Vista SP1 Release Candidate expected next week

By | November 28, 2007, 7:13am PST

Microsoft is looking to release the Release Candidate (RC) test build of Windows Vista Service Pack (SP) 1 to selected testers the week of December 1, according to sources close to the company.

Microsoft’s plan is to expand the SP1 RC test to the general public by making the build available to any interested parties in the second week of December, sources said.

Microsoft is currently testing the escrow of the SP1 RC build internally. The build being tested internally is build number 17051, sources said.

Microsoft has said it is planning to deliver the final SP1 code in the first quarter of 2008.

Microsoft made a preview build of the Vista SP1 RC available to 15,000 pre-selected testers on November 14.

It’s not clear if Microsoft is planning to make next week’s RC of Vista SP1 available to Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) testers. Microsoft posted to the MSDN site on November 2 a note saying the company had made available for download a preview of the Vista SP1 code. But the note was posted in error.

I’ve asked Microsoft for confirmation on the latest SP1 RC schedule details. No word back yet.

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  • Vista SP1
    I have been using Vista for a few months now and I managed to get hold of an early release of SP1 for Vista. It did fix some issues, but Vista was still too sluggish for me to want to use as my business operating system. I went through the great pains needd to un-install Vista and put XP back. It wasn't until I did this that I realized how sluggish Vista is with many of the normal functions (such as copying files, or opening windows). I am personally telling people to hold off on Vista unless they have a very high end computer with a large amount of RAM. For the record, my computer is an HP 3.6Ghz 64bit machine with 2 gig of RAM and a 256Mb video card. Now that I am back to XP, I am really enjoying using the computer again. Please Microsoft, fix this OS or scrap it completely. By the way, I am Micrsoft MCSE 2003 certified.
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    iamthecowboy
    28th Nov 2007
  • Worked great for me
    Vista 64 on an overclocked Quad-core (Q6600) with 8GB of memory and a GTS8800 and a pair of RAID 1 arrays worked great. Performance was at least as good as my 1.6GHz Celeron running XP. Oh...apart from the driver issues...and the fact that I had to take out a video card because SLI was broken...and replace a scanner that didn't have certified drivers....and buy a new sound card because EAX wasn't supported for 4 months after release...and the occassional blue screen...and it took 5 times as long to copy files...and it occassionally trashes my Linux partitions by helping to format my "unformatted" drives...and my video encoders all broke....and a lot of my apps have to be run in a virtual XP machine....and I couldn't do an in-place upgrade from XP64.

    Ok...so maybe it hasn't been so great. But I'm running Vista! I have a beautiful Aero interface to watch while my machine is busy preparing to digitally hang itself from a protruding stack overflow.

    Vista works great for *some* people with very specific computing needs (mostly around using nothing but Office and maybe a game or three). But, the real issue is that the functional benefits really don't justify the 10-20% performance hit off the top and the compatibility headaches.

    I've also gone back to XP64. But I still have high hopes for SP1 Final.
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    jbenfield@...
    29th Nov 2007
  • my experience
    We needed a new PC a few months ago so I had a new Vista PC built. A somewhat high end one, not skimping on the pieces and parts. I have to say it shutsdown very slow and startup is twice as long as our 6 year old XP PC. We have had some odd issues with it (the most frustrating being the new printer when we print to it from time to time it does not recognize there is a printer and will reinstall the drivers... sometimes it still does not and you have to reboot it). There have been a few other oddball minor issues too. Quite honestly it is nice as far as graphics and all that but I long for 100% stable worked for years w/o problem XP.
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    redtrain65
    28th Nov 2007
  • I agree, redtrain
    Vista is very nice to look at, but very frustrating. Reminds me of my ex-wife...
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    Michael Of Atlanta
    29th Nov 2007
  • RE: Vista SP1 Release Candidate expected next week
    Will Microsoft ever release a OS that is complete and does not need a dozen updates. Have you installed XP lately, better pack a lunch. I will convert to Vista in a couple of years when the updates catch up.
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    tom13@...
    28th Nov 2007
  • Never need updates?
    Are you kidding?

    NONE of the OSes I use or have used on a continual basis since the '80s has EVER possessed "perfection", as you seem to want.

    Since I have used every major consumer or business OS, and at least one "Big Iron" OS (IBM JCL360), this means that I have NEVER encountered a single OS which was "perfect" (needing no further improvement or fixes) from Day One of its release.

    Why is this? Because NOTHING a man can "create" can EVER be "perfect", since an imperfect human being (and we are ALL imperfect) can NEVER create "perfection."

    Additionally, the Universe is subject to its own Laws, one of which demands that energy in an open system which is continually expanding can only decrease.

    A proof of that Law is the fact that everyone and every thing eventually breaks down, and return to the consitituent atoms from which they were made.

    Which means that there will always be machinery breaking down which needs fixing, always be errors in programs which need correcting, always be something newer and better to replace old or failing things.

