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Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets

By | June 13, 2011, 12:16pm PDT

Summary: The decision to make Windows 8 work on all types of devices may work for Microsoft, but it will fail in the mobile space if it exposes the user to two areas of legacy Windows operation.

People are still unsure exactly what to make of Windows 8 and its ability to run on any type of device. No one is really sure what to make of the fact that tablet optimized apps will need to be written from scratch, but legacy Windows apps will still run, too. This be-all approach may work for Microsoft, but Windows 8 will fail in the mobile space if it exposes the user to two areas of legacy Windows operation not appropriate for mobile devices.

I like what I have seen of Windows 8 so far, even though the exposure has been brief. The touch-friendly interface looks like a good fit for tablets, and it looks refreshing. Of course, ‘refreshing’ was a common description of the Windows Phone 7 interface, and that hasn’t set any sales records since its release. Hopefully Windows 8 will have a better reception for tablets.

It is not clear how much of the legacy Windows core will be underneath the Windows 8 pretty stuff, but if the “works on everything” approach means that third party device drivers will be part of the equation I don’t think the tablet consumer will tolerate the mess that comes with that. Mobile device users expect the systems to work out of the box and don’t care how that happens. They don’t care that vendors of hardware components have to write device drivers to make Windows operate properly with all of the parts of the system. They don’t care that the device driver for each component has to interoperate with the device drivers for every other piece of the system.

No, tablet owners are going to expect the system to work as expected out of the box, and to keep working forever. No future system update can force a device driver to affect proper operation and thus require some nameless company to produce a driver update. Everything must work, and without fail or Windows 8 will be a big flop on tablets.

The Windows legacy may expose Windows 8 to the need for anti-malware protection, and if so this will not work on tablets. Microsoft must realize that mobile device owners will not tolerate regular software updates, even to update the anti-malware protection. Anything that exposes the owner to interrupted use of a tablet is going to be interpreted as a failure by Windows 8.

It is not clear if Microsoft is rewriting Windows 8 from scratch, but with so much legacy code invested it’s unlikely. Doing so for the mobile version of Windows would have been a good idea in my opinion to ensure the tablet user experience in no way resembles that of Windows past. Tablet owners expect to spend no time on maintenance, updates or dealing with unresponsive systems, even if it’s the fault of third parties. Tablets must work out of the box, and work as expected every time the user takes it out. Otherwise Windows 8 will not fare well in the tablet space.

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farrukh1483 16th Jun
Rumors have been circulating that we will see XBOX Live integrated with Windows 8. We already saw such integration in the Windows Phone 7. Although now Mike Delman, Microsoft?s Vice President of Global Marketing, has stated in an interview with The Seattle Times that XBOX Live will be integrated to Personal Computers. If XBOX Live were to be added to Windows 8, it would become a media and gaming platform that links across all devices.

Delman also stated that we will notice alot of similarities between Windows 8 and XBOX Live. Delman believes that people want to have the ability to navigate across all devices in a specific layout with seamless functionality. His words are hard not to believe, as we have recently seen that the layout of the Windows 8 Tablet is almost identical to that of XBOX Live.
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A couple of corrections
oldsysprog 13th Jun
First on device drivers assuming the vendor preinstalls the system why should the user care? The drivers will be there and if well written just work. Note if they are not well written I don't care whose OS it is things will be bad.

On anti-virus what makes you think there won't be anti-virus on Ipad etc? Already people are attacking popular mobile devices such as phones, so I can't imagine there won't be protection software of some kind. If you are working on the assumption that Windows is more vunerable, you forget that if this is a closed system like a tablet those vunerabilities can be closed.
@oldsysprog You are on the mark. Also, the device drivers could be a plus: printers, keyboards, digital cameras, etc. Many 'things' may not work, but MS has come a long way from the days when you had to go searching for individual device drivers.
@sprog: connectability apps for drivers might be a plus, as easier in windows - at a long term cost of MS losing their OS monopoly for PCs and maybe even networks.
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Tablet market is overrated
LBiege 13th Jun
Like that Netbook market it's a device people can do without.
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@LBiege

I 100% agree... AKA the iFad...
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Really? Tell that to the Consumer Market.
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 14th Jun
@LBiege... Apple has seemed to struck a gold mine. The consumer masses are wanting a light-wieght multi-media device with long battery life, that doesn't require a whole lot of fuss. Who wants to weight ten minutes for a netbook to boot, when an iPad or Xoom or Playbook are on instantly ready to be used, and can be used just about anywhere.

