Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

Summary: I can't believe that manufacturers still can't match Apple's touch experience and a weekend with the webOS TouchPad convinces me the iPad is still the one to beat.


The webOS-powered HP TouchPad was released in the beginning of July and after spending over 15 minutes with one at Best Buy I was planning to skip this tablet. HP then had some crazy deals where you could find the 16GB model for $300 and a Twitter buddy found a deal on Craigslist so I jumped on one for $325. After spending the weekend using the TouchPad for several hours, I have to say it is better than the RIM BlackBerry PlayBook, but even at just over $300 I still can't recommend this tablet to anyone and the iPad is all I can tell people to buy when they ask about 10 inch tablets.

FYI, this TouchPad I purchased does have the latest OS update so my issues below are not due to an old firmware. Just this morning I sat there for about a minute with the Wall Street Journal app open and no taps or swipes registering as the TouchPad just sat there being unresponsive. Pressing the button did take it to the home screen, but there was no display responses when touching the screen within an app.


The HP TouchPad is not an elegant tablet and is a chunky beast with a super glossy back.It makes up for some of my hardware concerns with the rounded corners, decent stereo speakers, and very slick Touchstone charging dock. The iPad and iPad 2, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and even the Motorola Xoom are all better hardware. I don't understand why HP couldn't have released a tablet with a slimmer profile, especially after they saw the first generation iPad and knew another would be coming soon. The TouchPad is 0.54 of an inch thick while the iPad 2 is 0.34 and the original iPad is 0.5. The TouchPad also weighs in at 1.6 pounds compared to the iPad 2 at 1.3 pounds. I am not too bothered by the weight since a 10 inch tablet is going to have some heft to it, but the thickness bothers me when compared to my sleek iPad 2.

The display is the same size and resolution as the iPad (9.7 inches at 1024 x 768 pixels) and is comparable in quality. However, I am not sure if it is webOS or the display, but the touch experience was so incredibly frustrating this weekend that I almost threw the TouchPad against my concrete patio. On multiple occasions the display became completely unresponsive to swipes and touches and the device just sat there. I couldn't tell if something was processing in the background or if I wasn't tapping or swiping in exactly the right manner so I tapped and I tapped and I tapped. Eventually, the display became aware of my presence again and at times performed multiple tap actions as the OS tried to catch up with what I was doing for the last 30 seconds.

Apple excels at the touch experience and I have yet to find a phone or tablet manufacturer that can mimic the responsiveness of iOS devices. I am not expecting HP to live up to the iOS level, but there should NEVER be a time when my tap or swipe doesn't register on the display and HP needs to get this figured out ASAP as the experience is very frustrating at this time and this alone kills my desire to even use the tablet.

Operating system

webOS is a very slick UI with a great multi-tasking design through the cards and I do like it on the HP TouchPad, but even with just a few apps loaded up I have been seeing "too many cards open" errors and am beginning to think that Apple and Microsoft may have multi-tasking better designed for today's mobile devices. iOS and Windows Phone 7 multi-tasking essentially freezes the background apps when you go elsewhere and I find double-tapping and selecting an open app on the bottom row of my iPad to be a much more efficient means of jumping between apps.

I love the way that webOS integrates so many services into the OS with Synergy, much like the way Microsoft does with Windows Phone 7 Mango. It is especially handy with the messaging app and photos, although I really don't see too much need for messaging on a 10 inch WiFi only tablet since I tend to use messaging services when I am out and about on my phone a whole lot more than when I am sitting on my couch at home with a tablet.

The integrated contacts app is good, but the calendar is not as good as the one on the iPad. Email is about the same on both the iPad and TouchPad with a universal inbox and support for all the typical email clients you would expect. iOS does better with dates and addresses in email messages, but HP may get webOS updated to include this too in the future.

The web browser is great and similar to what I saw on the BlackBerry Playbook. I have seen people argue that you don't need apps when the browser is so good and I myself made that argument when I had my BlackBerry PlayBook. However, I personally find apps that are optimized for certain experiences to be better than a fully functional browser.

The keyboard is easily MUCH better on the webOS-powered TouchPad and Apple could take a few cues here in iOS 5. I LOVE the dedicated number row and the way the letters switch between capital and lower case as I enter text, just like it should on all virtual keyboards. It's also pretty slick how you can switch to extra small, small, medium, and large keyboard sizes on the TouchPad.

