Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?

By | March 7, 2011, 10:07am PST

Microsoft has some fancy footwork to do around its tablet/slate positioning.

Until now, Microsoft officials have claimed that iPads are not PCs. It’s not hard to see why. If iPads are counted as PCs, Apple would be the No. 2 PC vendor.

But are slates/tablets running Windows 7 PCs? As is evident by a marketing campaign on the Windows.com site, Microsoft is straddling the fence. The campaign isn’t new; Microsoft officials pointed to it from the Windows Blog some time after the Consumer Electronics Show in January. But it does make plain the Softies’ dilemma in the tablet/slate space.

“Introducing a PC that’s not very PC: The ASUS Eee Slate,” reads the banner-ad copy. “The ASUS Slate with Windows 7 delivers all the power, speed and productivity you’ve come to expect. Once off its stand, it becomes a sexy, touchscreen slate that provides infinite possibilities.”

Microsoft’s ad shows a young child picking up the $999+ device and intuitively knowing how to use the stylus to draw. (Haven’t we seen a similar tactic somewhere before?)

The longer version of the text shows more clearly the tricky marketing waters the Softies need to navigate with the company’s slate strategy. Is a Windows 7 tablet/slate a PC? Or isn’t it? You can argue both sides, especially with a device like the new ASUS Eee Slate, which has a stand and a keyboard.

Last year, Microsoft execs scrambled to undo confusion over the company’s tablet vs. slate vs. PC rhetoric. To differentiate between tablets and slates running Windows 7 vs. tablets and slates running Windows Embedded Compact 7, the Softies ended up saying that Windows Embedded Compact slates were for content consumption, while Windows-based ones were for both consumption and creation.

As Apple drove home last week, the iPad — especially iPad 2 — can do both content consumption and creation. But to me, this doesn’t mean PCs are toast and we’re now in a post-PC era. And as long as a PC/Mac continues to be a necessary part of the iPad mix, as one blogger noted recently, can we really say we’re in a post-PC world?

While we’re debunking tablet-related rumors, I’ve seen a few reports claiming Microsoft is “delaying” its tablets until 2012. Um… there are Windows tablets and slates out already, running both Windows 7 and Windows Embedded Compact 6.X. Microsoft officials still haven’t said when they plan to deliver Windows 8 to OEMs. (In fact, they still officially have not used “Windows 8″ to refer to the next version of Windows, if you want to be precise.) But if they do RTM Windows 8 in 2012, enabling tablet/slate makers to get Win 8 slates out in time for holiday 2012, they will be “on time,” in my book.

Once more, with feeling: Windows 7 slates are not touch-centric, though they may be touch-capable. There’s no equivalent to the Apple App Store for these devices. They tend to be heavy, pricey and fairly bulky. They don’t come with their own colorful array of covers with cleaning cloths built in. All of these reasons contribute to the way Microsoft is marketing Windows slates vs. iPads. Microsoft is focusing on selling Windows 7 slates/tablets primarily as devices for the enterprise. (And that’s why the Eee slate campaign is rather confusing, in my opinion, as it is attempting to position a $1,000 PC as a potential iPad equivalent.)

To me, a tablet/slate is something quite different from a PC. It shouldn’t be a PC stuffed into an iPad-like shell.  Do you think tablet/slate is more than just another PC form factor category? Why/why not?

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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
dsfwrryd18-24353589260930765128987193640853 10th Nov
lbiipb,good post!
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I've used an HP TouchSmart laptop for about two years, and I currently have an HP Slate on my desk; both running Windows 7. I have no issue with using Windows 7 in a touch environment (note: I don't use the stylus). The biggest issue I have with the TouchSmart is the size and weight. That's why I'm looking for a smaller form factor, and why I'm evaluating the HP Slate. At the moment, I'm leaning towards the Asus device, due to weight and size. I don't care about the App store, I want something that runs Win32 executibles (like Windows Live Essentials).
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Cylon Centurion Updated - 7th Mar 2011
@roteague

Agreed. I currently use an ASUS EEE PC T101MT at school or on trips, and have no problems at all using the UI without a stylus to navigate. The stylus comes in handy though to write with - something other tablets need.