Yeah the tablets are dead on arrival.
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Re: future tablet security risks
kenosha77a 13th Jun
@oldsysprog As you stated, "if this is a closed system like a tablet those vulnerabilities can be closed".

Do you feel the future Win 8 tablet will have a better closed tablet environment than Apple's iPad ecosystem and it's app store setup?
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@kenosha7777
I think the Windows market will be better regulated but there will be issues as they've had plenty with the Droid Market and the Apple App Store. On the other hand MS knows security quite well and will implement such in their market.
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@oldsysprog
It also seems the author fails to realize a few things... Windows 8 is backwards compatible meaning most devices already have support and more will have support in the future. Also James must have missed how carriers are purposely trying to wink the WP7 platform. MS has done nothing wrong but Verizon and AT&T have been quite horrible without even setting up displays... If you never see it how would you even know it exists? Some others where in the middle of Android section so how could the user tell with a blank screen?

Windows 8 will work everywhere on everything do everything as Microsoft intends it to be and work slick and smooth just like WP7.

With the code re-write from Vista hasn't anyone noticed the sharp decline in vulnerabilities and viruses for Windows PCs running Vista/7? It will only get better with Windows 8 and if they decide to implement MSE in W8 then you have a pretty secure platform to work with that isn't bogged down.

The next article should be called... 2 ways James Kendrick can fail in general. (write blogs with a Harold Camping approach and go hug an Apple in a Green Trash Can)
It will fail just because they do not do their due diligence in considering "use case's for their devices" , people need a reason to want slate, and so far no one has produced anything that comes close to what Apple has done. It is not just the hardware of the device, it is the whole ecosystem around the device (Email/Calendar/Web surfing, eReader,Music,Photos,Movies,Apps) having in place support for these kind of "use cases" this partly why I think the Rim Playbook is not going to do well, no Email,Calendar support without a Blackberry phone.
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
timotim Updated - 13th Jun
@mrlinux
Have to been looking at the ecosystem MS has been putting together lately? SkyDrive, Windows Live, hardware accellerated IE10, Xbox Live, Live TV, Skype, Nokia etc will all be integrated into Windows 8.
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@mrlinux
Are you out of your tits? What /can't/ you do on a Windows tablet?

The MS Ecosystem, or "use case" as you put it, is essentially /everything/. I don't see a need for a tablet right now because tablets aren't PCs.

The killer app for a tablet is one that is a PC.
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@jdakula Exactly! Because Windows was hammered for sol long time by anti-trust case, they are afraid to present anything as a monopoly. Apple, on the other hand, is getting a free ride so it keep enjoying its "lock-in" ecosystem. It is actually an example that clearly shows that some people do not need "freedom", they are quite happy with a locked-in system that "just works".
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
techrepublic@... 13th Jun
@jdakula There are companies that make PC's in the slate format that are functional and have the storage of a pc and the battery life closer to Android/iOS devices than laptops did. I ordered a Motion Computing tablet via Allegiance Technology Partners (alltp.com), which for just shipping costs let me borrow a demo tablet to test drive for a few days. The batteries run for 7 hours and with a 160 GB drive and Win 7 is makes a great replacement for my 6 year old laptop.
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@jdakula: Right, because Windows tablets have done so well over the past ten years. Not! (How many of those have you owned, by the way, since you say a Windows tablet is what you want?) It's simply the case that the hardware to support a Windows tablet in the kind of sleek form factor the iPad and Android tablets have made popular (mostly the iPad so far) just doesn't exist. Low power chip designs are improving, and there are some Windows 8 tablets on the drawing boards that will use some of Intel's latest chip designs, but they have yet to demonstrate that they can do the job and still provide anything like acceptable performance and battery life. In other words, Windows 8 tablets are nothing but vaporware at the moment. Your faith that Microsoft can succeed now where they've failed so dramatically before is touching, but hardly justified by the facts. They are intent on building a tablet that can "do everything," which means they learned absolutely nothing from their mistakes. Instead, they are doubling down on failure.