The display takes a while to rotate from one orientation to another quite often and I will sit there holding it in portrait for several seconds waiting for it to finish something or whatever the OS is doing before the display rotates. This should be instantaneous at this point.

3rd party apps

HP has a rather lame launcher with four tabs for Apps, Downloads, Favorites, and Settings. The default apps are found in Apps, ones you download in Downloads, those you drag and drop into Favorites, and your device preferences in Settings. I have been moving those I use most into Favorites, but would love to be able to create my own tabs for Games, Work, Media, and such and think this should be a fairly easy fix in a future OS update too.

After over 2 years of webOS existence there are still only something like 3,000 6,200 apps for the platform. In the HP App Catalog you can see apps with "For TouchPad" attached to them that are optimized for the large screen tablet. I am not sure how many there are and the ones that are available are generally quite good. There are quite a few games, but many of them cost a few bucks and if you have a smartphone version you still have to buy the tablet version.

I would like to see a filter to just show my TouchPad apps since I don't care at all for the way HP lets you use smartphone apps in a small window, much the way the iPad lets you run iPhone apps. I did find a couple of my Palm smartphone games, like Cronk, actually play well in full screen even though they are not TouchPad optimized.

I know when a new form factor or OS launches that there won't be a large number of apps available, but I also don't understand the apparent blind faith that so many people on Twitter put into HP releasing a ton of TouchPad apps. As I stated above, after 2+ years we only have 3,000 webOS apps so what makes people think there will be developers releasing thousands more apps soon for the TouchPad? Is this just the hopes of die hard Palm enthusiasts or can we really expect developers to jump on a platform that falls under "other" in every smartphone market share report?

TouchPad staying or going?

I started my mobile life with Palm in 1997 and as many times as they have stumbled over the years, I still have a special place in my heart for them. Since I was able to pick up my TouchPad for just over $300, I am going to keep in and see where HP goes with the platform. James mentioned the webOS homebrew community and I am going to try out some of those patches on my new device to see if tweaking it can improve performance and maybe even address the lack of touch response.

When friends and family ask me what tablet they should buy, I am still going to recommend the Apple iPad because I think it is still the leader in the tablet market and there are so many apps and services available for it that there is very little it cannot do. HP's webOS is my 2nd favorite though and I see more potential and desire to improve it than I do with RIM and the PlayBook.

If any of you have an HP TouchPad I would love to know what apps you recommend I try out so please send them along or leave your suggestions in the comments.

Topics: Hardware, Hewlett-Packard, iPad, Laptops, Mobile OS, Mobility, Operating Systems, Smartphones, Tablets

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  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    Go to the app catalog search feature and key in the string "for touchpad" this is the filter you are looking for. As of the morning of 7/8 there are 305 apps for the TP.

    You should try the preware (homebrew) patches and overclocked kernels. It does change the experience quite a bit.

    BTW there are closer to 8,000 WebOS apps available.
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    I was playing with the Tablet in best buy and I have to tell you, like you, I wasn't impressed at all.

    Personally, I feel that gestures have to be used in a way that makes sense and that just isn't always the case with either the Touchpad or the Blackberry Playbook.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @Peter Perry You flick cards. How does that not make sense?
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    You didn't say whether you updated your TP to webOS 3.02. If you didn't, your post is meaningless. That OTA update improves lag and stability immensely. (For the more adventurous, you can overclock the device for even faster performance)
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    Matt, your comments mirror mine after the original release of the TP, but I found the lags to mostly disappear after a couple of days. I believe it has to do with Synergy syncing in the background for a brief time. After the OTA update I found the responsiveness to be quite good on my TP.

    I never get out of memory messages on my TP, never have. I always have 5 or 6 apps running all the time, plus 2 or 3 browser windows and I don't have any trouble at all. I wonder why yours is running out so much.

    Your experience with touch insensitivity also doesn't reflect my experience at all. Mine just doesn't do this and never has. I wonder if there is something about your particular unit?
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @JamesKendrick I think the 'too many apps open' problem is more a function of which apps you're running, than how many you have open.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @JamesKendrick . Me either. My touchpad has been relatively flawless since I bought it on July 1. Any lag or non responsivensess was minor, and pretty much has gone away with the update. With 82G of storage, I am extremely happy with the Touchpad. webOS is THE operating system to have, and just having that, makes the Touchpad worth it. I laugh at the people who care about 3 oz additional weight. 3oz!!!! What do we have, a bunch of effeminate men using tablets? It's hilarious. What isn't hilarious, is the Touchpads four size keyboard with dedicated number row. I think it is the only tablet that does that, and that is major for folks that use a tablet early and often. But really, the mutitasking capability of webOS is the main attraction, and I am loving Beats Audio, too!! Apple, eat your heart out. You've got a dominant position in the market, but you now have an inferior product that happens to, as of now, have a ton of additional apps as your only selling point among discriminating tablet buyers.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @JamesKendrick My experience has been largely the same and I'm also finding Matt's comments about the touch sensitivity and "too many cards" errors to be a head scratcher. I have seen the "too many cards" error (WebOS's equivalent to "out of memory") periodically on my Pre, but I have yet to see it at all on my TouchPad in more than a month of heavy use.