I'm jealous of the HP Slate. If it wasn't so expensive, I would have ordered one myself.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
The processor in the HP Slate is a first gen Atom from 2008. A buddy of mine is evaluating it and the processor lets the whole thing down.

If you want a better, cheap Windows tablet check out the ExoPC. Or if you want the keyboard, look at the Lenovo S10-3t or Dell Inspiron Duo. The Dell has a dual core Atom with Broadcom HD graphics accelerator and is pretty zippy, even with Outlook, Word and Excel running in the background.

Or wait for the new Atom based machines that are coming this month such as the Samsung Slider.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Cylon Centurion 7th Mar 2011
@dazzlingd

Ouch, I did not know that. Bad call on HP's part. Otherwsie a nice form factor.
@Cylon Centurion 0005 It's the equivalent of the 64GB iPad, which is $100 less - but doesn' t include a dock, a digital pen, a folio and even with iPad 2, still doesn't have all the same features.
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@roteague Totally agree. Give me a proper computer O/S capable of running the software I use every day. Better still - cram it into a nice form factor like the Asus EEE Slate and you've got a sale out of me.
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@roteague watch HP this year. They are dumping the crappy touchsmart software and replacing it with their WebOs software on the PC. WebOS will essentiallybe on every one of their products as either the core OS (phones and tablets) or as an overlay to their touch pcs. They are also selling their Slate 500 in more numbers than expected. The reason is that companies want to run custom touch apps on a secured managed platform. Big customers are banks and health industry.
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@Mary Jo

An iPad isn't a PC because you OWN a PC and can do whatever you want with it. With an iPad, Steve lets you hold it until you get mind F'd into wanting to buy the latest incremental update.

If a PC went into the tablet form-factor the enterprise would go wild.
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@man_strosity Oh dear, same old same old. The notion that we don't have intelligence or capacity for independent thought or the ability to make rational decisions is just plain silly and more than a bit insulting. Is superior wisdom the exclusive domain of PC users? The PC has been in various tablet form-factors for years - the stunning success of these (intentional sarcasm) tells the story. Bring on a PC in a tablet with the usability, quality, performance (battery and speed) of an iPad and I agree, it will be a great new device. The promise of the best Android devices will surely challenge/surpass Apple. Can Microsoft cut it in this segment?
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@man_strosity
That's actually a consequence of the mobility aspect more than the Apple ecosystem (which I avoid like the plague). The same problem exists with laptops: they're almost always underpowered compared to the PC, because anything you can cram into a small device, you can cram multiples into a PC. This is why PCs will be around for a long time to come. (For years, we've heard that PCs are powerful enough for the average consumer, yet we keep finding new ways to use all that power and more.)
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@man_strosity
you got that right. We have tons of lawyers that would love it if they could run real software on a real network - legacy stuff, stuff we write, stuff that NEEDS IE. We would buy lots of them and I might buy one personally.
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Check out Fujitsu
Speednet Updated - 8th Mar 2011
@roteague - Fujitsu is coming out with what looks to be a fantastic slate PC for Win 7. They have a video and other materials on their Web site.

http://www.shopfujitsu.com/Q550/index.php
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@roteague

Also Agreed. Fully! I've owned Slate PC's since Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, (currently using a Motion Computing Slate running Windows 7), and have never once had a problem with them. Full MS Windows computing in a hand-held device that I can ink on. No need for a media device and a computer; this is all-in-one! Running not just apps like Essentials, but also Office. Full versions. Tablets/Slates have been PC's for a very long time now! The only difference being the form factor!

I said to a friend, who needed a new laptop and also was torn between which new e-reader she should get. She likes the slate form factor, so I suggested, why not get a slate PC and be able to put most of the reader applications on it. Problem solved.

