Will a Google phone spur a Microsoft phone?

By | December 14, 2009, 10:30am PST

Summary: There is a “Google phone” coming, and probably sooner rather than later. I wonder whether the HTC-made Nexus One will spur Microsoft — green with Google envy — to reevaluate whether it should follow suit?

There is a “Google phone” coming, and probably sooner rather than later. Known as the Nexus One, the HTC-made phone won’t be the first to run Android (nor is it likely to be the unlocked game changer that many were hoping/wishing it to be, as mobile expert Sascha Segan notes).

Still, I wonder whether the Nexus One will spur Microsoft — green with Google envy — to reevaluate whether it should follow suit?

Microsoft was — at least at one point — actively working on a Microsoft phone and went so far as to select an ad agency to create a campaign for it. Such a phone was one element of what’s been known as Project Pink. The Pink phone was going to be manufactured by some phone maker for Microsoft, but carry the Microsoft brand, I had heard. The phone would be aimed at the teen/twenty-something market — much like the Sidekick (powered by Danger, which Microsoft acquired in 2008).

A June 2009 Microsoft job posting made reference to a “new Windows Mobile-based consumer phone.” Here’s what Microsoft was advertising (with the Microsoft PMX, Premium Mobile Experience team):

Job Category: Software Engineering: Program Management
Location: China, Beijing
Title: Senior/Lead Program Manager- ATC PMX

The ATC PMX team in Beijing China is looking for its next super-star Senior/Lead Program Manager!
Would you like to take a leading role in building the next-generation premium mobile experience to take on Apple and Google? Do you have the passion and the conviction to design the right product for the customer? Then you will want to work in the new ATC PMX team! This team in ATC is part of a core team at Microsoft to deliver great premium mobile experiences to consumers world-wide. We are looking for a passionate and experienced Sr. Lead PM to work with internal/external partners/stakeholders to drive the delivery of this new exciting premium mobile experience….

Responsibilities:

  • Deliver premium mobile experience on a new Windows Mobile-based consumer phone. (emphasis mine)
  • Work with PMs, Devs, Tests, UX, and other stakeholders to ensure quality from design through delivery
  • Design great user-centric features to meet the requirements of the end-users and mobile operators.
  • Manage multiple priorities to deliver commitments on time and meet/exceed high quality bars
  • Manage/mentor/coach more junior PMs

Earlier this fall, screen shots leaked two alleged models of a Microsoft phone — one codenamed “Turtle” and another, “Pure.” But since that time, Microsoft execs have attempted to pour cold water on Microsoft Pink phone rumors. When I had a chance to ask Microsoft Entertainment and Devices President Robbie Bach as to whether there would be a Microsoft-branded Pink phone coming (one that would be made by a third-party phone vendor, not Microsoft itself), Bach didn’t confirm or deny it. He said that with the new “Windows Phone” branding Microsoft and its partners are pushing, there are already a lot of “Microsoft phones.”

Bach’s comments and other subsequent tips made me think Microsoft had decided against releasing a Microsoft-branded phone and that Pink was back to being nothing but a bunch of consumer-focused premium services that would run on third-party Windows Mobile phones. But now I’m wondering again whether Microsoft — if officials did change their minds and drop plans for a Pink phone — will reconsider releasing a “Microsoft phone” in 2010.

What do you think? Will there be a “Microsoft phone” in 2010 — whether it’s from Sharp or another carrier? Or will Microsoft stick with its current multiple-partner strategy, but just whittle down the number of Windows Mobile phone suppliers in time for them to release Windows Mobile 7 phones in late 2010?

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RE: Will a Google phone spur a Microsoft phone?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
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Microsoft free fall into an abyss
gjafg 14th Dec 2009
Microsoft's phone strategy is in collapse. It has now lost its cherished business market, having recently been overtaken in the enterprise by iPhone. Its general market share is now as low as 7.9%.

Earlier this year, Motorola ended its licensing of Windows Mobile consumer phones. Palm pulled out. Sony Ericsson making its last WinMo phone (X2) before going Android (X10). Even Microsoft's closest ally, HTC, is reducing its Windows Mobile phones, phasing them out in favor of Android.

Remember in October, Microsoft devices boss, Robbie Bach said: ?If you asked me to go to a venture capitalist and pitch the Android business model, I don?t think I could.?

I could say the same about Microsoft's Windows Mobile business model. Microsoft is the only company trying to make a business out of licensing phone operating systems. Nobody else does it because it doesn't work.

