invention related to the business of the company belongs to the company'.

So if I invent 'cold fusion' which is no way related to the company's business then they will steal it.

Sdratsab!
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