Ten watchwords for Microsoft's Windows 8 conference

By | September 7, 2011, 7:55am PDT

Summary: Microsoft’s Build conference is going to be full of Windows 8 terms and technologies. Here are 10 of the related codenames and features about which I’m hoping to hear more next week.

Microsoft’s Build developers conference, kicking off on September 13, is just days away. For the past year-plus, there have been various leaks, hacks, forum posts, blog entries and even a couple of public peeks of Microsoft’s next version of Windows. But next week is the official “big reveal.”

What will I be watching for at next week’s confab — beyond the obvious things, like showings of Windows 8 on ARM and more on how Microsoft’s existing development tools and technologies fit into the Windows 8 picture?

Here are ten terms I’m hoping to hear more about at Build. Some of these are codenames; others are working feature names. On my short list:

AppX: A new type of packaged application model in Windows 8 that is believed to closely resemble Windows Phone 7 application packages. If Windows 8 supports the AppX model, Windows Phone applications should (in theory) work on Windows 8. And the Windows 8 app store should look, feel and operate like the Windows Phone Marketplace (if the two are not one in the same). The “Modern Reader” unearthed by Paul Thurrott and Rafael Rivera in an early leaked Win8 build is an example of an AppX application.

Jupiter: A new app model/ user interface (UI) library for Windows, built alongside Windows 8. The original plan was for Jupiter to be a thin XAML/UI layer on top of Windows application programming interfaces and frameworks for subsystems like graphics, text and input. I’ll be watching to see if Jupiter manages to hang on to make its public debut and how closely it resembles the various tidbits I received about it for the past few months.

MinWin: The “guts” of Windows (the kernel, hardware abstraction layer, TCP/IP, file systems, drivers and other core system services). Microsoft included an implementation of MinWin as part of Windows 7, officials acknowledged. But it sounds like MinWin will be more prominent in Windows 8, and could potentially play a role in Microsoft’s client virtualization strategy, as Windows expert Sandro Villinger reaffirmed earlier this year.

Modern: Seems to be Microsoft’s preferred way of referring to new applications that will be custom-built to take advantage of the Windows 8 tile-based interface. “Immersive” seems to be (from what I can tell) a synonym for “modern,” in Microsoft’s new classification system. Modern apps must adhere to the Windows 8 AppX packaging model. “Modern Web apps”  are said to be a subset of the “Modern” category and are apps built using Web-dev technologies like HTML5 and JavaScript.

Protogon: Some kind of a new Windows 8 file system or collection of file-system elements, early details about which were publicized by Sandro Villinger. Protogon reportedly incorporates database-like concepts like transactions, cursors, rows and tables and could (some day, in theory, at least) replace or at least emulate the current NTFS built into Windows.

RedHawk: A key piece of a new managed-code execution environment that would be more lightweight and more appealing to developers who have been put off by the perceived overhead of the current Common Language Runtime (CLR) at the heart of the .Net Framework. RH and RHP (RedHawk Project?) mentions have been found in leaked Windows 8 builds. Microsoft execs have said the not said which version of the .Net Framework, if any, will  won’t be included in the early Windows 8 test builds (though the older .Net 3.5 will be added to the final product, according to a recent Microsoft blog post).

Silverlight: The Microsoft web-browser plug-in that enables interactive media experiences, line of business applications and Windows Phone development. While we know Microsoft is poised to deliver Silverlight 5, the future of the product once known as WPF/e (Windows Presentation Foundation Everywhere) needs to be addressed in a concrete and clear way at Build (after months of murkiness). Can devs build both classic and modern Windows 8 apps with Silverlight? Will apps developed with Silverlight run on both Windows Phone (7 and/or 8) and Windows 8?

Trident: The rendering engine inside Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer 10 will be part of Windows 8 (and a new IE 10 test build is likely to debut next week at Build.) Microsoft’s emphasis on developing applications using HTML5, JavaScript and CSS is tied tightly to its increasingly Web-standards-compliant IE browser. And Windows 8’s touch-centric functionality is equally tied in with/reliant on IE, as TechRadar explained back in June. The “pin to taskbar” concept pioneered with IE 9 is going to be key to Microsoft’s tablet strategy, I’ve believed for a while now.

Tweet@rama: A TweetDeck-like Twitter client that Microsoft execs used for demo purposes in the June unveiling of Windows 8. Since then, it’s become obvious that Tweet@rama isn’t just a demo app and is more likely to be a full-fledged Microsoft-developed application or service that will be released in or alongside Windows 8. There’s also speculation that Windows 8 will include the same kinds of “Hubs” that are part of the Windows Phone ecosystem; if so, Tweet@rama might be part of a “People” hub with native Twitter integration, like what’s provided in the Mango Windows Phone OS.