Obviously Microsoft knows its business model is heading over a cliff, into an abyss. It has to do something. Making phone hardware, a handset, may be the only way Microsoft has of ensuring it has a handset on the market, as other handset manufacturers reject and abandon its clunky Windows Mobile OS.
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Or more likely
John Zern 14th Dec 2009
You're overstating things too much?

I'v looked at both a WM phone and Android phone just recently:

The Android was the less desirable of the two.

Hmmmm.....
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All that tells me
Michael Kelly 14th Dec 2009
is that one person's opinion makes for poor analysis.
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The market seems to......
Economister 14th Dec 2009
disagree with you.
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Obviously you...
rjohn05 15th Dec 2009
do not believe companies have the potential to turn things around.
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If they do..
ju1ce 14th Dec 2009
Will they make a "red circle of death" in the back to indicate a failed phone?

Seriously that aside it would be interesting to see if MS went in because they are fighting a couple losing battles as we speak.

I'm curious how far the ooard will let it go before saying "Okay enough with the losing markets"
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MS has had stunning success
HollywoodDog 14th Dec 2009
with the Zune HD. Why wouldn't they want to replicate
that in the mobile handset market?
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Two VERY different devices (nt)
Economister 14th Dec 2009
nt
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Stunning success?
ju1ce 14th Dec 2009
In comparison to what? Their previous Zune failure or in comparison to their counter parts.
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Where?!
UsernameRequired 15th Dec 2009
It's still not available outside of the US and it's had little impact of the
iPod market at all! Microsoft are a good software company. They should
focus on what they know...
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Excellent
levinson 15th Dec 2009
Excellent use of sarcasm to suck in the gullible!
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Not a MS Story ...
michael@... Updated - 14th Dec 2009
Wow - tough way to make a Microsoft link out of a Google story.

People are excited about the Google phone because:

1 - Google is a dynamic growth company, unlike MS
2 - Google champions open source, unlike MS
3 - Google knows how to launch cutting edge products quickly, unlike
MS

No one is interested in a Microsoft phone because:

1 - Windows Mobile is an aged pile of garbage
2 - MS moves so slowly its releases are seldom exciting, and certainly
not those in the mobile space
3 - MS has so little to offer developers in the mobile space, with a
small and shrinking market share
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tough way?
Mary Jo Foley 14th Dec 2009
Hi, Actually not a tough way at all.

MS and Google are rivals. Both offer mobile operating systems and both are looking at doing their own branded phones made by third party providers. Seems like a lot of good parallels to me.

THanks. MJ
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Where the Bread Is Buttered
DannyO_0x98 14th Dec 2009
Here's my question, and it applies to Google as well. Will there be a
vendor backlash as the os makers compete with their customers? With
Google, I'm not clear if they actually sell Android. But Microsoft definitely
charges and if one is HTC, who by many accounts makes WinMo work
really well, how would one look at Microsoft selling a phone experience.
Add in some recollection of the history of the 90s and would one start to
question if Microsoft is charging them big bucks for lesser apis and
reserving the cool stuff for themselves?
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A better question would be...
Saurondor. 15th Dec 2009
What requirements would it need to have to be competitive? Consider cost, consider interoperability, consider development platform.

Wouldn't it be better to release .NET for Android and get over it? If MS creates a phone what benefits would it have? Cost? Hardly so. Given Microsoft mentality they'd never give it out for free.

Yet without ownership of the OS their current development platform is pretty much useless. As far as I understand you can't develop in .NET for Android. Although technically you can port bytecode to Android the legal constraints outmatch the technical limitations.

Question is then. How can Microsoft centric developers leverage Microsoft's Azure and other online features on non Microsoft products? Shouldn't Microsoft jump in and support Android with its own tools before its too late? If online is where groth is. If MS is already offering online versions of it Office suite. Why are they still fighting over the underlying OS?
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Microsoft Phone...Mobile Vista ME
jscarey 14th Dec 2009
This boggles the mind. I have my first (and last)
Mobile Windows phone. It requires a power off/battery
removed restart at LEAST once a week and I don't have
any apps loaded. I am not enamored of the iPhone
either and look forward to trying out the Droid only
because a friend is a developer and loves his.

I envision a MS phone more akin to the Motorola brick
phone of the 90's with a dial (not buttons, maybe even
a crank) and optional charging stand made from the
"big-assed computer table" from a while back.
Everyone will sound like bad actors on Valium playing
stereotypical southerners because of the unending
stream of updates, patches and fixes downloading and
installing in background.