    Ergo, updates, fixes, and upgrades will always be necessary. I will not say they are "a necessary evil", because updates, fixes, and upgrades are in no way "evil", but rather are "necessary good for Mankind."

    There will always be change, until all Suns die out or blow themselves back into atoms, and then all will return to the Great Darkness from which it came.

    In fine, the man who is seeking perfection in the reality surrounding him is doomed to failure. It just doesn't exist in this Universe.

    Have the "long" view, friend. Look beyond your own pain to the pain of others.

    BTW, the last time I installed XP, it took no more than 45 minutes to download and install EVERY UPDATE available for XP since Service Pack 2 was released. Of course, I do have a 10MIPS connection from Comcast. I would never have been able to do it out in the boondocks with a 23Kbps dial-up.

    Anyway,enough of my pontificating.

    Donald McDaniel
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    zarathustra2010
    29th Nov 2007
  • Pontification equals b******t!
    Your final sentence leads me to hope that your tongue was fairly firmly in you cheek when writing this contribution, as otherwise, you are going to have real trouble dealing with reality.
    Your first two paragraphs I can accept as true, as far as they go, and I can accept in the widest sense that paragraph 3 is true, but I can't accept its relevance to the reasons that OS's have such huge flaws. To expect a product to be well-designed, thoroughly tested and fit for purpose is not the same as demanding perfection.
    As a Chartered Engineer of some 35 years experience, including protyping some of the earliest processor controlled systems, but also having dealt with full "nuts, bolts, transistors and capacitors" engineering, I can advise that the level of badly designed, inadequately tested and unfit for purpose products generated by the software community as a whole, and the OS producers in particular can not be matched in any other branch of engineering.
    If any other type of product were sold with such blatant non-compliance with the claims made for it, and so unfit for purpose, trading standards authorities and courts of law would support consumers not only in demanding complete refunds, but in claims for consequential damages.
    As for your meander into the theories about patterns (not laws) of the Universe, this contains nothing of any relevance whatsoever. With regard to this "law" of decreasing energy in a continually expanding open system, the production of a product that delivers to specification, matches its marketing hype, and which is fit for purpose has nothing whatsoever to do with available energy, decreasing or otherwise, but is completely down to thoroughness, committment and honesty.
    Your analogy between machinery breaking down and errors in programmes is utterly invalid. The former results from wear and tear, overload or error in use, amongst other contributory causes. Computer code has no capacity to suffer from wear and tear, and in the case of OS's is self-defining in its load and correct usage. Admittedly the hardware can be insufficient for the load placed on it, but that is another matter altogether.
    Errors are caused only by human error or negligence, and of course, that is where your original statement about human imperfection is relevant, but this is why, in all other branches of design, prototyping, testing, etc., so much emphasis is placed on suitable and sufficient testing, together with multiple layers of safeguard. Much of my career was associated with systems to ensure safety in transport systems, and the possibility for error will have multiple safeguard layers in use to ensure that it can only cause failure when each of the multiple layers have not performed to the required level. Probability dictates that, in such circumstances, this is of such a low probability as to be acceptable - absolute perfection being impossible as you rightly say.
    The numerous bugs that either take so very long to iron out, or never get ironed out at all, in these OS's are far too prevalant to fit the category of low probability. Hence, the simple fact is that the systems have been under-designed and under-tested.
    If you want to consider the true "why?" for this question, this comes from the combination of:
    >Trying to be too ambitious, responding to the pressure placed by the consumer and applications designers to achieve more than the state of the art is ready for. They have not learnt the less of other branches of engineering to exercise restraint in trying to achieve the all-singing, all-dancing, adjusting their customers' expectations to a level that can be met with confidence in its performance. Engineers are often considered to be negative, placing obstacles in the way, but in fact they are exercising their professionalism in protecting the customer from the effects of over-ambition.
    >The desire/demand to achieve huge financial returns sooner rather than later, at the lowest cost possible, leading to inadequate time spent on either design or testing.
    >A complete lack of care for their end-customers, engendered by the lack of genuine competition.
    >The fact that we have all come to accept that computer systems appear to be exempt from the simple trading rules that apply to all other products.
    Now I've pontificated at great length, but at least I believe it has far higher relevance and accuracy, even though it does not solve the problem.
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    rpemberton@...
    29th Nov 2007
  • pfft
    you're an idiot
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    zupobaloop
    29th Nov 2007
  • Engineering Perfection (Pontification from the dark side)
    Well, y'know...people make mistakes...we can't possibly test every scenario....QA is expensive.

    Didn't you know that car length sections of the Golden Gate bridge were replaced with sheets of stiff cardboard when they rebuilt it? They had an official opening date. They didn't have time to do the engineering properly for the loads and they didn't have any test cases for it. It was painted nicely and the lines were very straight and pretty. If cars were driving fast enough, they'd just pass right over them, so what's the harm? They're all being patched in Golden Gate SP1. The vehicles that fell through landed in water and the people could swim away, so no harm done. We didn't need those silly engineers or QA people.

