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Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite

By | February 9, 2012, 11:18am PST

Summary: Microsoft has finally come clean about the Windows 8 on ARM mobile devices. It is being called WOA, but perhaps Windows Lite would be more appropriate.

Microsoft has kept a veil over the Windows on ARM coming with Windows 8, until today. Windows unit President Steven Sinofsky has published a massive blog post detailing just how WOA, as Microsoft is calling Windows on ARM, will work. Sinofsky has answered questions that have been floating around about WOA, which is sounding like a more apt name for the product would be Windows Lite.

WOA, as in woa is mea, my apps don’t work, will only be distributed through the purchase of new hardware. There will be no user installs of WOA, it must be preinstalled by the vendor. This makes sense given the OS is basically a firmware image on ARM-based equipment.

Sinofsky answered a big question about whether Windows 8 desktop apps will run on the ARM platform. That is a resounding no. The only desktop apps outside of system apps that will run on WOA systems are Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and OneNote. These are special versions for WOA tweaked for good battery performance on tablets and other mobile devices.

WOA includes desktop versions of the new Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. These new Office applications, codenamed “Office 15”, have been significantly architected for both touch and minimized power/resource consumption, while also being fully-featured for consumers and providing complete document compatibility. WOA supports the Windows desktop experience including File Explorer, Internet Explorer 10 for the desktop, and most other intrinsic Windows desktop features—which have been significantly architected for both touch and minimized power/resource consumption.

While Microsoft is stating that the Windows 8 desktop is alive and well in WOA, it only means system functions such as File Explorer. No existing legacy user apps will run in WOA, and it’s not possible to port them to the new environment.

WOA does not support running, emulating, or porting existing x86/64 desktop apps.

The only way for users to get WOA apps and device drivers will be through the Microsoft Store or Microsoft/Windows Update. While not specifically stating it is forbidden, this would imply that users will not be able to sideload apps obtained through other sources. I am trying to get clarification from Microsoft on this.

WOA will support all new Metro apps, which as stated will be the only apps available on the ARM version of Windows. Microsoft is obviously planning on developers to churn out a lot of apps quickly, which will be a good thing if true.

The web browser in WOA will be based on Internet Explorer 10, and will not run Flash. The cancellation of Flash mobile by Adobe has every vendor reconsidering whether to even support it in new products, and Microsoft has chosen to avoid it.

With WOA only coming with device purchases, it is assumed Microsoft will keep updating the OS forever, right? This statement from Sinofsky leads us to hope that is the case, at least for a while. It sort of depends on whether Microsoft views the useful lifetime of the PC to be the same as the consumer.

Over the useful lifetime of the PC, the provided software will be serviced and improved.

A good takeaway from all of this new detail about WOA is that Microsoft has approached it to be a new hardware/software approach from the ground up. The new hardware will have a new OS and totally new apps designed to take full advantage of that environment. Since this is a totally new platform, it leads me to wonder why it had to be tagged with the Windows 8 moniker. It seems like a flashier name would be more fitting in the market. WOA just conjures up a sad mental image.

Since WOA is only distributed through hardware vendors Microsoft will make special non-retail hardware available with WOA for developers and vendors to preview. This will likely start happening at the end of this month when the Consumer Preview of Windows 8 on x86 will be available.

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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
danbi 10th Feb
Hm... what do we have here.. an copycat of Apple's iOS, by Microsoft.

Where is the innovation? Why would one select this "WOA" thing instead of iOS? Because of the Microsoft name? The Microsoft great experience with mobile devices? Or Microsoft's great experience with power efficient programming?

I begin to wonder, when is really under the hood of this WOA/WinRT? An Linux derivative or Android clone perhaps? They would have named it Winddroid, instead.
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Makes sense?
D.T.Long 9th Feb
"This makes sense given the OS is basically a firmware image on ARM-based equipment."

A Windows installation on a desktop/notebook PC is an image on an HDD/SSD installed by the OEM or the owner later.

Pretty weak justification. There may be many other reasons, such as driver support and lack of support for external media, but the "image" reason is pretty weak.
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This is hardly surprising
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
I never believed that Windows on ARM would support x86 apps.

"WOA, as in woa is mea, my apps don???t work"

Why wouldn't Metro apps work on WOA? They should work just fine. Apple did a good job of creating a platform where you can buy an app once and have it run on your iPhone and your iPad. Microsoft is simply taking it one step further where the same app will run on your smartphone, tablet, and desktop / laptop. That is a huge win for users.

