What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

Summary: Microsoft is getting more active in tweaking Kinect and Avatar Kinect to make them more attractive to business users.

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During this week's Microsoft Research Faculty Summit, Microsoft Chief Research and Strategy Officer Craig Mundie confirmed what was already largely suspected: Avatar Kinect will be available worldwide as of next week.

Update (July 25): Microsoft has made Avatar Kinect available for download. It is free for all Xbox Live Silver and Gold members through September 8 (and remains free for Gold members after that time).

Mundie also shared more about some of the ways Microsoft is tweaking Kinect and Avatar Kinect to make them more attractive to business users in both the nearer and longer terms. Mundie made it plain that Microsoft envisions a day when Kinect camera/sensors could be embedded in PCs and phones.

Avatar Kinect is technology that allows users, in the form of avatars, to hold virtual meetings using their Xboxes and Kinect sensors. While the initial target audience for Avatar Kinect is Xbox users, Microsoft is already is working on ways to make the technology relevant to business customers.

Mundie noted during his Faculty Summit remarks that Avatar Kinect will be available free to Xbox Live Gold users. "(T)he V.1 (Avatar Kinect) product is going to be out there in the next few weeks, and if you're an Xbox LIVE Gold subscriber, you can essentially have multiparty meetings with your friends anywhere in the world, up to eight people at a time, as your avatars," Mundie told conference attendees.

But longer term, business users conducting "real meetings" are another target audience for Avatar Kinect. Right out of the gate, it will improve on the existing videoconferencing experience, Mundie said. From a transcript of his remarks:

"There's a number of things you can do with the Avatar Kinect. One of them is, it has a Kinect videoconference facility. And what's interesting about it is that, while it's just more traditional videoconferencing, the camera tracks you as you move around. So, you're now sitting some significant distance away from the screen. So, many of the problems that you have with traditional sort of PC-based videoconferencing, where when you're so close the angular displacement of the camera from where your gaze is gives you that very weird sensation. When you're far back, that angle becomes just a couple of degrees, and the gaze problem is sort of automatically corrected."

But Microsoft isn't stopping there. Officials believe that to be accepted in business settings, the Avatar Kinect avatars will need to morph a bit to be "more photo real," Mundie said. Microsoft also will need to enable the Kinect to track hands and even finger movements -- something the device doesn't do now -- though something that some Kinect hackers inside and outside of Microsoft already have working.

Here's what Mundie told the academics attending this week's conference about Kinect and hand tracking:

"Another thing we're working on, and we did some work in Avatar Kinect, is tracking the hands. In the major games, we stopped at the wrist, because at that distance, there's not enough sensor resolution to do the individual digits of your hand. But, when you get a little up close, and you're not moving so fast, we can basically even get down to the hands and finger movements. So, I think all of these things will prove, obviously, the silicon environment will improve the sensor technology, and we'll keep moving that along, too."

Microsoft also is allowing users to create custom "sets," or stages, for their kinds of meetings. The initial Avatar Kinect release will provide users with 16 pre-made sets, ranging from tailgate parties to the TV interview set, Mundie noted. "But, obviously if this is going to become broader, or be applied in ultimately more commercial applications, you don't want to just go look at the sets that we have, you want to make your own," he said.

At that point, there was some kind of a demo during the Faculty Summit, the content of which Microsoft edited out, the transcript notes. But it sounds from hints below that in the transcript that he demonstrated a scenario involving Kinect's sensors, voice, gesture and touch technologies in a medical setting.

In the longer term, Microsoft execs are thinking that the Kinect sensor won't necessarily need to remain a separate, standalone device. Mundie offered no timeframe as to when that might happen, but did say he could see the Kinect sensor technology finding its way into cell phones or laptops. From the transcript:

"(T)here's no reason to think that these won't go through the same progression that we've seen with other sensor technologies. I could dream about a day where anywhere today that you have a camera, which is the back of your cell phone, or the bezel of your laptop, there's no reason to think that over time that camera shouldn't be this kind of camera. And there's obviously a lot of work yet to go to produce that level of miniaturization, but I don't see any fundamental reason to think that wouldn't happen. And therefore many of these things I think will be available in the mobile environment in one form or another."

I'd been wondering when Microsoft might incorporate Kinect sensors into PCs and phones. I'm also wondering how Kinect  and Avatar Kinect will dovetail with Skype and Lync, Microsoft's unified messaging product. Thoughts?