It's so difficult for me to understand why so many people, (even tech editors), talk like the iPad is the first slate to have ever come to market. I guess Apple did a good job. Now everyone knows what a tablet/slate is. Even in Mrs. Foley's column she wrote, "It shouldn't be a PC stuffed into an iPad-like shell." Again, slate/tablets were here way before the iPad.

You're right about Windows Tablets being a little heavier. I guess back then that just came with the territory. Today they're much smaller and lighter. I too like the Asus Slate.

I don't need the "App Store" either. I can get any application I will ever need for my machine. I don't only use my slate for games and entertainment, I also use it for work. Serious work!
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Major Plonquer 8th Mar 2011
@roteague
Agree. I'm lucky enough to have one of the first ASUS Ep121 Windows 7 tablets (I'm in Asia). I've been using tablet/laptop hybrids since they first came out in 2003 and have a LOT of experience. I've looked at iPad. It's snazzy but functionally useless for most of the things I want to accomplish.

First, I disagree that the iPad is a content-creation device. It has a camera and an onscreen English-language typewriter. This is totally useless in meetings where I want to take notes and don't want to have to look at the screen all the time to make sure I'm typing correctly.

Second I find the best apps for tablet are by far OneNote and Photoshop. I also like MindManager. These require Windows.

Third, I like to hook my tablet up to a projector and use it as a whiteboard for meetings and lectures - as well as doing PowerPoint stuff. Recently I've been using it as a whiteboard for online meetings using Live Meeting. This is true innovation at work and makes Apple look trite by comparison.

Fourth, I also create content in Chinese language. A stylus - no matter how 'uncool' Apple tell me it is - is easily the best input device for Chinese and other non-Roman languages.

I'm not buying the idea that a tablet should be a big phone. I don't want a big phone I want a small computer.

There. Positioning problem solved.
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@roteague : why would anyone want to run—mark my words, not WinForms, not WPF, but plain old—Win32 in a slate format? It's like asking if Segways are available with V6 engines.

And this is precisely Microsoft conundrum. Just as there were users for UMPC, for tablets (yes those ones that had styluses) and even for Windows Media Centers, most were tiny niche markets why couldn't offset the investment.

Touch-capable Windows 7 required time and effort. At the current rate, the touch-capable offerings from ODM and OEMs aren't recovering that cost.
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@roteague

I've always been curious about how the Apple fans don't think Windows could ever be successfully adapted for touch. Reality is that most of iOS commands are point and click as well.

You basically need three things for a good "touch centric" OS to match iOS: Fat Buttons for fat fingers, Drag-To-Scroll, and the two finger zoom thing.

Really, the things holding back windows tablets are size, weight, heat generation, price and battery life. Those are all technical challenges which are quite solvable in a 2-5 year timeframe.
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Yes and No. A PC in a tablet formfactor serves a purpose for certain segments, I believe refered to as verticals, such as counting item stock on the floor in a warehouse, or even a store environment. I can speak for using a, I'm guessing, Windows CE based tablet for ordering stock of drinks in a 7-11 as part of a job for a year. It simply worked as required, but is a smaller market than, let's say, an iPad and consumers.

Windows on a tablet can be good for those who want something for dominately work, plus some play, but cost can be a deturent unless it's powerful enough to warrent the cost. The Asus one does, and it will sell, but it won't be iPad numbers. That'll have to wait for Windows 8.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Major Plonquer 8th Mar 2011
@clindhartsen
If the ability to take notes during meetings or lectures is a 'vertical' then it's a very big one. This combines the entire business and education sectors.
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It's a PC and it shouldn't be. If Microsoft is serious about contending in the iPad world, then they need a touch-centric, consumer oriented device, not a full blown PC slate. I'm currently a Windows Phone 7 user and I love it! If Balmer was smart they'd be taking that OS and porting it to tablets.
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Actually I guess they're not, but those two words shouldn't even be in adjacent sentences.
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@matthew_maurice Why not? ASUS is way sexier than a lot of other companies to me.
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@Aerowind I agree. ASUS makes very attractive looking devices when compared to many other big name companies. I'll take an ASUS based device other many other similar devices.
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@Aerowind
I have to agree.....
My UL is a nice looking machine....
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@Aerowind
This could veer into a discussion of Platonic ideals, but as I'm not qualified, I'll just say that you, and those who are agreeing with you, are making the argument that Asus is sexy because other companies are not.