Given the competition, it's not surprising that Microsoft has passed on the opportunity to develop a tablet version of Windows Phone 7. They are already so far behind the game that their chances of realizing any return at all on such an investment are slim at best. So naturally they want to try something else. But that something else is just another Windows PC - with a touch interface tablet UI bolted on top. It takes a great deal of faith of believe that Microsoft can do something so complex and do it well. And they say Apple product owners are fan boys.

In regard to security on a Windows tablet as compared to an iOS device, the iOS ecosystem is closed, a fact some people deplore, but that ecosystem provides unmatched stability and security. The only successful malware attacks have been on jailbroken iPhones that were no longer insulated from life outside the "garden." Windows 8 will certainly not operate in the same kind of "closed" environment. It will be vulnerable to the same kinds of exploits that plague Windows users now. Which means security software will probably be necessary. Whether provided by Microsoft or third party developers it can be expected to take an additional toll on Windows 8 tablet performance.

It is not certain, of course, that Windows 8 tablets will fail. It is true, however, that the odds against their success are long. Microsoft will have to execute at an unprecedented high level to make it work. While such execution is conceivable, it is improbable, given Microsoft's history.

Take just two recent examples. Windows Phone 7 has received high marks for originality. Yet it was two years behind the competition the day it was released. While it may catch up, the competition won't be standing still in the meantime. Witness the strong list of improvements iOS 5 is bringing to Apple's mobile platforms. Windows 7 has also been well received; yet patch Tuesdays still deliver plenty of fixes every week. Microsoft will be asking even more of Windows 8 that it does of Windows 7. Can they deliver? Perhaps. But it's a crap shoot.
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@jdakula That wasn't true 10 years ago. It won't magically become true now.

Claims for the inevitable success of Win8 on tablets ignores the utter failure of Win tablets to date.
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@thewhitedog

It's simply the case that the hardware to support a Windows tablet in the kind of sleek form factor the iPad and Android tablets have made popular (mostly the iPad so far) just doesn't exist.

The current crop of Win7 tablets is actually surprisingly close. A slimmed down OS combined with another hardware iteration could very well get it there. And if you look a few iterations down the road the hardware will be fast enough that the difference between Windows and a cell-phone style OS won't matter much.

Right, because Windows tablets have done so well over the past ten years. Not!

Because they weren't very compelling beyond certain niches. Apple has shown the way as far as touch-screen OSes go though, and the Metro take on that is actually pretty cool. Apple has also paved the way in consumers minds for tablet-like devices. Windows got tablets wrong for ten years, but W8 doesn't come from that lineage, it's a different sort of device entirely.


While the "computing appliance" model of the iPad has a valid niche, the ability to run full-power apps on a tablet would be a very powerful niche as well.
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@thewhitedog

I am definitely not a MS fanboy. I was there when MS used their Office application monopoly to crush the infinitely superior WordPerfect with the bastard product that was (still is) Word. I watched in vain as IE brought innovation on the Web to a crawl until Mozilla finally revitalized it with FireFox a decade later. I would be better classified as an MS hater, but I'll admit I'm in rehab lately. MS do seem to be (finally!) moving the PC space in positive directions again. Win7 is an absolute never-crashing rock and a joy to use. The Office Ribbon is a real revolution in usability (albeit one that took a helluva long time to get used to). And SkyDrive/Mesh absolutely crushes anything anyone else offers. Even WP7 is a very nicely done piece of software that might just be the best smarphone platform out there come Christmas time (we'll have to see how 7.5 "mango" delivers). iOS is not, as far as I can tell, still make meaningful advances.

I own only one tablet PC, a Lenovo, running Win7. It is fantastic. Win8 promises to be even better.

Will Win8 be a success? I say it is a priori yes. Even Vista, while a PR nightmare, made money hand over fist for MS. If you mean will *users* love it? That I don't know. But MS will sell gazillions of copies anyway. Since the specs are the same as for Win7, you can bet that the performance will be in the silicon by the time Win8 sees the light of day a year from now. My Lenovo already gets about 8 hours of solid use, and it has to bring along a keyboard and a DVD drive and a fan and one of those old-fashioned hard drives that actually spins.