I have to admit that I find this gnashing of teeth regarding "backwards" compatibility to be quite amusing. You all tell us that Microsoft is killing itself because it tries so hard to maintain backwards compatibility and then when they stop, you tell us Microsoft is killing itself because it isn't maintaining backwards compatibility. It does make it hard to take any of what you people say seriously.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
bobiroc 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z

I will admit that I am still a bit skeptic about Windows 8 but I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the same app running on all those platforms. This is a goal of Microsoft to unify their offerings from their phones, tablets to computers/Laptops and even their game console. Microsoft is in a position where it could unify and reach the masses. One LiveID for many different platforms and services. Much more than Apple can offer especially since Microsoft seems at least a little bit willing to offer some of their services on third party devices and platforms. You won't see Apple offering iBooks, Facetime, or anything like that from Apple being used outside of their branded products. Heck, if it wouldn't have killed the iPod dead many years ago you may have never seen iTunes outside of MacOS.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
Joel-r 10th Feb
@bobiroc Well let me point this out for you. Microsoft makes the bulk of their profit from selling software licenses. Microsoft is not selling Halo 3(or whatever the newest one is) for the PS 3. They???re not offering Zune, to Internet Explorer, (software) for any other OS. The software they do offer for competing platforms is always crippled for the other platforms. And by crippled, I mean has features missing.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
jeremychappell 10th Feb
@Joel-r You'd think that, but it doesn't seem to be true. Microsoft don't seem to cripple products running on other operating systems, quite the reverse. They do often decide to not offer a product, but that's something different.

The current version of Halo is "Halo: Reach" (though there is a remake of the original Halo: Combat Evolved). Both are excellent products BTW wink

A case in point is Office for the Mac. They don't make all the individual products available, but I don't think I'd claim that Word on the Mac is worse than Word on the PC. Now it isn't completely "Mac like" but that's a different issue entirely.
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You make a good point
William Farrel 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z
On one hand the bloogers claim to improve, or move forward with Windows, they have to discard the backward compatibility, then in a different blog claim that to move Windows forward they have to maintain backward compatability.

So which blog do we believe?
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
Samic 9th Feb
@William Farrel
the answer is both.

The way Microsoft doing is move the old stuff on to emulation/virtualization layer so that they could build Windows on new archetechure while maintaining backward compatibility.
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They are maintaining it on the desktop
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@Samic
But the tablet is the perfect device to break backwards compatibility on since Windows tablets were never very popular. I think we are going to see a push towards developers creating Metro apps if it makes sense. In 10? years, the majority of new apps may very well be Metro apps and at that point, native support for Win32 apps could be removed and replaced with virtualization.
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Really tiny font
Robert Hahn 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z
    the same app will run on your smartphone, tablet, and desktop / laptop.
Does the BS never stop? The Munchkins have been running around ZDNet for months telling us all that once Windows 8 came out, Windows tablets would take over the world because they would run Windows apps, and that is what everyone wants.

People who had written a few lines of code in their lives were highly skeptical of that claim, and now it turns out they were right.

Now here you come with the reverse claim: that apps written for a touch-screen ARM machine will run just fine on your desktop. Well, let's ask the obvious questions: does your desktop have to be an ARM machine? Does it have to be running Windows 8? Do you have to be using the Metro interface on your desktop? Do you have to have a touch-screen monitor on your desktop?

People kept asking for this kind of 'fine print' back when the claim was that legacy Windows apps would run on the desktop on ARM-based Windows tablets. Now that we see the fine print, it says, "It won't work." What does your fine print say?
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I know you hate Microsoft, it must be hard for you to think rationally
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@Robert Hahn
"The Munchkins have been running around ZDNet"

Why do you listen to munchkins? Doesn't sound like a smart thing to do. I don't listen to munchkins. I never believed Windows ARM tablets would run Win32 apps. I don't know if we will see any x86 tablets but I would guess that if we do, those will run Win32 apps just fine. I don't see why they wouldn't considering Microsoft has been releasing tablets for years that can run Win32 apps. Do you believe that x86 tablets will NOT be able to run Win32 apps? If so, please state it so we can discuss. If you believe that x86 tablets WILL be able to run Win32 apps then I'm not sure what you are complaining about.

