Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

Summary: In addition to talking up Windows tablets and slates at the January Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Microsoft execs also are expected to use the conference to give another push to Windows Phone 7. But the first "major" update to the WP7 platform may not hit until August or September, my sources claim.

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In addition to talking up Windows tablets and slates at the January Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Microsoft execs also are expected to use the conference to give another push to Windows Phone 7. But the first "major" update to the WP7 platform may not hit until August or September of 2011, my sources claim.

In recent weeks, there have been rumors of both January and February "minor" Windows Phone 7 updates. I'm also hearing talk of a major fall update (codenamed "Mango"), which will precede Windows Phone 8 (codenamed "Apollo"), slated for late 2012.

The Mango update is supposedly bigger than the January and/or February update, according to my sources. Mango is more like a Windows Phone OS 7.5 -- and may even be named that when it debuts.

I'm thinking the January/February update might actually be a single update. That first update is supposedly how Microsoft will deliver copy and paste to users. WinRumours.com reported recently that a possible second update will introduce enhanced developer controls for applications, access to programming interfaces that will allow for greater multi-tasking, in-app downloads and better customization.

Mango, according to tipsters, will add Silverlight run-time and HTML 5 support to Windows Phone 7, Far Eastern language support and other features and functionality. (Silverlight already is the primary development platform for Windows Phone 7 devices, but a Silverlight browser plug-in isn't yet available for the phones.)

I'm wondering if it also might add more enterprise functionality, as the first Windows Phone 7 devices are consumer-focused phones, as Microsoft execs themselves have acknowledged. The first crop of Windows Phone 7 devices only support a subset of Exchange ActiveSync's feature set, for example. As Windows Phone Secrets author Paul Thurrott recently noted, Microsoft officials have said they plan to gradually flesh out that list.

To be clear, none of this information is being confirmed by the Softies. I asked Microsoft for comment on its Windows Phone 7 CES plans, as there is talk that CES might be the launching pad for the first Verizon and Sprint CDMA Windows Phone 7 phones. I also asked about Microsoft's plans for updates, including Mango, in 2011. I received no response.

What kinds of features do you think are on the 2011 "must add" list for Windows Phone 7 if Microsoft is to really jump start sales (which are currently thought to be under 500,000 devices)?

Topics: Software, Microsoft, Mobility, Operating Systems, Windows

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for 30 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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  • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

    Copy & Paste is obvious. Better/IMAP support for Gmail (okay, that's a personal desire). MORE/BETTER APPS. Folders in the apps list. Unified inbox. Twitter people hub integration. One friend said Pandora is a must before he'll switch; I suspect that is common.
    ambroselittle
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle MORE/BETTER apps is NOT a Microsoft thing, its an ISV thing. Folders in Apps list? Naw, don't want ANY stupid iPhone tricks! Unified inbox? Bad idea, don't want business and personal mixing. Twitter hub, yeah that would work! Pandora, again, NOT a Microsoft thing.
      hermanwalton
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @hermanwalton More apps is, a least partially, a Microsoft thing. They need to build a usable development system (done), with complete APIs (mostly done), and bring in customers (not so done) in order to attract developers. Right now the biggest hurdle is convincing developers there is money to be made in the WP7 app-space.

        The unified inbox on iOS is really well implemented and saves a lot of time when checking mail. When you go to move mail you are shown, by default, folders just for the account the mail came in on - no chance of filing under the wrong account. And of course you can simply choose not to use the unified inbox.

        App folders would allow those users who want to better organize the long scrolling list of applications (not very cscalable design). But like the unified inbox, one would assume the user would get to decide whether or not to use them.
        rbgaynor
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @hermanwalton : more apps--ironically--is a Microsoft thing just as it were a Linux 'thing' when that OS was touted for the desktop. Creating a healthy ecosystem beats the "chicken-and-egg" situation: apps don't come if people don't buy, people don't buy if apps don't come.

        <i>P.S.: Kinda strange MS was set in situation for the first time in decades. Reason. The Windows Mobile/Phone strategy has been a mess ever since start-up, and--today--MS is paying dearly.</i>
        cosuna
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

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    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle
      ignore the troll... I'm with you on unified inbox but lets take it one step further. How about grouping the inboxes? Keep work and play separate but still allow you to view 1 unified inbox of mail you want grouped. Could be as easy as a drag and drop.

