What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Summary: Now that Microsoft's Windows 8 Developer preview has been out for just over a month, what do some of the hackers of earlier leaked builds think of it?
Before Microsoft made a first public developer preview of Windows 8 available in September, a number of hackers had been tearing apart leaked earlier builds to try to discern what was new and different in the coming operating system.
Now that these same hackers have had a chance to tinker with Windows 8, I thought it would be interesting to see what surprised them and what they've learned since getting their hands on the developer preview release.
I asked three individuals -- all of whom I've spoken with previously about Windows 8 -- for their latest takes. The three: Michael Brown (MB): Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) in Client Application Development, and President Kharasoft, Inc., blogging at http://azurecoding.net/blogs/brownie, and tweeting at @browniepoints. Jose Fajardo: Senior Developer involved with Silverlight “and other cool things,” who blogs at http://advertboy.wordpress.com, and tweets at @josefajardo. Sandro Villinger (SV): Blogger, book author who writes extensively about Microsoft and operating systems for ITWorld and runs the TuneUp Blog.
Fajardo's response to my query is worth noting, as he has been one of the most vocal of the hackers of early Windows 8 builds. When I asked about his perceptions of the Developer Preview release, he told me:
"Unfortunately I haven’t been playing much with Win 8 and it’s purely because I just don’t feel compelled to build anything for it until it can support my interests. What I’m waiting for is: 1. DirectX in WinRT so that I can use DirectX in my XAML apps; 2. XNA in XAML (SL5 3DApi has still to make it into XAML, I’m waiting on DrawingSurface etc.); and 3. Blend tooling to help create XAML apps, currently it only allows us to create HTML apps."
The other two I contacted had spent a lot of time with the Developer Preview and had some interesting observations. Here are my questions and their answers:
MJF: What’s your biggest surprise about Win 8 now that you’ve gotten to work with the Dev Preview for a month-plus?
MB: Once Windows 8 was made available, I installed it on primary laptop dual booting Windows 7. I planned to just kick the tires around, but two weeks later I realized I had only booted into Windows 7 once (to get a file that was locked on the Windows 7 partition).
I didn’t have many surprises from a developer’s view. I think all of my assumptions based on what had gone public were all spot on except one: no emulation for “classic” desktop. The biggest surprise to me is that the “classic” desktop is full on Windows. (Previously) I was hypothesizing that classic mode would only be supported through Emulation/Virtualization similar to Windows XP mode on Windows 7. Instead, it is a full blown desktop. I have yet to have any application compatibility problems. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been surprised. It seems Microsoft swallowed a bitter pill with Vista and are cautious when it comes to breaking changes.
Another surprise came when I pressed the start button from the classic desktop. Instead of seeing the start menu it took me to the Metro Shell. It took me a second to figure out what was going on. Then I realized the new “Metro Shell” is in reality the new start menu. When I got the tip that typing in the start menu brings up application search including classic desktop apps, I was happy. In reality that’s all I use the start menu for now (on Windows 7). I think it’s a bold move but it makes the new Start Menu the star of the stage.
SV: Battery Life! I installed Windows 8 Developer Preview on my main machine, a 2011 MacBook Air which is powered by a Core i7 1.8 GHz. On my first trip, I was blown away: Instead of the usual 6 ½ -7 hours I had on Windows 7, the Air went dark after 7 hours and 45 minutes using Windows 8. We’re talking an hour of additional battery life here, which I couldn’t believe at first.
So I went back and did some serious testing, not only with the Air but also with a couple of other laptops (one HP netbook and an Acer 17” laptop) and confirmed it: The Dev Preview squeezed between 5-15% of additional battery life out of the laptops, which is quite a technical achievement in my opinion; I’m going to put together a comparison with a different scenario and compile a blog post in the near future. Go to the next page for more on Windows 8 misperceptions and expected changes
SV (continued): It’s clear that Microsoft made a huge investment in power efficiency, both on the server and on the client: We’re seeing apps suspending, more aggressive timer coalescing, less memory usage, less and/or combined disk writes and services, that start when they’re needed and stop when they’re not needed. Windows 8 also pushes the hardware to enter lower power states much sooner. Digging around the advanced power management settings, I also found 19 (!) new options to control memory management in favor of (or against) power efficiency:
I expect Microsoft to combine some of these options into a setting that’s a bit more easier to understand. Anyway, battery life is one of the killer features of today’s mobile world and it’s good to see Microsoft making such investments.