UEFI: The Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), a k a the replacement for the old PC BIOS firmware, is going to be a big topic at the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) — which just so happens to be running concurrently with Build. UEFI is all about faster bootup, more modular design and processor independence … kind of like Windows 8 is expected to be. Even though ARM is where a lot of the Windows 8 tablet action is expected to be, the Intel market (especially with Intel’s newfound Ultrabook push) is still very key to Microsoft’s Windows team and its customers/partners. (By the way, if there’s a tablet give-away at Build, I’m betting it’ll be an Intel-based tablet, not an ARM-based one.)

What did I miss? What’s on your watchword list for next week, Microsoft developers?

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: Ten watchwords for Microsoft's Windows 8 conference
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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Microsoft is famous for their warring fiefdoms. Windows Phone, Windows and Silverlight are all created by different divisions, each with their own Presidents. It's a small miracle Windows Phone & Silverlight utilize the same platform. If the same apps & app store work across Windows, Windows Phone, and Silverlight it would be a huge victory for app developers & the Microsoft ecosystem. But would also require a significant reorg to have occurred within MSFT hallways. Any sign of this happening?
@MobileUser2011 - The Microsoft fiefdoms was far more true of Microsoft pre-Gates' departure than it is today. While, of course, certain aspects of Microsoft's platform are build in different divisions, those divisions have been organized far more sensibly of late and are cooperating far more closely than ever before.

Evidence for this? Allchin is gone. Valentine is gone. Johnson is gone. Muglia is gone. Matthews is gone. Sinofsky is now chief overlord of Windows and appears to have re-built the Windows org to deliver pretty compelling improvements to Windows on a predictable cadence.

Windows Phone started again from scratch. Brand new OS. Brand new app platform & app model. Brand new tooling. Brand new ecosystem. Brand new devices. What they've managed to pull off in such a short period of time is impressive. Sure, they've still got a long way to go, but increased collaboration with Windows (WinPhone8 running atop NT kernel?) and with the Windows UI team (WinPhone8 adopting and improving upon Win8's UI?).

Cutler moved to Azure. As did Russinovich and several others. Guthrue now heads up all of Microsoft's web and cloud dev platform & tools story. MS' cloud story is improving weekly and has a great competitor in Amazon.

In all I really like what I am seeing in Microsoft today. Can't wait to learn more next week happy
@bitcrazed

I think you are not looking beneath the surface enough. The factions are still there, but Sinofsky controls the information flow. While in some ways this is good, having a unified front makes Microsoft look stronger, this is actually pretty bad. Because of the control of information, we have the bad old days of beta information, where little data gets to many of the small inovative companies, and even worse their feedback never gets to the Microsoft devs. I know Microsoft dev's who were horrified when they finally talked to 3rd party developers at a conference and discovered what they thought was a feature that was really liked, was hated by the real professionals and in many case the feature was being ripped out of 3rd party products.

Windows 2000, then Windows XP were built by Microsoft in a time of pretty open communication, and were great products. Vista was built on a closed communication model, and now Sinofsky has shutdown what little openess was present at that time.
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Actually Vista was open
P. Douglas Updated - 7th Sep
@oldsysprog,

Actually Windows Vista was developed openly, and the tech media gave it a hard time for every little thing it promised, and didn't deliver - including a new file system. Sinofsky took over the Windows division and came out with Windows 7, being very careful not to promise any new features he was not sure would be in Windows. That management of information worked out well for the company, and has been broadly adopted in MS. Apple does the same thing, is even worse that MS, and has the best product launches in the industry. Openess is great, but when it is structured in such a way, that its costs exceed its benefits, then it becomes undesirable. After the the major features are set, and the code has been made sufficiently stable, that is when MS starts to discuss Windows - in a way that is far more open than Apple, and many other companies.
@oldsysprog - I think your memory is failing you. Win2000 and XP were developed in a heady rush of enthusiasm by Microsoft but their design process and strategy was never documented nor communicated. Yes, MS offered betas of the new OS releases, but that's just standard Microsoft operating procedures. Everything they build goes through the beta-RC-RTM cycle.

The problem with Microsoft's pre-Sinofsky era product development is that many features were decided-on by senior management and/or feature owners without necessarily having a comprehensive grasp of what customers actually wanted.