"Now here you come with the reverse claim: that apps written for a touch-screen ARM machine will run just fine on your desktop."

How is the the reverse claim? It was the claim that was made from the very beginning. It was the original claim. I think you have your claims mixed up.

"does your desktop have to be an ARM machine?"

No. WinRT apps are CPU independent. People who have written a few lines of code in their lives would know this. Since you clearly didn't know this, we can start to infer things about your (lack of) knowledge regarding computers.

"Does it have to be running Windows 8?" Presumably.

"Do you have to be using the Metro interface on your desktop?" Yes.

"Do you have to have a touch-screen monitor on your desktop?" No.

"back when the claim was that legacy Windows apps would run on the desktop on ARM-based Windows tablets"

Who claimed this? Microsoft? Please show where Microsoft claimed this.

"What does your fine print say?"

What it has always said. WinRT apps will run on smartphones, tablets, and desktops. Anyone who claimed anything above and beyond that were guessing, much like anyone claiming that iPad 3 will have NFC and Retina are guessing. If iPad 3 ends up having neither of these, does that mean that Apple was lying to us all along?

So, in big font, that was available from the very beginning: the same app will run on your smartphone, tablet, and desktop / laptop.

If this upsets you, that's your problem.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
jeremychappell 10th Feb
@toddybottom_z Well it is both. Having that huge back catalog is fantastic, because you have a lot of apps. Having that huge back catalog is a pain, because it makes it really hard to change anything.

It is a problem, but a problem that any new OS would love to have.

The thing is everyone wants the impossible: make the best OS available, and keep everything working. Can't be done. So no matter, how good a job Microsoft do, someone will be unhappy. In general, I think the advantage of backward compatibility is overstated. But that's easy to say until it's the application you rely on that won't run.

Microsoft won't be able to please everyone. But, I don't think Windows 8 on ARM is going to hold a candle to Windows 8 on x86_64, that seems a lot easier to swallow.
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Looks like this is pure comsumer product
ZenithY 9th Feb
Not for enterprise.
I may just wait for Haswell - next generation of intel cpu.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
bobiroc 9th Feb
@ZenithY

Tablets by their very nature are designed to be a one user product. That being said I think Microsoft is in a good place to start bridging that gap though and offer enterprise better tools to manage Windows based tablets.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
Gisabun 9th Feb
@ZenithY : They said the same thing about the iPhone and then the iPad. Both have entered the market - even with their very weak enterprise support.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
kenosha77a 9th Feb
@Gisabun

Weak enterprise support? Just ask all the companies that recently dropped RIM devices for their enterprise business solutions and replaced them with iOS devices. Week enterprise support indeed!
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WOA or WHOA? If you care just get an x64 soc tablet. Theyll be out shortly
Johnny Vegas 9th Feb
and be vastly better devices.
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Wait! Keep waiting! Don't buy anything!
Robert Hahn 9th Feb
@Johnny Vegas
Have you been officially authorized to 'Osborne' the ARM-based Windows tablets? You are basically assuring people that if they wait instead of buying anything, Good Things will happen. Not to the OEMs who went ahead and made ARM-based Windows tablets.
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I'm going to wait
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@Robert Hahn
I see no need to buy an iPad 3 to replace my iPad 2 so I'm very happy to wait. I'm hoping these tablets end up being really good competition for the iPad. Don't you? If you hope they don't compete with the iPad, can I ask why? Why are you hoping for less competition?
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Squirrels and birds sharing a tree
Robert Hahn 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z
I'm not convinced that chasing Apple's tail is a good use of Microsoft's resources. It would seem like there's more money in enterprise software and services. But they can spend their dough any way they want, so they're welcome to try it.

I don't see any evidence that Apple cares much what Microsoft does from a competition standpoint. Macs sort of went on their merry way -- feature-wise and price-wise -- for 30 years without much influence from Microsoft's "competition." In phones, the competition was Blackberry and Motorola, not Microsoft. In tablets there really wasn't anyone Apple was (seriously) competing with.

Can Microsoft really make Apple sharpen their game? Not that I can see. I think Apple needs sharper competition than that.
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Sounds terrible
johnfenjackson@... 9th Feb
No Windows left in there at all!
As my uncle used to say "lager is beer with all the goodness taken out".

So, vendor lock in:
- OEM only
- no legacy applications (except for a few from M$)
- app. store products only
- 20-30% tax
- IE without extensibility
The only Windows-like things we'd recognise ... are a few consumerised applications.