MJF: What’s the biggest misperception by the community (dev community/user community and/or press) about Windows 8 that you’ve seen circulating?
MB: I’m still hearing “Silverlight/WPF/.NET is dead” from the community. It puzzles me. .NET is still a premiere language for Metro style apps and the classic desktop isn’t going anywhere. The WPF team is still hard at work for the next release and Silverlight 5 just reached Release Candidate status. The fact remains that if you’re developing for Windows, the majority of your target users will be able to run standard WPF, Silverlight, and .NET applications. And as I mentioned before, the skills that you’re learning today in WPF and Silverlight will carry over to Metro when the time comes.
SV: That the Metro-style interface is aimed purely at tablets and that it’s utterly unusable and unproductive. First of all, (Windows President) Steven Sinofsky acknowledged that there will be changes in and around the Metro UI (more on that below).
Second, how can anyone judge this UI without actually using some real Metro-style apps day in and day out? What we've got so far are samples written by summer interns (which Microsoft acknowledged during BUILD), that are extremely basic. Do we actually spend enough time in those apps to judge usability? No. Do we know what big ISVs will have “in store” (quite literally) when Windows 8 hits the market? No.
Right now, everyone who’s using Windows 8 Developer Preview lives on the classic desktop and not in the Metro UI, since there’s no real reason to spend hours in this new environment. Let’s just wait until the Windows Store goes live and see how the combination of “real” apps and the usability improvements promised by Microsoft change this perception.
And if even then you can’t stand the new (Metro) UI, just turn it off – there’s a Group Policy setting for that and it’s called “Do not show the Start Menu when the user logs in”. Et Voilà! MJF: Is there any one Windows 8 feature you’re expecting MS to change/tweak based on user feedback before the beta hits?
MB: I’ve tried Windows 8 in a number of scenarios. The story I’m most interested in is remote desktop. As of right now, it appears that Windows 8 has taken a step back with remote desktop composition. Even connecting to a Win 8 machine from another Windows 8 machine, desktop rendering is performed server side (as opposed to Windows 7 RDP which offloads the rendering to the client). I know Microsoft is pushing the RemoteFx technology, but GPUs on server hardware aren’t common and asking clients to upgrade servers to support Windows 8 as a Remote Desktop Session host (especially with many companies moving to VDI) is going to hamper adoption of the OS. I expect Microsoft will address that by RTM.
SV: Yes, (I think they'll address) the major complaints focused around being able to close apps (which is the No. 1 discussion point on Microsoft's Dev preview Forums – with 94 answers and 15,000 views), cycling through apps and mouse-behavior, which still feels like it’s far from finished. All of these issues will be addressed in the future by another 9,000+-word blog posts from Steven Sinofsky, I presume, and then baked into the beta.
I also know from my sources at Microsoft that the “classic” desktop will get more love going forward, after the initial focus of Microsoft’s attention was on Metro and getting developers to write apps. Some of the desktop features are either in early development stages (“File History” aka History Vault or their new “Automatic Maintenance”, which is still largely a mystery) or not present in the UI at all (remember Protogon?). I expect them to talk and unveil a lot more of what they’ve done to the desktop.
Others of you who've been testing the Windows 8 developer preview: What have you found to be most surprising -- and most misunderstood -- about the OS so far?
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RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Posted from a Virtual Private Desktop "VPU"
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
This is pretty much a must. I have been using windows 8 dev and pretty much hate it. The metro side I have absolutly no use for. If I would use windows on a mobile device I would want the classic desktop and start options. I also really hate the ribbon format makes things so much more involved then needs be.Give the classic windows desktop and start button and it might be workable. I would even like to see an option to install just the desktop classic version with no metro ui at all to save space since the metro is pointless for desktop, or laptops.
Not sure I understand....
Do you really think you would not prefer metro in touch mode over standard windows?