Topics: Microsoft, Hardware, Mobility

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for 30 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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  • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

    these cartoonish characters won't save kinect & xbox from an epic failure. Just check the real news about it at http://techrights.org/2010/09/21/defective-overhyped-kinect/.
    The rest of M$ will follow son.
    Linux Geek
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @Linux Geek

      You are such a sad, pathetic little man.
      cantbeme
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @cantbeme I couldn't agree with you more. I am so sick of ABM'ers!
        A good product is a good product whether it be the iphone, Windows Phone, Xbox, ipad, Kinect!
        jatbains
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @cantbeme
        but a lot more real than those M$ avatars. ;)
        Linux Geek
      • That's not true - you're not real, Linux Geek

        @Linux Geek

        nobody who knows what the word Linux is would be as wrong and transparent as you are! ;)
        William Pharaoh
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @Linux Geek
        "but a lot more real than those M$ avatars. wink"

        hmm, so you do agree that you're a real sad, pathetic little man. smh, so sad.

        at least the geeks I know do their research and are well informed....you're like a wanna-be-geek who has no idea about anything.
        blazing_smiley_face
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        <a href="http://www.riseuniversity.com/schools-majors/political-science-and-public-administration/">public administration school</a>
        <a href="http://www.riseuniversity.com/schools-majors/psychology/">Online Psychology degree</a>
        Karston1234
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @Linux Geek Let's see, that link refers to a blog prior to Kinect's launch; and they were so dead on in their predictions:

      "Microsoft says it expects Kinect sales to top 3 million units by the end of the year, but that?s just nonsense because they usually end up missing their optimistic targets/projections, which are intended to be self-fulfilling prophecies. It?s marketing, that?s all. "

      Hmmmm, they sold 8 million units in the first 60 days, far outpacing any other consumer electronics product ever. So yes, that is a VERY authoritative article.
      CTOSea
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @CTOSea<br>Well, to be fair, Microsoft did miss the 3 million units sold prediction. By a *lot*. Sure, it was because they actually sold 8 million, but the prediction was wrong anyway! :P
        CarlitosLx
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @CarlitsosLx [Slapping his forehead....] My bad; of course you are right--Microsoft got it all wrong as usual, and Linux Geek is correct. Sorry for being so stupid....
        CTOSea
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @Linux Geek

      that article you linked to sound like it was written by a 13 year old and it's a bout 10 months too late to be of any relevance. for the year Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division has made the company almost $9 billion dollars.

      the kinect has made the guinese book of record as the fastest selling consumer device in history so far.
      the xbox 360 has been the best selling device for 13 months now, so the kinect and xbox are actually epic wins.

      my girl LOVES kinect, and I LOVE to see her dancing around in her panties and bra so that's a win in my book.
      blazing_smiley_face
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @Linux Geek

      I hadn't seen anything from the French fisherman for a day or so and now he's back. I guess his parents gave him back his internet privileges. Too bad for us.
      Sir Name
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @Sir Name
        That's no French fisherman, it's a tea party soldier taking our country back: http://www.teapartysoldier.com/
        Linux Geek
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @French Fisherman

        So you admit that your parents took away and then restored your internet privileges? I, too, would like to take my country back. I'd like to take it back from the idiotic teatard hordes who take their marching orders from their corporate masters via Fox News and right wing radio.
        Sir Name
      • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

        @Sir Name
        so you are crazy tax and spend devilcrat that's shilling for M$. No need to tell more!
        Linux Geek
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @Linux Geek
      you sir are a "POS". that news is old news. the article was published in oct'2010.
      teeboy75
  • Touchless gestures is a big need for me...

    I am tired of having to clean my phone screen because of the smudges. Touch screens can get pretty nasty and someone needs to save us from that.
    rjohn05
    • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

      @rjohn05 Microsoft has patents on gestures controlling UI using front facing cameras. so I have a very big feeling that as windows phones start getting front facing cameras in masse we see Microsoft start delivering on those patents. the also have such tech they call pixel sense. so don't worry, Microsoft will save you from that soon.
      blazing_smiley_face
  • Hmm...

    Said this a while ago: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6195986/windows_phone_7_with_kinect_and_3d.html?cat=15
    jk_10
  • RE: What's next for Kinect? Next week, avatar meetings; Later, PC and phone integration

    That Kinect is a good product remains to be proven. Hyped technology built on top of a completely obsolete platform (Xbox 360). Plus Kinect is something like 3D for me, an incentive to buy games, but almost none of them provide any real value.
    atari_z