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What would it take to get you to run IE9 on Windows 7?

By | November 4, 2011, 9:14am PDT

Summary: Microsoft has launched a holiday promotion to attempt to get more Windows 7 and Vista users to try Internet Explorer 9.

For those of you Windows 7 and Windows Vista users not running Internet Explorer (IE) 9 as your browser of choice, would free music and movies be enough to entice you to switch?

Microsoft is looking to entice users who aren’t running IE 9 to give it a whirl, using a holiday promotion as an incentive. But in my case, freebies aren’t enough of a reason for me to switch.

During our taping of the November 3 Windows Weekly episode, Windows SuperSite’s Paul Thurrott, TWiT’s Leo Laporte and I all noted that we use Chrome on Windows 7. As the latest worldwide Net Applications data from October made plain, we’re not alone. Net Applications found Chrome to have 16.6 percent of the combined desktop/mobile browsing share last month, and IE (all versions combined) to have 49.59 percent.

Chrome is gaining marketshare among those browsing the Web from their desktop. Internet Explorer is continuing to lose overall marketshare there, even though the share of IE 9 on Windows 7 is growing. (IE 9 runs on Windows 7 and Windows Vista but not on Windows XP.) And on the mobile phone/device front — where Chrome doesn’t currently play — IE’s share is still miniscule, as the overall Windows Phone marketshare is still quite small.

As I’ve blogged before, I use Chrome because it’s light weight and it opens Web pages faster on my PC than IE does. I know there are speed test results out there that show IE is the fastest. It’s just not the case on my PC, and so far I’ve been unable to figure out why. It could be the result of other programs I have installed. It is not due to browser extensions. IE 9 is slower for me even when I turn off all my extensions.

Microsoft is trying a new tack this holiday season to get more Windows users to try IE 9. As Winbeta.org noted last night, Microsoft is offering users who download IE 9 and pin various sites to their task bar a variety of freebies, including music, movies and other goodies. Among partners participating in the giveaway are Slacker Radio, Pandora, Ticketmaster, Vimeo, Grooveshark, Hulu and Fandango.

(When you go to the IE 9 holiday promo page, Microsoft detects your browser. As you can see on the screen shot below, it detected I am running Chrome 15. Click on the page to enlarge.)

Would these kinds of give-aways make you non-IE-using customers load Microsoft’s latest browser? In my case, the answer is no, as performance trumps all when I’m browsing.

Speaking of IE, I asked Microsoft earlier this week when those running the IE 10 preview on Windows 7 and Vista machines could expect an updated test build. I was told by a spokesperson that Microsoft had nothing more to share at this time. Microsoft’s last developer preview (Platform Preview 2) for Windows 7 and Vista users of IE 10 was on June 29. Microsoft officials said earlier this year that they planned to roll out new dev previews for IE 10 on these operating systems every three months — which means there should have been something out around late September.

Microsoft also made two test versions of IE 10 available to users of the Windows 8 developer preview in September as part of the Windows 8 dev preview bits. Microsoft also is not commenting on whether there will be any updates to the IE 10 code before the company releases the Windows 8 beta.

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RE: What would it take to get you to run IE9 on Windows 7?
curmudgen@... 20th Jan
I loaded IE9 from MS downloads. It locked my homepage to BING and disabled my ability to change that with some other things. I have 2 WIN 7, 3 XP, a spare with 2000. I have an MCP and was a sys admin for some major enterprises. I run a 3g, 12gb,128gb SSD, 1 TB on a 42" screen. It took me a week to get it off and it will not be reloaded.
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It's impredictable
leoberto 4th Nov
On my computer with Windows 7, Internet Explorer 9's behavior is unpredictable. I have to recover webpages all the time, it freezes (especially running Flash), it's sluggish and work with a lot of tabs is painful. The absence of extensions is also a minus.
@leoberto "it freezes (especially running Flash)" NO! ... REALLY? ... And what does that lead you to conclude?

1) That there's something wrong with your copy of IE?
2) That there's something wrong with your copy of Flash?

If you answered (1), then you're wrong.

If you answered (2), then why are you complaining about IE's stability and performance? You should be complaining about Adobe's product.