I imagine it likely would sell through the poorest of
cell service providers, but Apple already had a deal
with "More bars in fewer places," perennial ratings
cellar-dweller AT&T. Second choice would be a service
only available on large west (and maybe east) coast
markets whose signals exist only inside the city
limits or within a couple of miles of an interstate.
I wonder which company that description suits to a
"T"?
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@jscarey
Axsimulate Updated - 15th Dec 2009
"This boggles the mind. I have my first (and last)
Mobile Windows phone. It requires a power off/battery
removed restart at LEAST once a week and I don't have
any apps loaded."

My last experience with WinMO phone was a Treo 700w and at least
once a week, maybe more I would have to pull the battery because it
would, lock up, would not allow me to answer incoming calls, would
not allow me to make out going calls. Nothing is more frustrating
when a client calls and you can't answer the phone because none of
the buttons are responding.
My wife has an iPhone and she/I never had this experience. Yes, I've
had the iPhone lockup on me, but she/I never missed a call with it!
Not only was the Treo 700w crash prone, surfing the web was a
testament in patience because ie was a disaster at displaying web
pages. The whole experience of WinMo was nothing short of
confusing and frustrating. Never again will I use a WinMo Phone.
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Microsoft partners aren't pushing anything Windows Phone-ish, at least today as we sit near the end of the crucial 4th Quarter.
There's a raft of Smartphones and Featurephones out there: Droids, Blackberries, iPhone, but Windows phones are far and few between in the carrier's stores.
I'd say MSFT missed the boat, perhaps too caught up in their rebranding effort.

I think Microsoft needs to organize around and execute against a clear, intelligent "Windows Phone" strategy. I also think it would be wise to watch whatever Google thinks they are doing in terms of an end-run around carriers with a direct-to-consumer offer. Others (more adept in the wireless world) have tried this and failed miserably. Among them are Nokia, Sony/Ericsson, and even Motorola. While the unlocked phone may fly in other geographic regions, US isn't the market for it.
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Unlocked phones, carrier free...
UsernameRequired 15th Dec 2009
don't tend to sell too well in Europe either. The ones that are sold are
usually bought by geek with an overblown sense of entitlement -you
know the sort. They usually post here. This strategy from Google has got
"FAIL" written all over it!
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Microsoft has proven itself inept at innovation and the only
arena in which it has successfully competed is one in which it
has had a monopoly that grew on the shoulders of another
monopoly weakened giant (IBM). Its foray into mp3 players
has been an unmitigated failure, even though the Zune is a
decent device. MS expected to muscle its way onto phones
with a crappy version of its Windoze monopoly and
discovered that without the muscle of monopoly they failed
miserably. Innovation happens, but seldom in Redman.
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Makes me curious if there are anti-MS folks working in the fold.
NoMoreMicrosoftSoftware Updated - 14th Dec 2009
You know, to sabotage Microsoft's anti-competitive efforts?
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It must rally hurt
Economister Updated - 14th Dec 2009
First MS ridiculed, then watched the iPhone blow by.

Then a repeat with Android.

