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Windows 8: Beta collectors waiting with bated breath for a leak

By | March 30, 2011, 9:06am PDT

Summary: In the past few days, rumors of a possible leak of one of the newer Windows 8 internal builds have been gaining steam.

While there have been various minor Windows 8 leaks claimed and reported by various sites, Microsoft has kept a tight lid on its next version of Windows to date.

But in the past few days, rumors of a possible leak of one of the newer Windows 8 internal builds have been gaining steam. Some known beta-leaking sites have been posting new screen shots of what they are claiming to be leaked Windows 8 builds. These builds may be from one or more select OEMs, who supposedly are finally starting to get private test builds of Windows 8 from Microsoft.

There have been all kinds of claims as to how and why Microsoft has managed to keep Windows 8 leaks to a minimum. There’s a forbidding warning (beyond the milder “sssh. let’s not leak our hard work”) on the alleged Windows 8 screen shots. It reads:

“Unauthorized use or disclosure in any manner may result in disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment (in the case of employees), termination of an assignment or contract (in the case of contingent staff), and potential civil and criminal liability.”

There also have been claims that Microsoft has coded identifying information into Windows 8 downloads to help the company track leakers. (One of my sources said that there are some builds of Windows 8 that are “Red Pill,” which means they only can be downloaded by certain individuals when they are on the Microsoft campus.)

The latest alleged Windows 8 screen shots don’t sport the new Windows 8 user interface(s), as the interface typically is one of the last pieces that Microsoft adds to Windows test builds. (I am using interface in the plural here because we Microsoft watchers have heard there will likely be at least two different interfaces for Windows 8 client when it ships, with one being a tile-based touch-centric one, known as MoSH, for Modern Shell.)

On March 30, a bunch of new alleged Windows 8 screen shots, posted by CNBeta.com, make mention of a possible new Windows 8 feature known as “History Vault.” The WinRumors.com site described History Vault as Microsoft’s answer to Apple’s Time Machine. History Vault, from what little can be gleaned from the new screen shots, looks to be an update to Microsoft’s Shadow Copy feature that has been in Windows since Vista.

Other recent alleged Windows 8 screen shots have shown the “System Reset” capability that Microsoft told OEMs in April 2010 that it planned to add to the coming version of Windows. Some sites also claim that there are mentions of Internet Explorer 10 in some recent Windows 8 builds. In April 2010, Microsoft was telling OEMs that IE 9 would be the version of IE that would be included in Windows 8. My deduction: The IE team has decided to get the lead out, and is on a faster turn-around schedule than expected just a year ago.

Microsoft developers are working on M3, or Milestone 3, of Windows 8 at this point in time. Once M3 is done, which should/could be this summer, Microsoft is expected to make test builds of Windows 8 somewhat more widely available. I’ve heard from a couple of my contacts that Microsoft could show off Windows 8 to its partners at the Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference in July in Los Angeles, if not before. And last I heard, the Softies are still planning to hold a Professional Developers Conference (PDC) in September (most likely in Redmond), and plan to make available around that time either a Community Test Preview or possibly a beta of Windows 8.

Apologies for all the “allegeds” and “supposeds” in this post. Microsoft officials still are not talking about Windows 8, and — believe it or not — still not confirming officially that the next version of Windows will be “Windows 8.”

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RE: Windows 8: Beta collectors awaiting with bated breath for a leak
dfwekrwe4601-24353682600127612526006987982220 10th Nov
mlhcem,good post!
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This summer sure will be fun! Re-installing VMWare in anticipation!
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Hi happy
Another great article from Mary Jo.
Thanks and regards from Tom happy
My clients running Windows are thrilled. The anticipation will take their minds off all of the time and money they are spending getting Win 7 to work. Luckily they are starting to forget Vista.
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Wow, you must have some slow clients
Michael Alan Goff 30th Mar 2011
My mom even knows how to get Windows 7 working, and she is the most technologically illiterate person I know.
@john_gillespie@... You need to stop consulting for the monkeys in the zoo, they simply are not going to get computers no matter how much of a new market you think it is. Try humans, they can all get Windows 7 to work.
How can a version of windows be leaked, or any other software? from what i know those computers used in microsoft, apple etc are not connected to internet, no dvd drive and no usb ports are available. So how can someone "leak" a copy?
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@d.marcu: How can a version of windows be leaked, or any other software? from what i know those computers used in microsoft, apple etc are not connected to internet, no dvd drive and no usb ports are available. So how can someone "leak" a copy?

