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Windows Phone users: LTE models may be closer than you think

By | December 29, 2011, 9:32am PST

Summary: Microsoft and partners are ready to launch at least three new LTE Windows Phone models in the first half of 2012, according to reports.

Word has begun leaking out — thanks in large part to Windows SuperSite’s Paul Thurrott — as to what U.S. users of Windows Phone can expect in early 2012.

Thurrott doesn’t say in his December 29 post about new LTE phones and carriers where he got his information. When I asked him, he said his information came from “internal documentation.”  So it sounds to me like this is, indeed, what Microsoft and partners are likely to be planning to disclose at the Consumer Electronics Show in January.

According to Thurrott, there are three LTE-based Windows Phone handsets that will ship on AT&T before the middle of 2012 –the Nokia ACE, HTC Radiant, and Samsung Mendel. (The ACE is due March 18, he says.) He also reports that the Nokia Lumia 710 (which Microsoft and Nokia have already confirmed will be out in mid-January on T-Mobile) will be available on Verizon in April 2012. The Lumia 710 is not an LTE device, which makes Verizon’s supposed ultimatum — LTE or else, Microsoft — somewhat toothless.

(Nokia is slated to hold a press conference at CES on January 9, the same day that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will be keynoting as part of Microsoft’s final CES appearance.)

There’s no word in Thurrott’s post as to when/if Verizon will add any Windows Phones supporting LTE to its lineup. So far, there’s still only one Windows Phone available on Verizon: The first-generation HTC Trophy.

One thing we still don’t know is whether the new LTE devices will be running something beyond the “Mango” Windows Phone operating system. Last year I heard there were two “Tango” releases coming after Mango (known internally as Tango 1 and Tango 2). Tango 1, according to my contacts, was focused on adding support in new markets. Tango 2 supposedly was/is focused on bringing Windows Phone to lower priced smartphones. The next major Windows Phone operating system update, codenamed “Apollo,” supposedly is a late 2012 release — as I noted way back in December 2010.

One other note: I’ve refrained from commenting on all the posts this week about why Windows Phone has sold so abysmally to date. I feel like we know the answers (at least in the U.S.): Microsoft was late to market and didn’t feel the need to pay carrier-store reps commissions or engage in guerrilla marketing.

It’s worth remembering that Microsoft many times grows its share simply by waiting for its competitors to stumble. That’s what happened with the Xbox. It could happen — aided by a push from Microsoft on the legal front (in Android’s case, at least) — in phones.

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: Windows Phone users: LTE models may be closer than you think
jatbains 9th Jan
@Sultansulan You are a sad person. Windows Phone is a breath of fresh air. Windows 8 will further the Metro gospel to the masses.
... and most of the world has no plans to be on LTE.

Seriously, right now unless you live within the very small area where LTE is available, investing on a power hungry device and paying extra for a service you can't get is kind of dumb.
@wackoae

agreed but consumers don't know that. carriers push data plans and LTE is a gold mine and if window sphone doesn't have it, it will be dropped.
@neonspark

Bingo! Carriers are what built Android and I-Phone sales as well. MS needs to roll up its sleeves and go gorilla! Hockey Masks and hand grenades will win the hearts of consumers! My family has already converted to the Windows Phone platform. We don't dare touch Android because we prefer to keep our trash in a can at the street corner. We ditched our Apple products as well because who wants to be a drone that looks and acts like everyone else?
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Drone or delusional
ego.sum.stig@... 30th Dec
I'd go for drone, if I could find a use for a "smart" phone. Why people want to be chained to work etc by a mobile is beyond me.
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rob.sharp@... - 'Hockey Masks and hand grenades will win the hearts of consumers' - LOL! It's Hockey Sticks. Hockey Masks just make us think of Jason from Friday the 13th. .... er .... nevermind. Microsoft is just as scarey as Jason.
@wackoae
MS fanboys are starting to sound like Apple fanboys back when Apple offered terrible value for the money. Yes, not having something you can easily turn off is now a feature. And complaining about not having it is your own fault (regardless of your specific needs).
@anono I guess Android fanboys don't like it when somebody shows them that bragging rights mean nothing when the bragging gives absolutely no benefits to the bragger.
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@anono
And Mac user know that.

That really was just a troll statement, right? Why else would you lie about something like that?
@wackoae
Say what?
Have LTE (AT&T) and it run great! Have 4G if no LTE. Then I have 3G if no other...