Sounds like you need to un-install, clean-up and re-install Flash:


Download the Flash uninstaller to your desktop from here: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html
Reboot your machine and log-in again. Close as many apps (including toolbar apps & gadgets) as possible
Run uninstaller
Reboot once more for good measure
Now login and go to Adobe's website and install the latest version of Flash once more


Adobe have made A LOT of improvements to the latest version of Flash and you shouldn't see the crashes that have been plaguing you recently
@bitcrazed
I have the same problem as leoberto has with IE9. You could say that Flash is at fault here and not IE. But Chrome also has Flash, but doesn't crash for me as often as IE does. And yes, I have the latest version of Flash installed on my PC.
The biggest problem with IE9 for me is that its behaviour is quite jerky. It may trump others in benchmarks, but experience on it is very choppy. This is why people are increasingly choosing Chrome over IE9. FF7 too has a big problem, it keeps hanging for a few seconds every 2 minutes for me. Chrome really is the most fluid browser out there.
It is right to criticize MS for how Flash works on IE9. They aren't working with Adobe as closely as Google is.
@regsrini - if you choose to change your car's t[i|y]res to P0 low-profile units, you don't then get to complain about how "hard" your car's ride is.

Go complain to Adobe about how poor Flash behaves on your machine(s). Microsoft doesn't have access to Adobe's code and cannot fix/change and ship it - that's entirely in Adobe's hands.

FWIW, I have had Chrome crash 4 times this week alone, despite it running smoothly for several weeks previously. 3 crashes were due to Flash and one was a crash within the WebKit rendering engine.

I also logged a bug in Chrome a couple of weeks ago for a long-standing issue that has yet to be responded to in any way. I also logged the same problem with Firefox and that turned out to be marked as a repro of an issue first reported in Feb 2002.

All browsers have bugs and issues and none of the vendors are perfect in their response, regardless of what fanboys of any particular vendor would have you believe.
@bitcrazed I don't have Flash installed at all (I refuse outright), and IE is slow, buggy, and crashes all the time. Hmmmm, maybe IE is at fault?
@bitcrazed

Chrome automatically updates flash player
Firefox nags you when flash player is out of date and sends you to Adobe's website
How does IE9 solve this problem
Oh yeah! 5 or more tiny steps
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@bitcrazed

This is why people don't use IE. Because anytime they have a problem, it's a 12 step process. Uninstall flash, reinstall flash, reboot, close apps, reboot again, etc etc etc.

This is why Apple is gaining ground. People are tired of it. They're just tired of it all.

Why is it that this guy can run chrome with no problems but not IE? And what sucks is I *love* IE9, I really do - I love the idea of pinning sites like amazon to my task bar, I love pinning hotmail to it.

But it's the little things... no spell check... and *why* can I not download attachements from a pinned hotmail session? (Seriously, to download attachements from hotmail I either have to open an true blue IE session or use firefox/chrome.)

Maybe I should reboot?
Microsoft needs to look at the top add-ons that people are downloading for Firefox and Chrome and make those available for IE. They need to streamline the install process and update process for add-ons as well.

The main issue is the lack of good add-ons and the archaic install process for the existing add-ons. I have been using Firefox for several years because it has the best add-ons. I have price comparison extensions built in that tell me the best price of an item I'm looking at, I have Lazarus installed which saves everything I write in forms in case the browser crashes or I lose the page I'm on, Firefox always remembers and opens up the tabs from my previous sessions, I have YouTube add-ons which make sure that videos always play at the highest resolution and start buffering the instant the page loads, I also have ad-blockers. Chrome has many of these add-ons which IE9 lacks and its the reason Chrome is going to overtake Firefox soon. Microsoft needs to look at the top add-ons that people are downloading for Firefox and Chrome and make those available for IE.
I already am. wink And why do you have to "switch"? I actually use all three major browsers (IE, Firefox, and Chrome) and alternate between them on a daily basis.
@statuskwo5 ME too....also, I occasionally crack open Opera and Safari, which are also installed on my machine. I find that I'm using IE9 more often than I used to, and it has become my predominant browser, with FireFox 2nd, and Chrome 3rd.
@gomigomijunk: Why do you possibly need 5 browsers?
@statuskwo5 +1 I think this is often overlooked that many people use several browsers. For me, IE9 is my primary, but there are definitely sites which work better in Chrome. So, I just use whichever one works best at the time. There's no cost in doing this, so imo it's a moot point. Use the browser that works best for you in a given situation.
@statuskwo5
Same here, I use each one for what it seems best suited for.
@statuskwo5

One of the basic reasons that I do not run IE 9.0 is because of the lack of built-in spell checker. The lack of important plug-ins or extensions is another issue. Unless these issues are corrected, I just do not see me running IE regularly, although I use it on occasons
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Id never run IE Again. In fact on my W7 Netbook I "uninstalled" it.
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Wow. Talk about POS
William Farrell 4th Nov
@itguy10
that desribes all of your posts! happy
@William Farrell

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Good to know.
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I already do.
rhonin 4th Nov
I have all browsers installed on my Win7 64 Pro system and routinely play one off against the other.

ie9 and Chrome get the lions share of the use.