    I have to chime in and say that rpemberton hit the nail on the head. People have come to accept that computers crash, viruses are a fact of life, software is broken on delivery, etc. Engineering in software development is nothing more than a title in most organizations. I'm surrounded by "software engineers" that have no background in engineering. Computers are assembled peicemeal in the basements of high school students and the entire test cycle is running a prime number generator overnight. Yes, we've become totally lax in the way that we treat computers and software.

    But...the flip side is that we no longer pay $2500 for an OS, $10K for a computer or $500 for a simple text editor that we then have to compile ourselves. With the commoditization of computers and software, we've had to sacrifice the expensive things like good design, testing and gauranteed reliability. If you assume that these are optional, then the true engineers end up on the street begging for quarters while the developers with the "wild west" mentality are the ones that end up running the show. Or worse, executives, sales and marketing staff design the products and developers execute on the designs. That means lots of "cool features" and "stuff that's fun to code" and a lot less control, restraint and true understanding of the interrelationships and impacts. We have only ourselves to blame. We buy the "cool stuff" and ignore the reliable and known. We insist on lower costs which translates to lower margins and less incentive to make "quality" products. We scream for frequent releases just for the sake of getting the latest and greatest upgrades. Seriously, what functions in Word do you use today that weren't in the product 10 years ago? How important is it to professionally typeset a memo in Outlook? Who in their right mind actually uses all of the features in Microsoft Project? Even Microsoft doesn't use them. But the market wants more crap for lower cost. So that's exactly what we get. More crap.

    Congrats to Microsoft for being the dominant dealer in our drug of choice. I, for one, will be lining up for my next fix along with the rest of the addicts. (and bitching about it the whole time)
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    jbenfield@...
    29th Nov 2007
  • Exactly....
    Thanks jbenfield, you have summarised my conclusion nicely. The feature hungry customer/consumer always provides the desire that fuels the exploitation. Like you, despite my mailing, I queue up for the next fix as a consumer.

    However, in other fields of engineering, it is the job of the engineer to protect the consumer from the consequences of delivering their fix. I guess the analogy follows through, in that their position is to be the medic who flags up the dangers from substance abuse, and in a sensible society there is a legislature that backs that up with preventative action.

    And the real point at the end is exactly as you describe - when the executives, sales and marketing staff hold the decision, the true engineers end up on the street, replaced by the wild west variety, outcome - high levels of stress to the consumer when their system gives them a bad trip.

    Yet again, your very first scenario makes its point well. I concede that, in some cases, the "true engineer" is the cause of progress grinding to a halt as their pursuance of perfection, or more often of design preference, rather than design to specification, takes over. However, as the cars in the water with people swimming for the side depicts, there are two extremes, and there is a balance that's worth trying to achieve. For the reasons that we have already discussed, the balance seems to be tilted completely to one side in this field of life, and I don't believe we're ever going to get it level, as the tilting force so far outweighs any balancing force that could ever be applied.

    Incidentally zupobaloop, it's so refreshing to be able to read intelligent debate.
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    rpemberton@...
    1st Dec 2007
  • Do us ALL a favor...
    and go back to DOS. No updates required. Then STFU about patches b/c all modern GUI-based OS's require patching. Better yet, power down the computer and go talk to your toaster.
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    Hey_Joe
    29th Nov 2007
  • They knew before releasing Vista!
    Since Long Horn - Microsoft was soooo late and Balmer tired of public/media's question about WHEN! they released Vista too early (not talking about consumers - about the quality of the product).

    Trying to compete with Google is also consuming tons of energy/money and we are paying for all this.

    We will remember when they release the next OS! we might ask the 3$ version installed on the OLPC and that will be enough for us wink
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    msftzzz
    29th Nov 2007
  • xp user now
    Last January I bought a new computer with xp and got the update for Vista but when it came I read all the problems people were having I said to myself wait. My old computer was windows 98 and 6 years old and I was afraid of xp but it wasn't so bad after all but I have the software here waitng for all the problems to be worked out and then I will put Vista on.
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    bmr1955
    29th Nov 2007
  • xp user now
    I have had Vista Ultimate now for about 6 mos. and have had only one glitch. It lost a driver for my printer, but this was only once. I like it otherwise and think that it is a fairly stable product. It comes up a lot faster than my old XP did. However, you need lots and lots of hard drive and memory.
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    ar64838@...
    29th Nov 2007
  • Vista User
    I'm a certifiable tech with all my M$ certs as well as my RedHat certs and I switched to Vista almost a year ago. Other than having to download and install a patch to combat the slow file transfer I've had absolutely no problems with vista. My machine isn't all that new (Pentium D 940 @3.2GHZ, 2GB Ram 2 160 Maxtor SATA II Drives 2 Liteon DVD+/-RW) and it performs as well as or better than XP. Maybe it's because my machine is scared of me, maybe not. Who knows. Now I'm no M$ fanboy, but my clients use M$ products, so I do as well. I remember everyone saying just about the same thing when XP first came out, so I say, get over it and grow up.
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    TheMasterTech
    29th Nov 2007

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