You have to be careful about this sort of stuff, one might think that that sort of logic bespeaks of a fuzzy convenience employed by shilling marketers. And one would hate to be accused as shilling and the verdict confirmed because others are not.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Loverock Davidson 7th Mar 2011
This is just Microsoft playing the tablet game til this fad passes.
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@Loverock Davidson Yeah, 14 million "fads" sold between April and December of 2010....

Wonder how many "Fad 2.0"'s will sell this year in the same time frame...

Keep on trying though we love your failing enthusiasm.
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A better term would be niche
Michael Alan Goff 7th Mar 2011
There are over 15 million people using tablets.

There are over 2 billion people using regular computers.
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The question is, "What is an elephant?". The answer: "An elephant is a mouse built to Government specifications."

Similarly, what is a Windows 7 slate? It is a PDA built to Microsoft Win 7 specifications.

That's both an knock and it isn't against Microsoft. The "Softies" must build a Slate that will satisfy customers like Roteague, our first poster. That's not a bad thing. Its a good thing.

Unfortunately, if you build that elephant, than price, weight, battery charge life all come into play and so far, all those factors are a "negative" in relation to the Apple, Android and WebOS tablet worlds.

The only knock, I see against Microsoft is their unwillingness to build a tablet from their Win 7 phone foundations. Even HP saw the light and built a phone and tablet ecosystem from a similar OS origin.
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@kenosha7777
Chuckle..... luv that opening line!

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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
kenosha77a Updated - 7th Mar 2011
@zenwalker

Thanks. Check out these other quotes from the SciFi master.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/robert_a_heinlein.html
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@kenosha7777

What's an elephant? It's a mouse built by private contractors.

Let's be clear, a slate is a TOOL, a tablet is a TOY. You choose what you want according to your needs. Most bloggers apparently are happy with toys as their needs are small.
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@tonymcs@...
Permission to approach the master needful?

I think you intended to say, "Let me be clear, a slate..." Thing is, you've been clear all these dozens of times you said this. You are truly underestimating how clearly we have noted the claxon-like granite-dense clarity you have exhibited.

Let me be trite. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

I withdraw, humbly, to return to my small, unworthy, needs.
@tonymcs@...
But, just recently, its been widely reported that airline pilots are going to use a "toy" in commercial airline cockpits. You may have heard about it.

The point is, your characterization of the iPad as a toy (and tablets in general) is quickly becoming an extremely minor world wide opinion held only by a few.

I'm convinced no one on ZDNet is going to convince you that the iPad (or tablets in general) are useful, enterprise class devices (all considerable evidence to the contrary).

The only thing that one can say about current Apple iPads (and tablets in general) are that they are not stand-alone, independent computing devices. They are designed to work in conjunction with computer networks.

Oh .. I have heard variations of the "elephant/mouse" comparisons before. Each version has proven useful in the right context.
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@kenosha7777
Well. Just because HP is trying it doesn't mean they will thrive with it.

Also, Microsoft has an overall strategy called "Three Screens" and perhaps Windows 8 across the line looked more doable than extending WP7. They know the internals and while politics seem to affect their product choices, maybe they did think it through this time.

Besides, let's look at who is Microsoft's customer. It's the OEMs and what is their alternative? Android/Chrome. Google has a penchant for pushing out things almost baked. Maybe polished, well-thought-out, and obviously useful and usefully obvious on day 0 is the opportunity. Maximizing commonality with the apis on the most installed desktop doesn't hurt, if that is what gets delivered.
@DannyO_0x98

may not be the correct business decision. I understand what you are saying. And I agree that a tablet based upon a Win 8 code base should be the superior technology. (And that apps built for a Win phone 7 tablet might not port to a Win 8 platform.)