As to my original post, is there a use-case for Windows tablets? That I think speaks for itself. The use case is /everything/: Nearly every application ever written, nearly every peripheral ever produced, and full support from nearly every IT department in the world.
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@mrlinux
One thing you forget, this is windows, so it will have iTunes. It will also have full access to all of googles services.
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
Gon_M_KO Updated - 13th Jun
@mrlinux actually I know 3 guys who bought 5 iPads in total mainly for facebook, twitter, newspapers, etc.

3 of those iPads are bought at the first place just for 5 yrs old kids to play games!
The Apple iPad ecosystem is good, but in terms of what you mentioned, Windows 8 won't fall short at all.
Only in one thing, Apps, which is vague as you may be referring to games apps, in which case yeah iPad has many games.
@mrlinux

I can't really bother to counter your argument, as I am having a difficult time deciphering your 'parlance', here... but I will respond to it logically, nonetheless. Consider the iPad vs. Mac paradigm, I imagine you can interpret the difference there (I'll get back to this). Now, you realize, if Microsoft [actually] accomplishes this fantastical goal (I'm not gonna bate my lungs over it, but I remain positive), that Windows 8: Tablet Edition and full-blown Windows 8 will amount to the same potentiality and performance, sans the clearly juxtaposed user experiences.

Now, we're talking about a tablet that almost marginalizes the desktop PC (I tense almost, I'm not so foolish as to believe the PC's going anywhere anytime soon, sci-fi'esque fantasy-level tech not forthwith). A truly portable and (properly) functioning PC in slick, tablet form and well-stylized UI would (could) generate maximum consumer appeal-- throw in a truly seamless Windows experience, and it has its business-related merits.

Back to the iPad/Mac remark, I'd say as far as competition goes, all Microsoft needs to do is fully demonstrate its potential and power ("Is it a desktop? Or is it a tablet? It's neither, because it's both."), prove it, market it, and the draw is simple, when excluding the app ecosystems: iOS (mobile) would be to Windows 8 as a (well-engineered) toy locomotive is to the F40PH. If Microsoft can fully actualize this concept, the only thing that would fail it is a poor marketing initiative and poor developer infrastructure. I can understand why many look at it as platform fratricide/monopoly cannibalism on Microsoft's part.
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@thewhitedog Nicely done.
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"No, tablet owners are going to expect the system to work as expected out of the box, and to keep working forever. No future system update can force a device driver to affect proper operation and thus require some nameless company to produce a driver update. Everything must work, and without fail or Windows 8 will be a big flop on tablets."

That's a big "if" there. Microsoft is depending on hardware OEMs to figure that part out compared with iOS, which relies solely on Apple for that part. (I don't mention Android, as Android on tablets has been lackluster to say the least.)

But the one thing Windows tablets do have going for them at the moment is Flash. Yes, Flash, that one thing the web still relies on that everyone hates. The one reason a buddy of mine gave up her Android based tablet.

However, to play Devil's Advocate, if all people ever do with tablets is "quick and dirty" work, they should be fine. Windows has the "Immersive Browser", an e-mail client, calendar, and a store for other touch based apps. I have a feeling that if anyone is going to be using "legacy" crap on tablets, it'll be businesses. They're the ones that have the most trouble preparing for the future.
@Cylon Centurion
We do know that MS has a first party hardware maker in Nokia, so their tablets at least should be up to the challenge.
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@Cylon Centurion

Finally, someone sensible! How can we live without FLASH!

I'd go on about Flash's virtues, but I have an appointment to get an 8-track tape player installed in my Studebaker.
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
LoverockDavidson 13th Jun
Don't worry, it won't fail. Microsoft Windows 8 has redesigned operating systems forever. Your concerns are unfounded.
looks like a nail. Let's hit it.
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
timotim Updated - 13th Jun
For tablets users, I think what MS showed thus far proves that they have all the different case types in mind. If your a typical iPad-like consumer, Windows 8 will give you a very touch friendly UI thats very personal to its user. As a iPad competitor, it looks to go above and beyond its capability and function with multi-windows multi tasking and the ability to play any and all online and offline plug-ins and file formats. Their will also be tons more hardware diversity with different screen sizes and resolutions. All the things the normal iPad-like user would do on a tablet (email, media, web, app store etc) will be present.