      Also, folders were nice on iPhone but instead of folders how cool would it be to create your own hubs. Move two apps together and combine content from them. These are the steps forward I'm expecting from WP7. Not the old desktop / iPhone metaphor but something smarter.
      uberlaff
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @uberlaff

        I like the create your own hub idea. Also would like to have mutliple start screens you could pull up with different live tiles for work vs when at home for example.

        Would also like the People hub to be opened up to devs. I would like to have the ability as a dev to add services right into the People hub aggregator.

        Some more integrated Bing features too! It is so elegant now but Images, Entertainment and Turn by Turn would be very welcome by me
        incendy
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle Why do you need Gmail IMAP support when you can use the native Exchange-based Gmail syncing in Windows Phone 7 (with push sync of email, contacts, calendar)? I definitely don't want folders in the apps list, but I DO want a better way to find apps. Alphabet buttons and search button integration would help. And I would definitely disable any Twitter integration in the People hub if that ever happens. That would crowd it up so much and most of the twitter things I do really require a separate app.
      AdamzP
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @AdamzP
        I agree with everyone about not having folders it's such a horrible organization method. Not only do you have hundreds of apps now you have hundreds of folders with thousands of apps. iPhone looks like it has has the measles. I do like the idea of an Alphabet button just like the people hub. As for twitter if people like it just add a new page to the people hub call it tweets or something instead of mixing it "What's new". HTML 5, flash, and silverlight I do want, I hate searching the web and not being able to access some of them. Lastly give me an image and video search on BING!! How hard is that you have it already while you remove from Bing on the WP7 OS.
        Duk3togo
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle I personally do not want folders or a unified inbox. Folders just don't feel right to me for this UI. I think a letter filter (like contacts) would be more than sufficient. I also think that a unified inbox would make the live tile a bit useless. I currently like that I can see when I have a work email versus a personal email.
      madoublet
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @madoublet I almost agree 100%. A unified inbox is a mess. However, a good organization idea for apps really need to be implemented. Maybe not "folders" per say, but something similar.
        Narg
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle

      Hmmm, Folders no thanks, twitter please no and I'm afraid I have no idea what Pandora is, ok looked it up - Internet radio? Hardly a deal breaker,

      My basic requirement is standard HTML5 or Flash. Either will do to allow me to produce sophisticated eLearning. Used to be able to run HTML 5 apps on the iPhone - not since the latest incarnation when they removed any possibility of using autoplay.

      So MS, please do not screw with HTML 5 like Apple.
      tonymcs@...
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle

      Unified inbox? I guess as long as its an option. i actually like all my accounts separate. Thats why I don't use outlook (at least the last time I used it) because I don't like the unified inbox.
      rkegel@...
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @ambroselittle tell your friend WP7 has Last.FM which is better than pandora anyway. ;)
      d20dad
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

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  • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

    *Browser support is very high on my list (HTML5 and faster JavaScript)
    *Multitasking (even limited support for timers, stopwatches, and music apps)
    *Backgrounds on start screen

    1.0 clean up:
    *Faster Bluetooth polling (< takes a while to connect to car and is not available at first, Sync is an MS solution and this should work better)
    *Podcast updates from phone
    *Camera app (remember preferences & rotation support in previews)
    *Search through phone content
    *Better organization in Marketplace
    *Faster app resuming from suspend state
    *Separate volume controls for ringtone, headphones, and alarms
    *Overall stability and performance (hey, it can never be too fast or too stable)
    *Copy & Paste
    uberlaff
    • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

      @uberlaff
      Bluetooth works like a charm for me. It connects to my car the moment I turn it on.
      youRstupid
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        @youRstupid
        interesting... do you have a Samsung Focus?
        uberlaff
      • RE: Tipsters: Windows Phone 7 'Mango' release to add HTML 5 support

        Bluetooth on Samsung focus is not that good. Sometimes it connects right away but it does no happen always. Bluetooth connection sometimes is lost in the middle of the call. Some fixes are clearly needed.
        paul2011