If you cast your mind back, XP was released to a great deal of disappointment. Even moreso after its security and reliability inadequacies were so brutally revealed. It wasn't until SP2 (which was a major engineering effort) that XP began to gain real traction.

P. Douglas has it spot-on: Vista was actually a very open development process. Too open, in fact! Vista's first CTP was delivered at the 2005 PDC, and was followed by several more CTP's until Vista was declared "feature complete" in early 2006. The beta came in may, followed by three RC's.

The problem was that this was "Too Much Information" - features were presented in earlier releases that never made it into the final product and many features that were not announced DID make it into the final product without having sufficient time in developers' hands (e.g. new graphics driver infrastructure).

Sinofsky has ushered in an entirely different approach wherein they consider the views of many customers, examine the competitive landscape and trawl through masses of high-quality data to focus on delivering features that customers want, need and use. They only announce features that they're pretty sure they can ship to a very high quality level. They communicate a great deal of their thinking, planning, design and implementation processes (a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/e7">Engineering Windows7 and Building Windows8). And more importantly, they ship very high quality product on time and as promised.
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RE: Ten watchwords for Microsoft's Windows 8 conference
FuzzyBunnySlippers Updated - 14th Sep
@bitcrazed

"Evidence for this? Allchin is gone."

Amen. That dude bolted moments before Vista hit a brick wall, only thing... he was driving. Valentine wasn't terrible, just a bit misplaced (read: beyond his own competency, especially with his hands bound) but definitely not a bad guy. The thing with those greater minds jumping up into the cloud... no one but Sinofski is left keeping a firm foothold to the ground. MS put him in a hero/goat scenario after all he did to keep Office relevent. They left him holding the bag, and they damn well better credit him if he pulls it off. He is a positive asset, and his tale, win or lose, will be the legend of Microsoft's outcome.
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Security?
YukioCowboy 7th Sep
Great reporting MJ, thanks. Please be on the look-out for security changes too.

For example, running vulnerable apps in VMs, reversing out malware changes, improved local and cloud-based backup, keeping EFS encrypted files encrypted when transferring over the network with SMB, smart card enhancements, more Windows features that use the TPM chip in the motherboard, changes planned to take advantage of Intel + McAfee enhancements in the BIOS/motherboard, anti-tracking privacy features in IE10, Security Essentials AV with reputation features integrated into AppLocker.vNext, etc.
@YukioCowboy
Good point. Unfortunately you are the only one to mention this issue, which is, in my mind, the most important weakness with Windows architecture...
Jacques
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Sorry, everything but secure source code.
Joe.Smetona Updated - 8th Sep
@YukioCowboy ... "Mcafee enhancements?", sorry this looks like another botnet magnet just like it's younger brothers XP and Win7.

The TDL-4 botnet creators have now become bold. They are offering use of the Windows botnet infected machines to anyone. Payment is accepted from Visa, Mastercard, American Express and PayPal. Also, they created a couple of Firefox ad-ons to facilitate anonymous proxy selections. Conceivably, if you are infected and don't know it, you can pay them to rent your own computer time. Geez, it appears MS should correct this major problem for its EXISTING USERS before promoting new OS's.

Note: not a word on this from ZDNet even though it is an MBR rootkit botnet and it infected 4.5 million users in the first three months of 2011. I guess they need more than 9 months to figure out how to spin it. Off course, the infected users don't know they are infected, so it's a non-issue for MS and ZDNet.

From Krebs on Security
-- http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/rent-a-bot-networks-tied-to-tdss-botnet/
"What?s on your watchword list for next week?"

For me? Live Framework! Back in 2008 Live Framework was a platform for synchronising data/application state across different machines, was the underpinnings of Live Mesh, and was getting touted as the next big thing. It all went flat around August 2009 but I'm hoping it now gets resurrected in some way shape or form.

The early tech preview of Live Mesh also included something called Live Desktop which was basically an app hub - I'm hoping that that all gets resurrected in SkyDrive.