I was hoping for the option to have a cheap ARM based PC for light work.
Looks like even a thin-client setup is out.

Small computer with Windows Only Absent.

Yuk.
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So don't buy it
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@johnfenjackson@...
Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly. There are plenty of choices out there. Microsoft is actually fighting a monopoly (Apple) so this might be a good thing for consumers who don't care about your list. When we look at the 10s of millions of iPads that Apple has sold, it is clear that there is an extremely large segment of the population that doesn't care about:
- vendor lock in
- OEM only
- no legacy applications (none at all)
- app. store products only
- 20-30% tax
- Safari without extensibility

I think Microsoft is taking the right approach here.

If it will make you happy, I do believe that there will be x86 Windows 8 tablets out there that will not run afoul of any concern you listed above. It will have its own disadvantages though. Choice is good.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
radleym 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z So how long has Microsoft had you as their official spokesman? I assume that's why you see the need to comment on every entry (often with a longer rant than the entry ypu're responding to).
You're no more amusing here than you were with your inane tablet opinions.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
jeremychappell 10th Feb
@toddybottom_z Right - so why call Window 8 on ARM "Windows"?! It really isn't. Their message would be a lot easier for consumers if they didn't call it that. Why not call it "Metro" and the x86 version "Windows Metro"? It'd be a lot easier for consumers to grasp.

If Apple had applied the same logic then the iPhone would have been the "MacPhone" and the iPad would have been the "MacPad", and MacBooks would have touch screens and the ability to run iOS apps (no matter how dumb that would be).

The problem is Microsoft's insistence on labelling everything "Windows", that's weird, because WP7 doesn't even have windows (with a small "w").

I know the "Windows" name carries a lot of weight - but doesn't everyone on the planet know it's "Microsoft Windows"? Wouldn't "Microsoft Metro" also have brand recognition?
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Who wants this?
Robert Hahn 9th Feb
I'm still trying to figure out what customer who might want a Windows tablet wouldn't be better served by a laptop or Ultrabook. When you get past all of Microsoft's hype, their whole message is "Windows is about business." That's why we're hearing about stripped-down versions of Word, Excel, and Powerpoint for the Windows tablets.

I still say that if what you really need is Word, Excel, and Powerpoint, then get the whole thing with a keyboard and mouse, too. Probably for less money. This whole 'tablet' strategy from Microsoft sounds like they are trying to shoehorn productivity apps into a device with no keyboard, not because anyone wants that but because productivity apps is how they roll. Without Word and Excel, Windows 8 and Metro on a tablet may as well be WebOS or Ice Cream Sandwich: some number of people will like it and buy it, but it's no strategy to punch Apple's lights out. Office sounds like something that might punch Apple's lights out, but on a device with no keyboard? That just doesn't sound realistic. Selling Ultrabooks with Windows 8 sounds realistic.
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I'll answer your question
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@Robert Hahn
"Who wants this?"

People who want to buy an app once and run that app on their smartphone, tablet, and desktop.

Who else wants it? As you said, people who want a version of Office far superior to what I can buy for iPad.

Who else wants it? People who want an iPad would do well to check out the competing Windows 8 tablets. Competition is good and this at least is competition that didn't limit themselves to creating a feature set that was the same as the iPad. This will be able to do everything the iPad can do plus a lot more. The big questions are:
1. Will these extra features be implemented well? Extra features that don't work well aren't good features.
2. Will this be able to overcome the barriers to entry that Apple has erected in the tablet market? That to me is the single biggest risk. Microsoft is going up against a vicious, ruthless, 8,000lb monopolist. That is tough for anyone to beat.

I'm looking forward to Windows 8 tablets. I will not be buying an iPad 3 to replace my iPad 2. I'll wait to see what MS and their OEMs can come out with.
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Show me
Robert Hahn 9th Feb
@toddybottom_z
You haven't really answered the question of why anyone would want those capabilities on a tablet. On a laptop or Ultrabook? Absolutely. They'll sell a bunch. But until I see it happen with my own eyes, I'm not going to believe that there is a huge market for Office on devices with no keyboards.

If I were a product manager at Microsoft I'd put it on there, too. Just to cover the bet. It's one of the best tricks Microsoft has. But will it work? On tablets? On this one, I'm from Missouri.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
kenosha77a 9th Feb
@Robert Hahn

I must offer a dissenting opinion regarding your views on Office apps designed for tablets and virtual keyboards.