Sorry to repeat this, but you did read the following about misconceptions, right?
From SV on page 2:
<i> That the Metro-style interface is aimed purely at tablets and that it???s utterly unusable and unproductive. First of all, (Windows President) Steven Sinofsky acknowledged that there will be changes in and around the Metro UI (more on that below).
Second, how can anyone judge this UI without actually using some real Metro-style apps day in and day out? What we???ve got so far are samples written by summer interns (which Microsoft acknowledged during BUILD), that are extremely basic. Do we actually spend enough time in those apps to judge usability? No. Do we know what big ISVs will have ???in store??? (quite literally) when Windows 8 hits the market? No.
Right now, everyone who???s using Windows 8 Developer Preview lives on the classic desktop and not in the Metro UI, since there???s no real reason to spend hours in this new environment. Let???s just wait until the Windows Store goes live and see how the combination of ???real??? apps and the usability improvements promised by Microsoft change this perception.
And if even then you can???t stand the new (Metro) UI, just turn it off ??? there???s a Group Policy setting for that and it???s called ???Do not show the Start Menu when the user logs in???. Et Voil??!
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Have you tried turning the metro UI off? Do you get a classic start menu then?
Sorry but I've not had time nor resources to load win8 but am interested in what's going on.
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Yes this is all very true and I fully agree. It just that MS will have nothing snazzy and cool to market Win 8 with. It will just be another version of windows. Tablets need a simpler GUI than a PC or laptop. MS just missed the boat on it a few years ago. Metro is not going change that fact.
Seen those new MS commercials were they setup a windows store inside a person's house? The jist of the commercial is to get people to update their old PCs to a new one because people are content with their old computers.
MS is looking for that big buzz to sell their product, to sell more Windows PCs. It's too bad for them they never had a guy like Steve Jobs to show them how it's done.
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Save space? You realize hard drive costs these days are dirt cheap? "If I would use windows on a mobile device I would want the classic desktop and start options." Sounds like you should pick up an old WM6.5 phone on ebay. Just know that you are in the tiniest minority.
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
i Agree in have been using windows 8 dev and pretty much hate it. The metro side I have absolutly no use for. If I would use windows on a mobile device I would want the classic desktop and start options.
@Fletchguy ...Classic desktop (via Explorer) is available
Start menu option
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Alternatively you just type the first few characters of the app you want and start it.
Your argument is like saying "OH NO, I unpinned an app from my start menu ... how am I gonna start it now?"
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
@ccrocket (can't reply to your message) ... all I see is an alphabetical list of my programs not organized in the folder tree. Again, this would be handy if I knew what the program was called but if it is, say, a utility that was installed with another application I wouldn't necessarily know.
Honestly, I like change ... but this is going backwards. From a system with some organization to a mishmash.
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
I STRONGLY encourage you to read this lengthy, but very interesting post which provides some fascinating background to the design of the start page:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/11/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
The issue is why make it so much harder and slow productivity? If you have the start button its like a central location area. You click start hoover over programs and then all show up right there. Quick easy and productive no relearning no extra typing no hunting. The button missing is a negative. Hopefully if Microsoft screws that up some one will make a classic start button skin like they did for windows 7.
Sometimes change alone is the problem
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Microsoft needs to provide a choice
Metro Start Screen
1. It's easy to pin your favorite apps to the start menu. Just suck it up and pin away.
2. Don't like start? Swipe from the right and hit search.. everything is literally right there. I agree it could use some more polish, but app search is a million times nicer than win7's space-confined "all programs" list.
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
And as many have pointed out - they're nowhere near 'done' with the new Windows8 UI yet - either from a Metro or a traditional desktop perspective.
Metro = JUNK
The whole mess is a usability nightmare and something nobody asked for or wants. Tiles are a joke and failed on Win Phone 7 (Just like Win Phone 7) and will fail on the desktop.
[b]Windows 8 UI = EPIC FAIL[/b]
RE: What's surprising, misunderstood about Microsoft's Windows 8? Testers weigh in
Oh ... and on the Windows Phone front, I've yet to see a negative review of WinPhone 7.5. Can you point me at one please?