Now if you could combo those two into one...... happy
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FYI
rhonin 4th Nov
Addendum:

On my other systems, ie9 is the browser of choice.
I get the most consistent results and speed compared to other browsers based on the sites I routinely visit
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Personally I think the days of browser superiority wars are over. Todays browsers are far more similar in performance and security than they ever have been. There is no clear advantage of one browser over another and it really just boils down to features and preference. Some people like to mock IE users as being uninformed and at one time Firefox and then Chrome were far better. But right now, its just not the case anymore. Good arguments can be made for or against any of them.

Personally I use Chrome mostly but IE9 more and more as its there and it just works.
It was a non-starter for me when I discovered I couldn't mouse-over the bookmark pane and use my scroll wheel to scroll through my bookmarks. FF has no problem doing this.
What would it take? Fix the problems.
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@MJ: Erm ... According to the IE10 download page, the (third and latest) version of the IE10 platform preview was released on September 13th 2011 as announced on the IE blog.
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Different IE versions
Mary Jo Foley 4th Nov
It's confusing, but the PP3 isn't for Win 7 and XP users (as far as I was told). It was for Win 8 only (desktop and Metro versions). MS told me it was NOT an update for PP2 on Win 7 and Vista. They said there will be an update to PP2 on Win 7 and Vista at some "unspecified future date." Still hasn't happened, I believe.. MJ
@Mary Jo Foley - Ahhh, I see what you're getting at. You're right, IE10 PP3 isn't separately installable for Win7. I guess we will see PP4 appear in early December.
@Mary Jo Foley It feels so odd! Like radio is saying it likes this song more than that. And I really like this! When all people today are rushing out to give their personal and "expert" advices on every kind of news out there, you only report the truth and the absolute truth. But I did love your brief rumour posts. What a breath of fresh air! Always found it amusing that actual content was less than the BIG RED labels on the top. grin

Now on topic: I use IE 9 and don't feel any sluggishness. But I do concede the finishing is more on chrome. When I switched from chrome to IE9, it was new and much better than chrome (which had then acquired a horrible new tab; recently they have found a final design for the new tab).

But in IE, they have some minor but pretty illogical decisions to be blunt - small things that I don't even like writing down (eg their One-Bar or the tabs' placement or the right click menu). The base is very strong, the design is quite pleasing and natural with windows. But they just haven't got same time as chrome to polish things up. Win8 is looking great though.
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Microsoft, why bother?
A Gray 4th Nov
I don't understand why Google, Microsoft, Firefox even care. its free. No money can be made from it. If I were Microsoft, I'd just say we don't do browsers anymore, and, oh, BTW, if you install a browser on Windows you get Bing (the real money maker) by default.

I love open source or free software. I wish I could get an open source house cleaner, mechanic or gardener. maybe Google will mow my lawn if I promise to use its search engine?
@A Gray

I think they bother to ensure people benefit from the new security features e.g. SmartScreen as well as get a decent performance boost. Plus, having Bing as the default on IE9 would likely mean a little extra ad money.
I don't understand why people have so many issues with IE on their machines. My friends tell me all the time about lock ups, slowness, etc. and I quite honestly just don't have that happen. I like Chrome but IE runs just as fast if not faster.
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Why IE 9 runs slow on my Win 7 PC
Mary Jo Foley 4th Nov
I really wish I knew the answer. It takes far longer for pages to load for me in IE 9 than in Chrome on my machine -- even with all extensions and add-ons turned off... Still haven't been able to get to the bottom of the reason(s). MJ
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This is why we love Mary Jo...
jasonp@... 4th Nov
Her bread and butter is Microsoft, but she doesn't sugar coat everything and act like anyone having problems is either lying or doesn't know what they're doing. Mr. Bott could learn a few things from her...
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Mary Jo Is A Pain Up Microsoft's Arse
ldo17 Updated - 4th Nov
@jasonp@... I think she's been blacklisted from getting interviews with any Microsoft personnel. If you want proof that she tells it like it is, what better than that?
@Mary Jo Foley To be honest I think you have something wrong with your IE install (or Win7) While there are sites where Chrome is faster, 95% of the time the page loads the same speed on both browsers. Given you are noticing "far longer" times as a rule, there's no question IMO that there is something wrong with your IE/Win7 install. If you have the ability to do this, I'd find a site that you know to have significant differences in speed when using IE/Chrome on your PC and then try it on a colleague's PC to see if does the same thing.
@Mary Jo Foley That's because like all IE's, IE9 also obeys server-sent cache commands. For instance, when you load a page, Chrome immidiately caches all CSS, JS etc. text files, even server tells "check if changed" so when you next time, it does not loose time to check if file has changed or not. That's not the case for poor IE, it obeys what server tells it to do. You have to manually CTRL+f5 pages with both Chrome & Firefox for a simple CSS / JS change in your code for instance. IE9 you see instantly.