Love the options!!!

iOS and WP don't offer it.
No brag, just fact.
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Go prepaid
jjworleyeoe 29th Dec
@wackoae

Totally agree. My parents live in a rural area but get Verizon 3G with the MIFI device. The speeds, with a clean connection, are quite good.

MS needs to go huge into prepaid in order to out flank Verizon, who has no intention of truly jumping on the WP bandwagon.

If MS' US market share doesn't crack 10% by the end of 2012, they need to buy Sprint as a strategic move. At some point, Google will move to buy or deploy their own wireless network, which means MS can seize first mover's advantage.
Don't need to engage in gorilla marketing? Obviously. That said Nokia's event with Deadmau5 in London was exactly the type of thing MS needs to be doing.
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Mary Jo Foley 30th Dec
Hi, I think that marketing/promo was from Nokia, not MS. But MS probably footed part of it... Thanks. MJ
@webdev511@...

Wp7 is almost DEAD
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@Sultansulan
people see your fear, and understand it.
Why a phone operating system should frighten you so is illogical.

It makes no sense. plain
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@Mister Spock - Coming from the finger tips of one who is scared their boss won't make commission this month. You bust us up, and it's not just your ears that make us laugh!
@Sultansulan You are a sad person. Windows Phone is a breath of fresh air. Windows 8 will further the Metro gospel to the masses.
Thanks MJ for the common sense regarding WinPhone sales to date. The doom-saying and/or hand-wringing from other tech bloggers demonstrates the worst in tech blogging: opinion devoid of fact and evidence. It appears Microsoft will be ramping up the marketing of its phones well above the first year level (admittedly, that would not be tough to do). I watch very little commercial TV and I've seen repeated airings of a pair of WinPhone ads so it appears there must be a fairly large buy at work right now.

As for the main point of your post, just what is the truth about LTE and battery life? I assume the real drainer of the battery on an LTE phone will be the same as on my HSPDA+ phone: use of video. Or does the LTE technology itself consume more power just handling regular data?
@cantbeme
LTE radios themselves use a lot more power. It is the reason why, to date, there really isn't a really "usable" LTE phone. Those are probably at least six months away.

That said, MS should offer it because there are those who spend their day near a power outlet and think the tradeoff is worth it. The whole point of having an "open" OS like WP is so that it can run on whatever configuration users want. Right now, the fact that there is nothing above a mid-tier WP available is really hurting their sales.

In addition to 3G, WPs max out at:
16 GB of storage RAM.
800x480 screen resolution
1.5 GHz single core processors
-- All tech available approximately a year ago.
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battery life and LTE
Mary Jo Foley 30th Dec
Hi. I don't know how much LTE drains batteries beyond the many anecdotes and reviews I've seen claiming as much. I have not tried any LTE phones myself. MS has said they were waiting to provide LTE support with WP until battery issues were worked out, but it's not entirely clear to me if that was an excuse on their part for not having support for it yet in their OS/platform. MJ
Verizon needs to step up its WP7 game. Selling only 2 WP7 phones they are going to miss out on a lot of revenue. Due to the absolutely horrible customer service I receive every time I go into a Verizon store I am highly considering switching to another carrier, one that supports WP7 and one that will acknowledge that I'm in their store and willing to spend money.
Moved from Verizon to ATT for Windows Phone, total 6 phones and very happy. The data speeds are good, battery life is good and the UI is the best Phone UI
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RE: Windows Phone users: LTE models may be closer than you think
The Danger is Microsoft Updated - 2nd Jan
@ninjacut - What??? But AT&T sucks because they were the first provider for iPhones. Their service sucks right? Now that they offer WP7 it's ok? What a miracle! Guess all those iPhone users have nothing to worry about anymore, right? Now that WP7 is available from AT&T their network is great! Gee....let me guess....Microsoft invested billions directly into the AT&T mobile infrastructure to make sure WP7 works well. ~Thank you MS!~

/end of MS
There are many things I love about my WP7 phone - especially the Back button and a modern OS, but battery life is another. While other phones need to be plugged in each night, I get 2-3 days on my HTC Mozart.

