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Windows Home Server 'Vail' Release Candidate (minus Drive Extender) goes to testers

By | February 3, 2011, 10:04am PST

For those Windows Home Server (WHS) loyalists hoping against hope that Microsoft might reconsider its decision to cut Drive Extender from the coming ‘Vail’ release, your prayers have NOT been answered.

Microsoft is delivering the Release Candidate (RC) test build of Vail — Windows Home Server 2011 –  on February 3, and there is no Drive Extender included. There’s also no Drive Extender in “Aurora” — Small Business Server 2011 Essentials –  a Vail sibling for which Microsoft also is delivering an RC build today. (Aurora is a hybrid cloud-on-premises small-business server, for those who need a refresher.)

In case there is any confusion: Drive Extender is gone. It is not coming back. Period.

Both the Vail and Aurora RCs are public, and available for download as of 10 a.m. PT today via the Microsoft Connect site. Microsoft is calling these the “final, pre-release versions” of both products, with the release-to-manufacturing (RTM) code due in the first half of calendar 2011.

(The WHS team signed off on the RC earlier this week, as the tweet, pictured above — which the team quickly removed — indicated.)

The RC version of the products includes a new wizard for deploying storage and migrating folders. The wizard simplifies the process of detecting storage, formatting a disk, assigning a volume and moving a folder to the new volume, according to Microsoft officials. Microsoft also is making available “Learning Bites for Essentials,” which are 10 five-to-six-minute videos that go through self-service IT tasks available to those using the Small Business Server 2011 Essentials product.

The decision by Microsoft to cut Drive Extender from Vail late last year made for a lot of unhappy Vail users and testers. A number of them created a petition, requesting Microsoft reconsider its decision. Despite the thousands of (mostly angry) comments, the Drive Extender lobbying has not influenced the team.

Drive Extender, which was part of the first Windows Home Server release, provided for storage pooling of multiple hard drives and automated data duplication. Microsoft officials cut the feature after they (indirectly) said it was too buggy to merit inclusion in the final products. Microsoft is advising customers to use products from various storage OEMs instead.

I’ve seen rumors that some members of the Vail team, unhappy with the product’s directions, were seeking to “decouple” itself from the other small-business server teams at Microsoft and be moved to a different part of the company. But Director of Windows Server Marketing Manlio Vecchiet said that was not a possibility (or even something he had heard about).

Along with the RCs, Microsoft provided an update to the “Colorado” platform software development kit, which provides information and tools for developing add-ins to extend Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials.

I’m curious to see what testers who are still interested in Vail and those kicking the tires of Aurora think of the near-final RC builds….

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RE: Windows Home Server 'Vail' Release Candidate (minus Drive Extender) goes to testers
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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WHS is dead without the Drive Extender. Normal users can't be expected to use raids that can't be grown.
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Not interested any longer
bmgoodman 3rd Feb 2011
Removing Drive Extender was a deal-breaker for me. I'm no longer the least bit interested in the WHS v2 product. I'll stick with WHS v1 for as long as I can.
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WHS version 1
azasadny 3rd Feb 2011
I'll stick with Version 1 of WHS and move to a different product (NOT Microsoft's) when I finally have to retire the server I have used for the past 3 years.
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NT.
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was a waste of time and overated because of the size of the drives and RAID was better, so why pretend this matters to you now?

You're just a propeller-headed troll, so why even post?
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Doesn't matter to me, I'll still buy it.
AllKnowingAllSeeing 3rd Feb 2011
Was Drive Extender a bit overated? with 750 Gigabyte drives pretty much the norm anymore, did many people really get WHS for just the DE feature?

I use it for Media sharing and backups, DE was something I tried, but didn't really need.
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@AllKnowingAllSeeing
from rshol, WHS for $99 sounds alot more simple and far less complicated, but I'm not too concered about DE myself.

One disk on the desktop, one for the server: Done.