Plus don't forget x64 version of IE9 still does not work with Chakra engine still still using old engine...
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IE9 has promise
n.ang 4th Nov
IE9 needs to match Firefox's keyboard usability, and finer script-blocking control, before I would consider switching from Firefox. I want domain-based (as against site-based) script blocking, and the ability to touch type-navigate through hyperlinks easily without using a mouse.

IE9 also has keyboard input focus issues when using apps such as Google Reader and Google Mail. Its notification panels also steal keyboard focus; the inability to disable them is also an irritant (if there's a registry hack for that, I don't want to know about it).

I remain receptive to switching to IE9 if these usability issues are addressed. In other respects, it appears to be a fine browser based on my experience.
$100,000 cash.
$200,000 for me. And even then there's no guarantee that I'll use it.

silly
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I already use it
William Farrell 4th Nov
it works fine, I have no need to switch to something else as "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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I'm using Chrome also. I would like to switch to IE9, because a few websites I use routinely don't work properly with Chrome. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out a way to sync bookmarks with my Xoom and Droid3. If I find a way to do that, I will probably switch. I haven't noticed any significant difference in speed between IE9 and Chrome, and freebies don't matter to me.
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xmarks.com
toddybottom 4th Nov
@pdth
It synchronizes bookmarks between chrome and IE (and probably most other browsers) and I believe it works with Android.
I really like IE9. It's better at touch than Chrome. But the only reason I still use chrome is the keyboard shortcut to change the search engine. Makes life so much easier. Especially when it auto-loads other sites search functionality like Wikipedia or IMDB.
It's slow & buggy. I'm using it on Win7 Pro as a secondary browser. I'm using it now to write this post; it's horrible! It could be my company Dell Vostro, or a combination of two terrible products.

Chrome is so much faster.
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Different strokes
LiquidLearner 4th Nov
@D.Leerius

for different folks. Although on my PC IE9 launches fastest of the 3 browsers I have installed, FF and Chrome being the other two. Chrome works better on Google sites (shocker, right?) and overall IE9 is better if you ask me. I like tracking protection. I also enjoy having IE9 set to Google for default search and Chrome set to Bing. Just because.
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I notice, in visiting the page from IE9 that the same announcement is there and there is a tip for using IE9 (the one I saw was a short video on pinning sites to the Windows 7 task bar). It seems that many users don't know much about the new features - I tend to avoid many of them since I don't seem to be in the demographic where they appeal.
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As a web developer...
rjohn05 4th Nov
I run all three but IE is a bit disappointing since it is a tad slower than Chrome. I find myself using Chrome the most and I almost never use Firefox unless I am testing something.
I already run IE9 on my Windows 7 computers and it runs fast and smooth virtually all the time.

I was running Chrome, but it gets buggier and more unstable with each release. It's always freezing and losing connectivity requiring a restart. I run it at work on XP because it's marginally better than IE8, but it's getting worse and worse here too.
It would have to start with a free copy of Windows 7
@mrlinux and then what?
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The answer is Adblock Plus and NoScript.
peter_erskine@... 4th Nov
And preferably also Ghostery. These are the reasons I run Firefox. Apart from the fact that I like Firefox, and don't like IE.
I loaded IE9 from MS downloads. It locked my homepage to BING and disabled my ability to change that with some other things. I have 2 WIN 7, 3 XP, a spare with 2000. I have an MCP and was a sys admin for some major enterprises. I run a 3g, 12gb,128gb SSD, 1 TB on a 42" screen. It took me a week to get it off and it will not be reloaded.

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