Where Windows 8 sets itself apart from the iPad-like devices is in its diversity. When you couple a Windows 8 tablet with a transformer or wireless mouse and keyboard than it becomes something much more than an iPad can hope to be. Instead of buying multiple devices (a laptop/netbook and tablet), one good tablet will be all you NEED.

You're making too many assumptions right now. We mobile users are already are use to updating apps...we constantly do it...its natural and effortless. The key for MS would be presenting updates in Windows 8 much like a smartphones does it today. security protection, drivers, system updates etc should be no different than updating ESPN, Xbox Live and SuperTube apps on WP7. Also, remember that for anyone who's not interested in legacy programs...they never need to see legacy Windows. That would just be extra functionality that they didn't know was possible.
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RE: Two ways Windows 8 can fail in tablets
spaulagain Updated - 14th Jun
@timotim

"Where Windows 8 sets itself apart from the iPad-like devices is in its diversity. When you couple a Windows 8 tablet with a transformer or wireless mouse and keyboard than it becomes something much more than an iPad can hope to be. Instead of buying multiple devices (a laptop/netbook and tablet), one good tablet will be all you NEED."

OMG, Finally, someone else understands this. I can't believe how many people are so short sighted and blatantly ignore the obvious market options this direction will open.

What MS is doing is allowing the end user to decide how many and/or what devices they need. They can have as many or as few devices as they want, but all will carry the same UI language, file access, and app access. How is that NOT a good thing?!?!

For all the people counting numbers (Android/Apple), get your head out of the sand. The mobile market (PC/Tablet?Phone) is still very much in the early stages. Once Microsoft has their entire eco-system in play... Xbox, Win8, WP7/8, SkyDrive, Skype, Office, and everything else they "own." It will be hard for many to resist the cross platform integration of all their products.

For the first time ever, Microsoft will have the most unified, clean, and seamless product line across all platforms.
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Get here too late
Robert Hahn Updated - 13th Jun
Another way Windows 8 can fail is if it takes too long to arrive.

Those of us who have taken "support" calls from friends or relatives know that most people cannot distinguish Windows from Excel. If you ask them what web browser they are using, they either don't know or they say, "the computer."

It is that effect, not challenged for 20-odd years, that Microsoft is relying on to save its bacon. If a web browser didn't look like IE, or had different buttons in different places, it sucked. If the email client didn't look and operate exactly like Outlook, it sucked. For most people, Windows and Office were the computer, and a computer that didn't work like that was no good.

Smartphones have started to change that. People have learned that a web browser need not be exactly like IE to work. Email clients can be different from Outlook without being bad.

Microsoft is racing against the fact that every day, another 400,000 people activate an Android phone and a bunch more (haven't seen the statistic) activate an iPhone. All those people get cured of their "Windows is the computer" myopia pretty quickly. For the first time, they can't just demand the Windows interface. They can't even get it from Microsoft. By the time a week is up, they've figured out that the whole thing is about as difficult as switching from a Toyota to a Nissan.

Anyone who thinks this isn't going to blow back onto laptops and desktops is kidding themselves. Google is betting on it with Chromebooks: no Windows, but all the usual toys... they're just a little different. Unlike the previous twenty years however, that is no longer a big deal.

With the wool being pulled off 400,000-plus pairs of eyes per day, Microsoft had better hurry.
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@Robert Hahn

Too late? LMFAO!!!!

The tablet market is in its infant stages. Hell, Android can't even get off their feet in the tablet market. Within the next year, Microsoft will have a unified eco-system that will be miles above what their competition is offering. New customers will see the obvious advantages to choose the platform that offers them the most. And existing "adapters" of current platforms are not "fixed" into that by any means.

You are right, this is going to blow back onto laptops and desktops. That is EXACTLY why Microsoft is doing what they are with Win8.

The UI for Windows8 and the others is farrr more intuitive and flows much more organically than anything Microsoft has ever done. It won't take long for people to adapt, and then WANT it.
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Linux Geek Updated - 14th Jun
@Linux Geek
Android compete with Windows...LOL!
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If MS adopts ...
P. Douglas Updated - 13th Jun
If MS adopts ...

... a similar strategy compared to WP7 Mango, where multitasking is regulated, rather than free-for-all as on Android, it can have tight control of performance, and even pull off anti-malware support. In fact, it appears MS is moving to having tightly regulated Windows 8 machines - similar to tightly regulated WP7 phones - as evidenced by Acer's complaints over Windows 7 slates? increasingly tight regulations.