Specifically the part where it says:

"These builds may be from one or more select OEMs, who supposedly are finally starting to get private test builds of Windows 8 from Microsoft."
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Windows 8 beta was snow leopard
Richard Flude 30th Mar 2011
Windows 9 alpha will be shown at this years Apple WWDC.

"history vault" inclusion is confusing. The MCSEs have been claiming windows already had this feature;-)
@Richard Flude

Still confused by lipstick on a pig wink
Remember when Win 2003 was hacked and the Chinese were selling it before MicroSoft.
"Windows 8 feature known as ?History Vault.? The WinRumors.com site described History Vault as Microsoft?s answer to Apple?s Time Machine."

If roles were reversed I'm sure MS would be threatening to sue Apple; but no problems borrowing from them when it's an Apple feature they want to copy.

Anyway, I don't want tiles on my phone...I certainly don't wan it on my desktop. I'm good. Looks like I'll be on XP all the way to 2014.
@Socratesfoot

They're wrong. Time Machine is actually a clone of Shadow Copy that was introduced in Vista. A bad one at that, since TM doesn't support some of the technologies of NTFS that make Shadow Copy superior. History Vault is basically just a new name for Shadow Copy, with a few improvements.
@floopydoodle Shadow copy was around in Windows Server 2003
@floopydoodle I used shadow copy on Windows server 2003 so it was around before Vista and Snowleopard.
@Socratesfoot
The article mentions that the "tiled" interface will likely be an optional interface. Meaning that you won't be forced to use it.
@Socratesfoot

Tiles will most likely only appear if Windows detects a touch screen. Otherwise, you would have access to a desktop UI, which is rumored to be quite interactive, and "3D".
@Socratesfoot I think you are un-informed. Microsoft had "Shadow copies" and "prvious versions" and even good ol' Windows Backup in the OS before Apple put the campy star wars light speed animation to it.
Too bad you don't understand the differences in the various back-up methods you mention.
@Socratesfoot I second that!
@Socratesfoot me too
@Socratesfoot
Indeed, I have used Win 7 for 1 year now but reverted to using XP for my business laptop. It is just more efficient in various ways. Once we get to 2014 and the security updates run out I may continue to run it under Sun/Oracle Virtualbox on linux just to ensure it's safety. This config seems to work well without too much of a performance hit, but it is still in test mode for me. I simply cannot comprehend how fisher-price shapes and colours can be taken seriously by grown up people that really need to do some serious work. Whilst XP is not perfect and could be improved, so far it is one of the best GUIs ever produced. Some linux oes come very close but they also guilty of wasting desktop real estate, big fonts, etc. Pity that MS could not keep the XP interface option for those millions of people who prefer it whilst improving the underlying OS, i.e. Win 7 XP theme version, Win 8 XP theme version.
@Socratesfoot
I've been an MS fan since Billy bought his OS from Seatle Computer back in the '80s and presented to IBM as his own. THAT was as we all know how he got started. Fast forward 21 century. Same ole mentality.
Look, join the ANTI MS revolution and go with a platform that at least for the moment has kept the excitement, yet stability of a maturing OS. Obviously I speak of the Linuxes as well as the BSD based OSes. My current fav is not important, but there is so much variety. Thing is you likely already know this. Bottom line is each time MS hypocritically goes after another for ALLEGEDLY using an idea the should think about Xerox ( windows + icon+mouse interaction) Seattle Computer ( 1st os for Billy ) By the way we know who they bought out for getting a WORKABLE word processor, as well as SS. Ciao.
There is going to be major leakage alright, right down the toilet. Bad move to start talking Windows 8 so soon after 7. They are just shooting themselves in the foot. One bad business decision after another at MS.
@james347

What? You do realize that Microsoft has always had a 2 - 3 year development cycle, right? Not that you use Windows anyway.
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I guess it's worse for Ubuntu
LiquidLearner 30th Mar 2011
@james347

Since they start talking about 2 releases down before the next release is out...