No doubt I'll be disappointed happy

JT
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.net in windows8
roarmo 7th Sep
I thought that new versions of .net (4/4.5) would be included frm the start, but .net 3.5 added later. Anyone else have the same understanding?
@roarmo

.NET 4 (or higher) better be part of Windows 8 from the start, otherwise they might as well forget interest from the MS developer community. If MS jettisons .NET for back to the future C++ and web hacking HTML/JS they're going to be jettisoning the enterprise LOB market. It would be the best thing that ever happened to Java.
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.Net in Win8
Mary Jo Foley 7th Sep
Maybe I am reading Sinofsky's blog post incorrectly. He didn't mention any version of .Net being built into the early test builds of Win 8. But, as you and others note, he also DIDN'T say that some version of .Net wouldn't be. I will add that note to my text above. (He also called .Net 3.5 "Dot Net 3.5" for some odd reason, too...) Thanks. MJ
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Maybe...
Joe_Raby 7th Sep
@Mary Jo Foley

He was using speech recognition to type it all out.
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RE: .NET in Win 8
johngalt_0705 7th Sep
There is simply no possible way that .NET 4.0 will not be included in Windows 8. Microsoft would break way too many shipping applications if they did that, and that is one thing the never do.

Eric
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.NET 4.5 in Windows 8
KPixel Updated - 7th Sep
@Mary Jo Foley As you can see in the latest video on Hyper-V, Windows 8 will come with .NET 4.5.
@roarmo That was my understanding too.

Also Mary-Jo, don't you mean that the IDF is happening concurrently? It seems to be happening on the same days.
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Thanks for the sanity check
Mary Jo Foley 7th Sep
Yes, that's what I mean. No more late night work on posts for me. THanks! MJ
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Great information in this post. I believe Zdnet is the best blog to get new information for Windows 8.
I'm saving money so I can buy a Windows 8 desktop and a Windows 8 tablet. I just hope the tablets in Windows 8 can have a battery which lasts more than 10 hours.
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it damn well better be something better than an Atom.

For those not-in-the-know, the Atom is Intel's new placeholder to keep Microsoft releasing "Starter" versions of Windows, just like they did with Vista Home Basic and 915 chipsets.

The Atom has always been enough generations behind to prevent it from getting WinQual certification for "Premium" versions of Windows. I really hope the tablet isn't going to be an Atom showpiece, because that would be a big pile of crap if it was.

Intel needs to innovate more. Bring us modern (ie. DX11+) graphics with respectable 3D, and do it without cutting down on processor technology. Likewise, why is virtualization a second-class citizen? AMD has included it on EVERY processor for years now.

Also, as far as UEFI goes, I have yet to see proper boot-time code implemented beyond basic drive controller support. There is no PXE boot support in Intel's current UEFI implementation, and RAID support is shoddy at best. This needs to be fixed. We've only been waiting on this since UEFI Boot was first introduced in Intel's 3-series chipsets -- 4 years ago!! WTH is the hold up?! Oh, and Mary Jo: UEFI is supposed to be a requirement for ARM. It was on a slide. I honestly don't know if ARM chips, such as Cortex A8/A9, already include UEFI support.

I'm still waiting for my PandaBoard to arrive to test that out though. If it does, and the ARM code is ready for BUILD, I'll be busy doing some experimenting with the new hardware. The biggest fear I have is that the ARM bits are going to be distributed only to royalty OEM's, and not through the system builder channels. That means there won't be any options for home-built micro ARM computers and such. :'(

We'll have to wait and see though.

Oh, and are they live-streaming the presentations, or are they going to be only available afterwards as on-demand downloads?
@Joe_Raby

"Oh, and are they live-streaming the presentations, or are they going to be only available afterwards as on-demand downloads? "

Yes
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Webcast plans for Build
Mary Jo Foley 7th Sep
MS has said they are going to webcast in real time the two keynotes (Tuesday 9 am PT and Wednesday 9 am PT). All sessions are being recorded and will be posted a day after they happen, MS has said also. MJ
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RE: Ten watchwords for Microsoft's Windows 8 conference
LoverockDavidson_-24231404894599612871915491754222 7th Sep
This is good news, can't wait to see how Microsoft Windows 8 turns out next week at the conference. New technologies, #1 OS, scalable, secure. Lots to look forward to.
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more watchwords...
rmac_z 7th Sep
WPF
WindowsForms
ASP.NET

...useful markers for Windows technologies even if the former two become 'deprecated'
I think that the one on Bing has been there for long enough. And this one "builds" on the upcoming conference happy
I am hoping for a sneak peek at the next version of Windows Live Essentials and how it integrates with the new Windows 8 user experience, especially Mesh.
you forget about Hyper-V
@rmac_z i believe that it is about time to forget about windows forms an let them behind
@djcata03@... please tell that to my boss. sad
@scH4MMER yeah , i know ..... but at least Microsoft should give up to winforms ....who wants to use them just use .net 4 and visual studio 2010 ,but no more win forms in future
And wasn't it what, a year or so ago, that Windows 7 was touted as the next best thing since sliced bread?? Why not call Windows 8 - Ongoing Fleecing Of Consumers In A Box
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'Treadmill'
Rick S._z 8th Sep
@ericgyoung:

In comparison to the STINKER which wiped XP off the shelves, in every retail store, in the same week, Windows 7 *was* the next best thing since sliced bread. But we agree, "Treadmill" is probably the 'Watchword' which leads to all of this razzle-dazzle.