      I do see occasional touch sensitivity issues in a few applications (Spaz in particular), but it isn't frequent enough to be more than a small annoyance and it also doesn't seem to me to be systemic as I've never encountered it at all in many applications or when interacting with the launcher and cards.
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    I just paid $22.87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, BidsOut. com
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @VillarrealAndy Yeah!! Ok, man. whatever you say. LMAO
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @VillarrealAndy So, how much did you spend on bids for all those super low prices? Looks like over two thousand bids for the iPad, over three thousand for the camera, etc. You need to include those numbers when you brag.
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    The TouchPad is thicker...ostensibly because of the touchstone charging dock...

    I played with one at Best Buy this weekend. It's not a bad product...but the whole tablet thing has me confused. Apple's sales numbers certainly don't lie, but I am having a difficult time understanding why folks would want a tablet versus a more powerful and equally mobile laptop or netbook. I guess I am in the minority here.
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      Holding the pad is annoying enough. Laptop keeboard is not just a keybord, it is also support frame which free user's hands.
      Application supporting is just a joke.
      • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

        The case with adjustable stand frees your hands and is 5lb lighter than a laptop's keyboard. I was overseas where I had to use public transport by default and carrying the tablet was a godsend. I had the tablet (plus Olympus E-PL2 camera) in the laptop bag and would have to open it periodically just to check it was still in there.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @NoIcon - Well, first off, laptops are not equally mobile. They are heavier, need a big laptop bag, big charger, use more energy, and they are easier to damage.

      Secondly, most folks don't need the 'power' of a laptop or the headaches of the OS and all the many applications.

      In short, small and quick just works for many consumers.
      The Danger is Microsoft
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      1) A laptop's 'power' can be deceptive. True, the tablet cannot operate Adobe CS suite/etc. but when it comes to certain tasks, it actually can seem quicker than a laptop.
      2) It is truly portable, not somewhat portable like a laptop is. With the tablet you can walk around the house; stand in line; move from office to office; etc. Try that with a laptop... a laptop is meant for a lap or a desk, it's quite cumbersome if you're actually moving around.

      3) You're not at the mercy of a keyboard designed after typewriter keyboards going back at least 100 years.

      Let's face it, laptops are pretty good up to a point as long as you're using their strengths. But they also have weaknesses, which is where the tablet jumps-in and does it's thing.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      Shrug. I am puzzled by people who ask this question. Notebooks are slow, the screen and keyboards are two small for devices that require two hands.
      I look over at my wife with a hot, heavy laptop in her lap, fan blowing loudly, while I'm sitting there with an iPad in my hands. Just about any activity she does is harder on the laptop than my iPad.
      Of course, when I want to work, I go to my desktop with my three monitors and wonder who people get anything done on those slow laptops with tiny keyboards and one monitor.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      I was one of the tablet deniers until I got a touchpad. I now leave my laptop at work and do 95% of my homecomputing on the pad. Desktop use is limited only to photoediting and video editing niw. You really have to use one, put it in your workflow and realise how convenient it it is.
    • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

      @NoIcon The ones at Best Buy didn't have the updates applied and were locked down.... bad move on HP's part as it didn't show the real speed of the device.
  • RE: Weekend with the HP TouchPad: webOS has lots of room for improvement

    I have a hard time taking any review serious, there are far too many apple fan boys in the tech media to trust any review. The HP touch pad is a different device, and IMO Webos is the best Os there is. It just doesn't have the support. Ios5 may change things but I find ios to be extremely boring, yes it?s smooth and for some that?s enough. But I get bored so quickly with it; it?s so rigid and unmoving. I love Webos and hope it can get past all the apple fan boys.

    p.s. this comes from somebody who owns an iphone 4...I'm eagerly waiting for the pre 3 so I can ditch it and move to something more flexible.