What part of 3 year release cycle do you not understand?
@james347
Where did Microsoft say anything about windows 8. Read the ending of the article or maybe u didn't get that far.
@james347
I was gonna ask the same thing but you got blasted already. Windows 7 has been out what 2 years and windows 8 will be at least 2-3 years from launch so a 5 year turn around isn't soon at all in any industry. Wake up and join us in this decade.
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You guys are missing the point here.
Joe.Smetona 31st Mar 2011
@Fletchguy ...XP is viable and has a tremendous amount of individual and especially business users. It was replaced by Vista, then Win7. People haven't upgraded the way Microosft marketing would like.

The single most important modification to XP was the upsurge in Firefox usage that prevented infections by eliminating the threat posed by Active-X. Otherwise, users would have been using IE with Active-X and that would have been a great problem for MS.

Vista was a flash in the pan, but was fully advertised by MS. No credit for those expensive Vista purchases though. Now Win7. And what about credit for those Win7 licenses for Win8 purchases.
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Missing what point?
Wolfie2K3 31st Mar 2011
@Joe.Smetona
While it was true that Firefox may have prevented infections by way of ActiveX, it's been just as much of an epic fail as ANY other browser at stopping infections overall - because there are plenty of OTHER vulnerabilities in FF that could be exploited.

And for what it's worth - Windows 7 IS making major headway. The Windows 7 installed base is already greater than Vistas, and is cutting into XP's share as well.
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@Wolfie2K3...You are a victim. I've followed ZDNet for many years and their pattern is always the same.

The do it to FireFox and Open Office the most. They have articles about flaws in FireFox and OpenOffice that ONLY EXIST WHEN THE PROGRAM IS USED WITH WINDOWS. That's a fact they (almost) always neglect to mention. It's propaganda to try and discredit Firefox and OpenOffice by placing the blame for a Windows hole or vulnerability on the application being run. Yeah, Windows is exploited, but it's because of Windows. The application in then charged to fix the Windows problem by modifying their application to cover the hole. Microsoft doesn't pay a dime for this service.

I have first hand knowledge because I've been using Linux for 8 years and have been using the sister applications for Firefox and OpenOffice with NO Issues and NO problems.

So before you go blaming Firefox, realize that you have been victimized by propaganda and those issues don't happen on a secure OPEN SOURCE OS.
Alas, a Nation without honesty, integrity, morality.

?Unauthorized use or disclosure in any manner may result in disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment (in the case of employees), termination of an assignment or contract (in the case of contingent staff), and potential civil and criminal liability.?
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Freedom's finest moment.
Joe.Smetona Updated - 3rd Apr 2011
@rwlewis@... I just reviewed the Richard Stallman interviews on Australian television. What a contrast in philosophy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8BhOH9g_QE&NR=1 Stallman Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYADrhUR8nk&feature=related Stallman Part2
When I saw "MoSH" I hoped that Microsoft were finally going to update their tired old command line interface, maybe to something more like BASH or Csh, but no, we will probably be stuck with MS DOS for ever.
@colinmeister Microsoft has been there, done that already. Where have you been? It is called PowerShell and it makes BASH, Csh, Zsh look old and dull.
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I was going to say the same thing
LiquidLearner 30th Mar 2011
@grayknight