I think Windows 8 will be interesting on slates / tablets. What I'd like to see however, is how it re-invigorates Windows "productivity app" development around touch. I would love to see Windows 8 desktops driving large touch screens, which bring revolutionary changes to simple to complex productivity apps. I would love to see virtual sophisticated, but easy-to-use telephone / communication apps. I would love to see if the designers of the Star Trek Next Generation sets were right, when they suggested that touch controls and interactions are the future - rather than physical keyboards and knobs.

It is my opinion that Apple is doing well because of its tight control over user experience, and its large app selection. Android is not so good in these areas. MS can edge out Apple and Google, by leveraging the current demand for vanilla Windows 7 in Windows 8, while pushing developers to produce innovative touch based apps that light up users' Windows 8 machines - eventually making Windows 8 machines have tight performance controls, and a large app selection, similar to Apple.
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@P. Douglas

I concur!
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This is Windows, Microsoft won't let this fail. They have enough resources and services to make very complelling reasons for us to want Windows on our devices. As you can see in the Android world, having Malware protection might be a selling point in a few years. As a Windows 7 tablet user, I welcome the changes I'm seeing so far and as a Windows Developer, I'm curious to see what they will show us in September @ the BUILD conference.
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"Tablet owners expect to spend no time on maintenance, updates or dealing with unresponsive systems, even if it?s the fault of third parties."

Do they? My experience is that they are downloading/updating all the time. What are we told about Apple and Google? How many apps they have got. How do people get these apps, games etc? They actively seek them out and download them, the apps themselves often notifying about updates, and owner action required. The coming generation of tablets (with Win8) are, if MS gets it right, going to be vastly more capable than the current crop and will likely replace the conventional pc in many homes. Under those circumstances might it not be that the customer (being used to what he/she has to do with their current pc) will accept a greater degree of "input" from them being required? It is after all only the *current* generation of tablets that are largely passive consumption devices. The moment the tablet becomes something the customer can genuinely do work on they are likely to have a similar attitude to it as they have to their (current) pc.
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@FrederickLeeson
They won't "replace" the conventional PC because they will *be* the conventional PC, insofar as PC=Windows. Laptops with touchscreens (a.k.a. tablets) will ship alongside slates (that is, touchscreens without keyboards), and even desktop PCs will more and more often come with touchscreens. This is just an evolution. This is why it will be fantastically successful almost no matter what. Windows sells. That's the beauty of a monopoly.
I can't see myself sitting down in front on one to develop programs, type proposals, etc. Sure, they're a nice-to-have for folks on the go for social apps, e-mail, maps, other fun stuff, but for corporate users requiring the power and ergonomic comfort of a desktop or workstation environment, I cannot see the use of tablets. Heck, now that Angry Birds is available for Windows PCs, why is a tablet needed? I would have never predicted the tablets would do so well in a recessive economy but ....
@DKiewra
An iPad no, but a Windows 8 tablet that can quickly pull up full Office 2010 documents and presentations along with pairing a wireless mouse and keyboard is.
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@DKiewra

Tablets give the user the opportunity to take with them access to all their files, contacts, games, email, etc. Just like a laptop. A tablet is simply the advancement of the laptop.

The iPad is great for geek users, and people who are gadget hungry. But it lacks some of the things I mentioned above, and A LOT more. Therefore, it is selling itself short in the market.

Windows 8 will expand that market to people who at one point were using laptops. Now they can have a touch UI to work with on the fly, but then they can plug in a keyboard/mouse if they need to do more extensive work on documents, etc.
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if users are not expecting to have to do updates, then they shoul dhave their computer privileges taken away. NO ONE can write the perfect operating system that cannot be attacked. Get used to it. That means there has to be updates. Quit living in the fantasy land.
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"mobile device owners will not tolerate regular software updates"

Google begs to differ, Chrome OS is nothing but a constant update of the Chrome browser, without your knowlege or permission. And web-based "apps" like Google Docs are nothing but a constant update of the app -- updates are silent and transparent as you change which files you serve to the user's browser.

