Will Windows 8 on ARM be an OEM-only product?
Summary: Will Windows 8 on ARM be available only as something preloaded on new tablets and PCs from selected vendors? We still don't know for sure.
All the recent back and forth over Microsoft disallowing the installation of other operating systems on Windows 8 ARM tablets seems to me to be obscuring a bigger and more interesting question: Will Windows 8 on ARM be an OEM-only product?
In other words, unlike the situation with Windows 8 for Intel -- where testers and users can download Windows 8 bits and install them on tablets and PCs of their choice -- will Windows 8 on ARM be locked to specific hardware?
I know some Microsoft watchers are assuming this will be the case, but Microsoft has not said anything on this officially. I re-asked today just to be sure, and was told by a spokesperson: "All we’ve said is the ARM based partners we’re working with – we haven’t yet talked about the go to market plans."
(Some may recall an Intel exec blabbed a while back and said that those announced ARM partners -- Nvidia, Qualcomm and Texas Instruments -- were each building their own custom version of Windows for their processors and that these various versions wouldn't be compatible with one another. Microsoft execs denied that Intel's portrayal of the situation was accurate but never said specifically why it was wrong.)
The fact that Microsoft didn't release a Windows 8 on ARM developer preview build back in September alongside the Windows 8 on Intel one doesn't necessarily mean that the ARM version is OEM-only. It might just be lagging the Intel build in the development cycle. Nor does the fact that Microsoft is continuing to ban its ARM partners from allowing anyone to play with prototype Windows 8 ARM tablets, as they did just recently at the Consumer Electronics Show. That just could be the Windows division's hope to maintain some element of secrecy/big reveal as the Windows 8 PR momentum builds.
Microsoft officials have mostly remained mum as to whether Microsoft plans to roll out Windows 8 on Intel and Windows 8 on ARM simultaneously. (I noticed one company official did tell Computerworld last week that this is, indeed, the game plan.) But that hasn't stopped various OEM partners from telling the world that they plan to have Windows 8 on ARM tablets on store shelves later this year.
Some would argue Microsoft has to make Windows 8 on ARM an OEM-only products, since this is the first time the Softies will be offering commercially a Windows client on ARM. There aren't existing Windows-based ARM tablets and PCs on which users should be able to just install the new Windows 8 bits, say those in this school.
But there are other ARM tablets out there where testers and users could try to install the Windows 8 on ARM bits, others argue. What about the Blackberry Playbook? HP TouchPad? Samsung Galaxy Tab? Heck, even the iPad? The question is whether Microsoft is trying to block them from doing so to head off potential reports of poor user experiences. Remember: Control is the watchword when it comes to Windows 8, in terms of everything from how information is shared, to how, when and where the product is demonstrated.
Microsoft's ban on allowing testers and users to install Linux on the coming generation of Windows 8 ARM devices isn't the only place where Windows 8 on Intel and Windows 8 on ARM diverge. As Rafael Rivera noted on WithinWindows this week, Microsoft isn't requiring Windows 8 ARM PCs resume in two seconds or less -- unlike the case for Intel-compatible Windows 8 PCs.
What's your take? Will Windows 8 on ARM be available only preloaded on select tablets -- and later, maybe in 2013 on ARM-based laptops? Should it be?
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I thought the main purpose of that blog is to get early feedback and use that to correct things. But now I tend to think it has been a marketing attempt.
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Agreed, i'd rather them keep the experience good across the board! The last thing I want to see is people loading Win8 on hardware designed for a crappy OS like IOS or Android only to have them complain the experience sucked so they decided to switch back. Thats bad press for an OS that's lightyears ahead of the current crop of mobile Operating Systems...Windows Phone 7 excluded.
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Good points
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There is no standard ARM-device architecture as there is for PC's.
Therefore, all ARM devices are vendor specific and highly specialized compared to PC's.
An interesting question is "will ARM device, OS & SW vendors eventually get tired of maintaining a broad range of proprietary device architectures and instead get together and bash out a standard architecture as the PC industry did?"
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I think not much of a problem here. They now have notebooks (specilized PCs) with Windows 7 Starter. Having an (specialized PC) Arms Tablet is no difference, to me.
ARM based PC's and laptops
M$ would like to slide in:
1. Locked-down W8 METRO secure on ARM tablet.
2. 'Choice' of security and METRO on INTEL PC/laptop.
However as ARM grows in power and METRO is accepted then the slide will end at ... locked-down W8 secure METRO on the majority of computers ... and they will be able to write 'converging and simplifying to the prevailing standard model of Windows on ARM in Windows 9'.
Then we will be confronted with the '30% tax' on all digital media and the transition to Apple's model will be complete. Yuk.
The end-game consumer ecosystems will be:
A. AMAZON and Android (Fire).
B. Apple and OSX (AIR).
C. M$ and ARM-METRO.
Choose your silo.
It begins to look like Windows 8 desktop will be the last of what people are calling the 'PC era' OS's. Pity.
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There is one critical factor to look for here: Remember CHRP? The Common Hardware Reference Platform that was going to allow us to build our own PowerPC-based PCs as easily as we do with x86 stuff? Looked pretty promising but it died when Steve Jobs killed the licensing of Mac OS almost immediately upon his return to Apple. The other OSes on offer (OS/2 Warp, BeOS, Linux, and even NT) weren't enough to keep up enough interest and the initiative fell apart.
Until we have something like CHRP to act as a core platform for ARM-based systems, producing much of anything would be very tough for anyone not operating at the OEM level.
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As for the other OSs on CHRP, most never existed. Power Computing worked with Be to get BeOS booting on pre-CHRP Mac Clone hardware, but Be never did a CHRP version. IBM may have had alpha version of OS/2 on CHRP, but there was never a release. Linux in 1997 wasn't the Linux of today, but even if it was, there's still only so much of a market for desktop Linux. So yeah, the whole open PowerPC thing depended on MacOS.
@epobirs .. I agree for the most part
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Yeah, just look at the ARM's CPUs and all the variations:
You can have different cores like ARMv6 or ARMv7, and then with VFP v2,v3, (v4 this year), sometime with or without VFP-Lite... *PLUS* with or without NEON.
Fun time to support them all...
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