Win7 did a GREAT job of fixing Vista's most disastrous "features", but MS lives by churning the customer base. The Hamsters, and their wallets, won't be allowed to rest. Windows-XP, in current MS strategic thinkng, was bad business: It lived for far too long, depriving MS of upgrade revenue.

I think that future OS products, especially in the consumer marketplace, will be released on the schedule established between Vista and Windows 7. That's 3 years per Release. But unlike Vista missing the Holiday season, and Win-7 missing the "school year upgrade" time frame, Windows 8 will NOT miss the 2012 school and holiday seasons. They will try to be "gold" by July.

The turf battle between Silverlight and HTML5 will be interesting to watch. But in the medium term, Silverlight is done for -- it will die, in the same way that "Microsoft Proprietary HTML" has been falling away for the last few years. HTML5 wins. (IMO, anyone who chooses to write an app with Silverlight dependencies is making stupid choice.)

The frightening thing here is the return of Microsoft's favorite scenario of the last two Releases - , a 'magical database' replacing NTFS. With enormous, complex layers of ---> SECRET!!! --- software controlling data storage on disk, your data basically becomes property of Microsoft Corporation. And if you fall into a "database is corrupted.... replaying journal.... database being rebuilt.... rebuild failed" scenario, you might not be happy with your situation.
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And people...
gak@... 8th Sep
"I?m hoping to hear more" - that is, you are going to Build, right? Congratulations, have fun. And please have a look and report on people, their moods, and the conference atmosphere.

"Microsoft included an implementation of MinWin as part of Windows 7, officials acknowledged." - I recall Russinovich mentioned MS had _almost_ achieved that and the _next_ Windows will finally have a true kernel. I would like to know if that happened in W8 very much.

?Modern Web apps? are said to be a subset of the ?Modern? category" - if so, many fears raised by the HTML/JS announcement may settle. Looks like a good part of Build will be devoted to that.
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Interesting...
crcgraphix 8th Sep
I like the new futuristic and hi-tech code names that MSFT came out with for their programs. Very unique.
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Re: Accessibility
briancoppola@... 8th Sep
What is Microsoft going to do for universal design in windows 8 and its newer tablets so that all people can have access to it including the visually impaired/totally blind and Deaf/blind. They also need to put a speech recognition version of Sticky Notes in there for people who cannot use keyboards.

It would also be nice if the tablets include applications that would read aloud information from bar codes, prescription labels and information contained on foods, such as sell by and expiration dates.

Finally, it would also be nice if there are some apps that would read audible books, including DAISY format, text and PDF books aloud to visually impaired or blind people or even people with learning disabilities.

Bottom line. I think that the fortune 500's can get the assistive tech built into their newer products and bring it into the mainstream and drive some of the companies who are selling assistive technology at outrageous prices out of business or make it cheaper.
I reckon "Clear Light" would be a good name
Clear Light would be a good name for Windows 8, IMHO
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'Freedom' Might a candidate for the new Windows 8 name. Not being restricted to using the conventional keyboard and mouse, but also touchscreens. The excellent support for ARM devices could also be attributed to the same term.
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I just hope it has more Media Center features/integration, like being able to use media center to watch everything, instead of needing 3-4 different players in addition to being able to use MC with tuner-cards. I hear the UI is more touch-screen oriented. They should allow for kinect plug and play for that UI. windows 7 is a ripper of an OS, it has few faults, those that it does have are tollerable when you familiarse yourself with the OS and see the reasons behind it's shortcommmings are some it's greatest strengths. They can't leave .net support, but they might find better , more efficent, more embedded oreinted ways of running code, MSIL needs to be run by one unified HAL interpreter that does the virtualization at the same time being lean, mean, portable and overall secure by design (something like chrome) IE9 is a step in the right direction, now they just need to start running!
Oh boy, just can't wait for the newest version of Silverlight. If not for that EULA, everyone would just love to have that kind of Digital Restrictions Management on their LoseDoze based PC. But alas, who really reads those dumb old things, anyways? Why wouldn't we all simply agree to any terms and conditions?
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You forgot one Mary Jo...
Monkeypox 12th Sep
Schwing!
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