Apart from whether LTE gets traction in other countries, the battery problem with LTE is still not solved. I'm also wondering why I need a faster phone speed. My WP7 phone automatically uses my home WiFi and work WiFi to give me my normal internet speeds over 95% of the time and there is also lots of public WiFi available in different locations. Do I want battery and money draining LTE? Not at the moment thank you wink
@tonymcs@...
I would not want LTE right now. Four hours of real use just doesn't cut it. But there are those who use their data less (and thus would get more time) and those who spend most of their day right next to a power outlet and relish the higher speeds. MS needs to accommodate all buyers -- that's the point of having an "open" OS.
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You need to have REAL coverage
wackoae Updated - 30th Dec
@jdakula It doesn't matter if you are plugged to the wall 24/7 and never move. If you are not near a REAL LTE tower you are not going to get any of the promised speeds.

And guess what?? LTE is only available in less than 2% of the country and where it is available, the reliability is not that good.
@tonymcs@...
Do you get 2-3 days battery life with wi-fi ALWAYS switched on?
I too have an HTC Mozart, and I can squeeze a maximum of 2 days battery life only with wi-fi off. Otherwise I get the usual smartphone battery life of 1 day.
@jaykayess LTE cost more than 3G. If you plan to be on wi-fi most of the time, then there is no real reason to pay extra for the LTE service. You aren't getting any real benefit for the extra cost.
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RE: Windows Phone users: LTE models may be closer than you think
The Danger is Microsoft Updated - 2nd Jan
@jaykayess - Answer. Yes. Have not plugged my iPhone in since 12/26/11. Working great still. Down to 25% power after 3 hrs use each day. 1 week, 3 hrs. per day use (games, calls, browsing, pod casts) and it still has 25% power! Waiting for it to not work before I charge it. Seems like it may last another 2 days or more!

Note: I have had cell data (3G) turned off the entire time. Only using WiFi for data and have location services turned on (GPS).
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@tonymcs@... Have not plugged my iPhone in since 12/26/11. Working great still. Down to 25% power after 3 hrs use each day. 1 week, 3 hrs. per day use (games, calls, browsing, pod casts) and it still has 25% power! Waiting for it to not work before I charge it. Seems like it may last another 2 days or more!
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Why doesn't someone - perhaps ZDNet - post an online survey asking how many of us are totally pissed off at Verizon's lack of "WP 7.5" smartphone offerings + the latest "official" news updates (AT&T announced the Samsung Focus S and HTC Titan in Sept and then followed through)

For us, and perhaps many others, Verizon "grandfathered us, last July 6th into an UNLIMITED 3G and 4G LTE data plan" - verified 3X with Verizon CS!!! Around the same time, AT&T LOWERED their "data plan to 2 GB" for NEW customers - Verizon then followed suit. SO ... "IF" you were already on an "unlimited smartphone plan" ... with BOTH AT&T - AND - Verizon - then you were grandfathered in (as long as you maintained that unlimited plan).

THE DAY that AT&T came up with a "Verizon SWITCH TO AT&T and KEEP your unlimited plan" ... could esily be the day we swithched !! I know some will say, they do't need 4G today ... but how about over the life of a NEW 2 YR contract??? That's the issue ... the 2 YR contracts!

This simple move would most likely "light a fire" under Verizon's "middle finger approach" to WP users !!! I know a TON of business users VERY UNHAPPY with BB and would love to see more Verizon WP choices !

I mean, come on, there are benchmarks all over the place showing how AT&T "HSPA 4G" is up to 5X FASTER than Verizon's "stone age level 3G" speedtests. On my Trophy in the San Francisco Bay Area I get ".8 to 1.2" down and an embarressing .4 to .7 up. Note: we have been using Verizon 4G USB modems for since it's launch over a year ago = 14 to 22 down and 4 to 6 up !!

There have to be a ton of people who would vote !!!

NOW THAT would be a "story" ... is Verizon correct that "Verizon users" don't want MORE WP choices including LTE ... or are they, in fact, "ignoring their users needs"???
@anywhereanytime Verizon has more pressing needs than to shift their entire technology platform for 0.3 percent of the addressable market. "Chose to buy a Windows Phone" is not yet a recognized disability under the ADA (though it might be a symptom).
@symbolset ... so, why doesn't ZDNet run a survey as to exactly how many people would like to see more Windows Phones!
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The Danger is Microsoft Updated - 2nd Jan
@anywhereanytime - because ZDNet, while make most of their money by shilling for Microsoft, knows that no one wants an MS OS phone.
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It's easy to say you (softies) don't want it when your phone can't/don't/maybe in the future support it.

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