It is starting to remind me of a funny farm, where all the lunatics sit around and laugh at and ridicule all the normal people.
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I think MS can not wait on the stands anymore. The time is now to execute the strategy to have a MS phone and tablet on the market atleast by the first quarter of 2010.
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After all the mistakes Microsoft has made in the mobile
arena as of late, I think they need to concentrate on
where they want to go with Zune HD and how to brand it
as a portable XBox. After the whole SideKick debacle,
chasing after Google's phone plans is the last thing they
should do.
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Where's the upside?
matthew_maurice 15th Dec 2009
Does Microsoft think it can make a phone that will sell
better than ALL other WinMo phones combined?
Because it would have to. HTC would surely get out of that
segment immediately (it would it competing with itself in
both WinMo and Android devices), and what other WinMo
OEM is going to pay MS to compete with it? And even if MS
were to manage that feat, does anyone seriously think
it can put out a consumer electronic device that could
compete with an entrenched market leader from Apple, let
alone make money? Add a competing Google device to the
mix, and this could easily be Ballmer's Waterloo.
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They can issue their typical 'firing offense'
edicts about the peasants being seen carrying
something without a Microsoft logo on it. What do
they care, it's the shareholders on the hook for
developing this stuff.
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I don't think so
timiteh Updated - 15th Dec 2009
Whatever the success or not of this Google Phone , Microsoft urgently needs a smartphone based on Windows Mobile 7,if they are serious at all about the success of Windows Phones in a very foreseeable future.
Microsoft can not rely anymore on its partners, even HTC, to build powerful smartphones able to efficiently compete agaisnt the alike of the iPhone and blackberries.
Moreover, because of so many people hating it, Microsoft needs to release a Windows Phone significantly more capable than competitors, and with a significantly higher power/price ratio to gain back market share.
I personnaly think that Microsoft should take advantage of Zune HD Tech to release an incredibly powerful smartphone at a quite reasonnable price.
At the same time Microsoft should give Windows Mobile for free and focus on services to earn money with this platform.
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If iPhone breaks free from AT&T and starts selling on other networks before Microsoft can release Mobile 7. Then, game over. I am a ******** loyal fan of Microsoft products, but the times have come and pass. I own the Zune HD, thinking that it will compete with the iPod Touch. Ha! What a joke! I say that now because the wireless sucks and the apps store is a joke. What are they doing? I'm tired of being used as a stopgap. I will give them until the 2nd quarter of 2010 to keep me. Otherwise, I want to enjoy the fruit of innovation before I die.
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RE: Will a Google phone spur a Microsoft phone?
harsh_rohit@... 15th Dec 2009
Not a chance. And if Google really comes out with a Google Phone which they decide to market on their own and really get into the game then Android is as good as dead. Till now no company has managed to give out license and at the same time compete with it.

And all those predicting demise of WM are probably underestimating MS. We are at the beginning of smartphone revolution. Ofcourse MS has to execute. In one way this low expectation will work in their favor if they manage to execute WM7 well.
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Too late.
levinson 15th Dec 2009
Why should MS make release a new cell phone, it's already
too late. The market is flooded with stuff. MS should come
out with something completely different and/or a lot better
than stuff that is available now. Sort of like Apple did with
the iPod and the iPhone. Not "brand-new" but game-
changing new. Surely MS can innovate that way. Come up
with something that will boggle our minds. An MS-phone
won't do that. Android didn't do that, either, but it got a
lot of press because it was the first real challenge for the
iPhone. MS needs something new and different. OR just
stick with the OS business and leave the hardware to
everyone else.
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There are many Microsoft Windows Mobile systems out there to pick from. What difference does it make who made it. Each phone company is going to cannibalize it to suit themselves anyway, unless they decide to duplicate the failures of the iPhone!
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Windows mobile and an iPhone are two different markets.

People buy an iPhone for personal use.

People buy a Windows Mobile phone for work. These are people who use Outlook for purposes other than just email, i.e. people who have a need for their Task, Calendar & Contacts to be integrated with each other. Thats clearly where the value of Outlook shines.
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I don't think MS is ready to get involved in another fight just yet. And i don't think they should be too hasty. I'm looking at the Android and i'm looking at the manufacturers and i'm looking at iPhone.....

Now i look at Linux, and i wonder if Google are actually making a mistake, with open source being the very reason.

MS protects/controls its OS by being "closed source" and Apple protects/controls its products by closing its hardware. What kind of protection does Android have???

Could the Android become the Linux of the smartphone industry, with a world of derivatives appearing as the manufacturers compete to out perform their rivals??? will an emerging manufacturer/entreprenuer do what Apple did and make a whole new OS based on Android and lock out its competitors (protect/control) through closed hardware.

Its going to be interesting to see how this one pans out, but i don't think MS should think about bringing out a new phone, they have a very good framework in WinMo, i think they just need to focus first on adjusting that framework to cater for low-end and high-end phones, i.e the Samsung Tucco is pretty low end now but has enough power to feed a streamlined WinMo.

The second focus should be on user experience/interaction, a two tier interface to cater for both business and consumer (menu driven interface with a graphically driven interface on top) with the ability to alternate between the two.

Yeah some will say to much bloat, but you know what, if its fast and responsive, bloat becomes fantastic features.
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RE: Will a Google phone spur a Microsoft phone?
jy.durocher@... 15th Dec 2009
What's the name of the Lenin (as in revolutionnary) Small Biz VOIP phone system that MS was plugging 2 years ago?

That's the Point, no Response.

Would love to see the REAL number of systems sold. On my side, went very tired of waiting and rather than wait and wait went for Aastra 160. Does the job and cheap. By the way Aastra also sell the MS invisible system.
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Microsoft Smartphones have been in the market for YEARS... HELLO ?
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