But Steve Jobs (and, by extension, Apple's corporate culture) seemed to have learned that time is more important than "perfection". By that I mean, Apple markets a concept. (Usually, that first gen concept is quite functional and useful). But invariable, that concept, when compared to its fourth gen iteration, clearly demonstrates how "imperfect" the first gen concept or "conceptualization of a vision" was. Apple doesn't wait for perfection. But they do market their best efforts to date for any given concept.

Recall that the whole process of any device evolution clearly imparts knowledge, crucial knowledge, to the manufacture that could only be gleaned thru the actual process of building "that thing" and marketing it. Jony Ive constantly reiterates this very point every time he does an Apple commercial video.

I can't help but believe a company as successful and gigantically talented as Microsoft couldn't adopt that same philosophy.

Time is everything in business. Why has Microsoft forgotten that point?
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@kenosha7777
And what is an iPad?
It's an iTouch built to Steve Jobs specifications, of course.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
normanheadlam@... 7th Mar 2011
I waited to buy a ?Windows Slate?, and ended up with the ESUS EP121. I waited because I thought I wanted a consumption and creation device. After spending several weeks with my Windows Slate, I?m not completely happy. The main frustration I have is not having applications that are touch-finger friendly (TFF). Sure Windows 7 have a touch interface, but hardly any applications currently do a good job in the user experience. I also came to realize that I have overestimated my need for creation on a slate/tablet type device. I think it is more like 90/10? where the 90% of the time I want to consume. A laptop is far better for creation in my estimation (.. yes no more desktop).
All that said, I?m still holding out hope, and look forward to the other Windows Slate/Table devices on the horizon. Perhaps more importantly I?m looking forward to more applications and a better UX experience that is TFF. Since Windows 8 is still an unknown (at least for me)? I?m not holding out much hope there. Finally, while I do like the stylus? I find it to follow the same 90/10 rule as well. For the 90% of the things I want to do, I want to use my finger since it is less invasive and much more readily available. But keep the stylus available.

Norman Headlam
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It's the price...
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 7th Mar 2011
For $1K it will be niche. If they came up with a PC/Tab combination that came in at $500, it might have a chance at the mainstream. It will be a defacto compromise between "decent performance" at a large cost premium as a desktop computer and will have a "somewhat decent" experience as a tab with a likely huge performance hit to get any kind of batter life.

Neither compromise is in itself a deal breaker at lower price points, but at $1K, why (and I am NO FAN OF APPLE) why would anyone not simply have a $500 desktop and a $500 iPad with no compromises?

It is somewhat disheartening that, in general, in every space, be it Android, tablets, phones, netbooks, etc the entire industry misses the point and keeps trying to re-inflate the base price back up to around $1K. That ship has sailed, make a truly EXCELLENT experience for $500 or go home.

Let me guess, when sales are weak it will be offered through Verizon with mandatory $20/month plan for $799. Sigh.

The Atrix is the closest I feel to pulling it off. It suck that it is only available on AT$T, however, you can get the Atrix with computer dock for $500 with plan. Yes, it isn't a tablet and it runs Android which is one step above a pencil and paper right LD, however, it is the ideal priced solution.

TripleII
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@TripleII

For mainstream audiences you are absolutely correct. However there are specific niche markets which might need tablet-like capabilities for win32 or .net applications.

For example, think of businesses which cannot afford to ditch custom Windows programming in favor of something more platform independent, but can afford to spring for an extra $500-$1000 for something that does what they want, plus extra batteries they can swap throughout the day. This is not mainstream by any stretch, but it can be a huge audience nonetheless to make this a profitable project.
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The amazing sofabed
Robert Hahn 7th Mar 2011
"why would anyone not simply have a $500 desktop and a $500 iPad with no compromises?"

No more calls, folks... we have a winner.