As you know, I've enjoyed Apple's ecosystem for quite sometime now. And, for my summer golf league (in which I'm the official score keeper), I use MS Excel (for OS X) on my MacBook laptop as my primary record keeping software - among other things - for our league members.

However, I would love to just use my iPad in place of my MacBook but the A5 chip SoC was just not powerful enough to handle the task. (Numbers imported my Excel file just fine but it was so big the the program ran like it was under a software emulator. (A good analogy and almost true, if you think about it.)

However, even if MS doesn't port it's Office 15 ARM software to third party devices (and I wouldn't blame them if they didn't, unlike some pundits that blame Apple for not offering their software to non-Apple based platforms), I suspect that the new A6 SoC for the iPad 3 will be able to handle my Excel files just fine. (Hardware technology marches on.)

Of course, I mention all this because it should be obvious that a properly designed piece of software that takes into account multi-touch gestures and a virtual keyboard would prove beneficial to any tablet owner.

I have no doubt that MS will design a great tablet experience for their Office 15 ARM software suite. I know I would make that my main objective if I were in charge of Microsoft.
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WOA Is Really DOA : )
orandy 9th Feb
Microsoft is a bad joke. They can't make software that's not bloatware, and Intel can't make chips that don't need fans or that can last for more than a couple hours.
They're perfect for each other. A marriage made in hell and forever living in the past!
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Can you explain
toddybottom_z 9th Feb
@orandy
Windows on ARM is DOA because Microsoft is married to Intel?

Could you explain?
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Errr.....
Gisabun 9th Feb
Why on earth not have Outlook but include Excel? Clearly more would check their Email than work on a spreadsheet on a small device.
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
KevinN206 Updated - 9th Feb
@Gisabun
My guess is that this initial release of Windows 8 on ARM is for consumers. And I'm assuming that most consumers don't care, need, or want Outlook. All the email they need are web based. Plus, Windows 8 will also include a built-in mail app, but I don't know if it'll support Exchange or not. I think they will eventually port Outlook, but it'll be targeted toward businesses.
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dave95. Updated - 9th Feb
Windows Lite, Windows Embedded Compact or whatever it is. It certainly won't be the same "Windows 8" as some foolishly was expecting on ARM. Full Windows on ARM with full backwards compatibility is something that can only be dreamt-up by fanatics. Also WOA (Windows on ARM) will probably create lots of confusion in the market with the whole "Windows" branding; Windows branding indicates backwards compatibility to consumers. It will also cause confusion with the true Windows tablets that's coming out ( again), based on Intel chips. Let's hope they (Microsoft and OEMS) won't brand the ARM tablets as "Windows 8" tablets.
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vivekn@... 9th Feb
It also looks like Office will be bundled with WOA devices. Notice the word includes
>>WOA includes desktop versions of the new Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote. These new Office applications, codenamed ???Office 15???,...
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
imDhaval 10th Feb
so no Cracked softwares............. wht a anti-piracy move!!!! cool grin

n abt UI i think, if they want one UI to rule them all then metro needs more POLISHING for get better experiences with PHONES, TABLETS, NETBOOKS, UTRABOOKS, LAPTOPS & PC or even ahead for TV too...

the another but better option is make the UI different for all those device where "USER INPUT" is different.

1. on PC = MOUSE
2. on NETBOOKS,UTRABOOKS,LAPTOPS = TOUCH PAD (i m not taking abt tadays small touch pad but a new, well designed form of USER INPUT plz see http://10gui.com/)
3. on TABLETS = Touch (large screen)
4. on PHONES = Touch (small screen)

so basically we will need 4 different UI for these form factors (today we used same UI of software on laptop, a software which was designed for PC. we need to change it)
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RE: Microsoft gets specific about Windows on ARM, or Windows Lite
danbi 10th Feb
Hm... what do we have here.. an copycat of Apple's iOS, by Microsoft.

Where is the innovation? Why would one select this "WOA" thing instead of iOS? Because of the Microsoft name? The Microsoft great experience with mobile devices? Or Microsoft's great experience with power efficient programming?

I begin to wonder, when is really under the hood of this WOA/WinRT? An Linux derivative or Android clone perhaps? They would have named it Winddroid, instead.

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