That said, I think what you really mean to say is that updates are okay as long as they are seamless. (Which of course the enterprise will beg to differ.)

P.S. I lost some respect when I came across this line: "It is not clear if Microsoft is rewriting Windows 8 from scratch" for two reasons: 1) it is obviously clear that it is not rewritten from "scratch", 2) implying that rewriting from scratch is a "good thing". No one ever rewrites from scratch: iOS is based on full-fledged Mac OS X, which is based on code from NEXT, BSD, etc. Everything but the simplest 1.0 products are always based off a previous version, throughout the software industry and most other industries as well.
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so..basically you are saying that tablet buyers are too dumb to use the devices.
while the "too dumb" market has made apple into a $300 billion company, outside the u.s.a. "too dumb" is not socially advantageous.
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I think you're 180 degrees off the mark. The reason Windows 8 will succeed, and that Windows Phone 7 has failed so far, is backward compatibility. Phone 7 leaves users of Windows Mobile 6.5 under the bus. I look forward to trying Windows 8, but have not yet, and may not, go with Phone 7.
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The driver issue, to the degree it exists, should not be noticeable to the average user. For the next few years the tech will improve so quickly that the turnover of a device will be 1-2 years. Manufacturers are going to limited. The user cannot change the internals. The oses are not going to be sold directly to the user.

Updates might present an issue. Did I just hear that Johnny Quest drama stinger?

The other point about av? Microsoft has 15 months, if the mobile version ships with the desktop version, to get app sandboxing cooked in, if it is not already there. Because the carriers are cut out from the tablet space (they are, we hope!), app sales can be done through Microsoft and they can vet what becomes available. I don't think Microsoft will go fat binary in order to allow the desktop version to just run on the tablet. Developers will have to adapt their software to sell mobile.

But these things you mention are end-user issues, and though ultimately the end-user drives demand, it's the OEMs who have to decide to bring a product to market, so the user gets an experience. This is going to be a decision based on weighing Microsoft's ability to generate demand - the WP7Phone has not been impressive in this regard - and the net difference in costs between the WP8Mobile license costs and what Google charges for technical assistance plus what Microsoft extracts in the way of patent licensing for non-Microsoft oses.

Off the top of my head, $20 difference per unit, no WM8 devices. $10 per unit, some devices to see if Microsoft's marketing can offset that reduction to margin with volume improvements. Cheaper than Google's os, oodles of WM8 devices with real push from the OEMs to sell them. The values I chose were for discussion purposes only, but there are numeric ranges the OEMs have developed which will guide their response to WM8. When it's available.
@DannyO_0x98

Stating an opinion that smartphone technology induces rapid consumer turnover rates which will be mirrored in the tablet ecosystem might be too simplistic. It might be true that advances in tech might allow rapid turnover rates but have you forgotten the price differences between the two products? Or how one class of products have largely been subsidized thru the Telcoms while tablets so far have not.

I believe tablets might exhibit a greater productivity life cycle than the average smartphones have shown.

But to be fair to your opinion, I did upgrade my iPad 1 when the much improved iPad 2 model was introduced a year later.
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All of the above arguments apply to Android! Malware, fragmentation, drivers etc.. Windows Phone already is besting Android in those areas!
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Yawn
MSFTWorshipper 13th Jun
Let me know when the first 10 million Windows 8 Tablets are sold.
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If you keep writing this same retort, I will remember it by hard. Some other revelations: The Easter Bunny comes in April! The tooth fairy shows up when you lose a teeth! and thhhe shocker, Old age shows up when we get old! Now I'm fully rounded! Sighhhhh!!!
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Windows 8
farrukh1483 16th Jun
Rumors have been circulating that we will see XBOX Live integrated with Windows 8. We already saw such integration in the Windows Phone 7. Although now Mike Delman, Microsoft?s Vice President of Global Marketing, has stated in an interview with The Seattle Times that XBOX Live will be integrated to Personal Computers. If XBOX Live were to be added to Windows 8, it would become a media and gaming platform that links across all devices.

Delman also stated that we will notice alot of similarities between Windows 8 and XBOX Live. Delman believes that people want to have the ability to navigate across all devices in a specific layout with seamless functionality. His words are hard not to believe, as we have recently seen that the layout of the Windows 8 Tablet is almost identical to that of XBOX Live.

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