Powershell is awesome. Cmd isn't really MS DOS either, the commands have been updated quite a bit in the more recent versions of Windows.
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Windows 8??? More windows less landscaping.
lanwanadvisor 30th Mar 2011
Microsoft downplayed other operating systems (Mac OS, Linux, Ubuntu, Android, IOS, WebOS, etc.) Now, it's too late. Many have opened their eyes and now the compatibility is just a ghost that only scares Microsoft.
I am hoping that Microsoft listens to its beta testers this time as they ignore them in windows 7. hopefully they put back the classic UI option a sthats the biggest mistake that was brought up in beta testing 7. the current windows 7 ui isnt very good and takes a long time compared to classic xp layout to get things done. Flyouts are so much better. the tile option well thats a waste of time its one reason i won't get a windows 7 phone as the tiles are so in the way and annoying. id like to see a stripped down lite fast version of windows with classic usage and setup but better processor managment and memory use.
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WRONG!
MSFTWorshipper 6th Apr 2011
@Fletchguy The Windows 7 UI is great and I would NEVER want to go back to Win XP classic which is like going back to the ole "ball and chain". Keep sticking your head in the ground.
who cares, hardly anybody needs any of this "new" stuff and if they did they already have it (because other companies are the ones that invent it that ms copies and typically the other versions are better to what MS provides). I'd be fine with Win98 or XP if I didn't "have" to upgrade because of security holes in the various products.
@sequim_adm lol you must be actually retarded to leave this comment. Microsoft dominates the OS market by such a stupidly large margin that they aren't going anywhere for a LONG time. I'm assuming you're one of Apple's mindless followers who does no research before making comments about Windows related topics because whether you like to admit or not Windows owns about 86% of the OS market share right now. Also I always like to mention that Windows 7 gained more market share than all Mac OS's combined in less than a full year. Within 2 years Windows 7 has FOUR TIMES the market share than all of Mac does. Windows R.I.P? I think not.
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you mean windows vista 3
jt59 30th Mar 2011
that is what it is windows vista 3 and no they have not fixed the bugs in windows 7 yet
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It's like a troll collecting competition
Michael Alan Goff 30th Mar 2011
So, jt, how is 7 Vista 2 and how will 8 be Vista 3? Please explain.
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News Flash!!!
Wolfie2K3 31st Mar 2011
@jt59
There is NO such thing as 100% bug free code when it comes to anything more complex than a simple "Hello World" program.

Is Windows.next (Windows 8 or whatever it's going to be called) going to be based on the NT 6.x code...? Probably. More than likely in the same way that OSX Lion (10.0) is really OSX Cheetah 7 (10.7). Total rewrites for anything as complex as an operating system take lots of time and resources. Apple knows this, Canonical knows this, Microsoft knows this as well.
LEAK: The interface will use Kinetics (new version for PC)
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LOL.
Joe.Smetona 5th Apr 2011
@CyberAngel I was wondering what the new gizmo would be, after all it ain't security.
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Be careful now...
bandersnatch42vt 30th Mar 2011
@spacespeed - You burn a troll you gets rain.
If MS can allow use of the Windows Classic screen, file organization, and colors, I may consider moving to Win8. My wife is using Win7, she bought a new computer, and complains everyday about the look and how the files are organized.
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@brunnegd, Anybody who can't find their files in Windows 7, can't find anything on any operating system. Unless it's in the form of a desktop icon. How about telling her hit start then click on her name then, try documents first or, click start then type the name of the file. Finding things on Windows 7 really is incredibly easy. The jump lists also help a lot. Also make folders and name them something easy to remember. She could even make desktop shortcuts out of them.
I liked it better when M$ released new OS's every 10 years.
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like when they did it that ONE TIME
Michael Alan Goff 30th Mar 2011
And XP wasn't improved for those 5 (yes, 5) years in comparison to every other OS. 93, 95, 95 SE, 98, 98 SE, 2k, 2000, XP (2001), Vista (2006), Windows 7 (2009) Windows 8 (2012).
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RE: Windows 8: Beta collectors awaiting with bated breath for a leak
dfwekrwe4601-24353682600127612526006987982220 10th Nov
mlhcem,good post!

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