Yes, what many Windows fans are asking for here is analogous to the dreaded sofabed, that horrible contraption that is both an uncomfortable sofa and a lousy bed.

I understand why certain people in certain occupations might want a full-blown Windows computer in a slate form-factor, but people who think there is a mass market for such a device are smoking rope. I don't think they understand how much the average person HATES Windows and hates computers. One reason the iPad is such a hit is precisely that it is NOT a "computer." You don't have to know diddly to run it. You turn it on, and away you go.
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Tablet is just another form factor for a PC. Apple is only pretending it is something different right now because they aren't able to deliver PC functionality yet. There is no mistaking the fact that Apple is working very hard at turning iOS into a full blown computer operating system. It's just going to take years, so in the meantime they're pretending like it is something new.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
Cylon Centurion 7th Mar 2011
@cool8man

It shouldn't take them years. They're only doing so to get people to upgrade. Meanwhile Windows will be there waiting for them when they do.
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@cool8man

I don't think it will take years. OS 10.7 (Lion) will be Apple's big move to a unified iOS type OS
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@cool8man
I think Apple has the delusion that the iMacs, PowerMacs, MacBooks, and MacBook Pros are delivering pc functionality. I know, we laughed and laughed and laughed when the iPad was introduced as targeted at a niche between the smartphone and pc. Such wackaloons they are.

iOS provides i/o, libraries to develop against, and abstracts the hardware for the user and applications. In my book, that's as blown up as an os can be. I think the libraries are frosting on the cake.

You're engaging in a rhetorical trick so I thought I'd join the fun. My microwave has an operating system, but I really don't care who wrote it. I push some buttons, it cooks the ramen, and I'm happy.

Abstracting the concept, does the device operate well within the scope of tasks I wish to use it for? Good, though that is more a function of interface and applications. Hardware matters, but if the applications cannot exploit the underlying chips, it's rather moot. Nonetheless, the os is someone else's implementation detail. Do I need to buy new applications? Do I want to?

I've been responding a lot today and the common thread of irritation is this macho braggadocio about how we welcome the Asus because our manly needs are greater than the wimpy, toy-desirous, masses. Reminding me again that on the internet, no one can hear you crush a beer can on your forehead. Get over yourselves. You need an Asus, get an Asus, enjoy the Asus, carefully protect the Asus as a family heirloom. Don't ennoble yourselves for this, or enshrine this as the one way. Apple is doing something that makes sense to a couple groups of people, the customers (Duh, buying. [A Charlie Sheen reference, the shark is jumped]) and the other product makers.
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Great Prose!
kenosha77a 7th Mar 2011
@DannyO_0x98
I almost sense you have "Tiger Blood" cursing thru your finger tips as you write. May the poor unworthy masses avoid entering into your octagon of power.

Really .. great stuff.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
angarita calvo 7th Mar 2011
God I hate slates. If there was only mass awareness of convertible tablets people would be able to get the best of both worlds: a laptop one minute, swivel (or slide) it, and it becomes a tablet.

ALL laptops should be convertible tablets nowadays!
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@angarita calvo

I have one. It may as well weigh a metric ton, because it wouldn't be less usable compared to a slate/tablet than it is now. I use it for testing touch-based software at my desk, but I would never use it in the field.
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I honestly do not think Microsoft even wants to play in the tablet pool. There is no money in a low cost consumer friendly tablet. What Microsoft is interested in is, using Windows everywhere. Otherwise you?d see a tablet based on Windows Phone 7 series OS.
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@Rick_K

As long as MS keeps that interest, they will continue to lose market share until they become irrelevant. Even they know this, which is why they are scrambling to catch up.
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@Michael Kelly
But are you willing to wait till sometime next year for a product? Windows 7 is not good for low power devices like a tablet, but Windows 8 will not be ready till next year.
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RE: Windows 7 slate: A PC by any other name?
dsfwrryd18-24353589260930765128987193640853 10th Nov
lbiipb,good post!

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