I have two 750G sata HD's in a RAID 1, and still haven't even scratched the surface in terms of hard disk usage, so DE is not a loss, at least not to me. Other people, sure that's a valid concearn, but how many, I really don't know.
@John Zern DE would be a loss for me, considering I have nearly 2 TB of video files I share on my home movie server....

Microsoft is going to tick a lot of people off.
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@John Zern
on that they'll tick off people because some really liked it, I'm just wondering what percentage? I know this isn't a large sampling by any means, but out of 4 people I know who use WHS (not including myself) none are setup with DE.

They just use one drive. I'm not saying its not a good feature, the ability to throw a second drive in to have it mounted and extended, I'm just curious as to whether it's a heavily used feature, that's all.
@AllKnowingAllSeeing
Yes, it was *the* reason I built a WHS server. I have 4x1TB drives in use, currently backing up nearly 2GB from my primary desktop, plus storing backups of my other desktop and laptops.
@AllKnowingAllSeeing

i got WHS v1 specifically for DE, and have been extremely pleased with the results. DE is simple enough i have had my wife replace a drive with a larger one for me and not worried about it 3TB and still growing, i've started testing Amahi as a replacement because i'm running into the 32 bit memory limits in WHS v1. without DE, i will not consider WHS v2.

(edit to correct spelling)
Already moved to Ubuntu server on my HP EX-495. Two small (200gb) drives software raid 1 array mounted as /, two bigger (1.5tb) drives software raid 1 array mounted as /home. MiniDLNA for media streaming. Samba for file sharing. SFTP for remote file access (beats the holy living heck out of file access via browser). Backup windows machines with Genie Timeline. Back up Macs with some free software I can't remember the name of from the mac app store (Time Machine to Linux was a nightmare). Throughputs are better. Don't have to use IE to administer remotely, just ssh in from laptop or iphone. Do not yet have the courage to try and install/use greyhole. All in all many better things. All I really miss is the nice drive lights on the front panel.
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Are you talking about WHS V1?
John Zern 3rd Feb 2011
@rshol
As with WHS you don't use IE to administer it, and you don't access your files using a browser.
Now I haven't played around with Vail, is that the version that requires what you just said?
@John Zern
If I am away from my home network, the only way to get to my files on any version of WHS is through a browser (I could install an FTP server like filezilla, but that's not very secure or use the WebDAV plugin for access, but WebDAV and Win 7 clients do not work together). Ditto for remote administration and its even worse because I have to use IE.

Connected to my LAN, of course I can access the SMB shares directly with windows explorer and use the WHS console or RDC to admin the box.
@rshol

filezilla support SSL encrypted sessions, and i have installed ssh on a windows host before as well.

these might be useful to you if you still have your WHS v1 system online
@erik.soderquist

The problem I found with Filezilla and the WHS FTP plugin are that there are difficulties (at least I had them) making the FTP shares the same as the SMB shares, because of the way WHS creates the shares (I guess). I tried FZ and even installed several ssh servers, but none of them worked well, including sshd in Cygwin.
@rshol

filezilla on WHS to look at the DE managed shares has to be set to run as an actual user, not the system account, and to look at the UNC name of the share

this can be crippling if you want to have multiple users with different permissions accessing the shares via FTP...

the only way i was able to work that piece was to rig multiple instances of Filezilla, each using different ports
One thing is for sure: Microsoft has made the Drobo and NetGear ReadyNAS folks quite happy.
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@breissim
I wonder if their partners (Hp, Dell, and others) would not sell the product unless it allowed then to sell the systems with proftable RAID options.

Drive extender removed that need.
@Mister Spock

wonder all you want, that is something i am wondering too... if that is the case, they will go to great lengths to bury that very very deeply
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If I'm going to be managing the drives manually or buying an external raid box anyway, I might as well look at a more complete server OS instead of Microsoft's crippleware. Perhaps the Mac Mini with the full server version of OS X will fill the bill when I replace my two HP home servers. It appears my video collection will have to be stored on an 8 drive external raid box now, anyway, so might as well go for full-featured, cheap, and easy. It would be nice to have a myriad of other server functions actually left in the OS instead of stripped out like MS does.
@BillDem
You want to use a server OS that will no longer supported on hardware that is "too small" for it, because you are mad about having to deal with drive letters? How will this this cheaper?
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I've been running WHS1 for a couple of years now - awesome product. The 2 reasons I chose WHS were it's backup agent, and DE. Software mirroring with granularity to the directory level is a VERY powerful and useful tool. Hardware mirroring is often motherboard/controller dependent, and recovering from catastrophic controller system failure is a whole lot easier when you can just grab a disk and whack it in a USB cradle. My WHS machine was built new, with a tiny (if you can call 300GB TINY) boot disk, and 2 new 1.5TB drives - It didn't grow like topsy.
The only thing I DIDN't Like about Drive Extender, was the way writes were "staged" - incoming file copies were written to a Staging area, and then - sometimes up to 10 minutes later, written out to the virtual filestore - Copying big movie files would make the server sluggish/unresponsive at random times just after copying large quantities of data (1GB+).
WHS without DE has lost it's most valuable, and powerful feature - I sure as hell won't be buying it.

Callan
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Drive extender not important OEMs
Vettelord 3rd Feb 2011
The vast majority of this OS will be sold installed by OEMs on their products. The end users that seem to be most angered by the removal of DE are the ones who build their own boxes. Microsoft does NOT want to sell this product to you! They sell it "OEM", meaning there is no retail version of Windows Home Server. I say if you build your own box, geek it up and use something else if DE matters that much to you.
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This Stinks
bytlan@... Updated - 3rd Feb 2011
I run 4) 1.5 T drives! I edit videos, photos and save my ISO & my Virtual (CD/DVD) Drive disks on the server to access the files and back up 6 PCs on top of the 5 DVR recorders to the mediacenter/share. And back up the server to external eSATA. With no DE or pooling, wow! That is gonna suck. I tried to use the card raid controller and it crashed on me more then I wanted. Tried several different brands too. DE worked for me with blank clean drives. Had to plug in the failed raid drives to an usb device to wipe the raid set up before I could use them back in the pool. The drives always wanted to go back to the other configuration that failed. Now what got to build a box for each machines back up and history (ShadowCopy-for the data not the OS. OS I like the drive image encapsulating as it recovers faster with the malware attacks we are getting) and then set up the http. What we are going to have to write the programming to do a Hyper V configuration or cloud configuration to get other things set up as a data center for the home use? Come on guys! At 57 I don't want to go back to school to run a home server setup...
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Microsoft has made a few calls in the past where they strip out functionality. This isn't the first time this has happened. When you use proprietary software like Windows, Microsoft is in control of YOU. This is why I use open source software completely now (Linux). Things change with open source, too, but when functionality is replaced, it's replaced by something better because it's developed by the people, not a single closed entity.
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Lets see you...
BitTwiddler 4th Feb 2011
Do a bare-metal restore from a Drobo or any NAS out there. Let me know when you've succeeded in that.
@BitTwiddler

i have done a bare metal restore from a set of drobo drives... it was a nightmare...

with DE, it was a usb adapter and copy files from a native NTFS filesystem
Well, I too obtained Vail for the SOLE reasons DE offered! I liked that I could start out with a few 500gb drives, and replace them one at a time with 750's and then 1-2 TB drives, all dynamically.And I certainly can't afford a Drobo.
what are the odds of anyone putting out a hack/patch to pre-RC Vail to allow us to keep using it past March 2011?
Well I certainly won't be paying MS for Vail. I'm like a lot of other people who have multiple hard drives of various sizes and love the flexibility of adding another drive into the mix. Sorry MS, you messed up on this one. What a disappointment.
With 8 drives, and adding more regularly, DE was a big deal. No Vail for me, I'm moving everything to Linux and am pretty happy so far. When Amahi 6 comes out soon I will probably make the switch. So far the backups are great, the streaming has more options and works better, and remote access features are much better than WHS or Vail. And since I was responsible for talking several others into WHS I feel obligated to help those folks move to Linux as well.
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